Cornell football 2023

Trotsky

ugarte
harvard and yale do not have a huge recruiting advantage for "the game," they have a huge recruiting advantage because they are harvard and yale.

Just have Cornell play Columbia at Madison Square Garden.

Great. Penn is undefeated there, to boot.

wasnt one of the madison square garden's outside anyway?

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

Lost to Dartmouth in 1971 on national television. Dartmouth's loss was to Columbia.

Al DeFlorio

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

Lost to Dartmouth in 1971 on national television.

On the Hill Street Blues

All I am saying is from a Cornell football fan perspective and logistics with so many of our wonderful alumni living in the NYC metro area, we need to try something different. I have been attending the Cornell vs. Columbia game in NYC over the past few years (each of the every other year) and it's a fun game with a pretty good Cornell crowd. It really has the atmosphere of a home game for Cornell, especially given we have two campuses in the Big Apple.

Would you rather attend this game in Ithaca or NYC? I don't even live in NYC but I think the game is a lot more fun in the city and it's a great venue for Big Red football fans.

Local Motion
All I am saying is from a Cornell football fan perspective and logistics with so many of our wonderful alumni living in the NYC metro area, we need to try something different. I have been attending the Cornell vs. Columbia game in NYC over the past few years (each of the every other year) and it's a fun game with a pretty good Cornell crowd. It really has the atmosphere of a home game for Cornell, especially given we have two campuses in the Big Apple.

Would you rather attend this game in Ithaca or NYC? I don't even live in NYC but I think the game is a lot more fun in the city and it's a great venue for Big Red football fans.

Hey, Ithaca and Cortland State have drawn 40k+ twice in NYC

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Yes down 17-0 at halftime. Per Local Motion's idea I would agree that Cornell-Columbia is an excellent opportunity for an alumni/student engagement and ideally if they got Ivy League approval to play the game on same day as Red Hot hockey every 4 years or so.

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

That’s some upside down table in 1971. Cornell and Dartmouth first, Columbia !?! Third. Times change

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there’s more alumni there and it’s 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.

RichH

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there’s more alumni there and it’s 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.

Well, we should just build a domed stadium near Cornell Tech and play there permanently, right?

RichH

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there’s more alumni there and it’s 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.

By this reasoning, the logical place for our games is Taipei.

Scersk '97

RichH

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there’s more alumni there and it’s 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.

Well, we should just build a domed stadium near Cornell Tech and play there permanently, right?

Hey, with a domed stadium in NYC, maybe those two NJ teams that still keep NY in their names would return.

Nice punt.

Cornell's penalties show an undisciplined and unprepared team.

Embarrassing- This is just awful, 30 yds on self inflicted penalties and bad scheming. Bucknell is a terrible team, Archer should just resign, along with the entire staff. These kids deserve better as do the alumni.

Whoever calls our plays is simply a dumb fuck.

Terrible call on 4th down. Everyone in the stadium knows Wang is going to keep it- what do they do, they run him into coverage! Oh well, another year of being the laughing stock of the league.

This looks like a bad high school team. How on earth did we beat Yale?

Still a dumb fuck.

The camera work is definitely avant-garde.

It is not important that you see the ball go through the goal posts. It is only important that you experience the frisson of the artificial turf.

Yup- terrible play calling when they needed 7!

Men's soccer at 4.

Women's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!

dbilmes
Women's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!

Thanks. One loss to an 0-4 team. Now staring at another to a 1-4 team. Both at home.

dbilmes
Women's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!

Now 1-1 after PSU scores on Cornell's second first period major penalty.

Cornell will be lucky to win another game this season. If the new AD doesn't fire Archer, then just drop the sport.

Al DeFlorio
Men's soccer at 4.

up 2-0 early

ugarte

Al DeFlorio
Men's soccer at 4.

up 2-0 early

Now 3-0

Cornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.

RichH

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

billhoward
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.

IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College	        Titles* Last 
Dartmouth	20	2021
Penn	        18	2016
Harvard	        17	2015
Yale	        17	2022
Princeton	13	2021
Brown	         4	2008
Cornell	         3	1990
Columbia	 1	1961
* Includes ties

I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?

(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)

We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.

We lost to Dartmouth in 1971, tragically.

Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.

They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there’s more alumni there and it’s 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.

So I knew that Cornell-Penn football used to be played in Philly on Thanksgiving every year, but [en.wikipedia.org] tells me that the first time it was ever played in Ithaca was 1964. I still have fond memories of the 1989 Thanksgiving game at Franklin Field in the snow, which was one of the two Ivy wins in Jack Fouts's unfortunate post-Maxie season.

wolcoma
Cornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.

Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.

Ken711

wolcoma
Cornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.

Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.

In fact, he never even experienced a winning season as a player, 2001 through 2004.

As an undergrad and grad student, I never missed a home game. While living in Syracuse, I attended several games each year. Even living in Cleveland, I went to one game annually. Now, living in Rochester, I couldn’t bring myself to watch yesterday on ESPN+. I’m learning to appreciate soccer. Alex Harris is amazing.

George64

Ken711

wolcoma
Cornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.

Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.

In fact, he never even experienced a winning season as a player, 2001 through 2004.

As an undergrad and grad student, I never missed a home game. While living in Syracuse, I attended several games each year. Even living in Cleveland, I went to one game annually. Now, living in Rochester, I couldn’t bring myself to watch yesterday on ESPN+. I’m learning to appreciate soccer. Alex Harris is amazing.

This has to be some kind of NCAA record for experiencing the most consecutive non-winning seasons as a player and coach.

Ken711
Cornell will be lucky to win another game this season. If the new AD doesn't fire Archer, then just drop the sport.

And use the money we save for an indoor facility for lacrosse and soccer.

Who'd have thought Bill Belichick might be gone from the coaching ranks before a coach near to us? Since the start of the season, one oddsmaking site has said the odds the coach of the 1-5 Patriots being the first ousted has moved up from 50/1 to 20/1.

First Head Coach Fired
Matt Eberflus                +100
Ron Rivera                   +500
Josh McDaniels               +800
Brandon Staley               +900
Mike Vrabel                  +900
Kevin O'Connell             +1400
Bill Belichick              +2000
Arthur Smith                +2500
Brian Daboll                +3300
Dennis Allen                +3300
Sean Payton                 +3300
Kevin Stefanski             +5000
Todd Bowles                 +5000

Source: sportsbetting dot ag (Antigua and Barbuda)

Patriots QB Mac Jones is now listed as the first healthy QB likely to be the next one benched.

Halfway through the season, with each team having played five games, there are two bookends, Harvard at 2-0 and Columbia at 0-2, and everyone else -- Brown, Cornell, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn and Princeton -- is at 1-1.

I like to think we can beat Brown Saturday and get the season turned around. That's what I like to think. Three of our last five games are at home.

[www.gocomics.com]

David Harding
[www.gocomics.com]

Hey, think happy thoughts about field house, willya?

To beat Brown Cornell players have to cease with the penalties-especially the personal fouls. Run game has to do better-lately Cornell has had too many 3rd and Longs and to keep Brown's potent pass offense off the field.

We're in the second half of the season and only now does Cornell have a home Ivy League game: 1 pm Saturday versus the Brown Bears. Both teams 1-1. In fact, everyone in the Ivies is 1-1 except Harvard at 2-0 (5-0 overall) and Columbia at 0-2. Brown's win was a miracle 28-27 win over Princeton after being down by 14 with 12 to play, then tying in the final minute and winning in OT by blocking a Princeton PAT.

Cornell PR pregame notes: [cornellbigred.com]

Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.

Ken711
Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.

Our running back usage never ceases to amaze

scoop85

Ken711
Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.

Our running back usage never ceases to amaze

otoh incredible cutback by pope for a 7 yard td and cornell is up 14-0 early in the second quarter. the 25 yard sideline pass to laboy that set it up was a solid throw and a great toe-tap.

double post somehow?

scoop85

Ken711
Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.

Our running back usage never ceases to amaze

Carothers hurt again? Nice Pope cut on TD but too small for primary running back.

Who are these guys.

Pick inside the Brown 20 for Kidd with 1:30ish left in the first half. Cornell dominating 17-0.

ugarte
Pick inside the Brown 20 for Kidd with 1:30ish left in the first half. Cornell dominating 17-0.

FG as the clock expires. 20-0 at the half.

mike1960
Who are these guys.

5 year extension

26-0. Wait, what?

Trotsky
26-0. Wait, what?

Now 33. Pick 6.

Throwing over the middle 10-20 yards downfield. New development.

Why do we keep running a back from nine yards behind the line? Does it ever work?

I think the answer to any question about this team that starts "Why?" can be answered by "Because Archer is a lousy coach."

36-14 win that Cornell fans still make sound like the worst day of their lives.

And Princeton just scored to take a 21-14 lead on Harvard with just over a minute left.

ugarte
36-14 win that Cornell fans still make sound like the worst day of their lives.

Indeed! Princeton just went up by 7 against Harvard very late. Likely logjam at 2-1 in the standings.

Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

I think we all know that with Cornell football 0-4 is always a possibility.

billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

Ken711

billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.

Ken711

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.

Finishing 1-3 would result in a 4-6 season, not 5-5. That’s where the confusion is coming from.

BearLover

Ken711

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.

Finishing 1-3 would result in a 4-6 season, not 5-5. That’s where the confusion is coming from.

Correct. It's the Ivy League record that matters in any case! It's hard to believe but Archer has had a losing Ivy record in each of his past 9 seasons. Ending with another losing record should they finish 1-3, should be the end of his time here.

Ken711

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billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.

You highlighted Bill's "a 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell" and said that would be "far from a decent year" because it would mean a 3-4 Ivy record. To get to 5-5 from 3-3 today, Bill's "decent year" that you disparaged, would mean a 4-3 Ivy season.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

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billhoward
Five teams are 2-1, including <whew> Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.

Team          Ivy    Overall
Princeton     2-1    3-3
Dartmouth     2-1    3-3
Harvard       2-1    5-1
Penn          2-1    5-1
Cornell       2-1    3-3
Brown         1-2    3-3
Yale          1-2    3-3
Columbia      0-3    2-4

Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.

That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,

No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.

How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.

You highlighted Bill's "a 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell" and said that would be "far from a decent year" because it would mean a 3-4 Ivy record. To get to 5-5 from 3-3 today, Bill's "decent year" that you disparaged, would mean a 4-3 Ivy season.

They are 3-3 now with a nice win over Brown. In my opinion, they need to beat Princeton Saturday or a 1-3 finish is a very real possibility. Beating Penn and Dartmouth away would be a tough task the way they are playing recently. Cornell should beat Columbia at home to end the season. A 4-6 overall record and a 3-4 Ivy record should end Archer's tenure. What more would the new AD have to see.

The last time Cornell had a winning record in the Ivies was 2005.

In the 41 seasons since my Freshman year, 1981 - 2002, they have had 12 winning seasons, one 3-3-1 season, and 28 losing seasons including the last 16.

Note that in the 15 seasons from 1986 - 2000, they had 10 winning seasons. 5 of which were 5-2 or better. For that period, they were... cromulent.

my guess is that better coach probably costs more money.. Does it also bring in more money?

Are Ivy league recruits really choosing between schools based on the coach? Such a vanishingly small number go on to the pros, I would think the school, the strength of their major, and even the location were far more decisive in their choice.

Does football have a classic major, the way hockey has (or used to have) Ag Ec and Hotel Management?

Wave of Cornell football players announce transfer intentions Eleven seniors scheduled to graduate in the spring still have a year of NCAA eligibility due to the 2020 season being canceled and are hoping to play one more year somewhere outside the Ivy League. Cornell won't be any weaker than the team would be if those players just found jobs after graduation.

Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?

Al DeFlorio
Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?

As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.

ugarte

Al DeFlorio
Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?

As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.

Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.

ugarte

ugarte

Al DeFlorio
Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?

As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.

Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.

sharp coaching by brown. burned a bunch of time on the punt running along the back line of the end zone before stepping out for a safety. Still have a four point lead and get a more advantageous kickoff from the 20 instead of a punt from the end zone... Penn has 33 seconds to go 60 yards with no timeouts.

ugarte

ugarte

ugarte

Al DeFlorio
Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?

As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.

Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.

sharp coaching by brown. burned a bunch of time on the punt running along the back line of the end zone before stepping out for a safety. Still have a four point lead and get a more advantageous kickoff from the 20 instead of a punt from the end zone... Penn has 33 seconds to go 60 yards with no timeouts.

11 yard pass... incomplete... incomplete 19 yard pass that hit their best receiver in the hands ... 14 seconds left Brown timeout... sack! Penn can't stop the clock and Brown wins.

Good lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.

ugarte
Good lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.

Technically it was only a 77yd TD pass.

Ken711

ugarte
Good lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.

Technically it was only a 77yd TD pass.

At least they responded with a quick drive into the red zone to cut it to 7-3 at the beginning of Q2.

Princeton must be running really confusing patterns because for the second time they had a completely unguarded receiver with room to run, picked up ~30, and they're approaching the red zone again.

Ran off the safety and the underneath route was way way open.

Cornell's pass defense is atrocious.

Absolutely brilliant defensive scheme on 3rd and 10 outside of field goal range with very little left in the half. Let's delay blitz! Because, you know, we really need a sack… to knock them… out of…

Ken711
Cornell's pass defense is atrocious.

Completely deflating to give that up with 8 seconds left in the half.

4-6 overall record and 3-4 in the Ivy League is the best Cornell can hope for, and that should get Archer fired.

Hey I know Archer's record isn't stellar but let's not forget that the players that have to execute. Two blown coverages lead to touchdowns yesterday. Why do we ablways blame the coaches.

Not “stellar” is a bit of understatement, no?

rss77
Why do we always blame the coaches.

Because they recruit and train the players?

Trotsky

rss77
Why do we always blame the coaches.

Because they recruit and train the players?

I always find this discussion kind of funny. It comes up all the time. Phil Jackson not a great coach because he had MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq. Buck Showalter shouldn’t have been fired because the players underperformed. But it’s the coach who teaches and trains the players (and in college, recruits them as well), and who devises schemes for his players to succeed. It’s really impossible to separate player performance from coaching because it’s the coach’s duty to get his players to succeed.

Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Ken711
Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

BearLover
Buck Showalter shouldn’t have been fired because the players underperformed.

I buy this one, because Buck didn't decide to raid Assisted Living for our pitching staff. He was IMO the very least of our many problems and I approved of the way he was bringing the babies along.

But he was also one year out from 101 wins, not on a decade-long sub-500 streak. Archer certainly deserved to take the train.

mike1960

Ken711
Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

Look at the bright side. If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.

marty

mike1960

Ken711
Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage

Yikes.

Look at the bright side. If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.

LOL. And that's how the Cornell athletic PR department would spin it. Seriously, there is not an active coach in all of FCS college football that has had such a long run of losing seasons. Nicki Moore needs to inject some life into the football program and finally let Archer go.

Seems to me no matter Archer's record, the PR angle of an unexpected victory against a favored opponent is what keeps him around. Or perhaps it's the path of least resistence for a program with such a low bar for supposed success. In either case, I certainly feel led to believe one "upset" and maybe three or four other wins en route to "beating" the mark set by a preseason poll that perennially buries Cornell is all that is expected of Archer and a program whose ceiling is five wins under a guy who's never seen anything more. I've enjoyed watching Wang et al. make some exciting plays this year towards a couple of suprising wins. But that's Ivy League football -- Cornell beats Brown beats Princeton beats Harvard beats Cornell. Go figure. Leads me to believe Big Red football's not as far off the mark as the records suggest, but it will take an expectations level-set. And that starts with cutting Archer loose and not treating football as an obligatory historical vestige of League membership. Just the modest 2c of an alumnus who enjoys a crisp fall afternoon at the Crescent as much as anyone.

I was not at the Princeton game on Saturday as we had another family commitment. However, I have a good friend who was an All-Ivy League player at Princeton and he volunteers helping local student-athletes in the Chicago area who want to study and play Ivy League sports. His son played lacrosse at Princeton, although very short lived due to two ACL injuries in a row. Meanwhile his daughter ran track at Cornell and loved it. After Princeton beat Cornell I asked him what he thinks of our football program and here's his answers.

1. The word is out your coaching staff has had an ongoing losing record and tough to convince top recruits to play at Cornell given the results over the past ten plus years.
2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
3. Princeton's visiting locker-room at Schoellkopf is terrible which gives other Ivy coaches ammunition not to send players to Cornell.
4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies. His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.


Anyway that is his summation for whatever it's worth. Go Big Red!

Local Motion
4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies. His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.

Had a friend close to the program once tell me that this was the reason many recruits who were supposedly otherwise interested ended up at HYP. I expect the rationale extends beyond admissions and financial aid in actuality, but it sure as hell wouldn't help.

There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

upprdeck
There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..

A lot of neglect can happen in 25 years is a conclusion one can make.