Cornell lacrosse 2023

cornell fav by 8 was an interesting line i saw this week.

I'd call that a good start. 3-0 in about a minute.

upprdeck
cornell fav by 8 was an interesting line i saw this week.

1:04 in and Cornell is up 3-0 so if you can still get money on the over...

Looks like no Long again. Don't hate it if it increases his chances of playing during the stretch run

No Michael Long on attack, he's "game to game." Nice to see him next week, but we want him healthy in May and if he can come back in April, great.

Opened with 6 before Dartmouth got on the board. No two-goal streaks for Green. Cornell scores off of a kind of broken play when the D goalie made the save but left a rebound on the ground. 7-1. ~6 minutes left in Q1.

wow soft goal on a desperation sharp angle fling from blake with 1 second left on the shot clock. 8-1.

dartmouth used a timeout 1:04 into the game, changed goalies after blake's goal with ~4:30 left in Q1.

We'll score even when it's 7 on 6.

no change. it's 9-1 and it's crazy how patient cornell is being. they are working for open shots and always finding them. plus winning almost every faceoff.

grab a stick and you might be able to play in Q4. 10-1, 2:44 left in Q1 and Dartmouth took a second timeout.

Meanwhile, Penn up 5-1 on Yale, and you have to think there's a real chance Yale doesn't even make the ILT

What is Mikey Long's injury? Does anyone know?

Cornell 10, Dartmouth 2 at the end of the first quarter. Domination of the faceoff game.

I think Cornell tries not to roll past 20 goals as a matter of fair play. How do you hold this offense back? Probably play everybody. Use the entire 80 seconds of the shot clock.

flatter 2nd period for sure.. not as patient on offense.. some bad passing. Dart playing a bit better as well.

upprdeck
flatter 2nd period for sure.. not as patient on offense.. some bad passing. Dart playing a bit better as well.

they look like they took their foot off the gas tbh. i don't blame them. they are still playing aggressive defense, forcing turnovers, etc. it's now 12-3 with 5:31 left in the half so it's not like the lead is shrinking.

3 goals for Blake today. Looking much more confident than he did earlier in the season. We'll need production from our midfield, so great to see

Not sure why Singer didn't help on that invert iso.

14-4 Cornell at the half.

I've seen so many broken sticks this year in the college game. Is something up with the carbon fiber handles?

Michigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q

Edit: now says 2Q

20-9 halfway throught Q4. Downshifted significantly on O but not mass substitutions. D is still trying to force turnovers and everyone is still going for ground balls. Some really nice saves from the Dartmouth goalie, though as I was typing Cornell scored off of a timeout as a man-up was winding down to make it 21-9.

Ierlan given the rest of the day off.

sportsmanship here running the risk of getting this down to a single-digit margin. do not like! grind them in the dirt.

(timeout Dartmouth, 21-11, 3:20 left)

Luzzi, a frosh with his first cornell goal to make it 22-11... save from Knust... time ticking down... final.

Cruised to a win. Nice game overall. the D had a couple too many lapses, but Dooley looks like he's going to be a good one.

Penn 17, Yale 16 final

Elsewhere, Penn beats Yale 17-16, dropping Yale to 0-3 in the Ivy. Harvard beat Colgate 14-10, and Princeton is up 7-6 on Brown at the half.

mike1960
I've seen so many broken sticks this year in the college game. Is something up with the carbon fiber handles?

Other than cost?

Al DeFlorio
Michigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q

Edit: now says 2Q

Michigan is pouring it on Maryland.

15-9 with 6:09 left in the 4th.

mike1960

Al DeFlorio
Michigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q

Edit: now says 2Q

Michigan is pouring it on Maryland.

15-9 with 6:09 left in the 4th.

Final 16-11; ND over Orange 11-10 3Q

For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.

Jeff Hopkins '82
For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.

Also on ESPN+

Jeff Hopkins '82
For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.

I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.

mike1960

Jeff Hopkins '82
For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.

I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.

Seems pretty obvious whose gonna lose at the moment. ND 19 - SU 12 with 3 mins left. ND playing four corners.

FWIW, Syracuse should have scored to take a 2 goal lead. When the ND goalie made the save on the goal, his stick fell into the net with the ball in it, but the refs missed that and didn't allow the goal.

Also Rutgers and Hop tied at 8 at halftime.

Jeff Hopkins '82

mike1960

Jeff Hopkins '82
For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.

I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.

Seems pretty obvious whose gonna lose at the moment. ND 19 - SU 12 with 3 mins left. ND playing four corners.

FWIW, Syracuse should have scored to take a 2 goal lead. When the ND goalie made the save on the goal, his stick fell into the net with the ball in it, but the refs missed that and didn't allow the goal.

It was tied when I left. Did Syrexcuse stop playing?

Su scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.

After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..

SU was stunned and it showed.

upprdeck
Su scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.

After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..

SU was stunned and it showed.

A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.

Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.

mike1960

upprdeck
Su scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.

After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..

SU was stunned and it showed.

A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.

Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.

The announcers on ACC network said the refs blew the call.

mike1960

upprdeck
Su scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.

After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..

SU was stunned and it showed.

A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.

Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.

You are correct MIke. Officially:

Rule 4 Section 11, Article 46 page 40 NCAA Rulebook

"A goalkeeper, in possession of the ball, brings the crosse back
through the plane of the goal. RULING: Legal play, no goal scored. (Only a
loose ball beyond the plane of the goal counts.) RULING: A goal is awarded to the opposing team."

That was the Syracuse announcing team. Untroubled by self-doubt.

Surprise! According to the Ivy League men's lax schedule page (https://ivyleague.com/calendar.aspx?path=mlax&season=2023), we've clinched a spot in the ILT semis and also the final. I believe in Buczek and yeah we've been dominant, but ...

looking at the standings. if we win sat to get to 4 wins and Penn beats Brown I think we clinch getting in,.

Cornell rises 1 spot to fourth in the week 8 (4/3/23) lacrosse media poll. There are now only four one-loss teams left in D1 (at least in the top 20): Duke, Notre Dame, Cornell and Army. Assuming Cornell gets past Harvard this weekend and Marquette Tuesday, there should be an excellent game at Army April 15, which plays at Colgate April 8. Be nice to see Michael Long back and in action then.

1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Cornell
5. Maryland
...
7. Army ("Army West Point" as they inflate their name like TOSU)
14. Penn
15. Princeton
Also with votes: Yale, Brown, but no longer Dartmouth. Also Marquette.

Media poll via IL (resolves to most current week): [www.insidelacrosse.com]

Who knows the gametimes of the 2023 Ivy League lacrosse tournament? The league site has revealed, so far, only the dates. Although it's nice to see Cornell penciled in when you choose ivyleague.com Schedule > All Teams (screen grab).

For 2023, it's back at Columbia Friday and Sunday at the (talk about tapping multiple donors) at the Columbia University "Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within the Baker Athletic Complex." [gocolumbialions.com]

If it's like 2022 at Brown, it is:
Seeds 2, 3 Friday 5/5 6 pm
Seeds 1, 4 Friday 5/5 8:30 pm
Finals Sunday, 5/7 12 noon

Yes, I'm a Type A, but even if not, we've got weddings and graduations, weekend art classes, and opening our summer camp to think about. Be nice to know a month in advance.

Harvard is mired at 4-4 overall, with an Ivy win over Brown and an overtime loss to Dartmouth that gave Dartmouth its league first win since 2015. D is the only mutual opponent so far: C win 22-11, H lose 10-9. Harvard is a game Cornell should win but sometimes quirky things happen. 12 noon start time in Cambridge. Cornell makes the 5-1/2 hour bus ride home, classes resume Monday, then Marquette comes in Tuesday.

Cornell press release: Chasing 4-0 in the Ivy, Men's Lacrosse Visits Harvard

I was at the Yale-BU lacrosse game earlier this week and was chatting with the parent of a BU player. BU defeated Harvard earlier this season, and lost to Yale Tuesday 17-14 in a game which wasn't as close as the score indicated. In any case, he told me that Yale is definitely a better team than Harvard, and that Cornell shouldn't have any trouble against Harvard itself. Of course we know that doesn't mean anything, and I already got an email from Harvard Athletics this morning promoting tickets to the game with the headline: Big Red on Upset Alert. But barring a poor game on Cornell's part, this should be a game we win.

if the improved play at the X continues they will be fine.

upprdeck
if the improved play at the X continues they will be fine.

Hoping Cascadden's injury doesn't slow that down.

I hope to see a going-away win against Harvard, but more I hope to see increasing improvement on offense and defense as we gear up for May. Players need to trust each other, make excellent passes, and move the ball. Against Dartmouth, there were at least two goals off cutters and sharp passes. I know this isn't our bread & butter, but it's a deadly weapon. And it's exciting to see. Teat was a master at hitting cutters from the lefty side. Just a thought.

I will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:

vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L

semsox
I will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:

vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L

Please stay home.

Swampy

semsox
I will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:

vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L

Please stay home.

No, go to the game, but wear your shoes on the wrong feet.

Another great start. Cascadden looks really solid.

* Another game with 3 goals in ~2 minutes.
* Lacrosse is the fastest game on foot and it caught the Harvard announcer flat-footed. On goal #2, a rebound, he said something like, "That happened so fast, a rebound ... I'll get you the name as soon as I can."
* Early action, the video guy has the camera set to a wide shot and still the player receiving the pass stays off camera for 2, 3, 4 seconds. I hope it's a good reason, such as too much weed last night, as opposed to: The guy needs a different profession.

billhoward
* Another game with 3 goals in ~2 minutes.
* Lacrosse is the fastest game on foot and it caught the Harvard announcer flat-footed. On goal #2, a rebound, he said something like, "That happened so fast, a rebound ... I'll get you the name as soon as I can."
* Early action, the video guy has the camera set to a wide shot and still the player receiving the pass stays off camera for 2, 3, 4 seconds. I hope it's a good reason, such as too much weed last night, as opposed to: The guy needs a different profession.

Is it asking too much to have a camera person who knows the game?

Cornell needs to beat those double teams by moving the ball instead of holding it.

Harvard has decided that they will not let CJ beat them. They are going to double and hound him. Someone else will need to step up.

Our offense is very impatient -- forcing passes to the crease attack, taking quick contested shots. We aren't working for hands-free, high-percentage shots.

up 4-2 with 4:41 left in the first half. Cornell is having trouble moving the ball and maintaining possession but the defense and ierlan have been great.

11 turnovers already

2 late goals from Harvard and it's tied at the half. Cornell has no flow on offense or, less navel-gazing, Harvard is flowing very well with the passing and cutting off anyone who tries to attack. Really excellent defense on both sides of the field.

ugarte
2 late goals from Harvard and it's tied at the half. Cornell has no flow on offense or, less navel-gazing, Harvard is flowing very well with the passing and cutting off anyone who tries to attack. Really excellent defense on both sides of the field.

I wish Coyle would stop dodging from X and just move the ball quickly from side to side. That's one of the things Mikey Long does so well. Our alley dodges are going to the right side, bringing the defense help toward Kirst. Instead, alley dodge left, swing it around X, and get it quickly to Kirst on a one-on-one and let him work.

More on the announcer: He's giving shoutouts to half the lacrosse world, the Crimson writer who's brother was on Yale's national championship team, the 914 area code, and "West Coaster" players.

I know the rule about offsides is complex -- at all times, 4 of the 10 players on the defensive side, 3 of the 10 on the offensive side, so I can see why after a possession change, Harvard ball in the Cornell end, and middie substitutions, he could proclaim, "We're back to 7-on-7 lacrosse."

Are we using new sticks? Why all the bad passes?

Nice adjustment to move CJ.

Not sure why Follows didn't help with the alley dodge on that last Harvard goal.

Impatient low percentage shots.

Harvard up 8-6 with 10 minutes left in the 4th. Offense looks constipated.

This looks like the Penn State game. Coyle dodging and shooting. Yes, he scored two in that game, but the team scored six.

Another bad pass and a fast break Harvard goal.

This was a definite step backwards. Let's hope Mikey Long is able to return soon.

Good play by the Harvard goalie. He made three or four A plus saves.

Agree with many of mike1960s observations

regarding the announcer, he would benefit from having a partner in the booth I think. hard to do color and PbP

They were able to hold off Kirst and with Long out for another game the rest of the team needed to make more happen.
With time winding down, trailing by 1 with 30secs still on the shot clock... Coyle forced a pass to the crease Attack in a crowd and Harvard ran the field to take a 2 goal lead with 2 to play. Sort of a microcosm of the day.

Harvard goalie was outstanding in the first 5 and the last 5 (even if our shot selection wasnt that great). With our FO dominance, it could have been a 5-6 goal lead in the 1st if he hadnt made some big stops.

Getting to the point where I would decline EMO, that unit hasnt found any rhythm at all

Is it too panicky to suggest that serious championship contenders don’t lose to Harvard? Anyone see what UVa did at Carolina last night? That’s what a serious contender does.

arugula
Is it too panicky to suggest that serious championship contenders don’t lose to Harvard? Anyone see what UVa did at Carolina last night? That’s what a serious contender does.

We have to play as a team or we won't reach our goals. In the Penn State game, Coyle took 12 shots and scored twice; CJ took 15 shots and scored twice. The rest of the team took 13 shots.

In the Harvard game, where Harvard made a concerted effort to shut down CJ, the distribution was not as narrow but the results were similar. Coyle too 5 shots with no goals; CJ took 15 shots with 4 goals. The rest of the team took 19 shots.

As good as CJ is, we can't be a one-man team. We have to move the ball and make the defense work. So the loss doesn't bother me as much as the way we played.

On defense, we had lapses. Yes, some of Harvard's goals were excellent shots through narrow windows, but we were beat on basic split dodges, face dodges, and lack of help. In one case, we fell completely asleep and left an attack player alone on our front porch.

It's all about getting better. I expect we'll be ready against Marquette.

Part of me thinks: This is like the Cornell-Brown game (I believe Brown) where they figured how to shut off our offense, in that case clamping down on Jeff Teat. And now Harvard has possibly done the same thing to the 2023 offense where not even CJ Kirst is quite at Teat's level.

The other part thinks: hiccup. Big hiccup, still shouldn't have lost, treat this as a learning moment, crush Brown then Princeton, and get the 1-seed in the Ivy tournament. Harvard and Princeton are 2-1 now. Only Cornell 7-2 overall has fewer than three losses overall.

We should have won the Harvard game without Michael Long. It would be really nice to have him ready for Army next Saturday. PS Army has a full-length indoor field to practice on if there's snow and ice outdoors in February; be nice if we had that. (Army indoor arena not paid for, I understand, with defense funds.)

Today 4/8/23
Brown 12, Penn 11 @ Brown
Syracuse 16, Princeton 13 (this year Syracuse chose P as an Ivy opponent)
Yale 21, Dartmouth 11, Yale now 1-3 Ivy. Hard to believe it is just five years from Yale winning the NCAA championship to its first Ivy win requiring four games and meeting up with Dartmouth.

Thanks for that analysis. Sometimes need to be talked off the ledge.

After sleep-walking their way into a miserable loss to a mediocre Harvard team it will be very interesting to see how Cornell responds on Tuesday. I have a great deal of faith in both Buzek and Stevens' ability to right the ship but this team needs to understand that there is no free lunch. Marquette beat Penn State, a strong team, and Army is on a roll. Anyone remember last year's Army game? Cornell was never in it.
Anyone willing to comment on how the Big Red could squander such a dominant face-off advantage and turn it into a loss??? This should have been the same result as Yale/Dartmouth

woodpile
After sleep-walking their way into a miserable loss to a mediocre Harvard team it will be very interesting to see how Cornell responds on Tuesday. I have a great deal of faith in both Buzek and Stevens' ability to right the ship but this team needs to understand that there is no free lunch. Marquette beat Penn State, a strong team, and Army is on a roll. Anyone remember last year's Army game? Cornell was never in it.
Anyone willing to comment on how the Big Red could squander such a dominant face-off advantage and turn it into a loss??? This should have been the same result as Yale/Dartmouth

CJ Kirst is a great scorer, one of the best, but when a team decides to focus on shutting him down (and other teams certainly will), it might help for him to move from a mindset of a scorer to the mindset of a distributor. Often, when the team gets down, he takes it all on himself to get goals, even trying to beat double teams. And distributing the ball is not really his game. (2022: 55 goals, 24 assists; 2023: 43 goals, 9 assists). But getting other people involved will actually give him more opportunities to score as the defense has to account for other shooters like Blake and Piatelli. This is one reason why Teat and Pannell were so effective. Teat had 116 career goals and 152 assists. Pannell had 150 career goals and 204 assists. When things get tough and moving the ball is not working as well as it should, the offense should recommit to moving the ball better (more accurate, quicker passes), not relying on individuals trying to score on their own. 21 was selfless. That's the Cornell tradition.

It's one game. This week we rebound.

I bet we fall further in the standings than any other top ten team that lost over the weekend, and it will take longer to rebound. Curse of being a Northern / Ivy not-traditional Maryland-Virginia-Hopkins-Navy-Army team.

Interestingly, we didn't crash in the lax poll. 6

billhoward
Curse of being a Northern / Ivy not-traditional Maryland-Virginia-Hopkins-Navy-Army team.

Is the Maryland Mafia still a thing?

Trotsky
Is the Maryland Mafia still a thing?

Spiro Agnew may be dead and gone, but, yes, I believe there's an active conspiracy, headquartered somewhere in Baltimore, to protect the cherished originals of the sport. MTG would back me up.

Hopkins, Navy, Army, Maryland and Virginia won every lacrosse title 1954-1970 when it was a poll, including five years when it was a two- or three-way. There is a persistent belief among many (read: among schools not of the inner circle) that Cornell might have won one or two national titles had there been a playoff five years earlier, in the Harkness (yes, coached two sports) and Richie Moran-early years. Cornell went 12-0 (previous year: 4-7), 11-1, 12-0, 8-3 and 11-0, virtually all losses were in one of the first games.

To this five-school inner circle, add add North Carolina and Duke. All slave-owning states except Army. Once it became a playoff, Cornell won three of the next seven on the field. The most successful schools since then, measured by titles or final four appearances, would be Syracuse (10 titles 1988-2009 plus 1983) and Princeton (6 titles 1992-2001):

The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or <gag> a Big Ten school such as Penn State.

Loss to Harvard drops Cornell from #4 to #6 in the week 9 polls. Now #7 in RPI.

Media Poll / Insider Lacrosse: 1 ND, 2 Virgina, 3 Duke (minus 2 spots after loss to ND), 4 MD, 5 Penn State, 6 Cornell, 7 Army, 7 tie Hopkins (with 4 losses), 9 Rutgers (+3 beat Michigan in OT), 10 Georgetown. [www.ncaa.com]

RPI: 1 ND, 2 Duke, 3 Virginia, 4 Hopkins, 5 Maryland, 6 Penn State, 7 Cornell, 8 Georgetown, 9 NC, 10 Denver. Marquette, Tuesday's opponent for Cornell, is 40th (vs. Also Got Votes, but so is Harvard this week after beating us 10-8) and Army is 19. [www.ncaa.com]

USILA media poll. [www.insidelacrosse.com]

[edit add:] The USILA / coaches' poll (bottom of post), which seems to come a day late (were the coaches-when-students this way handing in undergrad papers?) has Cornell one notch lower. This would be the only poll in the late sixties when Cornell was always below at least one school sometimes three at season's end. Every year save one with 1 or 0 losses, 1967-1970.

billhoward

Trotsky
Is the Maryland Mafia still a thing?

Spiro Agnew may be dead and gone, but, yes, I believe there's an active conspiracy, headquartered somewhere in Baltimore, to protect the cherished originals of the sport. MTG would back me up.

Hopkins, Navy, Army, Maryland and Virginia won every lacrosse title 1954-1970 when it was a poll, including five years when it was a two- or three-way. There is a persistent belief among many (read: among schools not of the inner circle) that Cornell might have won one or two national titles had there been a playoff five years earlier, in the Harkness (yes, coached two sports) and Richie Moran-early years. Cornell went 12-0 (previous year: 4-7), 11-1, 12-0, 8-3 and 11-0, virtually all losses were in one of the first games.

To this five-school inner circle, add add North Carolina and Duke. All slave-owning states except Army. Once it became a playoff, Cornell won three of the next seven on the field. The most successful schools since then, measured by titles or final four appearances, would be Syracuse (10 titles 1988-2009 plus 1983) and Princeton (6 titles 1992-2001):

The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or <gag> a Big Ten school such as Penn State.

I thought the contemporary symptom was the Wall Street Lax Mafia and that Princeton, Yale and Cornell were full on charter Douche Bros.

billhoward
The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or <gag> a Big Ten school such as Penn State.

I guess Hopkins (1987, 2005, 2007) counts as one of “those Big 10 schools?” (Joined B1G in 2014)

Sorry if my typing was confusing. In terms of post-1970 successes, Hopkins would be one of the noted "five-school inner circle" that continued to win but not at the pace of the polls-determine-champions years.

Actually, that power five has gotten little support from the service academies: Army never made it to the finals in the playoff years but did host Cornell in the first year in the semifinals and lost 17-16. Yes, epic game. Navy has been to the title game twice and lost. Maryland had a 42-year drought before winning.

Table below shows the playoff years. Syracuse has won 11 title games (the 1990 game was erased because of some 1990s-style scandal involving one of the Gaits). Hopkins has been to the most title games, 18, and is only .500, with a 17-year gap until 2005 and then nothing the past 15 years. Princeton had the most amazing string of titles in the 1990s, 5, plus 2001. Cornell as we know now s the longest gap without a title.

Via: [en.wikipedia.org]

Horrible camera work this afternoon. So far it is almost impossible to follow what is going on.

Nice to see Long back..

I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

mike1960
I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

Yes

Al DeFlorio

mike1960
I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?

Yes

Good to hear!

Yes, great ball movement, picture-perfect offense

Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

army is a big game in case we have an issue down the stretch in the Ivies. The way things are breaking the IVY might be a 1 bid team and we wont get much help from the league wins if we dont win the tourney.

Army is currently RPI #19. For comparison, Yale is #11, Penn #12, OSU #14 (and Cornell is #6).

Cornell needs to keep winning to avoid being Duked. (Last year, Duke was RPI #8 and did not get a bid.)

Lax doesnt go just by RPI like hockey does, Army is ranked #7.

OSU is under .500 now. Penn us under .500. Yale on the edge. Princeton under .500

We wont have many quality wins the way its going.

mike1960
Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

scoop85

mike1960
Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.

Swampy

scoop85

mike1960
Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.

The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.

Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.

Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.

I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.

Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.

If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.

Yes, that would put enormous pressure on opposing defenses. Quite a tantalizing prospect.

if you can preserve Long and win without showing all your tricks thats a good thing as well.. Whatever his issues are now they dont look to be leg related. No braces or tape on the legs.

We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

billhoward
We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.

On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?

A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.