Cornell lacrosse 2023

Hey Bill Howard, I think it’s time to start the new thread!

2023 Cornell Lacrosse Schedule 
Saturday unless noted 
Feb 11      Colgate noon (2022 high: 48)
Feb 18      @ Albany (2022 high: 23)
Feb 25      Lehigh noon (2022 high: 32)
Feb 28 Tue  @ Hobart 5 pm (2022 high: 23)
Mar 04      @ Ohio State
Mar 11      Penn State noon
Mar 18      @ Yale
Mar 25      Penn noon
Apr 01      Dartmouth noon
Apr 08      @ Harvard
Apr 11 Tue  Marquette (what, no Syracuse?)
Apr 15      @ Army 
Apr 22      @ Brown 
Apr 29      Princeton 3 pm
May 5,7     Ivy Tournament TBD location

After April 1 – read: as the weather finally gets decent – only two home games: Marquette and Princeton.

Curious to know if it was Cornell or Syracuse that pulled the plug on their game and will there be some nicety about how it was difficult to find a workable midweek date.

Army on the schedule is good. No Binghamton but they haven't been competitive. Two Big Ten schools. No southern schools.

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[earlier matter]
Thanks for starting. (I was waiting for the excitement to die down over UConn vs Cornell at MSG.) Always nice to put the 2023 schedule in that first post, then a link to the pre-season polls, pre-season All-Americas, yada yada. Stuff readers would like to see w/o scrolling. I think you know the trick for monospaced fonts that let the schedule line up easily type the word code inside brackets to start and /code inside brackets to end that block.

It never hurts to change the subject line to "Cornell lacrosse 2023 - Hobart 2/13" for ease of scrolling down and finding something. Yeah, I'm a Type-A, just no heart attack, yet.

I know if mine had a subject line, "Team of Destiny Part Deux," (tho not in caps), I'd be accused of woofing.

billhoward
Thanks for starting. (I was waiting for the excitement to die down over UConn vs Cornell at MSG.) Always nice to put the 2023 schedule in that first post, then a link to the pre-season polls, pre-season All-Americas, yada yada. Stuff readers would like to see w/o scrolling. I think you know the trick for monospaced fonts that let the schedule line up easily type the word code inside brackets to start and /code inside brackets to end that block.

It never hurts to change the subject line to "Cornell lacrosse 2023 - Hobart 2/13" for ease of scrolling down and finding something. Yeah, I'm a Type-A, just no heart attack, yet.

I know if mine had a subject line, "Team of Destiny Part Deux," (tho not in caps), I'd be accused of woofing.

I think given:

* the quality of the incoming class(es)
* the quality of the players returning (including Adler, Ierlan, etc.)
* the tremendous coaching by the Buczek/Stevens tag-team
* the showing against Maryland

A lot of us are silently thinking, "Team of Destiny (sooner rather than later)"

I’m sorry, Bill. I meant to add that post to the old thread so you would be the thread creator, as is the tradition.

But yes I think we can already start talking about how good this team can be with a great group returning and lots of experience in playoff lacrosse.

We've had so many good coaches who moved Cornell a couple rungs up the ladder then found greener pastures elsewhere. Conner Buczek could be the Mike Schafer of Cornell Lacrosse we've been hoping for since, ah, just about forever, since only Ben DeLuca '98 was also a Cornell alum.

Let's see how good the entering class is. A lot of first-years aren't quite as good as their HS stats. But: Did anybody expect Kirst to punch in 55 goals his first season?

BREAKING: former @Bryant_MLax attackman Ben Abladian has completed the admissions process and is transferring to @CornellLacrosse.

— Kyle Devitte (@TheKyleDevitte) June 21, 2022

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Ben Abladian was NEC rookie of the year as a frosh & scored 42 goals as a soph.

mike1960

BREAKING: former @Bryant_MLax attackman Ben Abladian has completed the admissions process and is transferring to @CornellLacrosse.

— Kyle Devitte (@TheKyleDevitte) June 21, 2022

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Abladian sounds like the real deal. LGR
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Bryant, ex-Duke, lacrosse coach Mike Pressler retired this spring. [www.insidelacrosse.com]

Pressler was at Bryant 16 years (time flies), in 2014 got Bryant to the NCAA quarterfinals. Note from Bryan PR: Bryant named "associate head coach Casey Brodersen the interim head coach and a national search for the next head coach who will build on Coach Pressler's success and take Bulldog Lacrosse to the next level will begin immediately. Brodersen completed his 12th season as a member of Pressler's staff in 2022. He has spent the last eight years as the associate head coach." Not quite the rapid career trajectory of former Cornell interim coach Buczek.

Not Cornell lacrosse 2023, but some Jeff Teat action.

FINAL: @CanadaLacrosse 23@USAMLax 9

Jeff Teat scored 4 goals on 4 shots, including this highlight-reel worthy BTB, and added 3 assists.

The Canadians win 🥇in @TWG2022. pic.twitter.com/Sqb2yLUYOV

— Inside Lacrosse (@Inside_Lacrosse) July 13, 2022

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so they have no faceoffs in this thing after goals.. more like bball just get it and go..

[www.youtube.com]

Ken711
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I see commit Matt Tully ‘27 is wearing a chest protector. Did lax players wear them when the late George Boiardi ‘04 was playing? For those too young to remember, Boiardi was hit in the chest by a ball at the wrong instant, causing a fatal heart arrhythmia.
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George64

Ken711
[www.youtube.com]

I see commit Matt Tully ‘27 is wearing a chest protector. Did lax players wear them when the late George Boiardi ‘04 was playing? For those too young to remember, Boiardi was hit in the chest by a ball at the wrong instant, causing a fatal heart arrhythmia.
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When I played club lacrosse during the early 70s, I never heard of such things, except for goalies. We routinely wore arm protectors and gloves, but not chest protectors. I believe the advent of synthetic heads on lacrosse sticks made shots & passes much faster, and therefore somewhat lethal (as in the tragic case of GB21). So, I would not be surprised if chest protectors have become more common.

But shoulder pads were also very uncommon, and now I notice many players wearing them. And I'm shocked at how few players wear arm protectors these days.

My kids played high school lacrosse from about 1996-2005 and only the goalies wore chest protectors. I am pretty sure most guys wore shoulder pads but they were dinky compared to those used in hockey.

Good rule change. It was unfair that a defensive player could shove an offensive player in the back and into the crease to negate a goal scoring opportunity.

[www.usalaxmagazine.com]

In men's lacrosse, a goal scored while the offensive player is propelled into the crease/goal mouth due to illegal contact by the defender will count, starting with the 2023 season.

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved the new rule during a conference call Wednesday.

More about the storied Kirst family.

Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.

Cornell Recruiting Class

Ken711
Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.

Lax recruit Eddie Rayhill is the brother of Jimmy, listed on the hockey roster.
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CJ Kirst with 5 goals named MVP in US gold- medal win in U-21 tourney.

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CJ Kirst with 5 goals named MVP in US gold- medal win in U-21 tourney.

CJ added to the team after putting up seven against USA coach Nick Myers's Ohio State team in the NCAAs.

According to InsideLacrosse.com Maryland and CU rematch this fall

Rematch with Maryland should be interesting. Almost through reading We Showed Baltimore. Just yesterday, I read about our rematch with Johns Hopkins at Homewood Field following our 1977 championship win over the Blue Jays.
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Ken711
Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Cornell Recruiting Class

Incoming Cornell players all sound fantastic. But: None are in the Inside Lacrosse top 10 (Harvard is the only Ivy, with Adam Blind, #6, goalie.)

billhoward

Ken711
Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Cornell Recruiting Class

Incoming Cornell players all sound fantastic. But: None are in the Inside Lacrosse top 10 (Harvard is the only Ivy, with Adam Blind, #6, goalie.)

Too bad he's not their hockey goalie - the Lynah Faithful would have lots of fun with that name

These are the IL Cornell-recruit rankings HS Class of '22 combined with Cornell's notes on its 14 incoming players. Five stars is the highest. Cornell's lone five-star is a FOGO. If you only have one, best when it's a faceoff guy or goalkeeper. Unless your name is Teat or Pannell.

[Rating per Inside Lacrosse:] FIVE STARS

[Cornell info:] Jack Cascadden – FO/Midfield – 6-3 – 220
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City School)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship title in 2022.
• Was named a USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Throp Award Winner for most outstanding football player in Nassau County.
[Separate IL note: "Cascadden’s coming out party took place during a dominant campaign at the Juniors Open, though he didn’t stop there. With a 6-3 frame and strong stick skills, he’s also capable of playing offense or defense, which is no surprise given his athleticism and football prowess."]
[Cascadden is not listed as a football recruit on Cornell's Class of 2026 list ]

FOUR STARS
Brendan Staub – LSM/Defense – 6-1 – 210
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City HS)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship in 2022.
• Named a two-time USA Lacrosse All-American and All-Academic.
• Named Best Player in Nassau County by Nassau County Lacrosse Coaches Association.
• 2022 James C. Metzger MVP Lacrosse awardee.

Joseph "JK" Kelly – Defense – 5-10 – 185
Lutherville, Md. (Calvert Hall College HS)
Prior to Cornell
• Senior year captain for Calvert Hall.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Played with the club team Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) Lacrosse.
• Son of Frank Kelly '86, who was a lacrosse and football player during his years with the Big Red.

Charlie Box – Midfield – 5-8 – 170
Broomall, Pa. (Marple Newtown High School)
Prior to Cornell
• First All-Delco player for Marple Newtown HS since 2003.
• As a 2022 captain, led his team to its first-ever state championship.
• USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-Academic team.

Brady Auker – LSM/Defense – 5-10 – 170
Larchmont, N.Y. (Mamaroneck HS)
Prior to Cornell
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2022 winner of the USA Lacrosse Bob Scott Award.
• Led the 2022 team as captain and was named the team defensive MVP.
• 2019 New York state semifinalist.

THREE STARS

Ethan Ruller – Goalie – 5-11 – 172
Webster, N.Y. (Webster Thomas HS)
Prior to Cornell
• 2021 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2021 All-Greater Rochester Player of the Year.
• Served as team captain in 2019 and 2021.
• Led 2021 team to a Section V Class B Championship.
• Played at Westminster Prep for the 2021-22 season.

Bowie Horsman – Attack – 6-3 – 165
Brampton, Ontario (The Hill Academy)
Prior to Cornell
• Served as the 2022 senior captain for The Hill Academy.
• 2022 Pride Award recipient at The Hill.
• Served as assistant captain for the Brampton Excelsiors Junior A squad in 2022.
• Notched 19 goals and 36 assists in his senior season.

Edward Rayhill – Defense – 6-0 – 190
New Hartford, N.Y. (The Frederick Gunn School)
Prior to Cornell
• 2022 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-time captain.
• Led 2022 team to the conference championship.
• Played club lacrosse with Orange Crush.
• Three-time underclass UnderArmour All-American.

Matthew Dooley – Defense – 6-4 – 200
Sudbury, Mass. (Salisbury School)
Prior to Cornell
• USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Named an EMCLA first team All-American.
• Served as captain in his senior year.
• Two-time Metrowest Daily News all-star

Brian Jackman
(Midfielder from St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Secondary School. On IL list of 3-star commits to Cornell. Not on Cornell list of fall 2022 incoming players. Anybody have info?)


OTHER INCOMING CORNELL FALL 2022 PLAYERS. Not on IL 3-, 4-, or 5-star lists.

Ben Abladian – Attack – 5-9 – 185
Londonderry, N.H. (Bishop Guertin HS/Bryant University)
Prior to Cornell
• Transfer from Bryant University.
• 2021 NEC Rookie of the Year.
• Scored 42 goals and notched five assists across 15 games in 2022.
• Two-time underclass UnderArmour All-American at Bishop Guertin HS.
• USA Lacrosse All-American.

Brian Luzzi – Attack – 5-11 – 175
Bethpage, N.Y. (Bethpage HS)
Prior to Cornell
• 2022 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2021 USA Lacrosse All-America honorable mention.
• Two-time all-county.
• Was named all-state in 2021

Griffin McGovern – Midfield – 5-10 – 180
Wilmington, Del. (Salesianum School)
Prior to Cornell
• Twice named to the first team all-state roster.
• Two-time state champions at Salesianum School.
• Served as captain in his senior season.
• DIAA Student Athlete awardee.

Matthew Perfetto – Attack – 5-10 – 180
Manhasset, N.Y. (Manhasset High School)
Prior to Cornell
• Served as captain in 2022 and led his team to the New York state championship.
• Named All-County in 2021 and 2022.
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-Academic.
• Named one of Newsday's Top 100 players.
• LILJ 2022 Paumonak Award finalist.

Take the rankings with grains of salt. The previous IL player ranking (2021 HS graduation year) had A Danny Caddigan as Cornell's top-rated recruit (4 stars), rated #61 among all rookies and at attack for Cornell in 2022 scored 3 goals, 0 assists. The year before, A CJ Kirst was the ninth-highest rated player and in his first season (2022) had 55-24--79 points.

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Schools ranked by recruit quality

Inside Lacrosse ranks Virginia #1, Maryland #2, Princeton #7, Cornell #9 in the top ten.
2022 Inside Lacrosse [HS Class of] 2022 rankings of individual players:

Rank	Team	        5-star	4-star 	3-star  StarsTtl Avg Rating
1	Virginia	4	4	1	39	4.33
2	Maryland	3	7	1	46	4.18
3	Georgetown	2	5	1	33	4.13
4	Syracuse	4	7	3	57	4.07
5	Duke    	1	7	1	36	4.00
6	North Carolina	3	4	3	40	4.00
7	Princeton	1	4	1	24	4.00
8	Notre Dame	1	8	2	43	3.91
9	Cornell	        1	7	2	39	3.90
10	Harvard	        2	5	3	39	3.90
11	Penn	        0	7	1	31	3.88
12	Johns Hopkins	0	5	1	23	3.83
13	Ohio State	0	8	2	38	3.80
14	Michigan	0	7	2	34	3.78
15	Yale	        1	4	3	30	3.75
16	Villanova	0	7	3	37	3.70
17	Loyola	        0	6	3	33	3.67
18	Penn State	1	2	3	22	3.67
19	Navy	        0	7	4	40	3.64

The IL Top Incoming Players that I see only go to 10 not 100 as in previous years. They are:

1    Joey Spallina, M, Syracuse
2    Dominic Pietramala, A, NC (yes, son of ex Cornell-Hopkins coach)
3    Joey Terenzi, M, Virginia
4    Truit Sunderland, A, Virgina
5    Will Schaller, LSM, Maryland (poached from the Hill School, once our turf)
6    AJ Larking, D Maryland
7    Adam Blind, G, Harvard <-- Harvard, goaltender, name of Blind, insert own joke here
8    Charlie Johnson, D, Duke
9    Brock Berman, A, Notre Dame
10   Mac Eldridge, FO, Virginia 

Hilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.

Al DeFlorio
Hilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.

Math and statistics look good when you're staring through a telescope at the cosmos. Imagine taking Carl Sagan's class while stoned.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Hilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.

Math and statistics look good when you're staring through a telescope at the cosmos. Imagine taking Carl Sagan's class while stoned.[/qauote]

Didn't everyone? I thought it was a prereq...

 

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"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

I don't believe Rob Pannell was even ranked by IL so I take all of the above with a grain of salt. And it is important to remember that lax is a team game. Ten people on the field who are willing and able to support each other is likely to guarantee success more often than having ten selfish AA's on the field.

dag14
I don't believe Rob Pannell was even ranked by IL so I take all of the above with a grain of salt. And it is important to remember that lax is a team game. Ten people on the field who are willing and able to support each other is likely to guarantee success more often than having ten selfish AA's on the field.

You're thinking thinking perhaps of Virginia's Bratton twins from Long Island, subject of a 2007 NY Times magazine article, The Boy Wonders of Lacrosse? Suposedly capable of playing at a whole different level of athleticism. One was suspended multiple times then kicked off, the other suspended. They did not mesh with the team, it was reported multiple times, and they were also Black, so that may not have made it so easy to mesh with the team and vice versa.

A WaPost blog story on their suspension was written by We Showed Baltimore author Christian Swezey: Shamel Bratton dismissed from Virginia men’s lacrosse team; team votes to suspend Rhamel Bratton indefinitely. Swezey gets around.

The Rob Pannell story was he was a good but not head-turning HS player (not seen as at the Jeff Teat level and maybe not at the CJ Kirst level (#9 ranked by IL as a senior)). His goal was Quinnipiac. (Hey, Mike French's plan post HS was to work in a GM factory.) He took a prep year, caught fire, and Cornell lured him away from Bobcat-land.

I know the Pannell back story well: I was his faculty advisor at Cornell....

I remember serving on a panel during Trustee Council weekend with Dave Petramala in his first or second season in which we discussed the challenges of recruiting in the Ivy League. I didn't know him well at that time but I was particularly impressed with his candor as he noted that Cornell might not be the best fit for high school lacrosse stars because a lot [not all] of those guys are often looking for the so-called elite program so that they could continue to see themselves as better than everyone else. There are DI coaches who can successfully work with those players but that has never been the culture at Cornell. If you are a star, to be welcomed at Cornell you also have to be the guy that will do all he can to support his teammates, not just excel at a position.

Pannell comes to mind as a great example. After his PPL Redwood's team won an important game this summer, in large measure because of his 5 or 6 assists, Rob said in the postgame interview that he thrives on setting the other guys up. Jeff Teat is much the same. If he has an open lane, he heads for the goal. If he doesn't, he finds a guy who does.

Think about who wins the Hardhat Award after each game: it is often the guy with the most takeaways or groundballs, not the guy with the most points.

Thanks for the trip down Recent-Memory Lane. Everything I know about Richie Moran and the Cornell ethic — Hard work! Ground balls! Ivy school, blue collar ethic! — rings true for not just the Moran/Harkness era but throughout Cornell's 55 or so years of lax dominance. Teamwork also pays off in all kinds of business life which is why being a jock helps you later (boosts the team manager, too). A loner is not going to correctly dissect a prospectus solo, or find the cure for cancer alone.

Will definitely take a five-star FOGO.

A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense.

[nlfrankings.com]

mike1960
A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. [nlfrankings.com]

Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.

For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.

billhoward

mike1960
A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. [nlfrankings.com]

Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.

For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.

He’s #57 in the rankings. I doubt Cornell has many players on their roster who were ranked higher than that in high school.

Interesting. In the list view, he's #67. Drop into the profile, he's #57, and there's no Cornell logo showing his commitment. Whereas the last five-star player, #21, a Yale commit, has a Yale logo on the page. Although it's still almost two years from now that these players show on campus.

It seems other schools get a few more five-stars signed. We get a lot from four- and three-stars, or less, and/or they develop.

I felt badly when Virginia got the Bratton twins signed in 2007, such stars the NYTimes magazine did a story on them. They were not quite as impactful as expected.

There's also team chemistry and coaching. I am super-interested to see how Cornell fares against Maryland in their scrimmage Sunday outside Philadelphia.

billhoward
I am super-interested to see how Cornell fares against Maryland in their scrimmage Sunday outside Philadelphia.

May not tell us much. Read somewhere a number of key Cornell players are nursing injuries or taking the semester off. Hearsay, so who knows what's real.

BearLover

billhoward

mike1960
A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. [nlfrankings.com]

Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.

For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.

He’s #57 in the rankings. I doubt Cornell has many players on their roster who were ranked higher than that in high school.

There’s one 5-star in this year’s freshman class, Jack Cascadden (I believe he was #10 at Inside Lacrosse) and for whatever reason Brendan Staub, who was the Nassau County Player of the Year and an UA All-American is “only” a 4-star. Other 5-stars on the roster are Mikey Long, CJ Kirst, John Lombardi, Angelo Petrakis, and Chayse Ierlan. I believe Aiden Blake was a 4-star from IL. In next year’s class we have one 5 star, AJ Nikolic (son of Cornell hockey’s Alex) and 3 4-star recruits. With six 4-stars in the 2024 class (and another, Rowan Nurry, who I saw IL’s Ty Xander say will be a 4-star in the next rankings), we look to be doing very well.

How accurate are lacrosse recruiting rankings in general?

underskill
How accurate are lacrosse recruiting rankings in general?

Long discussion on this thread at fanlax: [fanlax.com]

Being in the 2022 title game helped recruiting, obviously, for the class entering fall 2023. I think recruits see Connor Buczek as the real deal, younger even than Richie Moran in his first year, and likely to stay at Cornell. Fingers crossed.

Which thread says: HS player ranking = inexact science ... some rankings reflect what schools are pursuing which players and how hard ... some college coaches are great coaches, some are great HS-talent evaluators, some are both ... buying video evaluations may help get a HS player noticed ...

Fall ball vs. Maryland sold out: [www.usalaxmagazine.com]

If anyone attended the fall ball game and/or has updates on how it went or links to information, I am sure I am not the only one who would appreciate hearing any reports.

dag14
If anyone attended the fall ball game and/or has updates on how it went or links to information, I am sure I am not the only one who would appreciate hearing any reports.

Go here and scroll down: [fanlax.com]

Many top guys absent. Probably same for MD.

Thanks for the link. I used to log into LaXPower regularly, then it disappeared, I had disruption in my life and only this weekend did I realize that I didn't have a go-to site for miscellaneous lacrosse information. So not only did I get the update I was looking for, I can now spend time following yet another forum.

Another scrimmage report

TimV
Another scrimmage report

Mostly focused on Maryland in the report.

Would you like it better if it had a video?

Thanks to the Ivy League's oft-criticized rules about eligibility, nine Princeton seniors are entering the transfer portal. I'm assuming none of them can come play for Cornell!

Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: [www.usalaxmagazine.com]

Al DeFlorio
Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: [www.usalaxmagazine.com]

"In addition to being named Cornell’s lacrosse team most valuable player in 1971, Rule was also a member of the Big Red’s hockey team in 1969-70 as a backup goaltender, earning the unique distinction of being the first Cornell athlete to play on two national championship teams in different sports."

He was the first. Has there been anyone since?

Al DeFlorio
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Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: [www.usalaxmagazine.com]

A heartbreaking shame. I first met him a few years ago at an alumni event. I told him how I picked up my knowledge of lacrosse mostly by keeping the bench warm while playing club lacrosse in graduate school, and he smiled and said, I know what that’s like.” We both laughed because I thought I knew his history. He was backup goalie to Brian Cropper on the undefeated 1970 hockey team. He only got into 3 games that year, during garbage time. But I was mistaken about him in lacrosse.

I remembered he was a goalie in lacrosse too, but I confused him with Bob Buhmann. Buhmann did start in goal for Cornell’s 1971 national championship lacrosse match against Maryland. But only when I read Christian Swezey’s “We Showed Baltimore” this summer did realize that Rule was the team’s starting goalie but didn’t play in the championship game because of a knee injury.

Rule’s personable humility immediately won me over, even though, or perhaps because, he never admitted he was the starter on the lacrosse team. As Swezey reports, when a writer noticed Buhmann’s 22 saves in the championship game and that Buhmann was backup to Rule, the writer said, “Rule must be incredible.”

From my brief encounter with Bob Rule and reading in Swezey’s book about Rule’s other exploits, I have to think the writer was correct.

RIP.

Al DeFlorio
Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: [www.usalaxmagazine.com]

Was about to note the other goalie on the 1971 championship season, passed recently: Bob Buhmann, who took Cornell through the playoffs when Bob Rule went down and made 22 saves in the 12-6 win over Maryland for the title. Except, damn, that was 2014. Time moves too quickly for some of us.

Schedule is out: [cornellbigred.com]

No…. Syracuse?! Marquette instead.

Chris '03
Schedule is out: [cornellbigred.com]

No…. Syracuse?! Marquette instead.

That sucks. Probably not good for SOS.

The 2023 Cornell men's lacrosse schedule shows no regular season game against Syracuse. A quick skim on the series rivalryI believe shows the last break in play was 1977 and 1978, the year after Cornell whupped Syracuse 24-6 (Cornell's 11th straight win), won the national championship and went 16-0.

Cornell was good and Syracuse was pretty bad in the 1970s. In fact after Syracuse's last win in 1965, until the break, Syracuse scored 2 2 5 8 7 9 3 3 4 5 6 goals while Cornell had five games of 19-26 goals. From 1988-1999 Syracuse won 13 games (including one championship game) but Cornell never threw in the towel.

Do we know for a fact that it was Syracuse 's choice not to play this year? Or is it just speculation, which many of us are prone to doing?

Chris '03
Schedule is out: [cornellbigred.com]

No…. Syracuse?! Marquette instead.

What the heck is this???

Was told by one of the current players that Syracuse wanted to play Princeton instead of Cornell (Gary Gait's son was on the Princeton team a few years back).

Don't really know where to put it, but the early reports of the player collapsing in the Bills/Bengals game tonight sounds a lot like what happened to George Boiardi in 2004.

thats the current rumor.. the hit wasnt that violent but was sure in the chest area.

i was coming to post the same thing for the same reason. it looks and sounds exactly like what happened to boiardi.

[edit add:] CNN's Sanjay Gupta said Damar Hamlin's injury indeed may been a result of commotio cordis, described as "a disruption of heart rhythm after a blow to the area directly over the heart at a key time during a heartbeat cycle." It's the leading cause of death in youth baseball, 2-3 per year. And it was the cause of death of George Boiardi '04 after being struck by a shot in Cornell's game against Binghamton.

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The Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)

The autopsy showed [edit clarifying:] Chuck Hughes of the Lions, who collapsed during a game in 1971 and died that day in the hospital, had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said Hamlin had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.

The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.

Yes, commotio cordis. I thought the same thing. I hope that young man is ok.

billhoward
The Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)

The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.

The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.

Hughes?

Unless the shoulder pads stay rigid, with the panels not flexing and the component pieces staying in place, so as to spread the impact over a large area, they might not provide adequate protection.

IIRC, a good deal of the modeling would rely on good ol' Newton's F = ma. See The Physics of Being Hit by a Pitch. To get the speed of the collision, you'd have to add the velocities of the two players who collide and convert measures of their weights to mass.

The design of the shoulder pads would influence the time it takes to reduce the speed of the two players to zero, and how well the pads spread the pressure would determine the psi after the collision. So would players' positioning when the tackle is made (e.g., did the offensive player's chest or shoulder hit Hamlin?).

Bottom line, though, is that the two men are heavyweights and were running fast when they collided.

rss77
Was told by one of the current players that Syracuse wanted to play Princeton instead of Cornell (Gary Gait's son was on the Princeton team a few years back).

Syracuse, why not do both?

Swampy

billhoward
The Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)

The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.

The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.

Hughes?

Unless the shoulder pads stay rigid, with the panels not flexing and the component pieces staying in place, so as to spread the impact over a large area, they might not provide adequate protection.

IIRC, a good deal of the modeling would rely on good ol' Newton's F = ma.

Isn't it the momentum that hurts, p = mv?

Swampy

billhoward

The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.

The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.

Hughes?

This from the Rochester D&C: “Chuck Hughes, a wide receiver for the Detroit Lions, collapsed on the field at Tiger Stadium on Oct. 24, 1971 during a game against the Chicago Bears. Hughes had just made a 32-yard reception, and then a couple plays later, Bears’ defensive end Ed O’Bradovich watched in disbelief as Hughes clutched his chest and fell face first to the ground. . . In all likelihood, Hughes was dead before the medical personnel reached him.” Hughes is the only NFL player to die on the field, although several others have had serious injuries resulting in paralysis.
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George64

Swampy

billhoward

The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.

The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.

Hughes?

This from the Rochester D&C: “Chuck Hughes, a wide receiver for the Detroit Lions, collapsed on the field at Tiger Stadium on Oct. 24, 1971 during a game against the Chicago Bears. Hughes had just made a 32-yard reception, and then a couple plays later, Bears’ defensive end Ed O’Bradovich watched in disbelief as Hughes clutched his chest and fell face first to the ground. . . In all likelihood, Hughes was dead before the medical personnel reached him.” Hughes is the only NFL player to die on the field, although several others have had serious injuries resulting in paralysis.
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Hughes was moved off the field and, because it was late in the game, the teams finished the game, which seems unimaginable. But then, as I recall, the NFL played their scheduled games the Sunday after JFK was assassinated. Business is business!
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F1 kept a race running where 80 spectators were killed. It's almost as if commerce treats human beings as means and not ends in themselves.

If FIA or the NFL said We Will Not Play the Next Game Out of Respect, the drivers / players might say, "We want to play to honor him."

There was no adult in the stadium from the NFL who had the savvy or judgment or authority to say to the game's captains and coaches, "We do you and the players want to do?" The announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.

In this situation, labor had the trump card, not management. Unless they wanted to bring in an entirely new work force. If so, the Congress has done pretty much nothing all week. Didn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?

billhoward
The announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.

The NFL, of course, said they had no intention of resuming play. That begs the question, why did they need to wait an hour to cancel the game?
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George64

billhoward
The announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.

The NFL, of course, said they had no intention of resuming play. That begs the question, why did they need to wait an hour to cancel the game?
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I saw one tweet -- I think from a person who said they used to be involved with NFL game ops -- that said they might have held off on canceling the game immediately to avoid everyone leaving the stadium and creating a traffic jam while the ambulance was still on site. That wouldn't explain why they didn't call the game right after the ambulance left, though, especially since it was obvious that the teams had no interest in resuming play.

billhoward
Didn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?

Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know, embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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There’s an interesting article in the NY Times that notes “Other professional leagues have experienced similar crises. In 1998, Dr. Matava helped treat Chris Pronger, a defenseman for the St. Louis Blues, when a puck hit his chest and his heart stopped. Pronger, who survived, was found to have suffered commotio cordis, in which a severe blow to the chest at a precise moment in the heart’s rhythm can stop its beating.”
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Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.

George64

billhoward
Didn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?

Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know, embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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But he’s from Brazil, so you’re misunderstanding the kind of football on his resume. I heard he made the Brazilian Men’s National Team (in soccer) but couldn’t play in the World Cup because of injury. At least that’s what his resume says.

Swampy

George64

billhoward
Didn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?

Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know, embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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But he’s from Brazil, so you’re misunderstanding the kind of football on his resume. I heard he made the Brazilian Men’s National Team (in soccer) but couldn’t play in the World Cup because of injury. At least that’s what his resume says.

He can't finish, he's Finnish.

mike1960
Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.

One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.

Referees are calling an emergency meeting.

TimV

mike1960
Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.

One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.

Referees are calling an emergency meeting.

+1

TimV

mike1960
Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.

One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.

Referees are calling an emergency meeting.

<rimshot>

Tierney is 70. Jim Boeheim, still rolling along, is 78 although Boeheim and his wife, Juli, are way younger, combined, than Bill and Susan Tierney.

billhoward

TimV

mike1960
Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.

One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.

Referees are calling an emergency meeting.

<rimshot>

Tierney is 70. Jim Boeheim, still rolling along, is 78 although Boeheim and his wife, Juli, are way younger, combined, than Bill and Susanz Tierney.

You know the ages of coaches WIVES???

Trotsky must have a database I don't know about.

Really.

1 Virginia (0 - 0) 506 (14) --
2 Maryland (0 - 0) 496 (8) --
3 Georgetown (0 - 0) 442 (1) --
4 Cornell (0 - 0) 438 --
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 411 (3) --
6 Princeton (0 - 0) 387 --
7 Yale (0 - 0) 341 --
8 Duke (0 - 0) 340 --
9 Rutgers (0 - 0)

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mike1960
Really.

1 Virginia (0 - 0) 506 (14) --
2 Maryland (0 - 0) 496 (8) --
3 Georgetown (0 - 0) 442 (1) --
4 Cornell (0 - 0) 438 --
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 411 (3) --
6 Princeton (0 - 0) 387 --
7 Yale (0 - 0) 341 --
8 Duke (0 - 0) 340 --
9 Rutgers (0 - 0)

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Should Cornell be higher or lower, based on their perfect record? I clicked on the link and every single team has an up arrow as compared to the previous poll, so everybody starts on the upswing!

Ivy League announcement says Ivy League Tournament will be May 5 and 7, Friday and Sunday, at:

• Men, at Columbia
• Women, at top-seed school

Ivy League ca. 1/27/23
Additionally, the league has announced the tournament locations for the upcoming season with the women’s event going to the campus of the top seed and the men’s event heading to Columbia University. Both tournaments will be held on Friday, May 5 (semifinals) and Sunday, May 7 (championship games). Ticket information for each event will be available at a later date.

billhoward
Ivy League announcement says Ivy League Tournament will be May 5 and 7, Friday and Sunday, at:

• Men, at Columbia

Oh wow. This is awesome (for me).

Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?

Is it at Princeton?

Trotsky
Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?

Is it at Princeton?

Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.

TimV

Trotsky
Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?

Is it at Princeton?

Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.

+1

And I thought it was just tinnitus.

TimV

Trotsky
Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?

Is it at Princeton?

Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.

Loved just being able to stand on the sideline and watch the game with the same perspective as the players had on the opposite sideline.

Great interview with Gavin Adler on the Lacrosse Allstars podcast. There’s a link to the interview on the Cornell lacrosse Twitter page

jkahn

TimV

Trotsky
Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?

Is it at Princeton?

Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.

Loved just being able to stand on the sideline and watch the game with the same perspective as the players had on the opposite sideline.

Also, you could just walk to a spot where you wanted to view the action. I remember one game, against Brown I think, in which I moved to a spot almost to the restraining line of our offensive zone. There I watched Cornell midfield setup Harry Orr (yes, that Harry Orr) for one of his patented underhand shots, which won the game.

P.S. Gone are the days when a single guy can be a star in two sports and score with slap shots from the blue line and underhand shots from a few feet away from the restraining line.

Scrimmage in a week. First game in two weeks. March is going to be a tough month -- Ohio State, Penn State, Yale, Penn.

Attended Lacrosse scrimmage against Colgate. Did not see Mike Long playing today and Aiden Blake only saw limited playing time. They played 4 15 minute periods with the backups playing the final period. Score was kept by quarters. Final tally according to poster on Laxpower Forum was 11-6 Cornell. The Colgate Goalie was really dialed in as he made some nice saves. First half was fairly even but Cornell really dominated the 3rd period 5-1. Defense was in "shut down" mode during that time either making Colgate run down the shot clock or turning the ball over. Kirst was his usual self as one of his goals was a "no angle' shot. Final period was 1-1 with Cornell's goal coming of off the Stanford transfer Reeder.

Thanks. I'll see them play UAlbany on Saturday. Anybody else going?

Albany got dominated by SU friday night.

Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.

Cornell now ranked #2.

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