Men's Basketball 21-22

I know there was a topic for the pre-season poll, but thought a more general topic was appropriate.

The season begins on Tuesday with a trip to Binghamton (okay, Vestal). Pretty much everyone who played significant minutes the last time there was a Cornell basketball game (612 days ago, as Cornell sports information seems to like to say) is gone, so I have no earthly idea what to expect this year. Only four guys who played regular minutes return. Wing Jordon Jones who played himself into, and then out of, a starting spot as a Freshman, before missing the last half of the season with a injury; Dean Noll, who was the first guard off the bench; Kobe Dickson, who started the last six games after Boeheim was injured and averaged 10p-5R in that stretch; and rotational guard Greg Dolan. Plus 11 guys who have never played a minute for Cornell. Some of those newcomers look intriguing, but this is basically a team reboot.

If the "possible starters" on the press notes is what the starting line-up looks like, it will be short. Four guards and one forward with Jones, Dolan and Dickson starting along with VMI transfer Sarju Patel and Soph. Chris Manon. Earl will likely be trying out a lot of combinations, but that possible starting line-up looks awfully small.

No idea what to expect, but the Ivies have really stratified into two tiers and I'd be happy if the guys were the best of the "have-nots," and some of the freshman and sophomores looked like solid building blocks, especially a couple of the bigs since Earl has six of them. The first two games are at Bingo and Lafayette, neither of which is supposed to be good, so early wins are possible.

Lafayette opens at SU tonight to see what they have.. I know they have a 7ft kid at center

Probably a reflection of the Binghamton defense but Cornell out to an 11-6 lead and pushing the pace hard. Fun so far.

Very hard to imagine Patel at VMI. He probably let his freak flag fly as soon as he got accepted to transfer out.

Cornell playing like there's a 10-second shot clock.

wire to wire. very nice. the team likes the backdoor cuts a little too much. the ones that get through are pretty but too many giveaways. shooting, especially free throw shooting, needs a lot of work. fun start to the season though.

mcgriff has a handle way too good for the level but he can't shoot and cornell got him into foul trouble easily.

Hoops beats Bingo 76-69. Our FT and 3-point shooting was awful, but Binghamton couldn’t hit an outside shot either and we have more talent. Nice to see the guys finally get on the court and play before a pretty good crowd in Vestal.

Good performances by Manon, Jones, and Patel. We went 13-deep on the roster and have lots of guys who can contribute. But if our 3-point and FT shooting doesn’t improve we’ll have trouble beating better teams than Binghamton. But overall a good effort for the 1st game in 18 months with so many kids who’ve never played a D-1 game.

Yeah, Bingo is not very good, but better to win these games than lose them. A lot is going to ride on whether any bigs develop to help Dickson out. 16 offensive rebounds is way too many to give up. A better team will make Cornell pay for that.

Still, 1-0 is better than the alternative.

ugarte

Very hard to imagine Patel at VMI. He probably let his freak flag fly as soon as he got accepted to transfer out.

VMI was probably a break after attending Hargrave Military Academy. Think VMI, but all male and more Baptist.

A cheerful take from 14850.com

“Two-game win streak features victories 612 days apart” for Big Red Hoops

At the half: Cornell 50 Lafayette 42

The guys have looked like the better team, LC has needed a bunch of threes to keep this close.

Cornell is very aggressive on D and has a bunch of guys who can get to the basket.

Final: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?

mountainred
Final: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?

Hello, N.I.T.

billhoward

mountainred
Final: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?

Hello, N.I.T.

Ha, I wish! Meanwhile, Brown leads UNC at the half.

I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

billhoward
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado, about midway between Denver and the Wyoming line. They've been D1 for a couple of minutes.

But nope, it was the UNC that is a basketball arena surrounded by a campus. Brown loses 94-87.

billhoward
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

Hail Petaluma.

mountainred

billhoward
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...

wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).

ugarte

mountainred

billhoward
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...

wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).

Troy

Al DeFlorio

ugarte

mountainred

billhoward
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?

It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...

wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).

Troy

good lord. what happened to me! (i was also thinking about this guy who troy took to ncaa's.

ugarte
good lord. what happened to me! (i was also thinking about this guy who troy took to ncaa's.

What happened? You've fallen under my spell of saying 'Jeff Archer.'

Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

Colgate is not playing a deep rotation, while we’re going about 12 deep and playing a relentless up tempo game. That may wearing them out. Cornell up 10 with 6:00 left in the 2nd half.

scoop85

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

Colgate is not playing a deep rotation, while we’re going about 12 deep and playing a relentless up tempo game. That may wearing them out. Cornell up 10 with 6:00 left in the 2nd half.

Great win 78-68. Colgate used a 7 man rotation, while the Big Red went 11 deep. Raider second half shooting was awful. Some of that was Cornell D; some was just bad shooting.

Cornell wins a stunner, 78-68. I saw Colgate go toe-to-toe with NC State on Saturday, losing by 3 in the last seconds, and thought we’d be overmatched. We’re by no means a perfect team, but Colgate went cold in the 2nd half, helped in part by our defensive pressure.

Really impressive win. The way we played tonight is how Bill Courtney tried to play during his disastrous run as coach. But Brian Earl knows how to coach, and he now has enough players to make it work.

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate 1 for 17!

New names that were heroes for Cornell: Sophs. Sean Hansen (11p, 3A) and Keith Boothby (10P, 9R). Those two were 4 of 5 from behind the arc; the rest of the team 2-20. Boothby really looks like a heck of a shooter.

Al DeFlorio

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate 1 for 17!

There was a point where Colgate was shooting 15% from the field in the second half.

One other huge stat, Cornell stopped giving up offensive rebounds. Colgate had 9 when they built up their double digit lead. They grabbed just four more, and a few of those were very late.

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred

Al DeFlorio

mountainred
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.

17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.

It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.

Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate 1 for 17!

There was a point where Colgate was shooting 15% from the field in the second half.

One other huge stat, Cornell stopped giving up offensive rebounds. Colgate had 9 when they built up their double digit lead. They grabbed just four more, and a few of those were very late.

Yes, that was huge. In the 1st half Colgate had numerous 2nd and 3rd chances and it looked like that would bury us. But we flipped the script in the 2nd half.

Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Penn grad

scoop85

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Penn grad

So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.

George64

scoop85

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Penn grad

So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.

You got me there.

George64

scoop85

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Penn grad

So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.

George64

scoop85

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Game quote from Colgate coach:

"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."

That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.

Penn grad

So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.

He transferred there after his sophomore year at Fordham, and he was interviewed for admission by a friend of his brother. He also went into Wharton during the 1960s, a time when undergraduate business schools were about as popular as skunks at picnics.

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Which undefeated team is closest to you? 📍

(via @redditCBB, jloose128) pic.twitter.com/aIapOf1XLN

— FOX College Hoops (@CBBonFOX) November 17, 2021

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Cornell tweeted a similar sentiment, first 3-0 start in xx years. This is like an 85-year-old whistling past the graveyard.

Cornell eases past Wells College in the first ever meeting between the two schools, 107-48. I normally wouldn't post about what was essentially an exhibition game, but I thought it was cool that all 16 players on Cornell's roster scored at least 2 points. When's the last time that happened? I doubt it has ever happened against a D-1 opponent.

Colgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.

Al DeFlorio
Colgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.

Colgate torches SU’s vaunted 2-3 zone and wins 100-85. Breaks a 54 game losing Streei to the Orange.

any team thats puts up 40 3's and shoots 40% is gonna be tough. and that was after starting 0-11..

scoop85

Al DeFlorio
Colgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.

Colgate torches SU’s vaunted 2-3 zone and wins 100-85. Breaks a 54 game losing streak to the Orange.

oh wow. we have our own 40 game losing streak, even 2009-10 when both of us made it to the Sweet 16. would be really, really nice to catch the Orange in a down year.

djk26
Cornell eases past Wells College in the first ever meeting between the two schools, 107-48. I normally wouldn't post about what was essentially an exhibition game, but I thought it was cool that all 16 players on Cornell's roster scored at least 2 points. When's the last time that happened? I doubt it has ever happened against a D-1 opponent.

I hope Sports Info meant every healthy player on the roster, or every player who suited up, since So. Evan Williams (played a few minutes in the opener and looked promising) and 6-10 Fr. Ryan Kiachian are still on the roster.

Still a cool stat and I can't find a time that it happened. The Big Red beat Alfred St. 107-29 a few years back, but Deion Giddens didn't score in 12 minutes of play.

Penn State tonight at 6:30 on Big Ten network. PSU has beaten Youngstown State and St. Francis but was crushed by UMass. Should be competitive.

Should be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.

mountainred
Should be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.

The test is stacked against Cornell by 14-15 points if the betting line is accurate. But, you know, Colgate took down Syracuse, so there are possibilities.

billhoward

mountainred
Should be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.

The test is stacked against Cornell by 14-15 points if the betting line is accurate. But, you know, Colgate took down Syracuse, so there are possibilities.

Penn St. 41 Cornell 38 at the half. Big Red led by 10 or so midway through the first half, but the Nits hit 4 three pointers down the stretch.

Penn St. closes on a 24-9 run to win 85-74. Game was much closer than that score indicates; Cornell led with 6 to go. Basically, the Nits hit 15 of 34 from behind the arc, while Cornell was just 9 of 32. They also hit 9 of 10 at the line to close the game out.

pSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,

Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.

upprdeck
pSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,

Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.

The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.

Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.

mountainred

upprdeck
pSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,

Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.

The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.

Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.

While the last few minutes were disappointing, this team is awfully fun to watch. We need to do a better job hitting free throws down the stretch, and Penn State caught fire from 3 late (their 15 3’s tied a school record). Kobe Dixon, who played a solid game, missed a shot at the rim that took a bit of the wind out of our sales.

But it’s great to see Cornell basketball back as a legitimate and competitive program.

scoop85

mountainred

upprdeck
pSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,

Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.

The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.

Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.

While the last few minutes were disappointing, this team is awfully fun to watch. We need to do a better job hitting free throws down the stretch, and Penn State caught fire from 3 late (their 15 3’s tied a school record). Kobe Dixon, who played a solid game, missed a shot at the rim that took a bit of the wind out of our sales.

But it’s great to see Cornell basketball back as a legitimate and competitive program.

Without PS making so many 3's that late in the game Cornell likely would have won. In any case, they played very well against a Big Ten team.

93-80 win today over St. Francis PA. Freshman guard Nazir Williams and sophomore forward Keller Boothby stole the show, with 21 and 17 points respectively. Williams plays with great poise for a rookie, and I think he may be Cornell’s best all around player. The Red led by as much as 21, and was never truly threatened although St. Francis played a stronger 2nd half and hit a ton of free throws.

Cornell is now 5-1 for the 1st time since 1967, hard as that may be to believe. Three winnable games ahead before heading to play a very good Virginia Tech team.

Looks like I missed a good one due to holiday travel, but Williams’ stat line impresses and he looked good against Penn St. I still like Jones’s overall game a little better, but that opinion won’t age well if Nazir keeps on this trajectory.

Canisius is pretty good, and tough to beat at home. I think their record is a bit deceiving as they really overscheduled. But it is very winnable. Cornell is better than Coppin State and Keuka lost to Wells.

And I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.

mountainred
Canisius is pretty good, and tough to beat at home. I think their record is a bit deceiving as they really overscheduled. But it is very winnable. Cornell is better than Coppin State and Keuka lost to Wells.

And I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.

Sure, beating Canisius on the road won’t be easy, probably a toss-up. The other 2 should be W’s for sure.

The more I see about college basketball recruiting the more it’s apparent that so many quality D1 talents are missed by college coaches. Hardly anyone recruited Louis Dale and Matt Morgan, and we know what kind of players they were. I also saw on Verbal Commits that Nazir Williams appeared to have no other D1 offers, which is astounding if you see what the guy can do on the court.

mountainred
And I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.

Phillips Exeter post-grad Adam Hinton announced his commitment to Cornell over the weekend. He is the fourth member of Exeter’s 2022 class to commit to a D1 school. [t.co]

— NERR (@NERRHoops) November 23, 2021

I'm pretty sure Duncan Robinson didn't get any D1 offers coming out of Exeter either and he's done ok with the Miami Heat. Maybe Hinton will be similarly good, but hopefully we can skip the transfer to Michigan.

You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.

Al DeFlorio
You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.

That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.

He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought “what the heck” and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.

I didn’t think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn’t play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn’t get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.

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Nice story Scoop

scoop85

Al DeFlorio
You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.

That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.

He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought “what the heck” and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.

I didn’t think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn’t play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn’t get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.

Will we need to add your name to the basketball team’s website as a recruiting consultant? .

Seriously, that’s great work.

mountainred

scoop85

Al DeFlorio
You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.

That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.

He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought “what the heck” and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.

I didn’t think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn’t play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn’t get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.

Will we need to add your name to the basketball team’s website as a recruiting consultant? .

Seriously, that’s great work.

I was a bit surprised that a guy with Cain’s academic and basketball profile wasn’t already known to the program. He played on a high school team in New York’s largest school (AA) classification, and played the AAU circuit. But just as it appears to be the case with Nazir Williams and so many others, many capable players are not heavily recruited.

scoop85

mountainred

scoop85

Al DeFlorio
You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.

That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.

He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought “what the heck” and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.

I didn’t think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn’t play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn’t get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.

Will we need to add your name to the basketball team’s website as a recruiting consultant? .

Seriously, that’s great work.

I was a bit surprised that a guy with Cain’s academic and basketball profile wasn’t already known to the program. He played on a high school team in New York’s largest school (AA) classification, and played the AAU circuit. But just as it appears to be the case with Nazir Williams and so many others, many capable players are not heavily recruited.

Cornell found Louis Dale when Louis Dale sent them a tape IIRC. First-team all-state in Alabama with much-better-than-necessary academic profile and he had to find us.

So if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?

Trotsky
So if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?

i think we're going to be middle of the pack. ivies aren't going to go on a crazy tournament run or anything but not a doormat conference either.

ugarte

Trotsky
So if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?

i think we're going to be middle of the pack. ivies aren't going to go on a crazy tournament run or anything but not a doormat conference either.

9-4 or 8-5 headed into the Ivy slate is likely (figure on losses to VaTech and SU, wins versus Coppin State and the D3, then a split of the remaining three games). The computers currently project this team to go 6-8 in the league and just just miss the Ivy Tournament. But that means a winning record, which could result in a third tier, pay-to-play, post-season tournament bid similar to the one in MM's senior year. And some extra practice for a very young team.

Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30 at the half. Big Red have 12 assists on 16 made FGs so far.

mountainred
Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30

Canisius?

Trotsky

mountainred
Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30

Canisius?

Yes.

mountainred

Trotsky

mountainred
Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30

Canisius?

A downturn since Calvin Murphy was a 3X All-America guard. Roughly the Dryden era. At least I didn't mention Bob Lanier. That was St. Bonaventure.

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mountainred

Trotsky

mountainred
Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30

Canisius?

A downturn since Calvin Murphy was a 3X All-America guard. Roughly the Dryden era.

Except Murphy went to Niagara

89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?

Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.

Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.

mountainred
89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?

Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.

Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.

No argument from me about your last point. Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he’s passing that test with flying colors.

He’s taken a group of unheralded recruits and put them in a system that is maximizing their talents, as well as the depth on the roster. I can’t recall a college team that regularly goes so deep into the bench, with no evident drop off in performance.

This team is fun to watch, and for those folks on the Forum who haven’t caught a game this year you should check them out.

I really wonder why some of the analytics like BPI had Can. such a big fav in this game.. they had played no one and struggled to 2 wins where Cornell has play 3-4 teams with a pulse and won on the road as well.. easy money until they catch up.

mountainred
89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?

Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.

Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.

I'll settle for correlation.

scoop85
Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he’s passing that test with flying colors.

Right. You can't turn a program around in a year or two (Harkness needed 4 if turn around means NCAA championship) but you expect the coach of a major Cornell sport would show progress by around year five or you wonder if it's ever going to happen. This is Earl's fifth season plus the lost Covid year.

billhoward

scoop85
Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he’s passing that test with flying colors.

Right. You can't turn a program around in a year or two (Harkness needed 4 if turn around means NCAA championship) but you expect the coach of a major Cornell sport would show progress by around year five or you wonder if it's ever going to happen. This is Earl's fifth season plus the lost Covid year.

It was just that year 4 -- the first season without Matt Morgan -- was such a disappointment, especially during the ten game losing streak. I'd watch that team and routinely think it wasn't going to come together for Earl. But he seems to have found the secret sauce this season. Sure, none of the wins are exactly against Duke, but finding a way to win games they should win is great to see.

really if the PSu kids doesnt go like 6-7 from 3 they would be undefeated.

Best win was against Colgate who is favored to win the Patriot League.

Guys host 1-10 Coppin State tonight, so they should win but the Eagles' last three losses have been by 3, 1, 2, and 12 (v. a really good Bona squad). They are going to break through against someone. Amazingly, this will be their 11th road game so far this season; life in the MEAC is tough.

Coppin St. plays fast and Cornell so far has played even faster, so watch tonight's final score be something like 43-40.

no idea how Coppin is though.. lost by 60 20 35 20 as well. shoot 28% from 3 and avg 63 per game.. they played Can and lost by 1 and we were up 15 most of that game.they probably should have beat Canisius though

If you believe the computers, Coppin St. opened the season playing awful basketball and have improved to "bad but feisty." They have to be tired of travel though. They were in Buffalo the day before Thanksgiving, traveled to North Carolina for a Saturday game, then back up to Olean and Ithaca this week.

Red up 25-10 mid-first

mountainred
Coppin St. plays fast and Cornell so far has played even faster, so watch tonight's final score be something like 43-40.

55-35 at the half

Impressive team. Dare to dream here?

Very nice start to the season. Yale, Princeton and Harvard will be tough teams to face once the Ivy League season kicks in.

if they shoot 3s like that often they will have a shot vs anyone, too bad they went cold vs PSU when it mattered. but again they had the game well in hand and got sloppy and let it get back to where a couple plays mattered. got to clean that up

Have to say, this team being competitive and fun was not on my radar this year, and it's been a really present surprise. Hope they can keep it up going into Ivy play, as I'm still somewhat skeptical of their quality of opponent thus far.

7-1 with W's over Kenpom #'s: 314 (Binghamton), 291 (Lafayette), 132 (Colgate), N/A (Wells College), 226 (St. Frances), 276 (Canisius), 315 (Coppin St.)

semsox
Have to say, this team being competitive and fun was not on my radar this year, and it's been a really present surprise. Hope they can keep it up going into Ivy play, as I'm still somewhat skeptical of their quality of opponent thus far.

7-1 with W's over Kenpom #'s: 314 (Binghamton), 291 (Lafayette), 132 (Colgate), N/A (Wells College), 226 (St. Frances), 276 (Canisius), 315 (Coppin St.)

Comparable to the men's hockey team's impressive start against a similarly weak schedule.

Cornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000

Keuka      38  26  --   64
Cornell    65  57  --  122

Program record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.

mountainred
Program record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.

Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.

scoop85

mountainred
Program record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.

Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.

Please tell me that Jones missing the game was purely precautionary.

billhoward
Cornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000

Keuka      38  26  --   64
Cornell    65  57  --  122

This was like a scrimmage game where the varsity used to play the freshman team.

mountainred

scoop85

mountainred
Program record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.

Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.

Please tell me that Jones missing the game was purely precautionary.

Not sure why he was out, but agree with your sentiments

Ken711

billhoward
Cornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000

Keuka      38  26  --   64
Cornell    65  57  --  122

This was like a scrimmage game where the varsity used to play the freshman team.

At Cornell in years past, one needs ask: Great. But who won?

i guess we find out tonight. Best chance tonight is that VT does not score much so perhaps a faster pace game plays to cornells strength. cant shoot 25% like the PSU game to have a chance.