Cornell Football 2021

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Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

George64

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Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

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RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

Ken711

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RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.

nshapiro

Ken711

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RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.

I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

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Ken711

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RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.

I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.

maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.

its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.

maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.

nshapiro

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Ken711

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RichH

Ken711

Swampy

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.

and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.

I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.

maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.

its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.

maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.

I agree that every organization should regularly be doing self-assessments. and I accept your statement that the quality of the department goes beyond on-field performance. I am just curious how your four lines contain three statements that suggest what to do to examine how athletics is doing, and one statement that unequivocally states it is dysfunctional? I would not be surprised if you are correct, but I don't feel qualified to make that comment. I expect that you are way more connected than I am...an alumnus who has not been to campus since covid.

Swampy
Three thoughts on how to resolve some of the differences of opinion.

1. The consensus here seems to be that Columbia did the right thing by bringing in outside experts to evaluate the football operation. The question then becomes did Columbia do the right thing? By what criteria? And if so, why doesn't Cornell do the same?

2. I don't even know if Athletics is also in charge of intramurals. But I can really see evaluating athletics at a university by the number of students who participate in organized athletics. Also, by how many unrecruited, ordinary students can enroll and play intercollegiate athletics, perhaps on club teams.

3. The benefits of Cornell's membership in the Ivy League go far beyond athletics. But athletics are the core of the League itself. If so, then the practice of giving nothing more than lip service to fielding teams far below par for the League in its core sports is a hypocritical disgrace.

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It could be a simple as money.. maybe its more than just bringing a coach/coaches. maybe its the other things that make a team better like facilities/training staff/environment/ staffing in non coaching positions..

Just like big time football.. Ala/clem/Ga. Yhey not only pay for the coaches we see they pay for grad assistants and scouting and food prep and recovery and dozens of other positions

Did Columbia do more than bring in a new coach?

Cop at Lynah
Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department

RichH
Mike Eruzione

RichH

We play hockey every damn year at “The Most Famous Arena in Sports” and our opponents take care of the hosting and logistics every single time. I’m so sick of hearing the Boston Accented Disembodied voice over the PA and Mike Eruzione taking bows with Rhett dancing on our incompetent faces.

This Athletic Department can’t seem to do anything except install video scoreboards, pay for a new logo nobody asked for, and knock down condemned grandstands.

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look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?

I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.

Swampy

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look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?

I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.

Surprised they didn't propose "Punt" or "Turnover."

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

Ken711

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Swampy

Ken711

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can’t imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell’s record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration’s apparent indifference.

If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.

Swampy

Ken711

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can’t imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell’s record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration’s apparent indifference.

If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.

jtwcornell91

Ken711

George64

CU2007

George64

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.

I still feel sorry for Jack Fouts (whose name I had to look up), the offensive coordinator who got promoted to replace Baughan and then was fired after one 4-6 (2-5 Ivy) season. Wikipedia tells me he had a pretty good run at his alma mater Ohio Wesleyan before that.

Ken711
It's even sadder think that a one 4-6 record resulted in his firing, when Archer has only "achieved" a 4-6 record twice in 8 years, which were his highest finishes in those 8 long years!

Trotsky

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.

A literal zero attendance would draw some attention.

"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.

"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?

A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.\"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.

"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?

A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

RichH

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Ken711

RichH

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.

nshapiro

Ken711

RichH

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.

Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'

Ken711

nshapiro

Ken711

RichH

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.

Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'

True, let's hope Andy retires off into the sunset when he contract expires in June 2022.

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

Swampy

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

Why change what works?

billhoward

Swampy

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

Why change what works?

It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.

Cop at Lynah
Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

jtwcornell91

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

Trotsky

jtwcornell91

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

IINM Ben is 9-0-2. That's better than Harkness.

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

CU2007

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Trotsky
IINM Ben is 9-0-2.

jtwcornell91

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

Ken711

CU2007

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

CU2007

Swampy

CU2007

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

Ken711
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Al DeFlorio
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

billhoward

Ken711
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.

Meanwhile, get while, Mike.

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Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

scoop85

Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it’s a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he’d get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

CU2007

scoop85

Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it’s a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he’d get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

And most would settle for “competitive” or “not embarassing” as opposed to a powerhouse. Bâby steps and all that.

David Harding
The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to

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Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

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Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

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Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

Swampy

Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

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Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

“Long-term temporary,” as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?

upprdeck
well. look at society now.. seems like the civil war is still going strong around many parts.

Al DeFlorio

Swampy

Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

“Long-term temporary,” as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?

Built in 1953. WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

David Harding

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Ken711

David Harding

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

David Harding

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.

Shortage of tradespeople.

David Harding

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Ken711

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

David Harding

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.

Shortage of tradespeople.

Yep.

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George64
Here’s an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —

David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program’s history. . . Last year’s team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won’t be tolerated for long.

Except at Cornell!
.

Ken711

George64
Here’s an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —

David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program’s history. . . Last year’s team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won’t be tolerated for long.

Except at Cornell!
.

Or Andy Noel retires, which thankfully happens this summer. This is it for Archer this Fall, with his protector gone, it's finally produce a winning record with the football program or see ya.