Cornell Football 2021

From an article in today's New Haven Register:
"During a year without competition, and long periods of being separated from players, Yale coach Tony Reno said the program and team improved. All but one Yale player who would have been a senior in 2020 elected to take a semester off during the pandemic to delay graduation and return to the team this season."
I wonder how many Cornell players who would have been seniors last year did the same.
Yale is picked to finish second in the Ivy coaches' preseason poll.

If you look at our roster, there are several 5th years, including the starting QB

dbilmes
From an article in today's New Haven Register:
"During a year without competition, and long periods of being separated from players, Yale coach Tony Reno said the program and team improved. All but one Yale player who would have been a senior in 2020 elected to take a semester off during the pandemic to delay graduation and return to the team this season."
I wonder how many Cornell players who would have been seniors last year did the same.
Yale is picked to finish second in the Ivy coaches' preseason poll.

21 5th year seniors on the roster.

Season starts today vs VMI at 2 on ESPN+

Scoreless halfway through the 1st period, as Cornell bailed out on a VMI holding call on a pass that would’ve given them a 1st and goal at the Cornell 1 yard line.

The camerawork is atrocious. It’s panning out too far, and they’re missing the end of certain plays as the camera isn’t catching up to the pass. You’d think with SU and IC pumping out graduates from 2 of the finest communications schools in the country they could find competent camera people.

Based on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.

Trotsky
Based on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.

VMI has converted a 3rd and 19, 3rd and 13, and now a 2nd and 21. We have no answer for the passing game, as their receivers are wide open, and their backup freshman QB looks like Pat Mahomes against us.

Remind me, when does hockey season start?

Kenney - Glover 45 (most of it YAC). 7-7 early 2nd quarter.

scoop85

Trotsky
Based on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.

VMI has converted a 3rd and 19, 3rd and 13, and now a 2nd and 21. We have no answer for the passing game, as their receivers are wide open, and their backup freshman QB looks like Pat Mahomes against us.

Remind me, when does hockey season start?

41 days: October 29, vs UAF

609 days since the last game.

Going for it on 4th and 2 on your own 34-yard line. Not smart at all. Maybe on their 34-yard line.

Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.

scoop85
Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.

Play-calling, too.

Punting is absolutely horrible. You mean they couldn't even recruit an adequate punter.

Al DeFlorio

scoop85
Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.

Play-calling, too.

Yes, play calling is laughable at times. Down 10 in the 4th with about 5 minutes left, inside their 25, on 3rd down we run up the gut to set up a FG attempt for a senior who’s never tried one at the college level. He predictably misses it left, and out the window is our last real chance.

Nick Null is doing pretty well at Monmouth after a year of punting for Wyoming.

Everyone knows the key to a successful Cornell football season (really anyone’s) is good punting. Today’s was pathetic. Not auspicious.

Since Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?

Trotsky
Since Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?

I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.

jtwcornell91

Trotsky
Since Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?

I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.

The teams when I was an undergrad would have been better served punting on first down.

jtwcornell91
I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.

Always quick kick: they'll never see it coming!

From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

Scersk '97
From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..

What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.

upprdeck

Scersk '97
From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..

What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.

Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.

Al DeFlorio

upprdeck

Scersk '97
From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..

What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.

Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.

This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent’s 41 or something like that where a punt doesn’t really help field position as much and a failure isn’t catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.

Maybe Archer input the wrong 35 yard line!

I think I need to learn to like this type of football!

George64
I think I need to learn to like this type of football!

We any good?

4-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant ‘cuse team.

CU2007

Al DeFlorio

upprdeck

Scersk '97
From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..

What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.

Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.

This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent’s 41 or something like that where a punt doesn’t really help field position as much and a failure isn’t catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.

Agreed, using "analytics" as an excuse is pretty sad. Dumb call by Archer.

Ken711

CU2007

Al DeFlorio

upprdeck

Scersk '97
From the Sun article:

“I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance,” Archer said. “The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice.”

I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.

prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..

What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.

Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.

This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent’s 41 or something like that where a punt doesn’t really help field position as much and a failure isn’t catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.

Agreed, using "analytics" as an excuse is pretty sad. Dumb call by Archer.

Shit, if you go by analytics, neither Cornell nor the NY Jets would step foot on the field.

When sports people bring up analytics I always get the feeling it's like politicians bringing up science. "I want to see your applicable STEM degree before you even open your mouth."

George64
4-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant ‘cuse team.

Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.

ugarte

George64
4-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant ‘cuse team.

Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.

The Syracuse game was in Ithaca

scoop85

ugarte

George64
4-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant ‘cuse team.

Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.

The Syracuse game was in Ithaca

whoops. i caught that and changed one of the references to it being on the road but didn't realize that i'd typed a redundant sentence and missed the other one.

Scersk '97

jtwcornell91
I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.

Always quick kick: they'll never see it coming!

Walt Harris approves.

at Yale today as we play the annual game: close defeat or brutal rout?

Trotsky
at Yale today as we play the annual game: close defeat or brutal rout?

I go with a rout.

Anyone watch Harvard-Brown last night. Ugly.

Looking good on the first drive -- 3 first downs already.

Edit: 4

We are 11 point underdogs per ESPN.

Cornell has 136 players on the roster, including 51 seniors.

Drive ends with an End Zone INT.

Never change, guys.

We really do have a dreadful playbook. Execution is even worse.

Yale is almost as screwed up, thankfully. So far, at least.

You're not going to win football games if you can't punt the way Cornell has with 28 yd punts.

First half, Yale 9-3. Close game other than Cornell giving up a 35-yard TD pass.

Start of the second half, Yale has third-and-20 at midfield, two plays later they're in the end zone. 16-3, Yale.

Five minutes into the fourth quarter, Cornell gets first-and-10 at the Yale 11, draws two false starts, pushed back to third-and-21, then intercepted on the 1-yard line. #GroundhogDay

Late in the game: Really nice sequence for Cornell with 90 seconds to play to draw within one TD, helped by a Yale personal foul, get score to 16-10. Cornell's bad luck returns on the onside kick that follows -- not just recovered by Yale but run back for a TD. 23-10.

Game's effectively over but ... Cornell marches the length of the field, aided by multiple Yale fouls and a completed pass to the 2-yard-line then a rush for a TD and it's 23-17, Would have been an amazing finish were Yale's lead in the final minute one not two TDs.

Final, Yale 23-17, not as bad as 16-3 early in the third quarter. Still: Cornell, Oh and two.

16-3, as Yale marches down the field with the opening 2nd half kickoff. We had them at 3rd and 20 from about the 45, but after a 16 yard completion on 3rd down, The Yale receiver stretches for a 1st down on 4th and 4. Next play they hit an easy TD pass.

We are not an awful team. But the above scenario is an example of why we are eminently mediocre, with no real change in sight.

This darkness got to give!

CAS
This darkness got to give!

It will once Archer is let go.

lol cornell with a nice (penalty-aided) drive to pull within 6 with 1:15 remaining but Yale scoops the onside kick and runs it in

Yale returned a late onside kick for a touchdown in 2019. You'd think we'd learn how to prevent that. There must be a freshman QB who can pass better than Kenney. Put him in. Give him experience. We lose anyway.

David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there’s a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men’s soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They’re now 5-1-1.

George64

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there’s a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men’s soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They’re now 5-1-1.

after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.

ugarte

George64

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there’s a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men’s soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They’re now 5-1-1.

after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.

That may be so, but I think a few of the Ivies will be pretty good. Yale was the preseason favorite, and some other league teams have been pretty good in the early season.

For those lamenting the state of the (American) football program, what John Smith has done for the soccer program is Exhibit A in program building. When he came is 6 years ago the program was a train wreck, bereft of D1 talent. His 1st year the team won a single game. By year 2 the team was competitive, and by year 3 was a legitimate threat to win the league. He ramped up recruiting and installed an attacking, aggressive style that is enticing to high-end players and is a joy to watch. If Smith stays around we should be an upper division team for years to come.

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he’s getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.

That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.

Scoop, that’s an excellent example of what’s possible when a dynamic coach leads a moribund program. Wish Andy (& his superiors) would pay heed.

billhoward

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he’s getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.

That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.

Nine years heading the program where you can't win even 1/3 of the games played is a large enough sample size to say he ISN'T the right coach.

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Well, you know, we play such a difficult schedule...

George64

Ken711
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %)

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there’s a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men’s soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They’re now 5-1-1.

Wait. I might actually get to see a win in person?

I'm not getting my hopes up. It's Homecoming at Bucknell.

One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others. I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent. Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges. I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently). My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots. Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies. In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete. That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started. The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.

rss77
One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others. I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent. Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges. I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently). My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots. Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies. In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete. That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started. The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.

I get your point but Dartmouth isn't in the Big Three, and doesn't really have a great rivalry, yet they seem to have been able to maintain a winning program.

I think Cornell must practice illegal procedure. This silliness of lining up to run a play, then having everyone turn to the sideline to get a different play, then dancing around to move half the team to a new place on the field, and finally starting to move too soon (illegal procedure) or too late (delay of game) is just ridiculous.

40 yards of penalties in first quarter.

Al DeFlorio
I think Cornell must practice illegal procedure. This silliness of lining up to run a play, then having everyone turn to the sideline to get a different play, then dancing around to move half the team to a new place on the field, and finally starting to move too soon (illegal procedure) or too late (delay of game) is just ridiculous.

40 yards of penalties in first quarter.

Poor coaching.

Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Princeton too

scoop85

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Princeton too

Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Princeton too

Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.

Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.

blackwidow

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Princeton too

Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.

Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.

Or hire a competent coaching staff.

Was expecting much more this season because of momentum of 2019 and the super seniors. The defense just can't get off the field (Allowing too many 3rd down conversions and a key 4th down) and a mistake-prone offense. Watched the Harvard Holy Cross highlights-Harvard looks scary good.

Meanwhile our Futbol team just dominated Penn in Philly, 3-0 to go 6-1-1 overall, 1-0 in the league.

rss77
Was expecting much more this season because of momentum of 2019 and the super seniors. The defense just can't get off the field (Allowing too many 3rd down conversions and a key 4th down) and a mistake-prone offense. Watched the Harvard Holy Cross highlights-Harvard looks scary good.

Rushing for a grand total of 34 yards says it all. There's a good chance this team wins maybe 1 or 2 games at best. Andy had better be looking at his list of potential of coaching replacements, assuming he has one.

One way or another, this darkness got to give. I thought you play to win the game. Guess Andy & Archer have other ideas.

Ken711

blackwidow

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711

scoop85

Ken711
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!

David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)

Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.

They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.

Princeton too

Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.

Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.

Or hire a competent coaching staff.

Maybe, but i personally would love to see the program getting discontinued like pton's sprint football. I assume my view is highly unpopular though.

With the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.

CAS
With the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.

I agree.

CAS
With the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.

Yep. The coaching is really bad from recruiting to play calling to game management. Just a complete disaster of a football program. Truly embarrassing for the school and the athletic department.

blackwidow
Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.

We did. It's just really slow-walked.

i try to be generous but there's no way around it this program is in the crapper and it's probably time to start looking around for a better staff. hard to fire alumni though.

I was at the game. Ugly.

Our rushers didn't understand the concept of running downhill. We got one decent rush early on by sweeping outside. After that, Bucknell was able to stop that, every damn time we tried it. The running backs would dance around rather than run through obvious holes, and lose yards in the process. At one point late in the 2nd quarter, we had -4 yards rushing. In the middle of the 3rd we had +20. We finished with +34 yards rushing. And most of those seemed that they were by the QB.

Our second or third possession we had 5 penalties. I joked that we had more possession time because we ran one or two extra plays in every 3 down series.

Our defense played reasonably well in the first half, but in the second half Bucknell changed their passing scheme to short outs, and our secondary was still playing against the deep pass. And the defense didn't figure it out for the rest of the game. That's why we gave up 2 TDs in the 4th quarter.

Hockey can't come soon enough.

Cornell (0-3) travels to Harvard (3-0) this Saturday. For those who believe Cornell never won in football, Cornell beat Harvard 11 straight times from 1986-1996. Harvard has won 16 of the last 19 games. How times have changed…

CAS
Cornell (0-3) travels to Harvard (3-0) this Saturday. For those who believe Cornell never won in football, Cornell beat Harvard 11 straight times from 1986-1996. Harvard has won 16 of the last 19 games. How times have changed…

Yes, the times have certainly changed. Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.

Same in lacrosse-they made a great hire when they lured the long time Notre Dame defensive coordinator Gerry Byrne to Cambridge.

Ken711
Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.

Could they care less? Seems to me that they couldn't (possibly) care less.

Agree Scersk - where else could one be 19-54 & still coaching

Scersk '97

Ken711
Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.

Could they care less? Seems to me that they couldn't (possibly) care less.

Mandatory.

Trotsky

Scersk '97

Ken711
Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.

Could they care less? Seems to me that they couldn't (possibly) care less.

Mandatory.

I love Weird Al. Maybe he can coach this football team when Archer is fired.

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4th and 16 with the game on the line and they have the right-handed QB roll to his left so he has to make the most awkward throw possible.

Can we please discontinue the program? Im in too much pain.

CU2007
4th and 16 with the game on the line and they have the right-handed QB roll to his left so he has to make the most awkward throw possible.

As opposed to last week? First and goal on the 2 with time running out and they throw a screen that wasn't working all day. Then the QB fumbles it into the end zone on the next play.

And Bucknell got shut out by Penn today. We truly are bad.

Correction: Bucknell was shut out by Lafayette. Penn shutout Lehigh.

Converting only two of twenty third and fourth down attempts makes it impossible to sustain drives.

Brown beat Colgate next opponent 31-10, maybe there's hope for Cornell's 1st win of the season next week in their Friday night game against the Red Raiders.

blackwidow
Can we please discontinue the program? Im in too much pain.

Gotta be a money sink, right? Dump it and put the savings into hockey.

probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

upprdeck
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

Net? It's expensive AF.

Trotsky

upprdeck
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

Net? It's expensive AF.

The won't drop Ivy football unless they want to drop the "Ivy League brand".

that football is so important to boosters makes it even more surprising that it has been so bad for so long

Trotsky

upprdeck
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

Net? It's expensive AF.

15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it’s bigger than many academic departments.

George64

Trotsky

upprdeck
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

Net? It's expensive AF.

15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it’s bigger than many academic departments.

If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program

Ken711

Trotsky

upprdeck
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football

Net? It's expensive AF.

The won't drop Ivy football unless they want to drop the "Ivy League brand".

That is the key right there. Ivy Football is Cornell's loss leader.