Cornell lacrosse 2022

14-11 Yale final. Cornell closed to 12-11 with about 5 minutes left but that was it. Was only following on livestats so I leave it to others to elaborate.

ugarte
14-11 Yale final. Cornell closed to 12-11 with about 5 minutes left but that was it. Was only following on livestats so I leave it to others to elaborate.

You saw more of the game than people watching the live feed. Sunspots? Russia attack on ESPN satellites? Gad, that was a terrible video feed. Plus you lost the botto tenth of the screen to ESPN promos.

Okay, Cornell played well enough, if not well enough to win. Adler showed he can shut down the best attackers of 2022. Pray we face a team with one stud rather than 3 good not great shooters. And that we're not in the Maryland side of the bracket.

The second period was the difference. Yale outscored us 3-0, with one of the goals being a 60-yard shot into an empty goal. We had a stretch of 14 straight shots that either were saved or missed the goal completely. We ended up having a 22-minute scoreless stretch.

Had faceoff advantage early but Paquette kept stoning close-in Cornell shots so couldn't grab a lead. Then the faceoffs turned the other way, making a complete comeback difficult. Kirst blanked on eight shots. Need more out of middies, including second line. Hope we're not screwed Sunday night.

Missed the game tonight because I had a thing. Hard to imagine Kirst missing 8 shots! Let's hope we get in the dance anyway.

We lost by 3, and we were very sloppy. I’ll be curious to see our unforced turnover numbers. For some reason, they tried to beat Yale’s 10-man ride by passing the length of the field. I think it never worked.

Yale’s Chris Fake got revenge on Jake Pulver’s goal against Yale in the 2018 ILT. Fake, a defenseman, scored a goal with a shot from near GLE by the Yale goal.

Also, IIRC, Fake was guarding Jeff Teat that day. But somehow a short-stick midfielder switched to cover Teat, and Jeff methodically scored a goal.

This was my first time seeing this year’s Red in person. In recent past years when we went far into the national tournament, we always had at least one superstar on the offense. Seibald, Pannell, & Teat could all make their own goals seemingly at will. This year we have Piatelli and Kirst, but I don’t think Piatelli is that kind of player, and Kirst needs to mature more. I’d be happy without a superstar, but then we’d need more balance than we currently have.

When is NC$$ selection?

Trotsky
When is NC$$ selection?

Sunday evening, I believe.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2022 11:28AM by Swampy.

Trotsky
I have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years. I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I’ve established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he’s actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

RichH

Trotsky
I have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years. I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I’ve established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he’s actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

Back when the UMass job came open, resulting in the Carvel hire, we were all talking here on the forum about Schafer going out to interview. You want a raise? I'm guessing Andy made you do your own legwork.

RichH

Trotsky
I have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years. I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I’ve established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he’s actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

I think you're right.

Root for Yale in tomorrow's Ivy final, Cornell will be #7 in RPI with a Yale win and #8 with a Penn win (Duke moves into #7 in that case).

CU77
Root for Yale in tomorrow's Ivy final, Cornell will be #7 in RPI with a Yale win and #8 with a Penn win (Duke moves into #7 in that case).

"To hell, to hell with Pennsylvania..."

RichH

Trotsky
I have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years. I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I’ve established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he’s actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

Maybe the simpler answer is the reason why: Schafer is the best coach for Cornell over the long haul.

NCAA 2022 lacrosse tournament selection show: Sunday 5/8/22, 2:30PM [c[s]hanged from 9 pm[/s]] EDT, ESPNU. 18 teams selected


Wednesday 5/11 — 2 play-in games, winners meet the 1 (Maryland) and 2 seeds.

First round — Saturday/Sunday 5/4-15 at home schools of higher seed

Quarterfinal — Saturday 5/21 at Hofstra, Sunday 5/22 at Ohio Stadium (Columbus)

Semifinal — Saturday 5/28, East Hartford (Rentschler Field)

Final — Monday 5/30, 1 pm EDT

billhoward
NCAA 2022 lacrosse tournament selection show: Sunday 5/8/22, 9 pm EDT, ESPNU. 18 teams selected


Wednesday 5/11 — 2 play-in games, winners meet the 1 (Maryland) and 2 seeds.

First round — Saturday/Sunday 5/4-15 at home schools of higher seed

Quarterfinal — Saturday 5/21 at Hofstra, Sunday 5/22 at Ohio Stadium (Columbus)

Semifinal — Saturday 5/28, East Hartford (Rentschler Field)

Final — Monday 5/30, 1 pm EDT

Technically the 1st round games are at the 8 seeded teams since the remaining 10 teams are unseeded.

If we had been told at the start of the year that Cornell would finish the regular season 11-4, RPI #8, with wins over RPI #3 and #6, I think we all would have been pretty ecstatic about that.

Final RPI:

1. Maryland 0.6920
2. Georgetown 0.6536
3. Princeton 0.6519
4. Penn 0.6514
5. Rutgers 0.6294
6. Yale 0.6235
7. Duke 0.6121
8. Cornell 0.6103
9. Virginia 0.6051
10. Brown 0.6038
11. Notre Dame 0.6019
12. BU 0.5990
13. Richmond 0.5936
14. Harvard 0.5863
15. OSU 0.5863

1. Maryland v. (Vermont / Manhattan)
8. Brown v. Virginia

5. Princeton v. Boston University
4. Yale v. Saint Joseph’s

3. Penn v. Richmond
6. Rutgers v. Harvard

7. Cornell v. Ohio State
2. Georgetown v. (Delaware / Robert Morris)

Rematch in Ithaca this weekend!!

Five Ivies in!

In and seeded! And no ACC team gets a seed!

CU77
In and seeded! And no ACC team gets a seed!

Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk
Maryland's still ACC to me.

Duke OUT! Notre Dame OUT! Harvard IN! Six Ivies!

CU77
Duke OUT! Notre Dame OUT! Harvard IN! Six Ivies!

Unbelievable. What an opportunity in front of us. If Cornell can play in this tournament the way they played the first half against Princeton, this team can make some serious waves. I hope the coaches know the magic words.

SCHEDULE CHANGE

The @CornellLacrosse first round game against Ohio State has been moved up to 2:30 pm on Sunday at the request of the NCAA. The game will still be televised on @ESPNU. #YellCornell pic.twitter.com/qBoAoXGzis

— Cornell Big Red (@CornellSports) May 9, 2022

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Now let's not have a repeat of 2008 ...

CU77
Now let's not have a repeat of 2008 ...

2009 and Syracuse is so burned into my brain, I kind of forget how we got laid low in 2008. Also in every year since 1977 and the last national title.

This game has me concerned (like any game would.) Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake. Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference. I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

djk26
This game has me concerned (like any game would.) Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake. Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference. I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

There were hurt feelings because Cornell's story does not refer to them as The Ohio State University. So they have added advantage.

If I read the bracket correctly, we would not play Maryland until the final game. So there is that. Cornell's path to the championship appears to be past:

Round of 16 - TOSU
Quarterfinals - Georgetown (or Delaware, Robbie Morris, possibly Rich Strike)
Semifinals - winner from Princeton/BU Yale/St Joseph winner
Finals - Maryland most likely

I didn't see which bracket goes to Hofstra for the quarterfinals and which to TOSU stadium. Guessing Maryland side of the bracket gets Hofstra while Georgetown (and Cornell and Ohio State) side gets the Ohio location. Is that correct?

djk26
This game has me concerned (like any game would.) Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake. Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference. I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

Ohio State has a lot of good shooters, and outside shots have given us major trouble in the last few games. We don't press out at 15 yards. Usually around 10-12, and I don't feel that we're protecting our goalie well enough when we do that. The last time we played TOSU (if they must), we got out on shooters and had stickheads on hands a lot. I hope we do that again.

If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

billhoward

djk26
This game has me concerned (like any game would.) Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake. Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference. I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

There were hurt feelings because Cornell's story does not refer to them as The Ohio State University. So they have added advantage.

If I read the bracket correctly, we would not play Maryland until the final game. So there is that. Cornell's path to the championship appears to be past:

Round of 16 - TOSU
Quarterfinals - Georgetown (or Delaware, Robbie Morris, possibly Rich Strike)
Semifinals - winner from Princeton/BU Yale/St Joseph winner
Finals - Maryland most likely

I didn't see which bracket goes to Hofstra for the quarterfinals and which to TOSU stadium. Guessing Maryland side of the bracket gets Hofstra while Georgetown (and Cornell and Ohio State) side gets the Ohio location. Is that correct?

Put Adler on Rich Strike.

The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

billhoward

CU77
Now let's not have a repeat of 2008 ...

2009 and Syracuse is so burned into my brain, I kind of forget how we got laid low in 2008.

Cornell was the #8 seed, and the opponent was unheralded OSU. The first goal of the game was scored by the OSU goalie. Made Sports Center Top Ten. It was downhill from there. Cornell lost 15-7.

Here's the printable version of the bracket.

The top quarter (including Maryland and Brown) and bottom quarter (including Georgetown and Cornell) of the draw advance to quarterfinals in Columbus; the other two QFs (where the other four Ivy teams are) are at Hofstra.

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

mike1960

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

scoop85

mike1960

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

My bad. I thought the win against Duke was in a tournament.

scoop85

mike1960

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

So much for that argument.

Three of those final six games were against Syracuse (4-10 record) and Marquette (4-11). ND had a bizarre schedule. Six of twelve games against fellow ACC teams. But there are only four ACC teams besides ND. Three games against B1G...losing two (one to OSU) and beating only Michigan (7-8 record). Two against Big East, beating Marquette and losing to Georgetown. And none against Ivies. Finished 0-4 against teams making NCAAs.

Beat only two teams with over .500 records: UNC and Duke. Signature wins (two) were over Duke. And when the committee had to narrow six teams down to the last four at-large slots, Duke was the first to get dumped, having lost to Syracuse, Jacksonville and Loyola. ND lost their NCAA bid on the field.

billhoward
2009 and Syracuse is so burned into my brain

LA LA LA NEVER HAPPENED

Al DeFlorio

scoop85

mike1960

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

So much for that argument.

Three of those final six games were against Syracuse (4-10 record) and Marquette (4-11). ND had a bizarre schedule. Six of twelve games against fellow ACC teams. But there are only four ACC teams besides ND. Three games against B1G...losing two (one to OSU) and beating only Michigan (7-8 record). Two against Big East, beating Marquette and losing to Georgetown. And none against Ivies. Finished 0-4 against teams making NCAAs.

Beat only two teams with over .500 records: UNC and Duke. Signature wins (two) were over Duke. And when the committee had to narrow six teams down to the last four at-large slots, Duke was the first to get dumped, having lost to Syracuse, Jacksonville and Loyola. ND lost their NCAA bid on the field.

Did Duke get screwed?

Don't get me wrong, nothing would make me happier. But my Eighties Brain can't wrap itself around a reality where the Mid-Atlantics are not just evaluated fairly but perhaps are even at a disadvantage?

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

I agree that results on the field is all that matters. And whether those results come early in the season or later (starting out hot versus making a late run) shouldn’t matter. But looking at these teams’ full bodies of work purely from the perspective of on-field results, Duke was 7th in RPI, Notre Dame 11th. OSU is 14th and Harvard is 15th. I am more a hockey fan than a lax fan, but I know that in hockey people would be livid if Cornell were 7th in the Pairwise and got passed over for a 15th-ranked team that didn’t make its conference tournament. What is the justification for totally ignoring RPI in lax? Smaller sample size of games, maybe—but why should the human eye be a better judge of this small sample?

BearLover

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

I agree that results on the field is all that matters. And whether those results come early in the season or later (starting out hot versus making a late run) shouldn’t matter. But looking at these teams’ full bodies of work purely from the perspective of on-field results, Duke was 7th in RPI, Notre Dame 11th. OSU is 14th and Harvard is 15th. I am more a hockey fan than a lax fan, but I know that in hockey people would be livid if Cornell were 7th in the Pairwise and got passed over for a 15th-ranked team that didn’t make its conference tournament. What is the justification for totally ignoring RPI in lax? Smaller sample size of games, maybe—but why should the human eye be a better judge of this small sample?

The fatal flaw in RPI, in my opinion, is it does not look at whom you beat and to whom you lost. It looks at your overall won-lost record, the won-lost records of your opponents, and the records of their opponents. A win over Georgetown and a loss to Syracuse has the same effect as a win over Syracuse and a loss to Georgetown. Doesn't matter which games you won and which you lost, just the sum of wins and the sum of losses.

What RPI does provide is a reasonable, but not precise (especially with lacrosse's short schedules), framework for the committee to start a deeper dive into the won-lost records of those teams it decides are on the bubble. And this, to its credit, is what the committee did this year. That deep dive first exposed Duke: mediocre wins, three bad losses. Then, with Duke exposed, Notre Dame's two best wins...over Duke...were exposed. Buh bye. Maybe ND has terrific talent. Didn't do enough with it.

Cornell Daily Sun names Piatelli the Male Senior Athlete of the Year.

USA Lacrosse Magazine announces its All-American men's lacrosse teams.

First Team
D - Gavin Adler

Honorable Mention
A - CJ Kirst
A - John Piatelli

Alumni in the Pros (Third Team AA)
M - Jonathan Donville (Maryland)

Al DeFlorio

BearLover

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
The 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show.

Very happy for my Big Red and the Ivies, but this bracket is whack! Notre Dame should be in hands down. Top 5 team in the country in my opinion.

— Rob Pannell (@RobPannell3) May 9, 2022

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You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost. Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

I agree that results on the field is all that matters. And whether those results come early in the season or later (starting out hot versus making a late run) shouldn’t matter. But looking at these teams’ full bodies of work purely from the perspective of on-field results, Duke was 7th in RPI, Notre Dame 11th. OSU is 14th and Harvard is 15th. I am more a hockey fan than a lax fan, but I know that in hockey people would be livid if Cornell were 7th in the Pairwise and got passed over for a 15th-ranked team that didn’t make its conference tournament. What is the justification for totally ignoring RPI in lax? Smaller sample size of games, maybe—but why should the human eye be a better judge of this small sample?

The fatal flaw in RPI, in my opinion, is it does not look at whom you beat and to whom you lost. It looks at your overall won-lost record, the won-lost records of your opponents, and the records of their opponents. A win over Georgetown and a loss to Syracuse has the same effect as a win over Syracuse and a loss to Georgetown. Doesn't matter which games you won and which you lost, just the sum of wins and the sum of losses.

What RPI does provide is a reasonable, but not precise (especially with lacrosse's short schedules), framework for the committee to start a deeper dive into the won-lost records of those teams it decides are on the bubble. And this, to its credit, is what the committee did this year. That deep dive first exposed Duke: mediocre wins, three bad losses. Then, with Duke exposed, Notre Dame's two best wins...over Duke...were exposed. Buh bye. Maybe ND has terrific talent. Didn't do enough with it.

But why should beating Syracuse and losing to Georgetown be treated differently from the reverse?

mike1960
If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

billhoward

mike1960
If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

I was thinking the locker room, but I get your drift.

billhoward

mike1960
If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

Do you want a domed stadium or a lacrosse-only facility like Princeton’s? Or a bubble over the football field like Harvard? I can never keep your envious pipe dreams straight, bill.

RichH

billhoward

mike1960
If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

Do you want a domed stadium or a lacrosse-only facility like Princeton’s? Or a bubble over the football field like Harvard? I can never keep your envious pipe dreams straight, bill.

Or all of the above.

I’ve been thinking about the seating issue in Cornell’s new indoor facility. What if it can also serve as a venue for monster truck events, professional box lacrosse, and an iMax? The trick is to create revenue streams to justify flexible seating arrangements. Of necessity, this implies complimentary uses that can attract crowds from Binghamton, Oswego, Utica, etc.

dbilmes
Cornell Daily Sun names Piatelli the Male Senior Athlete of the Year.

Runner-up, Matt Galajda

NCAA first-round of 2022 tournament, #7 seed Cornell again hosts Ohio State. 2:30 pm Sunday 5/15, ESPNU.

Use this (i.e. reply to this) post/subject line, it's easier to scroll down and find the TOSU pregame, game and post-game observations.

billhoward
NCAA first-round of 2022 tournament, #7 seed Cornell again hosts Ohio State. 2:30 pm, ESPNU.

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Huh? Game is Sunday.

billhoward

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Is there a reason we can’t just make another thread? It is the tournament, and this season-long thread is now on page 66 of my mobile browser. There are no hard and fast rules here, right?

RichH

billhoward

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Is there a reason we can’t just make another thread? It is the tournament, and this season-long thread is now on page 66 of my mobile browser. There are no hard and fast rules here, right?

Can't use a motorcycle grip to post here.

RichH

billhoward

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Is there a reason we can’t just make another thread? It is the tournament, and this season-long thread is now on page 66 of my mobile browser. There are no hard and fast rules here, right?

+1. Start another thread.

New thread is even better. Especially if Cornell makes a deep run. I think that means making the finals weekend, in a 16-team tournament. For basketball, maybe it means making it to round of 16. So I suppose deep run means you survive the first two games.

Column by Jason Gay in Friday's WSJ. Gay may the best newspaper sportswriter around. Despite or because he mentions alma mater Wisconsin at least once a month.

Covers both men's and women's programs. Mentions men's coach John Tillman not as Cornell lax alum but coming over from 3 years at Harvard.

Should be a free link, Don’t Mess With Maryland Lacrosse: An undefeated men’s team in College Park chases college history, as a legendary women’s program pursues another national title
[www.wsj.com]

This is a nicely timed improvement to the men's lacrosse team with a completely renovated locker room.

Paul Schoellkopf House Men's Lacrosse Locker Room Renovation

DESCRIPTION OF PROJECT:
The intent of this project is to renovate the Men's Locker Room. Modifications, including demolition and installation:

Architectural: New paint/wall tile/ceilings in designated areas. Floor finishes. New toilet partitions. custom lockers, and custom storage cabinets.

Fire System: New sprinkler system in the film room. Increase fire protection supply line in designated areas.

Plumbing: New shower fixtures and supply line enclosures, hose bib on shower area, custom sink vanities, fixtures.

HVAC: New digital controls for the HVAC system, ductwork, diffusers, grilles in designated areas.

Electrical: New lighting, fire alarms, and power supply configurations in designated areas.

ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION BUDGET:
$750,000 - $775,000

I’m tired of wearing my hockey shirt to big red lacrosse games. Is there any difference for the team between buying from the campus store vs boosters or other association? Also, do they ever put game-worn jerseys on sale like the hockey team?

Takeaway #8 on Lacrosse All Stars' list of 22 Takeaways from the 2022 season:

Lacosse All Stars
8. Connor Buczek and Cornell

Cornell is all Buczek has known as the D1 level. After finishing his playing career in Ithaca, Buczek worked his way up from volunteer assistant to replacing Peter Milliman after he left for Johns Hopkins in 2020.

I listened to a handful of interviews this season with the 28-year-old coach. He is impressive and led the Big Red to a share of the Ivy League and to being a finalist in the national championship game in his first full season.

Buczek is one of the reasons why the future’s so bright in The Ivy League.

BTL PODCAST: It was about as good as it gets in Connor Buczek's first season guiding @CornellLacrosse, leading the Big Red to the NCAA Championship game for the first time since 2009.

Full interview: https://t.co/BACpXyUNa0

— ESPN Ithaca (@ESPNIthaca) June 2, 2022

Eldon Lindsay/Cornell Athletics pic.twitter.com/Hzi4Smcybz

Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Trotsky
Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

One can hope.

Trotsky
Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

I hope not. I hope Buczek can deliver NCAA titles.

Trotsky
Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Set sights higher*: Connor Buczek is destined to be Cornell's athletic director 2030-2055. Bob Kane '34 had a run of thirty-some years, so it's possible, and Buczek should walk away before the time when a sixty-something athletic director comes to find students annoying. Bob Kane at the end railed against student government and how a bunch of 20-year-olds were affecting how you did your job. Except that's also your quarterback, your attackmers, shortstops and the midfielders, too.

Buczek also has the potential to make a gafillion dollars in the business world. He was one of two admits to the Johnson School who got in directly from undergrad years, meaning he was already savvy beyond his years. He probably has the savvy to invest well for the future and/or teammates on Wall Street can help him on investing leads.

*Assuming a coach's goal is to be athletic director. It's like assuming Walter LaFeber's goal, unrealized, was to be president of Cornell.

billhoward

Trotsky
Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Set sights higher*: Connor Buczek is destined to be Cornell's athletic director 2030-2055. Bob Kane '34 had a run of thirty-some years, so it's possible, and Buczek should walk away before the time when a sixty-something athletic director comes to find students annoying. Bob Kane at the end railed against student government and how a bunch of 20-year-olds were affecting how you did your job. Except that's also your quarterback, your attackmers, shortstops and the midfielders, too.

Buczek also has the potential to make a gafillion dollars in the business world. He was one of two admits to the Johnson School who got in directly from undergrad years, meaning he was already savvy beyond his years. He probably has the savvy to invest well for the future and/or teammates on Wall Street can help him on investing leads.

*Assuming a coach's goal is to be athletic director. It's like assuming Walter LaFeber's goal, unrealized, was to be president of Cornell.

Bob Kane did hire Ned Harkness, who is the reason most of us are on this board. An AD could do much worse.

blackwidow

Trotsky
Is Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

I hope not. I hope Buczek can deliver NCAA titles.

Age, when's that Block User function coming?