Cornell Football 2019

CAS
Would you be optimistic about the coming wrestling season if you had a head coach entering his 7th season with a 15-45 record (& no improvement in record from year 1 to year 6)?

i'm not optimistic about the football season but i it's exhausting to check in every day to see a new comment and every time it's the exact same complaints - the phrasing barely changes. there's never anything interesting like a roster analysis or thoughts about what could be improved. just a lot of "this should be better and yet it isn't and i'm mad" with bonus garment rending about how andy noel doesn't care about football, which is pretty unlikely.

That’s the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it’s indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy’s plan to turn things around?

CAS
That’s the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it’s indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy’s plan to turn things around?

nope. but i've heard 400 times, like it was being submitted by a bot, that he lacks one. it's like i'm waiting for a trim in hell's barbershop.

ugarte

CAS
That’s the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it’s indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy’s plan to turn things around?

nope. but i've heard 400 times, like it was being submitted by a bot, that he lacks one. it's like i'm waiting for a trim in hell's barbershop.

Hey I predict an Ivy League Football Championship this season....10-0 Bâby!!! How's that for optimistic.

Anyone else notice that games will no longer be broadcast over the air or online with WHCU? WHCU is currently running a notice stating that despite having had the games for a decade or so they are no longer able to air them because of the ESPN contract. I wonder if this will impact hockey as well. I doubt the remaining local football supporters who rely on the radio broadcast are going to be running ESPN+ on their Zenith tv set. Quite disappointing if Cornell athletics will no longer have a free listening option.

Bahnstorm
Anyone else notice that games will no longer be broadcast over the air or online with WHCU? WHCU is currently running a notice stating that despite having had the games for a decade or so they are no longer able to air them because of the ESPN contract. I wonder if this will impact hockey as well. I doubt the remaining local football supporters who rely on the radio broadcast are going to be running ESPN+ on their Zenith tv set. Quite disappointing if Cornell athletics will no longer have a free listening option.

i just asked - cornell hockey is still on whcu, everything else is exclusively espn+.

espn+ is a video broadcast.. why would that effect the radio side?

does this mean no Lax anymore too on the radio?

syracuse has a full ESPN+ presence. but they still have everything on the radio side available.

It looks like other Ivy schools (well, at least the two I bothered to check) also have radio broadcasts listed for their games. Did Cornell football have separate announcers for its radio and ESPN+ broadcasts? I wonder if that was the issue, as hockey does have two sets of announcers.

a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

there are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car

here's what cornell told me. no espn audio stream.

upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.

But. We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

Trotsky

upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans./quote]
Your cutoff date is too soon. Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s. Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970, Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.

 

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Al DeFlorio '65

Trotsky

upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.

But. We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

Doubtful they ever drop to D3. And you're discounting the fans and alumni supporters that followed Cornell during the successful Marinaro and Maxie Baughan and Jim Hofher era years.

Trotsky
I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

We're in the Football Championship Division, nee Division 1-A. It is the downsized D1 without dropping to D3. It has a playoff and a chance to win an NCAA national championship, as 10-0 Princeton might have come close to last year were it not for the Ivy presidents not wanting this one sport to have a post-season championship playoff. A lot of like-Cornell schools are there: Colgate, Georgetown, Lafayette, Lehigh, Villanova, and the eight Ivies.

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upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car

Indeed, the reach of WHCU's signal can be staggering. I've caught it on the other side of the Greens on skiing trips from CT to VT.

What constitutes a "die hard" football fan? I was a bandie, so I have more than a casual interest. And I definitely would make an effort to catch a potential championship-clinching game. Of course that hasn't been a concern for about 19 years now…

Ah, the 2000 Ivy Bowl: snow/sleet all over the bleachers; an utter collapse by us; and Andy Noel, at midfield, over the PA, and with most hearty congratulations, gleefully handing Penn the championship trophy!

Great memories. At least I was drunk. Good damn thing we tied Harvard and beat Brown that weekend.

I kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio. money drives everything. But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont. It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left. also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more. people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.

ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country. WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.

Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.

we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.

upprdeck
I kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio. money drives everything. But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont. It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left. also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more. people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.

ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country. WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.

Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.

we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.

Agree completely. Many times I'd go to WHCU whem the video feed was broken. Also when the team hosting Cornell didn't have a webcast.

upprdeck
a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?

At Marist Saturday, gametime 12 noon, weather forecast for sunny/partly cloudy and low 80s. Tickets are $10. The stadium seats 5,000 plus apparently lawn seating. There are details at goredfoxes.com which URL I mis-ready.

We go into the game and might emerge from the game unbeaten, something harder to claim later in 2019.


Bill Howard +1

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky

upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

Your cutoff date is too soon. Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s. Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970, Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.

That's fair. After all, Doonesbury started as a joke about how Yalies gave a shit about Brian Dowling and that was around 1968.

Let's be super generous then and move the cut to 1981, the year the Ivies were kicked out of D1-A for not admitting the actual functional morons who eventually graduate from Duke and Stanford instead. If 1970 births are the standard we still have about 20 years of cold demography to go before the mouthbreathers cease to attract Cornell's gold-encrusted attention.

And by then the Power Five will be a fully professional Premier League and Cornell may actually be competitive at the children's table.

Cornell pre-game story: [cornellbigred.com]

And from Marist:

Marist College
Tailgating for Marist Football [goredfoxes.com]

The following tailgating policy is in effect to ensure a safe and enjoyable tailgating experience for our fans. The Marist College Athletics Department encourages fans to arrive early, tailgate, and enjoy Marist football.

Tailgating Policy

Tailgating is limited to the McCann/Sheahan parking lot and is NOT permitted in the Donnelly parking lot. Tailgating spaces are limited. Chairs, tables, tents, etc. must be confined to a small area around your vehicle. Tailgating will only be permitted during pre-game and post-game. There is no re-entry since restroom facilities are now available inside the stadium.

All alcoholic beverages must be consumed from plastic/paper cups. No glass containers, cans, funnels or similar devices will be allowed. Kegs, drinking games and/or mass consumption of alcohol are prohibited. Underage drinking is not permitted; all local and state laws must be obeyed.

The Student Code of Conduct prohibits students from Tailgating at any time, even if they are over 21 years of age. Consumption of Alcohol and/or possession of an open container is not permitted on the grounds of the campus without prior approval of the Vice-President of Student Affairs.

All others are subject to rules and regulations set forth by Marist College. Violations of any of these policies will result in removal from the campus and a ban from the tailgating area.

Marist College reserves the right to restrict tailgating at its sole discretion.

Students can't tailgate? I do recall when our son toured Marist the student tour guides devoted a couple minutes to what could happen if you're caught drinking. On the plus side, when the Marist women made the basketball NCAAs a decade ago, Marist chartered a plane for the one-and-done and ten bucks, or something nominal, got a flight to the game, ground transportation, a ticket, and a Red Foxes tee. Probably so when the cameras panned the student section, there were Marist students to show.

Beeeej

upprdeck
a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?

I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.

billhoward

Beeeej

upprdeck
a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?

I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.

The sarcasm font at eLynah is plain text.

Dartmouth made the NCAA top 20 polls circa 1970, maybe got as high as 15th. In D1 football.

Trotsky

billhoward

Beeeej

upprdeck
a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream

Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?

I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.

The sarcasm font at eLynah is plain text.

Happy to be the setup guy. Good one, twice over.

I like to think I know how it works and what budgets can get used for this as part of the job.

billhoward
Cornell pre-game story: [cornellbigred.com]

And from Marist:

Marist College
Tailgating for Marist Football [goredfoxes.com]

The following tailgating policy is in effect to ensure a safe and enjoyable tailgating experience for our fans. The Marist College Athletics Department encourages fans to arrive early, tailgate, and enjoy Marist football.

Tailgating Policy

Tailgating is limited to the McCann/Sheahan parking lot and is NOT permitted in the Donnelly parking lot. Tailgating spaces are limited. Chairs, tables, tents, etc. must be confined to a small area around your vehicle. Tailgating will only be permitted during pre-game and post-game. There is no re-entry since restroom facilities are now available inside the stadium.

All alcoholic beverages must be consumed from plastic/paper cups. No glass containers, cans, funnels or similar devices will be allowed. Kegs, drinking games and/or mass consumption of alcohol are prohibited. Underage drinking is not permitted; all local and state laws must be obeyed.

The Student Code of Conduct prohibits students from Tailgating at any time, even if they are over 21 years of age. Consumption of Alcohol and/or possession of an open container is not permitted on the grounds of the campus without prior approval of the Vice-President of Student Affairs.

All others are subject to rules and regulations set forth by Marist College. Violations of any of these policies will result in removal from the campus and a ban from the tailgating area.

Marist College reserves the right to restrict tailgating at its sole discretion.

Students can't tailgate? I do recall when our son toured Marist the student tour guides devoted a couple minutes to what could happen if you're caught drinking. On the plus side, when the Marist women made the basketball NCAAs a decade ago, Marist chartered a plane for the one-and-done and ten bucks, or something nominal, got a flight to the game, ground transportation, a ticket, and a Red Foxes tee. Probably so when the cameras panned the student section, there were Marist students to show.

But Marist's endowment must be worth billion$. Not a fair comparison.

Swampy
But Marist's endowment must be worth billion$. Not a fair comparison.

Marist's 440 acres on the Hudson must count for some value. (Cornell has 745 acres in Ithaca.) Note also Marist has a Cornell Boathouse (and a Marist Boathouse).

[www.marist.edu]

Al DeFlorio
[www.marist.edu]

Great article. Thank you!

Cornell, the University of California, the University of Washington, and the University of Wisconsin each came to have boathouses on Regatta Row.

Wow!

Vintage footage.

Cornell 49.

NYT: Regatta Evokes Poughkeepsie’s Rowing Heyday

If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.

Chris H82
If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.

Most of you probably know the history, but Wikipedia's article on Charles Courtney gives a thorough history of Cornell rowing up to 1920. [en.wikipedia.org] The concluding section on his legacy points out how his influence is still felt today across college athletics.

David Harding

Chris H82
If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.

Most of you probably know the history, but Wikipedia's article on Charles Courtney gives a thorough history of Cornell rowing up to 1920. [en.wikipedia.org] The concluding section on his legacy points out how his influence is still felt today across college athletics.

From the article:

Fans were sometimes known to wager on the results.

This is quite possibly the funniest line I've read in any story this year.

I would imagine those flat beds full of students were essentially about three things, none of which were rowing.

Trotsky

Fans were sometimes known to wager on the results.

This is quite possibly the funniest line I've read in any story this year. I would imagine those flat beds full of students were essentially about three things, none of which were rowing.

When The Times can't get a fact sourced from two persons, it turns to droll humor.

Early regatta on Cayuga Lake and train loading in downtown Ithaca.

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Trotsky

upprdeck
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left

I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.

And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.

But. We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?

I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?

So...you don't feel this any more?

Looks like Slope Day, with Fish not Phish.

Marist football is no powerhouse - Cornell is a 14-point favorite. The following Saturday vs Yale will be a truer test.

CAS
Marist football is no powerhouse - Cornell is a 14-point favorite. The following Saturday vs Yale will be a truer test.

I'm counting Marist as one a win in Cornell's 3 or 4 win season, they should win this easily.

George64
Early regatta on Cayuga Lake and train loading in downtown Ithaca.

. Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

We may be picked for seventh. But savor our standing before the Marist 2019 opener when you search on "cornell football." Technically it's T-1.

billhoward
We may be picked for seventh. But savor our standing before the Marist 2019 opener when you search on "cornell football." Technically it's T-1.

"Match score" only shown at "full time"?

The Ivies never did shake Transatlantic English.

Barely five minutes in, Penn leads sprint football by two touchdowns. Cornell just don't do football.

26-0 late first

David Harding
From a Sun season preview.

Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”

Here's a paragraph from a NY Times article about Ivy League week one. Isn't Surace saying the complete opposite of Archer's comments above?

"Bob Surace, who is in his 10th season as Princeton’s coach, said that in his early years he would use the extra time during the summer to devise intricate schemes, but instead ended up overwhelming his players, as intelligent as they might be. Now, the focus is on getting his players bigger, stronger and faster."

I guess we'll see.

If we're not competing physically we need to compensate with play design.

BOOOOOOOOO Columbia kills their scramble band.

First possession at Yale yields a false start, an illegal formation...and no first downs.

D does well inside the five, but finds themselves there too often. 3-0 Yale

88-yard schematic pass puts Cornell ahead 10-3. Can this last?

Not for long. Bonehead play call and awful pass result in an INT and tie game. Sigh.

Cornell just burned a timeout after the clock was stopped after another timeout. Are you kidding me?

scoop85
Cornell just burned a timeout after the clock was stopped after another timeout. Are you kidding me?

You can't make this stuff up. Now 20-10 Yale after a FG.

Surely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.

Al DeFlorio
Surely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.

One would hope.

Al DeFlorio
Surely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.

Remember our head coach in his infinite wisdom decided to make his OC also the QB coach, despite the fact he never played the position before in college, or coached the position before.

Insides kicking team needs work.

OK staying positive, Cornell goes 9-1 after their 27-10 loss to Yale.

Ken711
OK staying positive, Cornell goes 9-1 after their 27-10 loss to Yale.

I want some of what you're smoking.

NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- Heading into the final quarter tied at 10-10, Cornell felt like it had the momentum to topple preseason Ivy League favorite Yale on the road for the first time in a decade. The final 15 minutes, however, belonged to the opportunistic Bulldogs in a 27-16 victory over the Big Red on Saturday afternoon at the Yale Bowl.

“We got to finish,” said Archer. “Kind of like the last two years seasonally … We just got to be able to finish and put four quarters together.”

Looks like the same script as seasons past.

This has nothing to do with the football game itself, but I thought I'd post it here. I didn't go to the game, but was in the area and was planning on meeting with a friend who is a band alum after the game to hear the band's post-game concert. The band held its post-game concert right outside the stadium, but inside the perimeter of the stadium. As I started to walk through the gate, I was stopped by a security guy who told me I couldn't enter the stadium unless I had an unused game ticket. It turns out there's no re-entry if you leave during the game (a policy put in place to keep drunk tailgaters from coming back into the stands). I pointed out that the game was over, and that I just wanted to go inside for the band concert, which was taking place 30 yards away. But he held his ground and even called his supervisor over to make sure I got the message. A pair of band parents weren't allowed inside the gate either, and neither was the grandmother of a Cornell football player. Is it just me, or is it idiotic not to let people into the stadium perimeter AFTER the game for a post-game concert. I was able to see most of the band and hear the concert, of course, but it was annoying to have to do so through the bars of the fence instead of joining the other alumns standing next to the band, including my friend. Since Yale was letting kids run around on the field for 30 minutes after the game, it's not like they were trying to clear everybody out as quickly as possible.

Here is the start of the second paragraph on the Athletics department’s website. Someone needs to learn that you return interceptions for touchdowns.

“Yale took advantage of four Big Red turnovers, including a touchdown return for an interception,...”

In year 7 of the Archer era, Cornell is now 11-32 in Ivy play, & losers of their last 5 Ivy games.

Al DeFlorio
Insides kicking team needs work.

All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.

Need more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of “hybrid warfare”?

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Insides kicking team needs work.

All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.

Running that back for the score was bad football.

CAS
Need more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of “hybrid warfare”?

Somebody cut off a Prius exiting Lot D after the game. That's about it.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Insides kicking team needs work.

All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.

That last one felt like an ENG.

billhoward

CAS
Need more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of “hybrid warfare”?

Somebody cut off a Prius exiting Lot D after the game. That's about it.

rmandel
Here is the start of the second paragraph on the Athletics department’s website. Someone needs to learn that you return interceptions for touchdowns.

“Yale took advantage of four Big Red turnovers, including a touchdown return for an interception,...”

Do you wonder why we suck so much at football? If this were the Daily Sun or WHCU, one could write it off as someone learning their trade and unfamiliar with sport they're discussing. But this is the freakin Athletics department, whose staff one would assume is supposed to know about ... well, athletics. If our "experts" are so clueless about football, how on earth would anyone imagine that our abysmal record in football over the past two decades is an accident?

Demand Big Structural Change!

Moral victory: Prius didn't catch fire.

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Barring some sort of metaphysical adjustment of Cornell Being, our football will always suck. The arbitrary "base the prestige of your multi-billion dollar research university on the athletic achievements of kids who could not possibly get in otherwise" landed on hockey for us.

Cornell football sucks because Cornell was lucky. We could have been Penn.

Cornell football has not always sucked. We had a winning program from the mid-‘80’s thru 2000. Our football fortunes have cratered under the current AD. I don’t see why we can have nationally competitive teams in hockey & lacrosse & can’t compete in Ivy football.

We kept it close against the preseason top pick in the league. nobody here expected to win that game. Coles had some great runs, the defense made some very good stops, we didn't recover the onside kick.

It's not even that I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy but I'm not sure what more you wanted out of that game than wishing for a time machine to turn over the coaching staff two years ago.

Trotsky

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Barring some sort of metaphysical adjustment of Cornell Being, our football will always suck. The arbitrary "base the prestige of your multi-billion dollar research university on the athletic achievements of kids who could not possibly get in otherwise" landed on hockey for us.

Cornell football sucks because Cornell was lucky. We could have been Penn.

At least Eric Furda cared. Plus, you need to let off some steam when you spend probably half your work week dealing with alumni who want to get their kid without offering you, or the school, a half-million dollars.

ugarte
We kept it close against the preseason top pick in the league. nobody here expected to win that game. Coles had some great runs, the defense made some very good stops, we didn't recover the onside kick.

It's not even that I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy but I'm not sure what more you wanted out of that game than wishing for a time machine to turn over the coaching staff two years ago.

I'd say Dartmouth and Princeton look especially strong so far, and I would guess they both could beat Yale.

Trotsky

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?

Ugarte, if Rob Koll was entering year 7 with a 25% winning %, uncompetitive facilities & funding, alienated donors, & no apparent plan to turn things around, would you feel sanguine after losing a relatively close match

Jim Hyla

Trotsky

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?

Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?

Brown picked 7th this year is a perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend. Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!

But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.

A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.

Good.

Trotsky

Jim Hyla

Trotsky

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?

Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?

Brown picked 7th this year is a perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend. Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!

But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.

A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.

Good.

How was Cornell awful to mediocre since 1981? They won the Ivy Championship in 1988 and 1990! They finished second in 1995 and 2000.

Ken711

Trotsky

Jim Hyla

Trotsky

Swampy
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football?

No.

It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.

Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?

Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?

Brown picked 7th this year is a perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend. Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!

But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.

A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.

Good.

How was Cornell awful to mediocre since 1981? They won the Ivy Championship in 1988 and 1990! They finished second in 1995 and 2000.

40 years, 4 times in contention. That is well within the variance of a mediocre team.

Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st?

I will take this admonition, though. If likewise we have never been 7th or 8th then I'll allow that we have been perpetually mediocre and never truly awful. Perhaps Columbia and... I dunno... Brown(?) can save us.

"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "

Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.

Ken711
"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "

Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.

Deep breath.



No.

Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?

Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the MARINARO years in which we were 3rd. Maybe.

tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.

Ken711
"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "

Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.

That means almost all of the students on campus (including grad students) weren't even born when we last finished first.

That's not just mediocrity. That's pure garbage.

Trotsky

Ken711
"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "

Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.

Deep breath.

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No.

Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?

Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the Marino years in which we were 3rd. Maybe.

tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.

Exactly when were the Marino years?

You don't mean Marinaro, do you? Things would really suck if a sports program's alumni critics don't even know the names of the school's's few luminaries in the sport.

When we get to the part where people starting launching on typos it's time to edge out the door. Thanks for your contribution.

Trotsky

Ken711
"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "

Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.

Deep breath.

Roy-roy-trenneman-30961504-200-245.jpg

No.

Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?

Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the MARINARO years in which we were 3rd. Maybe.

tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.

I'm in agreement they have had terrible teams most years since 2001, HOWEVER, they have achieved past success, and there's no reason why that can't be repeated with the proper selection of a head coach, and the backing by the administration.

The Bill Marino '76 years were fantastic. Cornell went 43-4. He scored an overtime goal vs Maryland in the national championships (when OT was timed not first-to-score). First-team All-America at midfield. Also lettered in football fall 1975. It's an understandable mistake.

billhoward
The Bill Marino '76 years were fantastic. Cornell went 43-4. He scored an overtime goal vs Maryland in the national championships (when OT was timed not first-to-score). First-team All-America at midfield. Also lettered in football fall 1975. It's an understandable mistake.

Those "fantastic" Marino years extended through 1978 with brother Tom. Add one NCAA championship and one runner-up finish.

CAS
Ugarte, if Rob Koll was entering year 7 with a 25% winning %, uncompetitive facilities & funding, alienated donors, & no apparent plan to turn things around, would you feel sanguine after losing a relatively close match

yeah. i mean i'd probably be disappointed but i'd take a close loss to a better team pretty well and not act like it was some great shame.

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Georgetown 3-1 at Cornell 1-1, 3 pm kickoff. Homecoming tailgates before. 500th (varsity) football game at Schoellkopf. Game preview according to Cornell sports information: [cornellbigred.com]

Game odds:  Cornell -10 (Cornell favored, ie Cornell minus 10 points (depending oddsmaker) makes it an even game)

Rain odds:  0% rain ~60 degrees game

Over/under, weekend alcohol transports to Cayuga Medical Center:  30  

Best tailgate:  CBAA, in a walk, puts fraternity, class and CFA tents to shame. 

Odds we go 4-1 at home: Uh, 20%? (Cornell needs 4 wins in 5 2019 home games to make it 300 W's at Schoellkopf all-time.) 

Odds a bar in Collegetown we want is no longer there: 100% 

I'm looking forward to the weekend. LGR!


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Interception on first Cornell possession. Four plays and a two-point conversion later and down by eight.

Cornell trails 8-0 at the half. The defense has played well overall, and we’ve had some success moving the ball. But we routinely shoot ourselves in the foot. We had 2nd and 4 on Georgetown’s 24 in the last two minutes, and ran a swing pass that we run all the time, so naturally Georgetown knew it was coming and our back Wes tackled for a 4 yard loss. After an incompletion on 3rd down we missed a 44-yard FG. Since our kicker was just 1 out of 3 coming into the game, I would’ve preferred going for it on 4th down.

118 total yards in a half isn't much success. Georgetown's D line is pushing our line around and Archer's brilliant "schematics" are fooling no one.

8-8 starting the 4th, Cornell has the momentum now.

Didn’t see any hybrid warfare in that last Cornell series

Catanese is spraying the ball with open receivers but he really isn't getting much time either. Cornell falling apart in the 4th. Two long punt returns, a long TD pass and G'town has a 6 point lead and the ball in Cornell territory with under 5 to go.

Ken711
8-8 starting the 4th, Cornell has the momentum now.

Not any more. Fumbles, bad snaps, holding, late hit. Offense dull, predictable. Play calling dreadful. Need to clean house of coaching staff.

i don't know what the first three quarters looked like but the 4th quarter was butt

No bueno today. 14-8 loss.