Cornell football 2015...

...picked to finish last in the Ivies, in a just released media poll. Columbia, which has lost its last 21 games but has a new head coach, is picked ahead of us.

CAS
...picked to finish last in the Ivies, in a just released media poll. Columbia, which has lost its last 21 games but has a new head coach, is picked ahead of us.

Do we play football?

Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

billhoward

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

Don't think so. I think if Cornell ends up 1-9 again, we may be looking for a new coach.

Ken711

billhoward

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

Don't think so. I think if Cornell ends up 1-9 again, we may be looking for a new coach.

I don't think you hire Archer to send him packing after three seasons unless there's a can't miss coach on the doorstep. I think you have to give someone like that (young guy with no experience) a long leash or you're just wasting everyone's time hitting the reset button again.

I think his recruiting is why he needs more time. He just landed a 3 star 2016 QB from Seattle (Harley Kirsch). The kid was a MaxPreps All-American and was in the Top 20 in the nation across Rivals, 24/7 etc. at one time until he went silent on recruiting. His stats are insane.

[www.seattletimes.com]

[www.youtube.com]

[vype.com]

Recruit from Seattle should be used to throwing in the rain.

Give David Archer some time. Or more rope.

Bagnoli has brought a QB transfer to Columbia, who started 3 games for the Florida Gators. A 4-star recruit, this kid is eligible to play this fall.

True, but they had a transfer named Nottingham from Stanford last year who was highly regarded, and that didn't work out too well

Chris '03

Ken711

billhoward

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

Don't think so. I think if Cornell ends up 1-9 again, we may be looking for a new coach.

I don't think you hire Archer to send him packing after three seasons unless there's a can't miss coach on the doorstep. I think you have to give someone like that (young guy with no experience) a long leash or you're just wasting everyone's time hitting the reset button again.

Fair enough. I'll give Archer two more seasons to at least get Cornell to 5-5 before making a change.

Ken711

Chris '03

Ken711

billhoward

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

Don't think so. I think if Cornell ends up 1-9 again, we may be looking for a new coach.

I don't think you hire Archer to send him packing after three seasons unless there's a can't miss coach on the doorstep. I think you have to give someone like that (young guy with no experience) a long leash or you're just wasting everyone's time hitting the reset button again.

Fair enough. I'll give Archer two more seasons to at least get Cornell to 5-5 before making a change.

I don't think you'll have the slightest input.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711

Chris '03

Ken711

billhoward

Ken711
Al Bagnoli will finally turn the Columbia football program into a winner in time. Cornell has a long tough road ahead.

Or Al Bagnoli will be to Columbia as Bob Blackman was to Cornell. [www.sports-reference.com]

Don't think so. I think if Cornell ends up 1-9 again, we may be looking for a new coach.

I don't think you hire Archer to send him packing after three seasons unless there's a can't miss coach on the doorstep. I think you have to give someone like that (young guy with no experience) a long leash or you're just wasting everyone's time hitting the reset button again.

Fair enough. I'll give Archer two more seasons to at least get Cornell to 5-5 before making a change.

I don't think you'll have the slightest input.

None at all.

The defense is good, Hagy returns at RB... if they limit turnovers, I think they win 2 conference games.. and 2 non-conference games... 4-6 with a defense that continues to get better and better.

CAS
...picked to finish last in the Ivies, in a just released media poll. Columbia, which has lost its last 21 games but has a new head coach, is picked ahead of us.

I like how they put it on the Athletics webpage: "picked to finish eighth." Spin doctors at work.

Jeff Hopkins '82

CAS
...picked to finish last in the Ivies, in a just released media poll. Columbia, which has lost its last 21 games but has a new head coach, is picked ahead of us.

I like how they put it on the Athletics webpage: "picked to finish eighth." Spin doctors at work.

Well, they are top ten.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

CAS
...picked to finish last in the Ivies, in a just released media poll. Columbia, which has lost its last 21 games but has a new head coach, is picked ahead of us.

I like how they put it on the Athletics webpage: "picked to finish eighth." Spin doctors at work.

Well, they are top ten.

And #2 in all of New York.

Chris '03

And #2 in all of New York.

Wait... what about "New York's College Team?"

Hey they're in good company. They're picked last in ACC

Ivy predictions in the Boston Globe this morning: Harvard, Dartmouth, and Yale at the top...Columbia, Penn, and guess-who at the bottom--in that order.

Where's Princeton? Cornell is a better running team this season, unfortunately outside of maybe Columbia, all the other Ivy teams are still stronger.

Ken711
Where's Princeton? Cornell is a better running team this season, unfortunately outside of maybe Columbia, all the other Ivy teams are still stronger.

By process of elimination, they're either fourth or fifth, along with Brown. I don't remember the order. Does it matter?

And I'm pissed some guy named DeFloria caught the miracle touchdown pass for Bucknell.

Defensive backs played way too soft all afternoon. There were a couple of good passes deflected when they managed to arrive on time, but in general the DBs were 7-10 yards off the wideouts. On that catch, Al, they actually tackled him INTO the endzone. Shoulda been stopped at the one yard line. 2 stupid penalties kept drives going, an off sides on a punt and a defensive hold. Sonnenborn looked pretty good at QB though.

Columbia's starting QB, a transfer from the University of Florida, completed 21 of 25 passes against a good Fordham team. I still don't understand why Cornell, a school with many transfers, never seems to have an impact transfer on the football team.

ILDN lists today's Ivy opener at Yale beginning @ 12:30. The highlights from last week came across well.

Gorgeous first drive, 6 minutes and 9 plays culminating in a 7 yard pass Somborn to Gallo. 6-0, 9:21 to go in the 1Q.

TD on the second long Cornell drive as well, but the kick fails again. 12-0 early in the 2Q.

12-7. Good performance so far, but they have to fix the kicking game fast

Really enjoying the way Hagy keeps the play alive for the extra 2 or 3 yards on pretty much every carry.

Wow, pretty pass to Shaw. 3 TDs on 3 drives and a 19-7 lead.

Cornell stops a Yale drive, then a 50 yard run by Hagy sets up a lovely pass from Somborn-Shaw. 26-7 in the final minute of Q2.

Make that 4 TD after making Yale 0 for 3 on 4th down conversions.

Long Yale KR return sets up TD. Kick failed (half the 6 extra point kicks in the first half failed -- Ivy League football fever -- catch it! )

26-13 Cornell at the half. Solid effort, guys.

When Cornell wsa up by 19, I was trying to think the last time they were ahead by that many points, regardless of the final score. Years I imagine.

margolism
When Cornell wsa up by 19, I was trying to think the last time they were ahead by that many points, regardless of the final score. Years I imagine.

9-21-13.

Yikes. Our kicking game is not good. Mays' FG attempt blocked with 3:30 to go, Yale has the ball on their 40 down 7.

1:12 left, Yale ties it 26-26.

Oof. Yale stops us 3 and out, then hits on a 53-yard TD pass. 26-33, final. Damn shame -- we had that game well in hand.

It's what losing teams do. Silver lining is that they are clearly more competitive.

Trotsky
Oof. Yale stops us 3 and out, then hits on a 53-yard TD pass. 26-33, final. Damn shame -- we had that game well in hand.

If we had run the ball on 1st down (with 1:12 left), we risked giving it back to them with about :32 rather than :49 as we did. We also averaged, I see, 3.1 ypc.

So, why not run on 1st? Likely first down, or close to it. Or you're playing 3rd and short rather than 3rd and long.

As far as I'm concerned, a horrible play call. The few yards and a cloud of dust offense has a lot to be said for it, to my mind, when you're trying to limit your opponent's time with the ball.

That 80-something yard return at the end of the first half killed us too. And, ahead by 10 points, you've gotta fair catch at your own 38, rather than go for the return and fumble it away.

Yikes.

Scersk '97

Trotsky
Oof. Yale stops us 3 and out, then hits on a 53-yard TD pass. 26-33, final. Damn shame -- we had that game well in hand.

If we had run the ball on 1st down (with 1:12 left), we risked giving it back to them with about :32 rather than :49 as we did. We also averaged, I see, 3.1 ypc.

So, why not run on 1st? Likely first down, or close to it. Or you're playing 3rd and short rather than 3rd and long.

As far as I'm concerned, a horrible play call. The few yards and a cloud of dust offense has a lot to be said for it, to my mind, when you're trying to limit your opponent's time with the ball.

That 80-something yard return at the end of the first half killed us too. And, ahead by 10 points, you've gotta fair catch at your own 38, rather than go for the return and fumble it away.

Yikes.

Coaching weakness. Other teams make the correct adjustments at the half, Cornell for the longest time hasn't.

Colgate ahead 21-7 at the half, so Cornell now outscored 47-7 over the last four quarters. Only Cornell score a 79-yard Hagy run on the first play after a Colgate kickoff...one way to avoid having a drive stopped by a procedure or a holding penalty.

Striking display of ineptitude on both offense and defense so far tonight. Beginning to think the first half against Yale was an anomaly...or Yale just just didn't have its collective head in the game until halftime.

In games to date Cornell hasn't benefited from halftime adjustments. Maybe a miracle this time?

Al DeFlorio
Colgate ahead 21-7 at the half, so Cornell now outscored 47-7 over the last four quarters. Only Cornell score a 79-yard Hagy run on the first play after a Colgate kickoff...one way to avoid having a drive stopped by a procedure or a holding penalty.

Striking display of ineptitude on both offense and defense so far tonight. Beginning to think the first half against Yale was an anomaly...or Yale just just didn't have its collective head in the game until halftime.

In games to date Cornell hasn't benefited from halftime adjustments. Maybe a miracle this time?

That hasn't been something Cornell has been able to accomplish for years not just this season, very doubtful to say the least.

28-7 Colgate with 6:03 left in 3rd quarter.

Well, we did get back to within 28-21 and had 1st and goal in the last minute but came up empty.

I'll admit I haven't followed closely. I don't recall Cornell stating a reason why the Colgate game was played on a Friday night. Lately I've heard random theories from other lightly informed fans. Why host Colgate on a Friday night? Thanks to anyone who knows

Don't know, but it wasn't just us. Columbia - Princeton was on the tee-vee last night, too.

Robb
Don't know, but it wasn't just us. Columbia - Princeton was on the tee-vee last night, too.

Harvard hosted Georgetown last night, as well.

Columbia vs Princeton I realized was part of a new Ivy TV package but Harvard vs G'town, and CU vs CU, were not televised beyond usual online viewing options. Not sure if it was for attendance purposes, campus purposes, or what?

rcsunrise
Columbia vs Princeton I realized was part of a new Ivy TV package but Harvard vs G'town, and CU vs CU, were not televised beyond usual online viewing options. Not sure if it was for attendance purposes, campus purposes, or what?

Cornell-Dartmouth is also a Friday night game, with TV, I think.

Harvard is 11-0 under their lights, but they rarely lose playing in their home wind tunnel under any lighting conditions.

CU football on national TV this Saturday at noon vs Harvard. Tough matchup for the Red, who have lost 13 of their last 14 games. Harvard is on a 17 game winning streak.

CAS
CU football on national TV this Saturday at noon vs Harvard. Tough matchup for the Red, who have lost 13 of their last 14 games. Harvard is on a 17 game winning streak.

What network?

ugarte

CAS
CU football on national TV this Saturday at noon vs Harvard. Tough matchup for the Red, who have lost 13 of their last 14 games. Harvard is on a 17 game winning streak.

What network?

Something called "American Sports Network."

It's an ugly game so far. Complete Harvard dominance 24-3.

Now 31-3 Harvard.

Couldn't find the game on either FIOS or Optimum. Turns out to be a mercy.

billhoward
Couldn't find the game on either FIOS or Optimum. Turns out to be a mercy.

Yes, Time Warner was also merciful to the Red.

40-3 in the 4th quarter.

Ken711
40-3 in the 4th quarter.

And so it ends.

ugarte

Ken711
40-3 in the 4th quarter.

And so it ends.

There was never any doubt. The differences in where the Harvard football program has performed for the last 15 years versus Cornell's football program are striking.

There is this bright spot (the player, not the typing). Imagine the score if not for Fraser.

Cornell game story
On special teams, senior Chris Fraser excelled, putning seven tiems and averaging a robust 52.4 yards per kick with a long of 67 yards, on of three punts of more than 60 yards. [www.cornellbigred.com]

billhoward
There is this bright spot (the player, not the typing). Imagine the score if not for Fraser.

Cornell game story
On special teams, senior Chris Fraser excelled, putning seven tiems and averaging a robust 52.4 yards per kick with a long of 67 yards, on of three punts of more than 60 yards. [www.cornellbigred.com]

Imagine if Cornell's kickoff and punt coverage weren't so abysmal.

Fraser was excellent agreed but he also needs to learn not out punt the coverage. Agreed that talent wise Harvard is on different planet but Cornell continues to shoot itself in the foot with untimely penalties and lapses in judgement plus some poor execution from our starting qb. The defense did not play badly as without their efforts in the red zone Harvard probably would have scored in upper 60s.

Last 2 years under Coach Kent Austin, Cornell went 5-5 and 4-6.
Under Dave Archer, Cornell is 3-7, 1-9, and now 0-4, a cumulative 4-20.

Cornell will get their first and possibly only win of the season at Sacred Heart next Saturday.

Ken711
Cornell will get their first and possibly only win of the season at Sacred Heart next Saturday.

Columbia got its lone win so far and possibly for the season Saturday vs. Wagner. Cornell-Columbia will be competitive.

billhoward

Ken711
Cornell will get their first and possibly only win of the season at Sacred Heart next Saturday.

Columbia got its lone win so far and possibly for the season Saturday vs. Wagner. Cornell-Columbia will be competitive.

Agreed, it'll be the battle to remain out of the Ivy League cellar.

The Big Green Alert, a Dartmouth football blog, reports Cornell is a 10.5 point underdog to Sacred Heart this Saturday.

CAS
The Big Green Alert, a Dartmouth football blog, reports Cornell is a 10.5 point underdog to Sacred Heart this Saturday.

That's fine. When you're this bad you might as well shoot for the #1 draft pick.

Since 2000, Cornell has had one winning season in football - 6-4 in 2005.

CAS
The Big Green Alert, a Dartmouth football blog, reports Cornell is a 10.5 point underdog to Sacred Heart this Saturday.

Even with its 49-7 loss to Dartmouth, Sacred Heart is averaging 33 points per game, and it's won its league the past two seasons. So it's not a surprise that we're double-digit underdogs.

Today at www.cornellbigred.com, the landing page carousel of stories (the eight radio buttons) was women's cross-country, men's cross-country, men's basketball, men's hockey, women's hockey, field hockey, men's soccer, and women's soccer. No football.

billhoward
Today at www.cornellbigred.com, the landing page carousel of stories (the eight radio buttons) was women's cross-country, men's cross-country, men's basketball, men's hockey, women's hockey, field hockey, men's soccer, and women's soccer. No football.

Funny, I heard Cornell is planning to have a football team in the near future.

Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

There goes my only win of the season prediction outside of perhaps Columbia.

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

toddlose

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

OK, we are the new "old losing streak Columbia". We can't even kick an extra point on our lone TD? At the very least, Archer should fire his special teams coach, as special teams this season outside of our punter are abysmal. I seriously think Cornell needs to bring in an outside consultant like Columbia did before they hired Bagnoli to look at the futility of the Cornell football program and what needs to be done to turn it around.

Agree, we definitely need an intervention.

What they should probably actually do is get ahead of the curve and contract the sport. As CTE and the like continue to gain national attention and traction, the sport is only going to become less popular.

semsox
What they should probably actually do is get ahead of the curve and contract the sport. As CTE and the like continue to gain national attention and traction, the sport is only going to become less popular.

IINM they still get a lot of alumni giving connected with football.

Plus I expect HYP will get rid of it first, and then we'll follow suit.

Ken711

toddlose

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

OK, we are the new "old losing streak Columbia". We can't even kick an extra point on our lone TD? At the very least, Archer should fire his special teams coach, as special teams this season outside of our punter are abysmal. I seriously think Cornell needs to bring in an outside consultant like Columbia did before they hired Bagnoli to look at the futility of the Cornell football program and what needs to be done to turn it around.

In fairness, I thought Austin was a pretty inspired hire at the time, and who knows, but I think they would've turned into a contender had he stuck around long enough to build the program.

underskill

Ken711

toddlose

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

OK, we are the new "old losing streak Columbia". We can't even kick an extra point on our lone TD? At the very least, Archer should fire his special teams coach, as special teams this season outside of our punter are abysmal. I seriously think Cornell needs to bring in an outside consultant like Columbia did before they hired Bagnoli to look at the futility of the Cornell football program and what needs to be done to turn it around.

In fairness, I thought Austin was a pretty inspired hire at the time, and who knows, but I think they would've turned into a contender had he stuck around long enough to build the program.

No issue with that assumption. Even if the AD thought Austin would use Cornell as stepping stone to another HC position, he probably hoped that Austin would have at least stayed through year 5 of his contract at which time Cornell could have had a winning and sustainable program for his successor.

Ken711

underskill

Ken711

toddlose

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

OK, we are the new "old losing streak Columbia". We can't even kick an extra point on our lone TD? At the very least, Archer should fire his special teams coach, as special teams this season outside of our punter are abysmal. I seriously think Cornell needs to bring in an outside consultant like Columbia did before they hired Bagnoli to look at the futility of the Cornell football program and what needs to be done to turn it around.

In fairness, I thought Austin was a pretty inspired hire at the time, and who knows, but I think they would've turned into a contender had he stuck around long enough to build the program.

No issue with that assumption. Even if the AD thought Austin would use Cornell as stepping stone to another HC position, he probably hoped that Austin would have at least stayed through year 5 of his contract at which time Cornell could have had a winning and sustainable program for his successor.

Ask Bill Courtney how that's worked out.

Chris '03

Ken711

underskill

Ken711

toddlose

Ken711

CAS
Cornell losing 31-6 early 4th quarter. Headed to 15th loss in last 16 games. 1 winning season in last 16 years. Andy has named 4 head coaches during this period.

We are the new "Columbia" of the Ivy League.

That may be an insult to Columbia.

OK, we are the new "old losing streak Columbia". We can't even kick an extra point on our lone TD? At the very least, Archer should fire his special teams coach, as special teams this season outside of our punter are abysmal. I seriously think Cornell needs to bring in an outside consultant like Columbia did before they hired Bagnoli to look at the futility of the Cornell football program and what needs to be done to turn it around.

In fairness, I thought Austin was a pretty inspired hire at the time, and who knows, but I think they would've turned into a contender had he stuck around long enough to build the program.

No issue with that assumption. Even if the AD thought Austin would use Cornell as stepping stone to another HC position, he probably hoped that Austin would have at least stayed through year 5 of his contract at which time Cornell could have had a winning and sustainable program for his successor.

Ask Bill Courtney how that's worked out.

Not well, that's for sure.

The season could have started 3-0 or 2-1 and instead it's looking more like a train wreck. Still, it's three close games less than a TD each time, and two blowout losses.

semsox
What they should probably actually do is get ahead of the curve and contract the sport. As CTE and the like continue to gain national attention and traction, the sport is only going to become less popular.

I think the quickest path to success is to contract out the sport. If the big 5 conferences can do it, why can't we?

Trailing Brown 7-0 early. Schoelkopf appears to have fewer than 1000 people in the "crowd."

Trotsky
Trailing Brown 7-0 early. Schoelkopf appears to have fewer than 1000 people in the "crowd."

Make that 21-3. That Columbia game will decide 0-10 vs 1-9.

28-3 Brown in the 2nd quarter. When do we begin our comeback?

Cornell misses two field goals already! First and goal from the 2 yard line and no points! Calling for pass plays so close to the end zone? Play calling absolutely stinks.

Princeton 7-0 in 2nd quarter.

Cornell v Princeton is on TV if you want to feel the pain.


[americansportsnet.com] has a channel lookup by zip code. Showing on NESNPlus is Boston area/comcast.

Pronceton 7-0 with a score early in the 2d quarter.

Princeton 14-0 already. We are going to be 0-10 this season after Columbia is coming on strong.

Princeton 24 Cornell 7 in 3rd qt.

abmarks
Cornell v Princeton is on TV if you want to feel the pain.


[americansportsnet.com] has a channel lookup by zip code. Showing on NESNPlus is Boston area/comcast.

Pronceton 7-0 with a score early in the 2d quarter.

Fortunately showing Bucknell - Lafayette here in Allentown. I say fortunately because I'd feel a bit guilty for not watching it if it were on.

Jeff Hopkins '82

abmarks
Cornell v Princeton is on TV if you want to feel the pain.


[americansportsnet.com] has a channel lookup by zip code. Showing on NESNPlus is Boston area/comcast.

Pronceton 7-0 with a score early in the 2d quarter.

Fortunately showing Bucknell - Lafayette here in Allentown. I say fortunately because I'd feel a bit guilty for not watching it if it were on.

34-14 in 3rd you're fortunate can't watch another loss.

Too bad Hagy is senior, he's the only player worth watching. Heck of a runner.

Ugh, great Cornell special teams play allows a 102 yd kick off return. Princeton 40 Cornell 21.