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2013-2014 Basketball

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Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2014 11:16AM

phillysportsfan
[www.cbssports.com]

Cant believe Donahue gets to keep his job one more year
So his contract expires right when Courtney's does?

Just sayin'.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2014 03:41PM

Trotsky
phillysportsfan
[www.cbssports.com]
Cant believe Donahue gets to keep his job one more year
So his contract expires right when Courtney's does? Just sayin'.
Gives Donahue, who'd love to be in Philadelphia, another year while Penn takes another year to make up its mind about coach Jerome Allen (a Penn legend as a player). Allen wins since taking over midway into 2009-2010 season:
6 (partial season)
13
20
9
8
56-85 overall in 5 seasons. The trajectory was up for 2 years, now down for 2.

Maybe Donahue steps back in a year to being an assistant. Al Skinner, previous coach at BC, was out of coaching for 2 or 3 years, now an asst at Bryant. Skinner is also 61 or 62, a decade older than Donahue. Maybe Donahue pulls out the magic rabbit next year.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2014 03:47PM by billhoward.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2014 06:04PM

If he does get fired I don't see him going to Penn, it isn't the job it was when Dunphy left. There is a lot of rebuilding to do and the alumni have unrealistic expectations, Harvard isn't going anywhere

He would be better of becoming an assistant at a major or becoming a coach at another mid major again. I hope he can put it together nex t year, has to make the tournament
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr03.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: March 17, 2014 08:54PM

phillysportsfan
[www.cbssports.com]

Cant believe Donahue gets to keep his job one more year

Nothing against Steve, but that is very surprising.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 01:14AM

yes it doest make sense, BC has a new AD, if you are the AD I don't know how you don't fire him. He recruited too many Ivy level players and should have hired more assistants with ACC experience instead of bringing his whole staff along
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 02:49PM

mountainred
phillysportsfan
[www.cbssports.com]

Cant believe Donahue gets to keep his job one more year

Nothing against Steve, but that is very surprising.

Donahue was fired today.

[www.cbssports.com]
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.sta.suddenlink.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 02:51PM

Ken711
mountainred
phillysportsfan
[www.cbssports.com]

Cant believe Donahue gets to keep his job one more year

Nothing against Steve, but that is very surprising.

Donahue was fired today.

[www.cbssports.com]

So much for the earlier source.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 04:59PM

Boston Globe
Who will replace Donahue? According to multiple sources, Harvard’s Tommy Amaker is the leading candidate for the position. “In the next 24 hours, we are going to begin a needs assessment for our program,” [AD Brad] Bates said. “We need to identify a profile of the specific coaches that can lead us at this point.” Amaker is a likely choice because of his ACC pedigree, having played and served as an assistant at Duke under coach Mike Krzyzewski. Amaker also had head coaching stints in the Big East at Seton Hall and in the Big Ten at Michigan, recruiting blue-chip prospects at both schools.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 09:12PM

Typical media, always trying to put the story out there first

I think Amaker can hold out for better jobs, a good job in a bad league is better than a bad job in a good league

Will be interesting to see where Donahue goes
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 10:27PM

If you've got good contacts into New England college hoops, you hear Amaker is being considered, you know part of what you hear is a trial balloon ... and you don't write it? Please.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2014 10:49PM

phillysportsfan
Typical media, always trying to put the story out there first

I think Amaker can hold out for better jobs, a good job in a bad league is better than a bad job in a good league

Will be interesting to see where Donahue goes

Penn would be my guess.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: March 19, 2014 07:29AM

phillysportsfan
Typical media, always trying to put the story out there first

I think Amaker can hold out for better jobs, a good job in a bad league is better than a bad job in a good league

Will be interesting to see where Donahue goes

I could easily see Amaker going to BC. Maybe he likes living in Boston. Maybe his wife has cemented her career. Does he have kids? Maybe they are in high school and the family doesn't want to leave. Maybe BC could make him a financial offer too good to pass up. We lost a lacrosse coach because of family reasons, if "reports are to be believed":-}.

 
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Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2014 08:36AM

Jim Hyla
phillysportsfan
Typical media, always trying to put the story out there first

I think Amaker can hold out for better jobs, a good job in a bad league is better than a bad job in a good league

Will be interesting to see where Donahue goes

I could easily see Amaker going to BC. Maybe he likes living in Boston. Maybe his wife has cemented her career. Does he have kids? Maybe they are in high school and the family doesn't want to leave. Maybe BC could make him a financial offer too good to pass up. We lost a lacrosse coach because of family reasons, if "reports are to be believed":-}.
Amaker has a nice $2,000,000 second home on Cape Cod.

 
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Re: 2013-2014 Basketball - Amaker to BC?
Posted by: mountainred (---.sta.suddenlink.net)
Date: March 19, 2014 08:50AM

Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
phillysportsfan
Typical media, always trying to put the story out there first

I think Amaker can hold out for better jobs, a good job in a bad league is better than a bad job in a good league

Will be interesting to see where Donahue goes

I could easily see Amaker going to BC. Maybe he likes living in Boston. Maybe his wife has cemented her career. Does he have kids? Maybe they are in high school and the family doesn't want to leave. Maybe BC could make him a financial offer too good to pass up. We lost a lacrosse coach because of family reasons, if "reports are to be believed":-}.
Amaker has a nice $2,000,000 second home on Cape Cod.

I doubt Amaker ever leaves Harvard unless Duke comes calling. BC does have the advantage of not uprooting his family; from a quick internet search, it appears his wife has an impressive career going with Harvard's med school. His record at Seton Hall and Michigan was okay, but nothing too sterling, and I think he is smart enough to realize his Harvard success is largely a function of Harvard's willingness to bend the AI to establish a good basketball team. If he goes anywhere else, he goes back to a level playing field and likely reverts to an average basketball coach.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: semsox (---.bootp.Virginia.EDU)
Date: March 20, 2014 03:08PM

Cressler leaving the program. Hopefully this is the kind of move it takes to get Andy off his ass and make the move that should be made. I'm disgusted
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2014 03:15PM

semsox
Cressler leaving the program. Hopefully this is the kind of move it takes to get Andy off his ass and make the move that should be made. I'm disgusted

Agreed, I wouldnt be surprised if Miller leaves next, then we are really screwed. Andy needs to call Donahue now!
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-70-208-71.myvzw.com)
Date: March 20, 2014 04:10PM

Cressler averaged 17 points a game for a team that scored only 64/game, and was only a sophomore. When you thought it couldn't get any worse...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2014 04:26PM by CAS.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2014 04:29PM

And Harvard limps into another NCAA tournament win, ugly game
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2014 04:30PM by phillysportsfan.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: ugarte (207.239.110.---)
Date: March 20, 2014 04:34PM

semsox
Cressler leaving the program. Hopefully this is the kind of move it takes to get Andy off his ass and make the move that should be made. I'm disgusted
Link or is this deep background?

 
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Rita (---.med.miami.edu)
Date: March 20, 2014 04:42PM

phillysportsfan
And Harvard limps into another NCAA tournament win, ugly game

there goes my 1 billion dollar bracket :(.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: French Rage (---.packetdesign.com)
Date: March 20, 2014 04:43PM

phillysportsfan
And Harvard limps into another NCAA tournament win, ugly game

So it's only hockey where they can't win NCAA games.

 
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Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2014 06:07PM

ugarte
semsox
Cressler leaving the program. Hopefully this is the kind of move it takes to get Andy off his ass and make the move that should be made. I'm disgusted
Link or is this deep background?

First reported by this guy: , [twitter.com] lists others who reported it
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (209.155.110.---)
Date: March 20, 2014 06:52PM

Awful news, if true, about Nolan.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2014 07:14PM

mountainred
Awful news, if true, about Nolan.

The only plus side is if this forces Andy to have to fire Courtney now
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (209.155.110.---)
Date: March 20, 2014 09:49PM

phillysportsfan
mountainred
Awful news, if true, about Nolan.

The only plus side is if this forces Andy to have to fire Courtney now

Cancer, Harmon (who was a highly-regarded recruit even though he never played) and now Cressler. You have to hope that gets Andy's attention once he gets back from OKC. Of course, the school record for losses wasn't enough, so who knows?
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2014 09:56PM

mountainred
phillysportsfan
mountainred
Awful news, if true, about Nolan.

The only plus side is if this forces Andy to have to fire Courtney now

Cancer, Harmon (who was a highly-regarded recruit even though he never played) and now Cressler. You have to hope that gets Andy's attention once he gets back from OKC. Of course, the school record for losses wasn't enough, so who knows?

Well if they were going to fire him from the beginning they would probably wait till next week anyway when wrestling is over
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2014 03:25AM

[triblive.com]


“It all depends on the fit,” said Cressler, who turned heads at last summer's Pittsburgh Basketball Club Pro-Am, scoring 38 in one game. “I feel I can play at a higher level. If it can work out on the basketball court, and I can continue the high level of education, than that's where I'll be.”

Look like its a done deal that he is gone, article has direct quotes from Cressler
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: scoop85 (173.84.100.---)
Date: March 21, 2014 07:51AM

phillysportsfan
[triblive.com]


“It all depends on the fit,” said Cressler, who turned heads at last summer's Pittsburgh Basketball Club Pro-Am, scoring 38 in one game. “I feel I can play at a higher level. If it can work out on the basketball court, and I can continue the high level of education, than that's where I'll be.”

Look like its a done deal that he is gone, article has direct quotes from Cressler

I wonder if a place like Northwestern might be a good fit for him. Up-and-coming young coach and top-flight academics, and he can fill a real need for a team that can have trouble scoring.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2014 08:09AM

Yes Northwestern is on his list but it appears he wants to go to Pitt where he is from,
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: ugarte (207.239.110.---)
Date: March 21, 2014 09:11AM

If he can play at those schools he shouldn't be at Cornell anyway. *ducks*

Just occurred to me that this year Courtney's old team, American, made the tournament for the first time since he left.

 
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: scoop85 (173.84.100.---)
Date: March 21, 2014 09:40AM

ugarte
If he can play at those schools he shouldn't be at Cornell anyway. *ducks*

Just occurred to me that this year Courtney's old team, American, made the tournament for the first time since he left.

I don't think Courtney ever coached at American. Perhaps your thinking of George Mason?
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: ugarte (207.239.110.---)
Date: March 21, 2014 10:05AM

scoop85
ugarte
If he can play at those schools he shouldn't be at Cornell anyway. *ducks*

Just occurred to me that this year Courtney's old team, American, made the tournament for the first time since he left.

I don't think Courtney ever coached at American. Perhaps your thinking of George Mason?
He did coach at American, but it was his first job, not his last job. I don't know why that stuck in my head instead of his (more impressive) association with Larranaga at BGSU/GMU.

 
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: scoop85 (173.84.100.---)
Date: March 21, 2014 10:35AM

ugarte
scoop85
ugarte
If he can play at those schools he shouldn't be at Cornell anyway. *ducks*

Just occurred to me that this year Courtney's old team, American, made the tournament for the first time since he left.

I don't think Courtney ever coached at American. Perhaps your thinking of George Mason?
He did coach at American, but it was his first job, not his last job. I don't know why that stuck in my head instead of his (more impressive) association with Larranaga at BGSU/GMU.

ok -- I didn't recall that he had been at American.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2014 04:52PM

Andy, please stop the insanity.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2014 09:19PM by CAS.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 09:11AM

Is there any accountability for performance?
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 22, 2014 11:10AM

CAS
Is there any accountability for performance?

From what I see and hear it's likely a matter that Cornell doesn't have it in the athletic department budget to fire coaches without cause (and being a horrible coach is not cause, as much as we might like it to be). Barring some miraculous turnaround next year, I assume Courtney will just be a lame duck -- which is certainly not beneficial to the program.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 02:01PM

scoop85
CAS
Is there any accountability for performance?

From what I see and hear it's likely a matter that Cornell doesn't have it in the athletic department budget to fire coaches without cause (and being a horrible coach is not cause, as much as we might like it to be). Barring some miraculous turnaround next year, I assume Courtney will just be a lame duck -- which is certainly not beneficial to the program.

I think the Indiana University alumni were involved in buying out one coach (Kelvin Sampson even though there were also NC$$ violations involved too) and I heard rumors that they want to buy out the current coach Tom Crean who in the six years he has been there (the first ones cleaning up the mess left by Sampson) has a 0.510 winning percentage and two NC$$ tourney bids.

So I guess if the alumni want Courtney to go, they need to pony up the money.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2014 08:24PM by Rita.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 07:57PM

How much you think it'll take?
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 08:27PM

toddlose
How much you think it'll take?

I'm not sure, but IU alumni care about their basketball 100X times more than I think the Cornell alumni base. When I lived in the land of the Boilermakers (West Lafayette, 2004-2009), it was practically a state of emergency/diaster when the Indiana basketball teams did not make the NC$$s. I don't remember the exact numbers, but a substantial amount of money was pledged to help the athletic department with the financial implications of getting out of the contract.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Weder (---.washpost.com)
Date: March 22, 2014 08:40PM

Keith Olbermann gave a shout-out to the Sweet 16 team last night.

video: [www.youtube.com]
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (209.155.110.---)
Date: March 22, 2014 08:59PM

Rita
toddlose
How much you think it'll take?

I'm not sure, but IU alumni care about their basketball 100X times more than I think the Cornell alumni base. When I lived in the land of the Boilermakers (West Lafayette, 2004-2009), it was practically a state of emergency/diaster when the Indiana basketball teams did not make the NC$$s. I don't remember the exact numbers, but a substantial amount of money was pledged to help the athletic department with the financial implications of getting out of the contract.

100X is probably an underestimate. IU alumni probably care 100X more about hoops than Cornell alumni (eLynah company excepted) care about hockey. They are rather fanatical.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 10:04PM

What do you think the revenues for men's basketball (ticket sales, fundraising, etc.) will be in 2014-5 if no changes are made?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2014 10:35PM by CAS.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 11:33PM

Weder
Keith Olbermann gave a shout-out to the Sweet 16 team last night.

video: [www.youtube.com]





He told the same story on Countdown when we made the Sweet 16. Hard to believe that was only 4 years ago, Sweet 16 to 1 win
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2014 11:40PM by phillysportsfan.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 11:36PM

CAS
What do you think the revenues for men's basketball (ticket sales, fundraising, etc.) will be in 2014-5 if no changes are made?

I would imagine revenues were low this year since we knew from the beginning Miller was out and Courtney couldnt coach.

Revenues probably cannot go much lower and we cannot possibly be worse next year, I would think by accident they can get more than 1 win.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 11:39PM

toddlose
How much you think it'll take?

Courtney makes somewhere between 200-350K
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2014 11:39PM by phillysportsfan.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2014 11:57PM

Harvard gave Mich St (a popular champion pick) a real battle, if Amaker sticks around a Sweet 16 appearance for them seems inevitable.

Andy, now that wrestling is over time to get rid of Courtney. The conference continues to get better with 5 schools in the postseason and Harvard just missing the Sweet 16 while we plummet to a historically bad year. If you dont find a way to fire Courtney now, it is painfully obvious you dont care at all about basketball
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 23, 2014 12:22PM

Interestingly Steve Donahue was fired with 2 years remaining on a contract that reportedly paid him over $1 million per year. So BC ate in excess of $2 million in dismissing him.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 23, 2014 01:10PM

phillysportsfan
Courtney makes somewhere between 200-350K

What's wrong with this picture? According to the 2013 AAUP faculty salary survey, Cornell paid on average $159.8k, $110.7k and $97.8k (9 month equivalents) for Full, Associate and Assistant Professors. CU faculty salaries rank around the 90th percentile among doctoral institutions, but exceeded only Brown in the Ivy League.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 23, 2014 03:03PM

It is an endowed position so I don't know how much Cornell actually pays him a year (if anything) vs what the donor pays that endowed the position.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Weder (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 23, 2014 03:21PM

George64
phillysportsfan
Courtney makes somewhere between 200-350K

What's wrong with this picture? According to the 2013 AAUP faculty salary survey, Cornell paid on average $159.8k, $110.7k and $97.8k (9 month equivalents) for Full, Associate and Assistant Professors. CU faculty salaries rank around the 90th percentile among doctoral institutions, but exceeded only Brown in the Ivy League.

Adjusted for cost of living, I'd guess that Cornell is comparable to the other Ivies. I did one calculation, and the average salary for a full professor at Cornell comes out ahead of the salary for a full professor at Columbia who wants to live in Queens.

EDIT: Though I wonder if the average Cornell salaries include the medical school faculty, and if the data for those professors have a significant impact.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2014 03:25PM by Weder.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 23, 2014 04:04PM

Weder
EDIT: Though I wonder if the average Cornell salaries include the medical school faculty, and if the data for those professors have a significant impact.
I recall reading that it's the Ithaca campus only, but I can't find the reference now.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 23, 2014 09:28PM

George64
Weder
EDIT: Though I wonder if the average Cornell salaries include the medical school faculty, and if the data for those professors have a significant impact.
I recall reading that it's the Ithaca campus only, but I can't find the reference now.
I remember reading a story years ago about how a Sun reporter looked up the top five highest paid Cornell employees, expecting to find out how much Dale Corson made, but was disappointed to find that the top five were all on the Med School faculty.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: billhoward (12.173.10.---)
Date: March 25, 2014 12:26AM

Definitely have to adjust for cost of living. A decent house in Cambridge, NYC or Princeton would be at least $1 million. That kind of house in Princeton at least would carry $25K in property taxes.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 25, 2014 12:29PM

billhoward
Definitely have to adjust for cost of living. A decent house in Cambridge, NYC or Princeton would be at least $1 million. That kind of house in Princeton at least would carry $25K in property taxes.

But against this you have to weigh that you're living in Cambridge, NYC, or about an hour from either NYC or Philly. YGWYPF.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 25, 2014 02:01PM

David Harding
I remember reading a story years ago about how a Sun reporter looked up the top five highest paid Cornell employees, expecting to find out how much Dale Corson made, but was disappointed to find that the top five were all on the Med School faculty.
Sill true, owing largely to practice revenues, according to 2011 IRS 990. By comparison, at BC highest compensated employees include Spaziani (football) $1.1m, Donahue $1.0m, and York $0.5m. Jim Boeheim garnered $2.2m at Syracuse and Mike Krzyzewski scored $10.5m at Duke. These amounts include base compensation, bonuses and incentives, deferred compensation, and nontaxable benefits.
 

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Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: March 27, 2014 01:24PM

Andy, your silence is deafening.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2014 08:02PM

[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr03.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: March 28, 2014 08:13AM

phillysportsfan
[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."

The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 28, 2014 10:05AM

mountainred
phillysportsfan
[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."

The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?

"NCAA Elite Eight"? LOL, I think meant Ancient Eight is in the Ivy League....
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.sta.suddenlink.net)
Date: March 28, 2014 10:12AM

Ken711
mountainred
phillysportsfan
[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."

The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?

"NCAA Elite Eight"? LOL, I think meant Ancient Eight is in the Ivy League....

Also from the article: "Unlike a handful of coaches taking over a program, Courtney doesn't need to turn a losing culture into a winning one."

Unfortunatley, his successor will.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 28, 2014 12:24PM

mountainred
Ken711
mountainred
phillysportsfan
[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."

The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?

"NCAA Elite Eight"? LOL, I think meant Ancient Eight is in the Ivy League....

Also from the article: "Unlike a handful of coaches taking over a program, Courtney doesn't need to turn a losing culture into a winning one."

Seems he did just the opposite.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 28, 2014 02:42PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
mountainred
Ken711
mountainred
phillysportsfan
[collegebasketball.rivals.com]

Hard not to laugh when reading this article, Courtney sure said all the right things to get hired:


"He said 'The Sweet 16 was great; why not Elite Eight?' " Wroblewski said. "He could tell there was talent left."

"When I got to George Mason with Jim Larranaga, we had to teach guys how to win and perform and behave like winners," said Courtney, who was an assistant with the Patriots from 1997-2005. "These guys understand that already. You can spend more time X'ing and O'ing."

The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?

"NCAA Elite Eight"? LOL, I think meant Ancient Eight is in the Ivy League....

Also from the article: "Unlike a handful of coaches taking over a program, Courtney doesn't need to turn a losing culture into a winning one."

Seems he did just the opposite.
I don't buy this. Cornell basketball never had a "winning culture". Cornell lacrosse has a winning culture, which is why the program continues to be solid this year without Pannell and DeLuca and all the other departures. Cornell basketball is a historically mediocre-to-bad program that had one really awesome three-year run.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 28, 2014 03:14PM

Cornell basketball had a winning Ivy record for each of Donahue's last 6 years. There is no reason
Cornell can't produce a competitive program. Look at the recent success of some of the other Ivies,
who certainly haven't had a winning tradition.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 28, 2014 03:28PM

CAS
Cornell basketball had a winning Ivy record for each of Donahue's last 6 years. There is no reason
Cornell can't produce a competitive program. Look at the recent success of some of the other Ivies,
who certainly haven't had a winning tradition.
No, that's true. There's no fundamental reason Cornell can't produce a competitive program, certainly not at the Ivy level. But that's different from acting like they've historically been a successful program.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 28, 2014 09:54PM

mountainred
The X'ing and O'ing has to start soon, right?

Now they dont have the time.


[www.thedp.com]

Penn is giving Cornell a good fight for which basketball team is at a lower point, one of their players was just arrested for burglary
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr03.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: March 29, 2014 09:57AM

Josh '99
CAS
Cornell basketball had a winning Ivy record for each of Donahue's last 6 years. There is no reason
Cornell can't produce a competitive program. Look at the recent success of some of the other Ivies,
who certainly haven't had a winning tradition.
No, that's true. There's no fundamental reason Cornell can't produce a competitive program, certainly not at the Ivy level. But that's different from acting like they've historically been a successful program.

The team Courtney inherited knew only Ivy titles; now there isn't a player left who remembers an Ivy winning record. Harvard's basketball history was even worse than ours until Tommy decided the AI was more of a suggestion than a rule. Harvard now has a culture of winning and they expect to win every Ivy game they play. Team cultures have four year lifespans.

Once upon a time, I would have been very happy to have a program like Penn in basketball. Now that we may have it, I don't want it.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 29, 2014 11:39AM

mountainred
Team cultures have four year lifespans.
Thank you for this. Without glossing over how full the collapse has been, can we at least acknowledge that Donohue left Cornell just as the best senior class in Cornell history was graduating? There were some good players left on the team, and they had a history of success, but that success was due mostly to people who were no longer going to be playing basketball for Cornell. There was no team culture of winning. There were better players, so the team won.

 
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 29, 2014 03:21PM

ugarte
mountainred
Team cultures have four year lifespans.
Thank you for this. Without glossing over how full the collapse has been, can we at least acknowledge that Donohue left Cornell just as the best senior class in Cornell history was graduating? There were some good players left on the team, and they had a history of success, but that success was due mostly to people who were no longer going to be playing basketball for Cornell. There was no team culture of winning. There were better players, so the team won.

Materialist!
 
Re: 2013-2014 Basketball
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr03.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: March 30, 2014 01:34PM

ugarte
mountainred
Team cultures have four year lifespans.
Thank you for this. Without glossing over how full the collapse has been, can we at least acknowledge that Donohue left Cornell just as the best senior class in Cornell history was graduating? There were some good players left on the team, and they had a history of success, but that success was due mostly to people who were no longer going to be playing basketball for Cornell. There was no team culture of winning. There were better players, so the team won.

We are probably way past the beating a dead horse stage, but is anyone not acknowledging that the Class of 2010 was the best senior class in Cornell basketball history? There's a pretty good argument that three of the five best players in school history were in that class.

I completely agree that the team culture when Courtney took over as built by guys who were about to graduate. Still, guys like 'ski, Wire and Peck expected to win and there was the opportunity to maintain some of that. But, team cultures are fragile and can turnover quickly. Our has and the next Cornell basketball coach will have to start from scratch at instilling a winning attitude.
 
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