Cornell lacrosse 2014

Laxmagazine.com "Way Too Early Rankings for 2014"

The skinny: The Big Red has some practice at replacing Rob Pannell, and the result in 2012 when he went down with a season-ending injury was a missed NCAA tournament.

That has to be on the table again in 2014, as there’s no easy way to replace the NCAA’s career scoring leader — not to mention a 60-goal crease attackman (Steve Mock), a nearly 30-goal midfielder (Max Van Bourgondien), a first-team All-America defenseman (Jason Noble), a turnover-creating pole who can spark transition (Thomas Keith), a three-year starter at goalie (A.J. Fiore) and 10 other seniors as well.

After an uneven second half of the 2012 season, the Big Red reasserted itself as a relentless, ferocious and prideful bunch this year, especially after being unseeded at the start of the postseason. Playing Cornell will not be a pleasant experience next year, but it won’t have the presence of the best player in the country to make the 60 minutes quite so excruciating for foes. A step back is almost inevitable; it’s just a matter of how substantial it is.

[www.laxmagazine.com] Lacrosse magazine rates Cornell #13 in 2014. Each team is summarized by senior starts lost (100 of 180 for Cornell, 56%) and scoring departed (255 of 401 points, 64%).

It rates Princeton No. 9, Yale No. 6. It's doing the top 20 in groups of five, hasn't released 1-5 yet.

[www.msgvarsity.com]

2013 All Tri-state boys lacrosse first team: Dan Nemirov.


FIRST TEAM
GOALIE
DAN NEMIROV
Ward Melville, Long Island, 5-7, 170 (committed to Cornell)
The Cornell-bound keeper was rock-solid between the pipes as Ward Melville allowed double-digit goals just once all year en route to a 22-0 season and a NYS Class A title.

"He applied on his own to Cornell, he got in. [Nemirov] is going to Cornell as a preferred walk-on." Language constantly evolves.

Strunk and White are rolling over.

How many keepers are they going to have next season?

Dan Nemirov's Ward-Melville finishes 22-0 and ranked #1 in the country.

Link



I believe Cornell has had a history of attracting stellar-performing late bloomers. Some guy named Rob?

margolism
Dan Nemirov's Ward-Melville finishes 22-0 and ranked #1 in the country.
Link
I believe Cornell has had a history of attracting stellar-performing late bloomers. Some guy named Rob?

Thanks. That is useful context. Ward-Melville beat West Genesee 16-4, 15X state champ, for the NYS Class A title.

Was trying to find his stats for the season, but to no avail thus far. (Then again, I didn't try all that hard.)

rss77
How many keepers are they going to have next season?

Looks to me like there's four:

1. Joyce, Jr from Landon HS
2. Donville, So Hill School
3. Knight, fr, Boys Latin
4. Nemirov, fr, Ward Melville

Doesn't take into account a fifth, West, if he decides to return. All sound like potential stars, all from powerhouse programs. Sounds like too many to me. Maybe somebody is leaving.

Also, we have a great defense recruit, Scott D'Antonio from Garden City. Big kid who plays physical as shown in this clip, Number 31 in white. Yeah, he got flagged for it, but I thought it was a good hit. Watch the second flag come down on the goaltender, who also mugs a guy. That hit deserved the flag.

This link takes you to a page of highlights, mostly football- scroll down to the bottom and click on the icon for "2011-12 lacrosse season."

video: [www.hudl.com]

Lacrosse is well represented in Cornell's selections for Academic All-Ivy.

3 from Men's lacrosse. Rest of the league had a TOTAL of 3: one each from Penn, H and Y.

Zero Hockey players. I'm shocked.

TimV
3 from Men's lacrosse. Rest of the league had a TOTAL of 3: one each from Penn, H and Y.

Zero Hockey players. I'm shocked.

It isn't clear to me at all why I bothered to look at the list, but a good reason that no hockey players were included is that it is the Spring Academic All-Ivy list.

the single year highest scoring combo in NCAA history: 1974: Trenz 6.5 ppg, French 6.71 ppg; and highest goals ppg

I haven't been able to confirm this, but I heard a rumor that the 2014 Cornell-Princeton lacrosse game will be held at Bethpage High School on Long Island as part of the 4th annual "Battle of Bethpage." The mother of a friend of mine works for BHS in an administrative capacity and she tends to hear about events held at the school before they're officially announced, so that's how I found out. The 2013 version was St. Johns vs. Georgetown. If this is true, it's a huge step down from playing at MetLife Stadium (although I'm not complaining because I can walk to the game from home). Now that I think of it, she didn't specify whether it was the men's team or the women's team and it would make more sense for it to be a women's game. Last year, at least, they had two games, one for each gender.

onetime
the single year highest scoring combo in NCAA history: 1974: Trenz 6.5 ppg, French 6.71 ppg; and highest goals ppg

Would've been even higher as a trio: Freshmen were still a few years from being eligible in the Ivies. Otherwise the third attackman would have been Eamon McEneaney, who won the Turnbull Award (best attackman) the next year as a sophomore, so he would have been respectable even as a sophomore. McEneaney is sixth all-time in NCAA assists.

jtn27
I haven't been able to confirm this, but I heard a rumor that the 2014 Cornell-Princeton lacrosse game will be held at Bethpage High School on Long Island as part of the 4th annual "Battle of Bethpage.

Would be a Princeton home game otherwise.

Al DeFlorio

jtn27
I haven't been able to confirm this, but I heard a rumor that the 2014 Cornell-Princeton lacrosse game will be held at Bethpage High School on Long Island as part of the 4th annual "Battle of Bethpage.

Would be a Princeton home game otherwise.

One hopes that when Cornell agreed to give up its home game vs. Princeton to play at Meadowlands this year, that Princeton would reciprocate in 2014. I was hoping they'd go back to Meadowlands for next year's Big City Classic, which is likely to draw more fans and media attention, since Inside Lacrosse promotes it shamelessly. There are repeater teams: Syracuse has been in every one since the first in 2009, Notre Dame has been in the past two, Princeton played in years 1, 2 and 5.

Rob Pannell Set To Participate In First MLL All-Star Game

Incoming lax class announced here: [www.laxpower.com]

Al DeFlorio
Incoming lax class announced here: [www.laxpower.com]

>>> Grant Mahler 5-10/175 M Village of Golf, Fla./St. Andrew's School

The aid package better include a parka and gloves.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Incoming lax class announced here: [www.laxpower.com]

>>> Grant Mahler 5-10/175 M Village of Golf, Fla./St. Andrew's School

The aid package better include a parka and gloves.

Golf, Florida is a real village with 260 residents that is one of the highest-income places in the United States. It's 0.8 square miles, most of which, not surprisingly, is taken up by a golf course, the Country Club of Florida. It's also bordered by three other golf courses. Florida is a silly place.

Josh '99

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Incoming lax class announced here: [www.laxpower.com]

>>> Grant Mahler 5-10/175 M Village of Golf, Fla./St. Andrew's School

The aid package better include a parka and gloves.

Golf, Florida is a real village with 260 residents that is one of the highest-income places in the United States. It's 0.8 square miles, most of which, not surprisingly, is taken up by a golf course, the Country Club of Florida. It's also bordered by three other golf courses. Florida is a silly place.

Considering they named their school "St. Andrews" on top of calling the town "Golf", I'd have to agree.

Mind you. it's better than calling it python infested swamp.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Josh '99

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Incoming lax class announced here: [www.laxpower.com]

>>> Grant Mahler 5-10/175 M Village of Golf, Fla./St. Andrew's School

The aid package better include a parka and gloves.

Golf, Florida is a real village with 260 residents that is one of the highest-income places in the United States. It's 0.8 square miles, most of which, not surprisingly, is taken up by a golf course, the Country Club of Florida. It's also bordered by three other golf courses. Florida is a silly place.

Considering they named their school "St. Andrews" on top of calling the town "Golf", I'd have to agree.

Mind you. it's better than calling it python infested swamp.

When I found my village, I get to call it "Sleep Late and Watch TV, Florida," right? It will be a separately managed section of the township of "Drink Beer And Waste Time On The Internet."

And if there are any fans of manufactured superlatives out there, please find the authors of the "About" page of the Village of Golf's website and congratulate them: [www.villageofgolf.org]

Not quite on topic, but Rob Pannell '13 Named MLL Rookie of the Year.

Fall ball again at the Landon School in Bethesda to benefit the Boiardi Foundation:

[www.capitallacrosseinvitational.org]

Cornell, Penn State, Bucknell, Lehigh participating. Someone posted October 12 as the date on laxpower but that doesn't yet appear on the event's web page.

Al DeFlorio
Fall ball again at the Landon School in Bethesda to benefit the Boiardi Foundation:

[www.capitallacrosseinvitational.org]

Cornell, Penn State, Bucknell, Lehigh participating. Someone posted October 12 as the date on laxpower but that doesn't yet appear on the event's web page.

But below that,

Capital Lacrosse
The event includes 4 of the top Division 1 collegiate men’s lacrosse programs in the country: Cornell University, Johns Hopkins University, Penn State University and the University of North Carolina

Well, Alabama-Huntsville is one of the top 59 Division 1 collegiate men's hockey program in the country...

Swampy

Al DeFlorio
Fall ball again at the Landon School in Bethesda to benefit the Boiardi Foundation:

[www.capitallacrosseinvitational.org]

Cornell, Penn State, Bucknell, Lehigh participating. Someone posted October 12 as the date on laxpower but that doesn't yet appear on the event's web page.

But below that,

Capital Lacrosse
The event includes 4 of the top Division 1 collegiate men’s lacrosse programs in the country: Cornell University, Johns Hopkins University, Penn State University and the University of North Carolina

That's last year's list.

Not CU lacrosse, but for those of us old enough to have seen him, an interesting NY Times article titled "A Sidekick’s Little-Known Leading Role in Lacrosse".

This doesn't look good:

University sanctions men's lacrosse team for hazing violation

Considering that one of the fall ball events is a benefit for the Boiardi Foundation, it can't be good at all.

Weder
Considering that one of the fall ball events is a benefit for the Boiardi Foundation, it can't be good at all.

Some more detail:

Cornell spokesperson confirms men's lacrosse is being disciplined for alleged "coerced consumption of alcohol by underage freshmen."

— Corey McLaughlin (@Corey_McL) September 20, 2013

NYT article

Forced consumption of alcohol sounds like assault. Forced consumption of alcohol by underage freshmen sounds like contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

It's not that the charges are shocking -- lots (most?) (all?) men's teams and frats outside of BYU do some version of this. But a couple uses of the criminal justice system would probably relegate it to the dustbin of history. Throw in a couple more parental law suits against the university or the national chapters for fostering this type of environment and war's over, Wormer dropped the big one.

JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country, old enough to drink" camp. But I do agree that hazing is not appropriate.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country, old enough to drink" camp.

Me too. Raise the recruitment age to 21.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country, old enough to drink" camp.

Me too. Raise the recruitment age to 21.

Not quite where I was going.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country the military/government/industrial complex

FYP.

Kyle Rose

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country the military/government/industrial complex

FYP.

Works for me. I need continued employment.

KeithK

Kyle Rose

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country the military/government/industrial complex

FYP.

Works for me. I need continued employment.

What's the exchange rate between 55" flat screen TVs and dead brown people?

Kyle Rose

KeithK

Kyle Rose

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country the military/government/industrial complex

FYP.

Works for me. I need continued employment.

What's the exchange rate between 55" flat screen TVs and dead brown people?

That's a totally ireelevant comment. I am shopping for a 60" TV.

Kyle Rose

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
JFC, I'm old. I'm actually on the side of that foot is me.

Took me a second to translate this

FWIW, I'm in the "Old enough to die for your country the military/government/industrial complex

FYP.

Good point.

Looks like NCAA tournament will have 18 teams next year, apparently with four lowest-ranked automatic qualifiers playing mid-week to determine which two will advance to round of 16 on the weekend:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Al DeFlorio
Looks like NCAA tournament will have 18 teams next year, apparently with four lowest-ranked automatic qualifiers playing mid-week to determine which two will advance to round of 16 on the weekend:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Hmm. Why the four lowest ranked AQ's and not just the four lowest ranked teams? Strikes me as big conference bias.

Not to mention just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Looks like NCAA tournament will have 18 teams next year, apparently with four lowest-ranked automatic qualifiers playing mid-week to determine which two will advance to round of 16 on the weekend:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Hmm. Why the four lowest ranked AQ's and not just the four lowest ranked teams? Strikes me as big conference bias.

Not to mention just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Because of this:

NCAA bylaws mandate that at least 50% of a tournament field be at-large qualifiers; with the number of AQ conferences rising to 10 next season, that means that the bracket must expand to either include 10 at-large berths or “eliminate” two AQs prior to the bracket officially beginning.


...teams will be considered tournament participants and the games will be held after tournament selection; the distinction now is that play-in games are not officially considered part of the bracket.

So they had to eliminate 2 AQ teams. It would make sense to eliminate the lowest ranked ones.

Jim Hyla

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Looks like NCAA tournament will have 18 teams next year, apparently with four lowest-ranked automatic qualifiers playing mid-week to determine which two will advance to round of 16 on the weekend:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Hmm. Why the four lowest ranked AQ's and not just the four lowest ranked teams? Strikes me as big conference bias.

Not to mention just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Because of this:

NCAA bylaws mandate that at least 50% of a tournament field be at-large qualifiers; with the number of AQ conferences rising to 10 next season, that means that the bracket must expand to either include 10 at-large berths or “eliminate” two AQs prior to the bracket officially beginning.


...teams will be considered tournament participants and the games will be held after tournament selection; the distinction now is that play-in games are not officially considered part of the bracket.

So they had to eliminate 2 AQ teams. It would make sense to eliminate the lowest ranked ones.

OK. Missed that.

But it still seems a jury-rigged solution to me. If you have 10 conferences, and you have enough teams to justify the 50% rule, go up to 20 teams and be done with it. And if the original rationale was that conferences were expected to be larger than 6 or 7 teams, then the rule itself needs modification. Don't eliminate the AQ's and say they didn't make the tournament.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Jim Hyla

Jeff Hopkins '82

Al DeFlorio
Looks like NCAA tournament will have 18 teams next year, apparently with four lowest-ranked automatic qualifiers playing mid-week to determine which two will advance to round of 16 on the weekend:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Hmm. Why the four lowest ranked AQ's and not just the four lowest ranked teams? Strikes me as big conference bias.

Not to mention just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Because of this:

NCAA bylaws mandate that at least 50% of a tournament field be at-large qualifiers; with the number of AQ conferences rising to 10 next season, that means that the bracket must expand to either include 10 at-large berths or “eliminate” two AQs prior to the bracket officially beginning.


...teams will be considered tournament participants and the games will be held after tournament selection; the distinction now is that play-in games are not officially considered part of the bracket.

So they had to eliminate 2 AQ teams. It would make sense to eliminate the lowest ranked ones.

OK. Missed that.

But it still seems a jury-rigged solution to me. If you have 10 conferences, and you have enough teams to justify the 50% rule, go up to 20 teams and be done with it. And if the original rationale was that conferences were expected to be larger than 6 or 7 teams, then the rule itself needs modification. Don't eliminate the AQ's and say they didn't make the tournament.

But they do make the tournament.

This policy change means going forward, the NCAA will cover expenses, teams will be considered tournament participants and the games will be held after tournament selection; the distinction now is that play-in games are not officially considered part of the bracket.

And it was because of money.

“[Bracket expansion] is out of sync with the NCAA budget cycle to begin in the 2013-14 academic year. There isn't the money to expand the bracket right now,”

I just got this email forwarded to me:

Bethpage Union Free School District Listserv
Battle at Bethpage IV- SAVE THE DATE
The Bethpage Educational Foundation is pleased to announce the the Battle at Bethpage IV will feature
NCAA Mens' Lacrosse Cornell v. Princeton
April 26, 2014
at the Bethpage Athletic Complex
This is a major game with national playoff implications and we expect a HUGE crowd. More details will follow.

"Bethpage Athletic Complex" is code for Bethpage High School football field. I'm not sure how they expect to have a "HUGE" crowd; these are the home bleachers. The away side is even smaller.

jtn27
I just got this email forwarded to me:

Bethpage Union Free School District Listserv
Battle at Bethpage IV- SAVE THE DATE
The Bethpage Educational Foundation is pleased to announce the the Battle at Bethpage IV will feature
NCAA Mens' Lacrosse Cornell v. Princeton
April 26, 2014
at the Bethpage Athletic Complex
This is a major game with national playoff implications and we expect a HUGE crowd. More details will follow.

"Bethpage Athletic Complex" is code for Bethpage High School football field. I'm not sure how they expect to have a "HUGE" crowd; these are the home bleachers. The away side is even smaller.

Why is the game there?

phillysportsfan

jtn27
I just got this email forwarded to me:

Bethpage Union Free School District Listserv
Battle at Bethpage IV- SAVE THE DATE
The Bethpage Educational Foundation is pleased to announce the the Battle at Bethpage IV will feature
NCAA Mens' Lacrosse Cornell v. Princeton
April 26, 2014
at the Bethpage Athletic Complex
This is a major game with national playoff implications and we expect a HUGE crowd. More details will follow.

"Bethpage Athletic Complex" is code for Bethpage High School football field. I'm not sure how they expect to have a "HUGE" crowd; these are the home bleachers. The away side is even smaller.

Why is the game there?

I don't know. The only thing I could think of is that part of the deal with Princeton for the Giants Stadium game last year was that there would be a second neutral site game this year in place of the Princeton home game, and this was the best annual game available that wasn't already booked by other teams. I doubt it has to do with money because Bethpage is a fairly small school district and probably can't afford to pay much (if anything) to Princeton and Cornell, and as you can see from the picture, they won't be making much money at the gate.

Looks as if Cornell and Princeton, at least not as a duo, were not invited back to the Konica Minolta Big City Classic in 2014. If there is a 2014. The website [www.bigcityclassic.com] has no info about a 2014 tournament at all, still references 2013. Cornell and Princeton probably agreed that if Cornell gave up its 2013 home game, Princeton would do it in 2014.

Wow. From Giants Metlife Stadium to the Bethpage Athletic Complex. Can't believe they couldn't use or double up with a Hofstra or Stony Brook Stadium game. Part of the punishment for hazing?

Jeff Hopkins '82

Hmm... just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Jeez Jeff. You watch games when you're in freakin' Korea. Just buy a ticket and GO.

TimV

Jeff Hopkins '82

Hmm... just another way to get Hopkins into the tournament.

Jeez Jeff. You watch games when you're in freakin' Korea. Just buy a ticket and GO.

+1

Men's Lacrosse Trio Named To Team Canada Selection Camp Roster

"Sophomore Brennan Donville, as well as alumni Jesse Gamble '11 and Jason Noble '13 "

If anyone's interested, here's the whole roster.

2014 schedule is out.

Virginia and Syracuse are the big names of the nonconference opponents, but CU will play at Michigan as well. Scrimmages are against D-III schools (RIT and Cortland State) and the Iroquois Nationals.

Good that softies Canisius and Siena are gone. Bucknell would have been a good short-bus-ride opponent to retain. Too bad there's not room for Army, a better nearby opponent than most other non-league competitors. Hofstra is good if you want to wave the Cornell recruiting flag on Long Island, giving us two LI games including the Princeton game in Bethpage (Princeton hosts this year) complementing the Cornell-hosts Princeton game last year at the Big City Classic at Giants-Jets stadium. BCC will not be played this year.

2014 non-Ivy
Hobart @ TBD site <-- Cornell's year to host (Feb 22)
@ Binghamton
@ Michigan        <-- Cornell at Michigan? Maybe the Big Ten paid Cornell a nice travel stipend? 
Canisus           <-- [edit add] Nice if this was Army; more likely to be a ranked opponent 
Virginia          <-- [edit] 2 of the 3 toughest non-league games at Schoellkopf 
@ Colgate
Syracuse
@ Hofstra

Gone from 2013
Canisius
Bucknell          <-- lost 9-8 last year 
Siena

BCC is no more, according to the site, Big City Classic. I thought attendance was decent last year, announced 19,875. It drew 22,000-26,000 in its first four years, 2009-2012.

Big City Classic landing page

Thanks for your past support of the Big City Classic and Inside Lacrosse.

We hope to bring the Big City Classic back to MetLife Stadium in future seasons.

According to [www.collegecrosse.com]:

CollegeLacrosse.com
The magazine and lacrosse event coordinator [Inside Lacrosse] is only hosting one event this season: The Face Off Classic. ... This is a somewhat surprising development for the 2014 season. The 2013 Independence Classic [Chester, PA] was the first iteration of the event and failed to attract much of a gate at PPL Park (around 5,200 fans passed through the gates according to this box score). The loss of the event from the schedule this year is only interesting in the fact that the concept of "Classic" now requires only that a thing happened at least once. The Big City Classic, though, was quickly becoming the marquee event of the regular season, regularly drawing decent crowds (around 20,000 fans passed through the gates last year according to this box score) and featuring landscaping-defining games. The non-existence of the event this coming spring is going to leave a void on the national agenda, creating an open date on the late-spring calendars of Northeast fans .

The story also talks about declining attendance at NCAA tourney games. It didn't help last year that Maryland hosted Cornell in the first round, got blown out, and then Maryland was host site for the quarterfinals, along with Indianapolis.

billhoward
Good that softies Canisius and Siena are gone. Bucknell would have been a good short-bus-ride opponent to retain. Too bad there's not room for Army, a better nearby opponent than most other non-league competitors. Hofstra is good if you want to wave the Cornell recruiting flag on Long Island, giving us two LI games including the Princeton game in Bethpage (Princeton hosts this year) complementing the Cornell-hosts Princeton game last year at the Big City Classic at Giants-Jets stadium. BCC will not be played this year.

2014 non-Ivy
Hobart @ TBD site <-- Cornell's year to host (Feb 22)
@ Binghamton
@ Michigan        <-- Cornell at Michigan? Maybe the Big Ten paid Cornell a nice travel stipend? 
Virginia          <-- The only 2 non-league games clearly at Schoellkopf are the toughest 
@ Colgate
Syracuse
@ Hofstra


Gone from 2013
Canisius
Bucknell          <-- lost 9-8 last year 
Siena

Mar. 4, 2014 4:00 p.m. vs Canisius College

So Inside Lacrosse picks us 17.

Here's their poll and their All-American list.

[www.uslacrosse.org]

toddlose
[www.uslacrosse.org]

School  	Total
 Johns Hopkins	5
 Maryland	5
 Cornell	3
 Syracuse	3
 Duke   	2
 Penn State	2
 Army   	1
 Colgate	1
 Loyola 	1
 Massachusetts	1
 North Carolina	1
 Ohio State	1
 Salisbury	1
 UMBC   	1
 Villanova	1
 Virginia	1

David Harding

toddlose
[www.uslacrosse.org]

School  	Total
 Johns Hopkins	5
 Maryland	5
 Cornell	3
 Syracuse	3
 Duke   	2
 Penn State	2
 Army   	1
 Colgate	1
 Loyola 	1
 Massachusetts	1
 North Carolina	1
 Ohio State	1
 Salisbury	1
 UMBC   	1
 Villanova	1
 Virginia	1

Took a moment to figure out: The 3 for Cornell is the number of NCAA championships, or players on the team. This 3 appears to be the number of Cornellians on the team. Also the number of Ivy League particpants. Not one Princeton Tiger is worthy?

Sunday's scheduled scrimmage with Cortland and RIT was canceled. So we open the season against Hobart in 6 days with no fallball games and one preseason scrimmage against a partial team of out of shape non-collegiate players.

Word from laxpower is that the Cortland scrimmage will be tried tomorrow at 3 PM.

Scrimmaged Cortland this afternoon. Final was Cornell 11-3 or 11-4.

dag14
Scrimmaged Cortland this afternoon. Final was Cornell 11-3 or 11-4.

Whew!
Maybe we have a chance against Hobart?!

Johnny 5

Maybe we have a chance against Hobart?!

God, I hope so. Siena, a punching bag outside the MAC conference, beat them 12-7.

Now that Cornell is four games into the 2014 season, I'm curious how people feel the team is performing vs. what was expected.

Quite frankly, I'm pleasantly surprised. Yes, Cornell lost a boatload of talent due to graduation, but one wouldn't really know that based on the numbers thus far.

Consider this:
- The Cornell offense, through games of March 2nd, ranked 8th in the country. Obviously this does not include the 19 goal game yesterday. By my calculations, With last night's game, we are averaging 15 gpg, which would rank the Cornell offense #2 in the country. (!)
- Two Cornell players are in the top 10 in the country in points per game
- In two of three games played against the same opponents from last year, 2014 margin of victory was greater than 2013 margin of victory. In both of those games, Cornell scored more goals than last year


Coming into this season, my assumption would have been that Cornell offensive output would be significantly lower than what the 2013 produced. Is it lower through four games? Yes, 16.75 gpg (2013) vs 15 gpg (2014). But that's about 10%, not that huge a dropoff.

On defense, Cornell through four games has given up 9 goals per game in 2014 vs 6.75 per game in 2013. A bit more than last year, and heavily biased by the 14 goals they gave up against Michigan. (If you only take into account the three common opponents played thus far, the 2014 team has actually allowed fewer goals per game than the 2013 team.)

All this, in my mind, gives me significant optimism for a team that was prematurely written off by lots of people. Perhaps this team is harder to defend against because scoring is more evenly distributed. I don't know. All I know is that, by the numbers thus far, this team is performing much like last year's squad.

Thoughts?

To my eye, we are not nearly the team we were last year regardless of the numbers. Of course, style points are worth zero in the final score!

I just think you're reading too much into the goal margins and offensive numbers against relatively weak teams. Last year's squad probably could have scored 25 against these teams if they'd chosen to. No matter how good the team is, they're always going to lay off in the 4th quarter, so not all 6-goal wins are created equal - there's a big difference between establishing an 8-goal lead in the 3rd quarter and cruising to a 6-goal victory versus letting the opponent hang around within 2-3 deep into the 4th (with starters fully in play) and just pulling away at the end.

Saturday will be a better indicator of where this team is heading than anything we have seen so far.

Don't forget that we have not yet played a ranked team....Cornell should have excellent numbers at this point in the season. The true measure of this group is how they do going forward. I think they have the character to surprise a lot of people, and quite likely the skills. There is not a lot of depth on the team, however, so the guys need to stay healthy.

This has been a weak schedule and things get interesting starting Saturday. Still the team is 4-0 and congrats on that -- also Kerwick became the 2nd coach to begin 4-0 at Cornell, so congrats to him as well. If the team can continue to win 60% of its FOs and cut down on its first half turnovers...maybe Saturday will be a pleasant surprise.

I know it is a weak schedule to start , but it was a weak first four game schedule last year too, right?

Well, since you asked, both seasons have Hobart, Bingo and Canisius in common. But last year's start included a 19-3 beatdown of Colgate who was coming off a National Quarterfinal appearance and had the prior season's winner of the Tewaaraton and Emmers awards returning. This year's slate includes an OT win over a Michigan team that was 1-13 last year and just lost to High Point. Last year we also didn't trail Hobart with 3 minutes to go.

I don't mean to sound down on this year's team, you can only beat who is on your schedule and they've done that, but they aren't nearly as good as last year's team. I'm really anxious to see how they fare against UVA; we've had some awfully good teams that couldn't beat the 'hoos.

mountainred
Well, since you asked, both seasons have Hobart, Bingo and Canisius in common. But last year's start included a 19-3 beatdown of Colgate who was coming off a National Quarterfinal appearance and had the prior season's winner of the Tewaaraton and Emmers awards returning. This year's slate includes an OT win over a Michigan team that was 1-13 last year and just lost to High Point. Last year we also didn't trail Hobart with 3 minutes to go.

I don't mean to sound down on this year's team, you can only beat who is on your schedule and they've done that, but they aren't nearly as good as last year's team. I'm really anxious to see how they fare against UVA; we've had some awfully good teams that couldn't beat the 'hoos.

Well at the very least we'll be able to watch a Pannell play again, neh?
I have nothing against interim coach Kerwick. Well, except maybe that coaches from Hobart haven't seemed to have staying power.
What this team needs in rebuilding is a definite sense of commitment from the leadership; as we have in the hockey program.
Kids won't want to dedicate themselves to a program that doesn't have a firm base and a obvious sense of direction.

I wonder what Max Seibald is doing in his free time??

I wonder if Andy could lure John Tillman '91 back to Ithaca. With Maryland going to the Big 10, I think it's a bit of a downgrade for the Terps lacrosse program. Plus, he's a native of Corning.

finchphil
I wonder if Andy could lure John Tillman '91 back to Ithaca. With Maryland going to the Big 10, I think it's a bit of a downgrade for the Terps lacrosse program. Plus, he's a native of Corning.

Here's an article about Tillman turning down Navy in 2011. He may have been asking for a large salary.

we could get Donohue back in about 2 weeks for bball..

mountainred
Well, since you asked, both seasons have Hobart, Bingo and Canisius in common. But last year's start included a 19-3 beatdown of Colgate who was coming off a National Quarterfinal appearance and had the prior season's winner of the Tewaaraton and Emmers awards returning. This year's slate includes an OT win over a Michigan team that was 1-13 last year and just lost to High Point. Last year we also didn't trail Hobart with 3 minutes to go.

Most years Colgate vs Michigan, at least in lax, would be considered a significant schedule upgrade. Currently, laxpower has Cornell's SOS at 59/67. I don't know where it was last year after four games. I imagine, however, it was higher than 59.

Well, Cornell is up by 4 against UVA in 4Q.

9 different Cornell players have scored goals.

A win would be a huge morale boost and confidence builder.

this is not good. 3 min man-up situation for virginia. this is going to be a long 3 min.

Long 3 min over, lead now 5

Cornell ahead, no time remaining...

Fewest goals scored by VA this season.

Very impressive performance. I'm glad I never doubted them.

mountainred
Very impressive performance. I'm glad I never doubted them.

Doubting them and pulling like hell for them are not mutually exclusive.

Let's roll up into one thread: Iles is not (is) the answer, Kerwick is just a placeholder, Bill Courtney is having a bad season and something needs to be done, Schafer is losing his touch (common topic anytime we lose 2 in a row). Wonder how the Syracuse hoops site (TangerineDreams.org?) feels about Jim Boeheim's recent collapse.

finchphil
I wonder if Andy could lure John Tillman '91 back to Ithaca. With Maryland going to the Big 10, I think it's a bit of a downgrade for the Terps lacrosse program. Plus, he's a native of Corning.

No chance. Established high-level coaches don't take jobs in the Ivy League where they have no scholarships to dole out. They start out in the Ivy League, do well, then leave to coach scholarship programs. Starsia, Tierney, Petro, Tambroni, and Tillman himself are all in this category. No one goes back.

Also, the Big 10 is going to be a great lacrosse conference. Already last year, OSU got a higher NCAA seed than Maryland did (and both lost to unseeded Cornell).

And, why would you want Tillman anyway? His strategy in that game was mind-bogglingly dumb, and the Red shelled the Terps.

Cornell climbs 15 to 8 in Warrior / Inside Lax poll. Just behind Penn State. We drop Virginia 2 to 6. Cornell is for now the top team in the Ivies and New York State. We have 7 of the top 20 as opponents.

USILA POLL MARCH 10 2014
RANK    SCHOOL W-L      PTS (1ST)   LAST WK
1	Maryland (5-0)	459 (22)	1
2	Loyola (5-1)	432 (1)	5
3	Johns Hop (5-0)	411 (0)	4
4	Duke (4-2)	352 (0)	3
5	North Car (4-1)	344 (0)	8
6	Virginia (6-1)	338 (0)	2
7	Penn St (3-1)	328 (0)	7
8	Cornell (5-0)	303 (0)	15
9	Denver (4-2)	281 (0)	12
10	Syracuse (3-2)	274 (0)	9
11	Penn (3-1)	233 (0)	13
12	N Dame (2-2)	228 (0)	6
13	Albany (2-2)	166 (0)	17
14	Lehigh (5-1)	142 (0)	16
15	UMass (4-1)	126 (0)	10
16	Princeton (2-2)	124 (0)	14
17	Yale (2-1)	114 (0)	11
18	Hofstra (3-2)	47 (0)	-
19	Colgate (5-1)	35 (0)	-
20	Bryant (3-2)	31 (0)	-
Mentions: Drexel, Fairfield, Brown, Delaware, Rutgers, Towson, Harvard, Army, Saint John's

Inside Lacrosse's Quint Kessenich's personal poll sees Cornell higher:

Quint
3. Cornell (5-0)
The Big Red found themselves down 5-2 in the second quarter when Doug Tesoriero became the catalyst for a 9-0 run. 4,093 fans enjoyed the win, which propels Cornell up the charts after mediocre wins over Hobart (0-5), Binghamton (2-3), Michigan (3-4) and Canisius (2-2). Freshman goalie Christian Knight made 15 saves in his first collegiate start.
CU offense has been clicking this year, scoring 12, 14, 15, 19 and 12 goals in the five wins — the No. 4 scoring offense in the country. Interim coach Matt Kerwick has a sharp offensive mind. They are 14-25 on EMO. Scoring has been spearheaded by Matt Donovan (14, 8), Dan Lintner (18, 1) and Connor Buczek (12, 2). ....
[www.insidelacrosse.com]

... Quint has Loyola at #2 (doubled UNC Sunday night) and Maryland at #1. Quint raved about Loyola's stadium and posted this poll as part of the Loyola writeup ...
What's your favorite on-campus stadium to watch a game?
Shuart Stadium (Hofstra)
Michie Stadium (Army)
Koskinen Stadium (Duke)
Navy-Marine Corps Stadium (Navy)
Byrd Stadium (MD)
Homewood Field (JHU)
The RAC (Loyola)
Klockner Stadium (UVa)
Arlotta Stadium (ND)
Carrier Dome (Syracuse)

... not to diss a guy who rated Cornell so highly, but howcum 7 of the 10 are southern schools? And how could Princeton's Class of 1952 field not be listed when it's right on campus (a, what, physics building is next door?) and it's ringed by everygreens. Places like Byrd Stadium at Maryland are just football fields.

Nice article in today's Times about how the Thompsons have broken Syracuse's monopsony on Native American lacrosse players by choosing to go to Albany. I don't really care about or follow the race, religion, or ethnicity of Cornell's players. But does Cornell now have or has it ever had any Native American players?

One would expect this of a school whose motto is "Any person, any study" and located far above Cayuga Lake.

Swampy
Nice article in today's Times about how the Thompsons have broken Syracuse's monopsony on Native American lacrosse players by choosing to go to Albany. I don't really care about or follow the race, religion, or ethnicity of Cornell's players. But does Cornell now have or has it ever had any Native American players?

One would expect this of a school whose motto is "Any person, any study" and located far above Cayuga Lake.

Frank Davis of the 1971 championship team was a Tuscarora.

[Edit: Just saw a box score of the 1971 NCAAs and Davis scored four of Cornell's 17 goals in the semifinal win against Army and one in the championship game win over Maryland.]

March 10 USILA poll has Cornell at #8 also, same as Inside Lax poll. [www.usila.org] We are the lowest-rated still-unbeaten team. Our Saturday opponent, Yale, is 17th in both polls.

billhoward
Quint raved about Loyola's stadium and posted this poll as part of the Loyola writeup ...
What's your favorite on-campus stadium to watch a game?
Shuart Stadium (Hofstra)
Michie Stadium (Army)
Koskinen Stadium (Duke)
Navy-Marine Corps Stadium (Navy)
Byrd Stadium (MD)
Homewood Field (JHU)
The RAC (Loyola)
Klockner Stadium (UVa)
Arlotta Stadium (ND)
Carrier Dome (Syracuse)

... not to diss a guy who rated Cornell so highly, but howcum 7 of the 10 are southern schools? And how could Princeton's Class of 1952 field not be listed when it's right on campus (a, what, physics building is next door?) and it's ringed by everygreens. Places like Byrd Stadium at Maryland are just football fields.

Maybe the southern prevalence was driven by the fact that you can watch March Lacrosse without snow?

I've been to all but Notre Dame, and I have no complaints with his list. I was at Byrd for the Maryland-Duke game two weekends ago. Great sight lines, a covered and heated deck, rowdy crowd, and a giant inflatable turtle that straddles the locker room door so the team charges out between the turtle legs. Very excellent.

I wouldn't include the Carrier Dome on this list - it's truly awful: stuffy, ironically UN-air conditioned, and with terrible glare off the aluminum seats, 4000 or so of which have Syracuse fans in 'em. Brutal.

Princeton's Class of '52 is ok, but not great for concessions and the brickwork is a little too art-deco for my tastes. Visiting teams have a long trek to the locker rooms. I like games at their football stadium better.

If you like the field bordered by evergreens, Yale's Reece Stadium is the best with tall cedars encircling the ends and the far sideline occupied by Cox Cage walls that reflect the crowd noise back at you. No concessions, but if there were you wouldn't waste valuable gastrointestinal capacity when after the game you could go to Pepe's, Sally's, or Naples for Pizza.

I like Harvard Stadium because the stands are steep and close to the field. Their dedicated lacrosse stadium is Jordan Field and no better than a high school facility, Same goes for Brown's Stevenson Field and Dartmouth's Scully-Fahey Field. Skip. Although in Hanover, Jesse's serves a steak the size and thickness of a catcher's mitt. Tolerate the lacrosse field but go to Jessie's.

Bottom line, subtract Syracuse, add Yale and Harvard Stadium and the list becomes more balanced.

billhoward
March 10 USILA poll has Cornell at #8 also, same as Inside Lax poll. [www.usila.org] We are the lowest-rated still-unbeaten team. Our Saturday opponent, Yale, is 17th in both polls.

That's fair. Before Virginia we played cupcakes. We need to beat Yale, Princeton and Penn to be taken seriously. I think Yale and Colgate may fall out of the top 20 by May.

Forgot about Yale's Reece Stadium. That is excellent. Plus, how would 1,000 fans look in Yale Bowl? Cornell's secondary fields with stands, like Berman Field, are a step down from Reece or Class of '52 with aluminum seats starting close to field level.

Syracuse's Carrier Dome feels its age but regardless - it's indoors.

We jump to 4th in this weeks coaches' poll

Rank Team Pts (1st) Prev.
1 Maryland (6-0) 240 (12) 1
2 Loyola (6-1) 228 2t
3 Duke (6-2) 206 6
4 Cornell (6-0) 191 8
5 Denver (6-2) 176 9
6 Syracuse (4-2) 174 10
7 North Carolina (5-2) 173 4
8 Notre Dame (3-2) 170 11
9 Johns Hopkins (5-1) 160 2t
10 Virginia (6-2) 124 7
11 Massachusetts (6-1) 106 14
12 Penn State (3-3) 104 5
13 Princeton (3-2) 101 16
14 Penn (3-2) 78 12
15 Bryant (5-2) 65 18
16 Yale (3-2) 60 17
17 Lehigh (6-2) 48 15
18 Albany (2-3) 35 13
19 Fairfield (4-2) 22 19
20 Drexel (4-3) 15 20

Also receiving votes: Colgate, Harvard, Hofstra, Army, Rutgers, Towson

Jeff Hopkins '82
We jump to 4th in this weeks coaches' poll

Rank Team Pts (1st) Prev.
1 Maryland (6-0) 240 (12) 1
2 Loyola (6-1) 228 2t
3 Duke (6-2) 206 6
4 Cornell (6-0) 191 8
5 Denver (6-2) 176 9
6 Syracuse (4-2) 174 10
7 North Carolina (5-2) 173 4
8 Notre Dame (3-2) 170 11
9 Johns Hopkins (5-1) 160 2t
10 Virginia (6-2) 124 7
11 Massachusetts (6-1) 106 14
12 Penn State (3-3) 104 5
13 Princeton (3-2) 101 16
14 Penn (3-2) 78 12
15 Bryant (5-2) 65 18
16 Yale (3-2) 60 17
17 Lehigh (6-2) 48 15
18 Albany (2-3) 35 13
19 Fairfield (4-2) 22 19
20 Drexel (4-3) 15 20

Also receiving votes: Colgate, Harvard, Hofstra, Army, Rutgers, Towson

And 3rd with the media, Quint, and laxmagazine. Maybe a bit premature?

Al DeFlorio
And 3rd with the media, Quint, and laxmagazine. Maybe a bit premature?

Kessenich had Cornell third last week after we beat the #2 team that is now the #10 team. If you're on the bandwagon early, you're a thought leader. You can also hop off earlier after Cornell has a couple close games or a loss. We are not vastly better or worse than if Michigan not Cornell had gotten the OT goal but we'd be struggling now to crack the top 10. Who's to say we'll make it out of this week, at Colgate and at Penn, unblemished. With the coaching change and new or backup players taking on key roles this year, it's impressive we've done this well.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
And 3rd with the media, Quint, and laxmagazine. Maybe a bit premature?

Kessenich had Cornell third last week after we beat the #2 team that is now the #10 team. If you're on the bandwagon early, you're a thought leader. You can also hop off earlier after Cornell has a couple close games or a loss. We are not vastly better or worse than if Michigan not Cornell had gotten the OT goal but we'd be struggling now to crack the top 10. Who's to say we'll make it out of this week, at Colgate and at Penn, unblemished. With the coaching change and new or backup players taking on key roles this year, it's impressive we've done this well.

Impressive, indeed. Looking forward to see how they do this week. Two tough road games. Knight has some chops -- struggled early against Yale, but settled in very nicely.

Somebody on the Sunday Virginia at Notre Dame-broadcast (the Irish are another school with a football indoor field big enough for spring lax) said they think *every* team by Selection Sunday will have 2 losses. If Cornell or Princeton suffers one loss, it would come down to the last game of the Ivy RS for the hosting rights for the tournament, C vs P on Bethpage 4/26. If Ivy lax rules are this, then a one-loss team that beats a zero-loss team hosts because of the head to head record.