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Lunardi's latest Bracketology has Cornell as a 12 seed vs Temple in New Orleans, which probably means that an 11 seed is about as good a seed as we can possibly get. Most likely we'll be a 12.

That loss vs Penn really cost us. Since there are a lot of good teams in college basketball this year, we'll most likely be facing a very strong team in the first round, a Tennessee/Temple type.

YankeeLobo
Lunardi's latest Bracketology has Cornell as a 12 seed vs Temple in New Orleans, which probably means that an 11 seed is about as good a seed as we can possibly get. Most likely we'll be a 12.

That loss vs Penn really cost us. We'll most likely be facing a VERY good team in the first round.

I put no stock in the predicted matchups since so much will change, but that'd be some crap luck. The team against whom we are least likely to sneak under the radar.

Yeah playing against Dunphy would not be a good thing but I dont see us flying under the radar no matter what we do since the national media keeps pointing us out. All an opposing coach has to do is show his team the Kansas tape and say look these guys almost broke Kansas' 50+ home winning streak, dont underestimate them

phillysportsfan
Yeah playing against Dunphy would not be a good thing but I dont see us flying under the radar no matter what we do since the national media keeps pointing us out. All an opposing coach has to do is show his team the Kansas tape and say look these guys almost broke Kansas' 50+ home winning streak, dont underestimate them

Kansas made Temple look like a high school team on the Owls' home court.

True but that was just one game, just as Cornell's loss to Penn does not define what kind of team Cornell is. Although from looking at Temple's schedule they seem to have a few weird loses including St Johns at home but they did beat Villanova and are leading a very tough A10 conference this year

In the spirit of noting all Cornell shout-outs, Jay Bilas referenced Cornell, unprompted, during an interview on Tony Kornheiser's show yesterday. During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

Jordan 04
During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

Jordan 04
In the spirit of noting all Cornell shout-outs, Jay Bilas referenced Cornell, unprompted, during an interview on Tony Kornheiser's show yesterday.

Presumably Kornheiser just hadn't mentioned Cornell yet, because it seems safe to assume he would have eventually.

Josh '99
Presumably Kornheiser just hadn't mentioned Cornell yet, because it seems safe to assume he would have eventually.

Today he was too busy lecturing gays on how to react to their victory in DC.

The best thing about Tony is the constant reminder not to go back to Long Island.

Al DeFlorio

Jordan 04
During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

Al DeFlorio

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

I don't sweat the individual performances or strategic quirks when we win by 20.

Al DeFlorio

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

They shot 43% from 3-point range at home against Penn. Those aren't the nights I want them dumping it into Foote on a regular basis. Also, I didn't watch the game, but perhaps Foote took fewer shots because the defense collapsed on him leaving shooters open at the 3-point line?

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

I don't sweat the individual performances or strategic quirks when we win by 20.

If Bilas is right about "front court size" and needing to "score and defend and get fouled in the paint" in order to "win in the tournament"--and I believe he is--then Cornell had better work the ball inside as they did against teams like Syracuse, Kansas, Alabama, Davidson, and St. John's. My point is there's no advantage to having a 7-footer who can "score and get fouled in the paint" if the offense doesn't get the ball to him there. I don't see that as a "strategic quirk," I see it as a strategic necessity in order to have a chance to win an NCAA game. If Foote can go toe-to-toe with the likes of Kansas's Cole Aldrich and win the MVP at the Holiday Festival, it just puzzles me when we go long stretches and sometimes entire games not taking advantage of his size and ability in the paint.

Al DeFlorio

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

I don't sweat the individual performances or strategic quirks when we win by 20.

If Bilas is right about "front court size" and needing to "score and defend and get fouled in the paint" in order to "win in the tournament"--and I believe he is--then Cornell had better work the ball inside as they did against teams like Syracuse, Kansas, Alabama, Davidson, and St. John's. My point is there's no advantage to having a 7-footer who can "score and get fouled in the paint" if the offense doesn't get the ball to him there. I don't see that as a "strategic quirk," I see it as a strategic necessity in order to have a chance to win an NCAA game. If Foote can go toe-to-toe with the likes of Kansas's Cole Aldrich and win the MVP at the Holiday Festival, it just puzzles me when we go long stretches and sometimes entire games not taking advantage of his size and ability in the paint.

I agree, it is weird how Foote disappears in some games when Dale, Wrobo do not try to get the ball inside to him. But I guess when they are making the 3's you just keep shooting until they go cold. But I do not think strategy will prevent them from winning a first round game, Donahue will have ready. I know this is irrelevant but ESPN still has us as a 12 seed, but now playing Georgetown instead of Temple, that would be a bad matchup with Georgetown's athleticism

phillysportsfan

Al DeFlorio

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

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Al DeFlorio

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During a discussion on what it takes to win in the tournament, Bilas talked about front court size and called out Cornell and their "7 footer" who can score and defend and get fouled in the paint. He said he believed that gives Cornell as much of a chance to win a first round game as a higher-ranked, but undersized, team like Butler.

It does if Cornell tries to get the ball to Foote. Against Penn he took two shots from the field and had one free-throw attempt. That's called wasting a 7-footer on offense.

True, but the next night @ Princeton he became a key focus late in the game, as mandated by Princeton's defense on the perimeter. Hopefully those games were a learning experience.

I was speaking of last weekend's game at Newman against Penn, not the loss at the Palestra.

I don't sweat the individual performances or strategic quirks when we win by 20.

If Bilas is right about "front court size" and needing to "score and defend and get fouled in the paint" in order to "win in the tournament"--and I believe he is--then Cornell had better work the ball inside as they did against teams like Syracuse, Kansas, Alabama, Davidson, and St. John's. My point is there's no advantage to having a 7-footer who can "score and get fouled in the paint" if the offense doesn't get the ball to him there. I don't see that as a "strategic quirk," I see it as a strategic necessity in order to have a chance to win an NCAA game. If Foote can go toe-to-toe with the likes of Kansas's Cole Aldrich and win the MVP at the Holiday Festival, it just puzzles me when we go long stretches and sometimes entire games not taking advantage of his size and ability in the paint.

I agree, it is weird how Foote disappears in some games when Dale, Wrobo do not try to get the ball inside to him. But I guess when they are making the 3's you just keep shooting until they go cold. But I do not think strategy will prevent them from winning a first round game, Donahue will have ready. I know this is irrelevant but ESPN still has us as a 12 seed, but now playing Georgetown instead of Temple, that would be a bad matchup with Georgetown's athleticism

I think I may have been misunderstood. I didn't mean that "not passing to Foote" is a strategic quirk. I meant "not passing to Foote when everything else is clicking, leading to a blowout" is a strategic quirk. It would be strange if Coach Donahue yelled to the team "stop doing that thing that is working and force the ball down to Foote!"

I agree that to beat the best teams Cornell will need Foote involved in the offense. I also think that how Cornell uses Foote against Penn is a bad barometer for how Cornell will utilize him against a better team.

ugarte
I think I may have been misunderstood. I didn't mean that "not passing to Foote" is a strategic quirk. I meant "not passing to Foote when everything else is clicking, leading to a blowout" is a strategic quirk. It would be strange if Coach Donahue yelled to the team "stop doing that thing that is working and force the ball down to Foote!"

I agree that to beat the best teams Cornell will need Foote involved in the offense. I also think that how Cornell uses Foote against Penn is a bad barometer for how Cornell will utilize him against a better team.

Would you please stop elevating the level of this thread?

ugarte
I think I may have been misunderstood. I didn't mean that "not passing to Foote" is a strategic quirk. I meant "not passing to Foote when everything else is clicking, leading to a blowout" is a strategic quirk. It would be strange if Coach Donahue yelled to the team "stop doing that thing that is working and force the ball down to Foote!"

I agree that to beat the best teams Cornell will need Foote involved in the offense. I also think that how Cornell uses Foote against Penn is a bad barometer for how Cornell will utilize him against a better team.

I'm concerned with the trend that has Foote averaging five shots per game in the last six Ivy games, one of which was a loss and another two were three-point wins decided in the final minute. None of those three, nor the game at Harvard, were "blowouts" where "everything else" was "clicking." The Penn game that I cited (with two Foote field goal attempts) just happened to be the most recent of the six--and of the season.

I'd also point out that in the two NCAA games played by Wittman, Dale, Foote and company, Cornell has shot a combined 6 for 26 (23%) from behind the arc in the first half, and 30% overall. That's not a formula for wining a tournament game.