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We're gonna be in the news again

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We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (172.56.4.---)
Date: March 10, 2025 09:04PM

Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 10, 2025 10:16PM

Those imbeciles continue to play into the hands of Trump and his minions.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 11, 2025 12:25PM

And now the university is forming a task force on "institutional voice". I assume this ties into the event last night and who gets invited to speak on campus going forward.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2025 02:34PM

Some other schools have said, "In light of recent events [including some that make us look bad], we will be a neutral / quiet platform for the voices to be heard in all their diversity." Read; What we thought was neutral, at least on a campus that is more liberal than America as a whole, is resulting in bad optics for us."

Recall that the Ivy presidents brought to testify before Congress, it appeared the answers formulated in pep sessions, prepared them to work in a court of law ... and it bit them on the butt in the court of public opinion.

I am also intrigued but how a department that has skewed well left (maybe right) of center, makes it harder for neutral, MOR faculty applicants to be approved unless they align with the current orthodoxy.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2025 02:48PM

Pathways to Peace
... had an all-star cast of speakers, not just faculty or local activists
... Cornell says no audio or video recording devices allowed. I'm curious how Cornell dealt with the media who want to capture the event with images and maybe capture the speaker's words to make sure they're quoted accurately.

As of Tuesday, this was the most recent item in The Sun, a guest column. Not much wiggle room for Israel to discuss.

 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2025 02:51PM

As of Tuesday 3 pm, the day after the 3/10 event, the only reporting was text, no images, on FigerLakes1.com. It says 16 people were arrested or detained. Story:

[www.fingerlakes1.com]
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: March 11, 2025 04:16PM

stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.

I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.

 
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Weder (136.226.69.---)
Date: March 11, 2025 04:31PM


NEW: Cornell University says Students for Justice in Palestine “faces suspension” and several students and staff will be disciplined for disrupting a “Pathways to Peace” panel last night:

“Cornell University Police identified 17 people responsible for this unacceptable disruption. Nine students will be referred to the Office of Student Conduct and Community Standards for appropriate action, including the imposition of interim measures up to and including suspension. Staff members involved in the disruption will be referred for disciplinary actions through Human Resources. Outside disrupters will be issued persona non grata status, barring them from Cornell’s campus.”

“Additionally, for advertising and organizing this disruption, Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), a student-run organization, faces suspension as a registered campus organization.”

[x.com]
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 11, 2025 05:51PM

jtwcornell91
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.

I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 11, 2025 06:00PM

jtwcornell91
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.

I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.

As for no media - LMAO. Everyone was recording it, as Weber's Twitter link shows. I wasn't, mostly because I didn't want to have ANY issues, but the people in front of me were definitely recording the students getting thrown out; the no media rule wasn't actually policed, I don't think. I see myself on camera in both those recordings. Not causing a disturbance, of course.

The Sun just posted their take on it. I chatted with one of the reporters after the event, but I guess my story wasn't exciting enough to be formally included, haha!
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 11, 2025 06:19PM

Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 11, 2025 07:58PM

And here’s Cornell’s take on it.

You were there. Is this a fair interpretation?

“Some audience members were asked to leave or escorted out of the auditorium after shouting over some of the speakers, which Interim President Michael I. Kotlikoff had warned might happen in his introduction, saying that actions preventing a speaker’s ability to be heard or the right of others to listen violate university policy.”

Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 11, 2025 08:08PM

George64
And here’s Cornell’s take on it.

You were there. Is this a fair interpretation?

“Some audience members were asked to leave or escorted out of the auditorium after shouting over some of the speakers, which Interim President Michael I. Kotlikoff had warned might happen in his introduction, saying that actions preventing a speaker’s ability to be heard or the right of others to listen violate university policy.”

Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
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That is fair, but a bit of an understatement. It feels like a lot more people were asked to leave/escorted out, or walked out silently, than "some". That also fails to note that people were being taken out every few minutes after interruptions, it felt like, and not in like, one go. (As in, we'd get a few minutes of speech, then someone going all "WAR CRIMINAL, FREE PALESTINE" and a few people taken out, then a few minutes of speech again, another protest, etcetera, etcetera.) There wasn't really much force used, definitely no brandishing of weapons or anything like that.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2025 08:09PM

begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 12, 2025 08:25AM

From the D&C: Eight NY colleges under federal antisemitism investigation

[www.democratandchronicle.com]

Sixty U.S. colleges and universities, including eight in New York, are under investigation for antisemitic discrimination and harassment, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Letters were sent to the schools informing them of the investigation, the department's Office of Civil Rights announced in a news release Monday, and warned them of "potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus, including uninterrupted access to campus facilities and educational opportunities."
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: March 12, 2025 11:05AM

stereax
jtwcornell91
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.

I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.

From statements I've heard from the most extreme anti-Zionists in the West, they don't support Hamas specifically so much as oppose Israel, and don't always care who's doing the opposing.

 
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: March 12, 2025 12:19PM

George64
From the D&C: Eight NY colleges under federal antisemitism investigation

[www.democratandchronicle.com]

Sixty U.S. colleges and universities, including eight in New York, are under investigation for antisemitic discrimination and harassment, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Letters were sent to the schools informing them of the investigation, the department's Office of Civil Rights announced in a news release Monday, and warned them of "potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus, including uninterrupted access to campus facilities and educational opportunities."
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Cornell is among these schools, as per the Sun. Page 3 of the print version is all about the panel and everything else around it.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: March 12, 2025 12:21PM

jtwcornell91
stereax
jtwcornell91
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.

I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.

From statements I've heard from the most extreme anti-Zionists in the West, they don't support Hamas specifically so much as oppose Israel, and don't always care who's doing the opposing.
Aye. I mean that more as in, Hamas doesn't always have the interest of the Palestinian people at heart, yet many protesters idolize those "freedom fighters" above moderates calling for peace.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 12, 2025 06:49PM

It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: underskill (107.127.42.---)
Date: March 12, 2025 08:33PM

Trotsky
It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.

That’s a disgusting comment on so many levels. Shame on you.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 12, 2025 10:20PM

ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2025 07:55AM by toddlose.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: LGR14 (---.sub-174-231-132.myvzw.com)
Date: March 13, 2025 11:34AM

Trotsky
It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.

This is abhorrent. But you'll be outraged because BearLover criticizes a hockey team.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 13, 2025 01:35PM

toddlose
ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

.
from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 13, 2025 07:42PM

LGR14
Trotsky
It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.

This is abhorrent.
A dead baby's a dead baby. You murder them -- you're a murderer. I don't care whether you butter the projection of your ego face up or face down.

Fasc are fasc. Fuck em all.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2025 07:42PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: LGR14 (65.155.80.---)
Date: March 13, 2025 08:52PM

Trotsky
LGR14
Trotsky
It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.

This is abhorrent.
A dead baby's a dead baby. You murder them -- you're a murderer. I don't care whether you butter the projection of your ego face up or face down.

Fasc are fasc. Fuck em all.

As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: TimV (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 14, 2025 05:29PM

I'm totally with you on this. I'll be on the second mast.

 
___________________________
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 14, 2025 07:02PM

ugarte
toddlose
ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

.
from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
.

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 14, 2025 09:43PM

ugarte
ugarte
toddlose
ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

.
from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
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+1 lol
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 14, 2025 09:53PM

LGR14
As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.

You didn't stutter; I heard your doctrinaire silliness the first time. Freiburg had Heidegger; only fair Cornell should have its... local color.

Let your Bibi flag fly. He's not even committed to his genocide. He's just trying to save his wrinkled old ass by hiding behind you. So pathetic.

He makes a desert and calls it peace. Hamas and Likud are the same mental illness.

Or, more likely, business model. Prolly the same board, laughing all the way to the bank.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2025 09:55PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 14, 2025 09:56PM

ugarte
toddlose
ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

.
from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
This is the silt trap. You no like? You leave. Not your circus and not your clowns.

It is better to have it out with the fasc in Comments than with ordinance. They are cowards. They will always fold in the face of the viciousness they excuse, for whatever supernatural idiocy they ascribe to.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2025 09:58PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: LGR14 (65.155.80.---)
Date: March 15, 2025 12:56AM

Trotsky
LGR14
As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.

You didn't stutter; I heard your doctrinaire silliness the first time. Freiburg had Heidegger; only fair Cornell should have its... local color.

Let your Bibi flag fly. He's not even committed to his genocide. He's just trying to save his wrinkled old ass by hiding behind you. So pathetic.

He makes a desert and calls it peace. Hamas and Likud are the same mental illness.

Or, more likely, business model. Prolly the same board, laughing all the way to the bank.

Thanks, will do.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-87.myvzw.com)
Date: March 15, 2025 02:19AM

Trotsky
ugarte
toddlose
ugarte
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.

.
from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
This is the silt trap. You no like? You leave. Not your circus and not your clowns.

It is better to have it out with the fasc in Comments than with ordinance. They are cowards. They will always fold in the face of the viciousness they excuse, for whatever supernatural idiocy they ascribe to.
Setting aside the substance of what you’re saying (honestly I have no comment and really don’t care to get involved whatsoever), I think your writing style needs work.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 18, 2025 02:30PM

From today’s D&C —

Three NY colleges under investigation for alleged civil rights violations

Here are the three New York schools named in the letters:

Cornell University and New York University for "allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."

Ithaca College for "allegedly impermissible race-based scholarships and race-based segregation."
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 18, 2025 04:26PM

George64
"allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."
if I translate this from MAGA to English I'm assuming this is "you have a diversity program and we don't like that"? like the diversity fellowships?
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 18, 2025 04:42PM

stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:

Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.

“Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!” one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: March 18, 2025 04:56PM

George64
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:

Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.

“Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!” one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
.

Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 18, 2025 05:45PM

stereax
George64
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:

Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.

“Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!” one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
.

Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not.

Thanks! I think Kotlikoff’s been a terrific interim president and before that an outstanding provost. I wish he was 15 years younger, so our Board could simply remove the “interim” tag.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: March 18, 2025 09:02PM

George64
stereax
George64
stereax
Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event today.

Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.

You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.

I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.

From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:

Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.

“Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!” one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
.

Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not.

Thanks! I think Kotlikoff’s been a terrific interim president and before that an outstanding provost. I wish he was 15 years younger, so our Board could simply remove the “interim” tag.
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I don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 18, 2025 10:48PM

stereax
I don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.

Here’s a good summary of his achievements - [https://president.cornell.edu/about/]. Too bad, he’s almost 75.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 19, 2025 08:37AM

George64
From today’s D&C —

Three NY colleges under investigation for alleged civil rights violations

Here are the three New York schools named in the letters:

Cornell University and New York University for "allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."

Ithaca College for "allegedly impermissible race-based scholarships and race-based segregation."
.

The latest from today’s D&C
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: March 19, 2025 09:12AM

George64
stereax
I don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.

Here’s a good summary of his achievements - [https://president.cornell.edu/about/]. Too bad, he’s almost 75.
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God damn, that's impressive.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 19, 2025 12:53PM

stereax
I don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
Cornell wants every president to live up to the Frank HT Rhodes charisma level, well-dressed, tall, debonair, with a British accent.

Current provost now acting-President Michael Kotlikoff would make a good president but he's 73-74 years old this year and the ideal president has a ten-year tenure. Some say previous provost Kent Fuchs would have been a good David Skorton successor but some say he was not quite the engaging personality Cornell wanted. He was good enough to be named President of the University of Florida just after it became apparent Cornell was not pursuing him for president; Fuchs served 2015-2023 then came back in an interim role after the 14-month presidency tenure of former Sen. Ben Sasse.

Give Kotlikoff credit for sitting for a Cornell Daily Sun interview that, IMO, was confrontational and in some cases almost hostile, some might say. It's the kind of thing the Cornell handlers would recommend against.

Plus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2025 12:55PM by billhoward.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: chimpfood (216.79.19.---)
Date: March 19, 2025 03:18PM

billhoward
Plus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
He was at Ivy madness this year
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 24, 2025 07:58PM

chimpfood
billhoward
Plus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
He was at Ivy madness this year
Ivy Madness 2024-2025 is the encampments on the Ivy quads, threats whispered in the ears of Jewish students, most of us not understanding fully the horrors of living in Gaza, many of us in sorrow that Palestinian leaders are willing to sacrifice their people to make a point.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 25, 2025 09:44AM

billhoward
Ivy Madness 2024-2025 is the encampments on the Ivy quads, threats whispered in the ears of Jewish students, most of us not understanding fully the horrors of living in Gaza, many of us in sorrow that Palestinian leaders are willing to sacrifice their people to make a point.

+1
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 11:41AM

Kotlikoff in the NY Times. Our trustees made the right choice in removing the “interim” tag.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (178.159.136.---)
Date: March 31, 2025 01:41PM

George64
Kotlikoff in the NY Times. Our trustees made the right choice in removing the “interim” tag.
Archive link to avoid paywall.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 04:20PM

stereax
George64
Kotlikoff in the NY Times. Our trustees made the right choice in removing the “interim” tag.
Archive link to avoid paywall.

Thanks, I’m too old to know how to do that!
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 08, 2025 07:45PM

Funding canceled

[www.nytimes.com]
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 09:01PM

chimpfood
Funding canceled

[www.nytimes.com]

For non-subscribers -

The Trump administration has frozen more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell and $790 million for Northwestern amid civil rights investigations into both schools, two administration officials said.

The funding pause involves mostly grants and contracts with the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the unannounced decision.

The moves are the latest in a rapidly escalating campaign against the nation’s elite universities that has resulted in more than $3.3 billion in federal funds suspended or canceled. The other schools that have had funds frozen include Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Penn and Princeton.

Representatives for Cornell and Northwestern did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

And the DOW down over 10 percent the past week!
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 09:12PM

From Inside Higher Ed -

The Trump administration is freezing more than $1 billion in federal funds at Cornell University and $790 million at Northwestern University—the latest colleges to see their federal grants and contracts threatened, The New York Times reported Tuesday, citing anonymous officials.

The affected funds will include money from the Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services Departments. The Times didn’t say why those universities were losing the money aside from noting that both institutions are facing civil rights investigations related to alleged antisemitism on campus. In recent weeks, Northwestern has sought to highlight its efforts to combat antisemitism, which include policy changes and mandatory antisemitism training for students, faculty and staff.

However, the administration can’t legally pull funding from colleges for civil rights violations until after a lengthy process that’s supposed to include notice to Congress and the opportunity for judicial review. Still, the Trump administration has used other avenues—which some experts say are illegal and are the subject of legal challenges—to cut off money. They include tapping a task force to investigate colleges and targeting their grants and contracts. The task force is currently reviewing Harvard University’s federal funding, which totals $9 billion, and has demanded several changes in order for the college to continue receiving money.


Jon Yates, a Northwestern spokesman, said the university learned via the media about the freeze, which would affect “a significant portion of our federal funding.”

“The University has not received any official notification from the federal government,” Yates wrote in an email to Inside Higher Ed. “Federal funds that Northwestern receives drive innovative and life-saving research, like the recent development by Northwestern researchers of the world’s smallest pacemaker, and research fueling the fight against Alzheimer’s disease. This type of research is now at jeopardy. The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress.”
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 09:28PM

The Cornell Daily Sun -

The federal government has frozen over $1 billion in funding for Cornell, according to members of the Trump administration. This comes amid an ongoing investigation by the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights.

The move follows the slashing of more than $3.3 billion in federal funding from several Ivy League universities, including Columbia, Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania, Brown and Princeton. The Trump administration also froze $790 million in funding for Northwestern, according to The New York Times.

Cornell receives both federal and state funding for its research and grants for students. The freezing of Cornell and Northwestern’s funding from the federal government will primarily involve grants and contracts with the departments of agriculture, defense, education and health and human services, The New York Times reported.

The ED OCR sent a letter on Feb. 14 to federally funded educational institutions, ordering the dissolution of “racial preferences” and other University race-conscious decisions. The ED highlighted in the letter that universities could potentially lose federal funding if they did not comply within 14 days.

Following the initial letter, the OCR announced the opening of an investigation of Cornell and 44 other universities under Title VI. The OCR explained that the investigations came amid allegations that the universities violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by working with The Ph.D. Project — which “purports to provide doctoral students with insights into obtaining a Ph.D. and networking opportunities, but limits eligibility based on the race of participants,” according to the OCR.

In January, the White House budget office sent a memo to government agencies ordering a temporary pause in federal financial assistance authorized in Congress. This action was temporarily blocked by Federal Judge Loren AliKhan of the District of Columbia.

Following this decision, President Michael Kotlikoff, Provost Kavita Bala and Provost of Medical Affairs Dr. Robert Harrington sent a Jan. 28 statement to the Cornell community responding to potential concerns about the pause in grant and research funding.

In the statement, administrators recognized that while the temporary pause in funding was “unsettling,” the University “will work together to ensure the continuity of our missions” to help “maintain our efforts to ‘do the greatest good.’”
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 09:29PM

The Daily Northwestern -

The Trump administration has frozen $790 million in federal funding for Northwestern, The New York Times first reported Tuesday.

The freeze comes amid recent attacks on some of the nation’s elite universities by the Trump administration, with more than $3.3 billion in federal funding having been paused or completely cancelled thus far.

Also on Tuesday, the administration froze more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell University.

NU and Cornell now join Brown University, Columbia University, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania and Princeton University, which have all been affected by the funding cuts over the past several weeks.

Many of these universities are also undergoing federal civil rights investigations. NU is currently being investigated by the Education Department and Department of Justice and is one of 10 universities that the Federal Task Force to Combat Antisemitism will visit.

The pause primarily targets grants and contracts from the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, according to officials that The Times spoke to.

A University spokesperson told The Daily that NU has not yet been notified of the cuts by the federal government and were instead “informed by members of the media.” They added that NU’s “innovative and lifesaving research” is now at risk.

“The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress,” the spokesperson said.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 09, 2025 08:23AM

Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 09, 2025 09:26AM

George64
The Daily Northwestern -

The Trump administration has frozen $790 million in federal funding for Northwestern, The New York Times first reported Tuesday.

The freeze comes amid recent attacks on some of the nation’s elite universities by the Trump administration, with more than $3.3 billion in federal funding having been paused or completely cancelled thus far.

Also on Tuesday, the administration froze more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell University.

NU and Cornell now join Brown University, Columbia University, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania and Princeton University, which have all been affected by the funding cuts over the past several weeks.

Many of these universities are also undergoing federal civil rights investigations. NU is currently being investigated by the Education Department and Department of Justice and is one of 10 universities that the Federal Task Force to Combat Antisemitism will visit.

The pause primarily targets grants and contracts from the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, according to officials that The Times spoke to.

A University spokesperson told The Daily that NU has not yet been notified of the cuts by the federal government and were instead “informed by members of the media.” They added that NU’s “innovative and lifesaving research” is now at risk.

“The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress,” the spokesperson said.
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Cornell, Brown, Columbia, Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania and Princeton, or as they say at the White House, six down, two to go! Just how many rejection letters did Barron get?
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: April 09, 2025 10:16AM

We got an email yesterday at 11:04 PM (which tells you what you need to know already) saying this:

Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornell community,

Cornell is aware of media reports suggesting that more than $1 billion in federal grants have been frozen. While we have not received information that would confirm this figure, earlier today Cornell received more than 75 stop-work orders from the Department of Defense related to research that is profoundly significant to American national defense, cybersecurity, and health.

The affected grants include research into new materials for jet engines, propulsion systems, large-scale information networks, robotics, superconductors, and space and satellite communications, as well as cancer research – work of significance for our national defense, the competitiveness of our economy, and the health of our citizens.

We are actively seeking information from federal officials to learn more about the basis for these decisions.

Cornell is a land-grant university that serves New York state and the nation. The university has worked diligently to create an environment where all individuals and viewpoints are protected and respected. We are committed to working with our federal partners to continue the contributions made by our scientists and scholars.

Sincerely,

Michael I. Kotlikoff
President

Kavita Bala
Provost

Robert A. Harrington
Provost for Medical Affairs
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---)
Date: April 09, 2025 10:16AM

No idea why it posted twice, sorry **]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/09/2025 10:17AM by stereax.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (45.14.195.---)
Date: April 10, 2025 04:55PM

We got an email about institutional voice! And a form to fill out to tell them what you think, if you want. Here. There's a spot for alumni to answer, I'm assuming most of you are :)
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 11, 2025 10:55AM

Not about Cornell, but may affect us indirectly. NYTimes: Trump May Seek Judicial Oversight of Columbia, Potentially for Years. Also in the WSJ. Ivy admissions were announced at the end of March. I’d bet that Columbia’s yield will be down, with many admits coming to NY’s other Ivy.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 11, 2025 02:37PM

Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 14, 2025 10:08PM

Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 15, 2025 12:39AM

Ithaca Voice reports on Cornell announcement of some the research funding under the stop work order from the White House.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 15, 2025 09:42AM

upprdeck
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.

The first time I ever said “Go Harvard.” The hockey team still sucks, though!
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 15, 2025 10:44PM

George64
upprdeck
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.

The first time I ever said “Go Harvard.” The hockey team still sucks, though!
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From Harvard’s letter in response to the funding freeze: “The university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights. Neither Harvard nor any other private university can allow itself to be taken over by the federal government. Accordingly, Harvard will not accept the government's terms as an agreement in principle.

Harvard remains open to dialogue about what the university has done, and is planning to do, to improve the experience of every member of its community. But Harvard is not prepared to agree to demands that go beyond the lawful authority of this or any administration.”
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 16, 2025 11:01AM

upprdeck
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 16, 2025 11:47AM

I know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant

8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.

Lost in this is that the amount of indirect cost really does vary based on the type of research and the govt doesnt take that into account as well.

Maybe the schools fight back on how much time and effort is done in tracking the progress of the grants that the Govt requires then to lower the indirect cost.

Make the govt figure it all out. Of course they cant since they laid 25% of them off now.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: HeafDog (---.20.204.194.hwccustomers.com)
Date: April 17, 2025 08:16AM

ugarte
upprdeck
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell

Good. :-( I would rather we go flat broke, and our beloved alma mater turn into a ghost town, than buckle to these clowns.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/17/2025 08:20AM by HeafDog.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 17, 2025 08:46AM

the schools that are joining together to fight this have a ton of clout.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-85.myvzw.com)
Date: April 17, 2025 01:02PM

ugarte
upprdeck
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell
I think this lawsuit is on an issue distinct from the 1bn of frozen funding—it deals with a much smaller amount of incidental research costs that the government is trying to cut the funding for. The 1bn of frozen funding is way more of a threat to Cornell and they may be forced to capitulate to Trump’s demands like Columbia did.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 17, 2025 01:16PM

Endanger our students. Fine.

Endanger our money. Prepare to die.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2025 09:00AM

George64
The first time I ever said “Go Harvard.” The hockey team still sucks, though!
I'm going to have this one bronzed.

This is sort of like reverse Nazis: First they came for the elite schools. But eventually they'll come for the lesser leaves of the Ivies.

You'd think with Anne Coulter '84 on our side, so to speak, we'd have some inherited immunity. And OMG the Dartmouth Review should make those people Untouchables.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2025 09:05AM

upprdeck
I know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant

8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.

Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ilinois, 1896-1969
A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-88.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2025 10:53AM

billhoward
upprdeck
I know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant

8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.

Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ilinois, 1896-1969
A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.
The Trump administration froze over 1bn of research funding btw. The 8m, which Cornell is challenging, is separate from the 1bn.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2025 02:27PM

except they didnt really freeze 8 billion

they froze grants that totalled some number.

but many of those grants are for money that was already spent.

any nothing at cornell has really been frozen yet, its more of a threat at this point.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-88.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2025 03:09PM

upprdeck
except they didnt really freeze 8 billion

they froze grants that totalled some number.

but many of those grants are for money that was already spent.

any nothing at cornell has really been frozen yet, its more of a threat at this point.
They froze 1bn, not 8bn. See this article:
[ithacavoice.org]

The funds are frozen for 90 days.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2025 04:24PM

So i have a grant for 10 million . the grant is over 5 yrs.

Most grants do now pay out in any set way

You can spend 9 million in yr 1 on materials and the rest for labor over 5 yrs.

Much like many things this president has said. Don't believe all the numbers

Sure a 10 million grant was paused. Doens't mean it wasn't spent.

Pausing work vs freezing funds also means different things on how it pays out.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2025 04:27PM

[nypost.com]

The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.217.---)
Date: April 20, 2025 07:33PM

Isn't that Slope Day? I'd say it's more on the planning committee than the administration. Then again, I was never involved in that work so maybe the admin has more of a say than I think.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: chimpfood (216.79.19.---)
Date: April 20, 2025 07:55PM

Iceberg
Isn't that Slope Day? I'd say it's more on the planning committee than the administration. Then again, I was never involved in that work so maybe the admin has more of a say than I think.
It is, the president was quoted saying something along the lines of the administration did not know she was controversial until it was too late.

I’m against her coming simply because I’ve never heard of her and I don’t think it’ll be a fun concert but in an age where every celebrity feels the need to express their political views online good luck finding someone that neither side hates.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 09:03AM

In my inbox this morning -

Livestream with President Michael I. Kotlikoff
Monday, April 21, 11:30 - 12:15 p.m. EDT

Don’t forget: Tune in today to hear directly from President Kotlikoff! He’ll share insights into managing today’s challenging higher education environment.

Should be interesting!
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 12:40PM

I don’t know if it will be streamed later, but if it is, it’s well worth watching. My first takeaway is that Mike Kotlikoff is the right person to be leading our university at this time.

He addressed Slope Day right out of the box. He mentioned that Kehlani’s social media posts were abhorrent. Cancelling the event was considered, but to do so would have created a division between those who would be understandably offended by her presence and those who wanted to hear her perform. The administration reviewed her performance at Northwestern, it went off without incident and no politics were involved. The university rewrote her contract to specify cancelling her remuneration should she make political references. He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he’s spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can’t imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-88.myvzw.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 01:04PM

George64
I don’t know if it will be streamed later, but if it is, it’s well worth watching. My first takeaway is that Mike Kotlikoff is the right person to be leading our university at this time.

He addressed Slope Day right out of the box. He mentioned that Kehlani’s social media posts were abhorrent. Cancelling the event was considered, but to do so would have created a division between those who would be understandably offended by her presence and those who wanted to hear her perform. The administration reviewed her performance at Northwestern, it went off without incident and no politics were involved. The university rewrote her contract to specify cancelling her remuneration should she make political references. He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he’s spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can’t imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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Musicians hold all sorts of stupid views and unless those views are incorporated into their performance, which is not the case here, it would be silly to disinvite them based on those views. The downside of allowing this musician (whom I had honestly never heard of in my entire life) to perform is that it puts Cornell in the crosshairs of the Trump administration because conservative media is running this story. The idea that the campus is unsafe or that kids might make decisions on where to attend school based off a slope day performer seems to me like it’s blowing this way out of proportion. Again, I don’t know anything about this musician or their views, they could be completely moronic for all I know—I just don’t think anybody cares beyond feigned outrage in conservative media.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 01:52PM

George64
He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he’s spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can’t imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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I’m willing to bet that Cornell will have a higher yield from this year's admits and Columbia will suffer a lower yield.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 01:56PM

Kotlikoff isn’t a Frank Rhodes, or even David Skorton, but more a Dale Corson - the right person for the time. He mentioned that he and his wife regularly attend men’s and women’s basketball, as well as wrestling, track and field, hockey, lacrosse, etc. No mention of football, that I recall - that would be a bridge too far. Hopefully, that will change. He also noted that the venue for the Heps will change, as they will need to be held at a facility with a banked track, so Barton Hall will no longer do.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-244-144.myvzw.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 07:12PM

underskill
[nypost.com]

The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 21, 2025 08:10PM

ugarte
underskill
[nypost.com]

The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism

Agreed. One can be against the current Israeli government's policies, yet support the continued existence of the state of Israel and certainly not be antisemitic. Going back to my undergraduate years, opposing the Vietnam war did not make one anti-American, although “America, love it or leave it” was a common refrain.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: April 21, 2025 09:06PM

ugarte
underskill
[nypost.com]

The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism

+1
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 23, 2025 10:12AM

Kehlani cancelled for slope day
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2025 10:12AM by chimpfood.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: April 23, 2025 10:26AM

chimpfood
Kehlani cancelled for slope day

Just got the email. Would post it, but I keep getting this:

Phorum Database Error
Sorry, a Phorum database error occurred.
The error message has been written
to the phorum-sql-errors.log error log.
Please try again later!
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Iceberg (---.tmodns.net)
Date: April 23, 2025 10:44AM

I wonder how quickly they get someone else given the tight turnaround. I'm sure they had other options but as I said, I had no involvement in that group, so it may be harder than I think
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 23, 2025 11:47AM

April 23, 2025

Dear Cornellians,

Slope Day is a cherished tradition at Cornell — a time for our community to come together to celebrate the end of classes. For decades, student leaders have taken the helm in organizing this event, hiring performers they hope will appeal to the student body.

Unfortunately, although it was not the intention, the selection of Kehlani as this year’s headliner has injected division and discord into Slope Day. For that reason, I am rescinding Kehlani’s invitation and expect a new lineup for a great 2025 Slope Day to be announced shortly.

In the days since Kehlani was announced, I have heard grave concerns from our community that many are angry, hurt, and confused that Slope Day would feature a performer who has espoused antisemitic, anti-Israel sentiments in performances, videos, and on social media. While any artist has the right in our country to express hateful views, Slope Day is about uniting our community, not dividing it.

I have spent the last few days talking privately with many students about Slope Day, and I appreciate the candor they shared. I also spoke with the student Slope Day Programming Board, who agree that this selection has compromised what is meant to be an inclusive event. Going forward, we will work together to revise the process for researching and selecting performers for this important annual event.

I understand that my decision will be celebrated by some and criticized by others. I believe it is the right thing to do and the decision I must make to ensure community and safety at this high-profile event that reaches the entire campus. Cornell is an institution where “any person can find instruction in any study,” and where every person should feel included at the signature social event of the year.

I look forward to celebrating Slope Day together with all of you.

Sincerely,

Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: April 23, 2025 12:44PM

Damned if ya do...damned if ya don't.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: LGR14 (170.85.70.---)
Date: April 23, 2025 01:44PM

You people are all ridiculous. This is someone who wrote "DISMANTLE ISRAEL. ERADICATE ZIONISM" in the aftermath of October 7th. She called zionists the "scum of the earth." The vast majority of Jews are zionists.

There's a big difference between a group bringing a speaker to campus (in which case students who disagree or don't want to see someone calling for their destruction can simply stay home), and putting this person on the stage for Slope Day (where students can do the same thing, except that completely undermines the nature of the event itself, unlike in the former scenario).

If I were on campus, I would have left Slope Day before she came on, and that would have been a shame. There are countless other performers. The blame is on the committee for not doing basic vetting (or for completely ignoring the issue, which is worse) and the administration for rubber-stamping.
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Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 24, 2025 03:30PM

LGR14
The vast majority of Jews are zionists.
citation fucking needed

 
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: CAS (---.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com)
Date: April 24, 2025 04:07PM

Start with about 45% of the world’s Jews live in Israel
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 24, 2025 04:12PM

ugarte
LGR14
The vast majority of Jews are zionists.
citation fucking needed

We’d all be dead otherwise by now.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-91.myvzw.com)
Date: April 24, 2025 05:22PM

Before this goes any further, you are all going to need to specify what you mean by “Zionism”
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: LGR14 (---.sub-174-198-11.myvzw.com)
Date: April 24, 2025 05:33PM

BearLover
Before this goes any further, you are all going to need to specify what you mean by “Zionism”

The belief in the right of Jews to have self-determination in Israel.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 27, 2025 01:30PM

Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun, Kotlikoff folds. “A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money,” channeling Everitt Dirksen.
 
Re: We're gonna be in the news again
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 27, 2025 02:47PM

Both sides have sociopathic leaders who long ago decided the only way out is genocide. Now it's a race. If you accept that axiom, all following actions by both make sense.

All well and good. Just don't pretend either side's leaders are any different. The way to peace, short of mass death, is each side's population of humans rises up and takes out the ghouls at the top of their own ticket, with alacrity.
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