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Polls 3/7/05

Posted by Chris 02 
Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: Chris 02 (---.aere.iastate.edu)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:33PM

USCHO.com/CSTV Division I Men's Poll
March 7, 2005

   Team        (First Place)    Record  Pts   Last Week
 1 Colorado College     (16)    26-7-3  562     1
 2 Denver                (4)    24-9-2  529     3
 3 Cornell              (16)    22-4-3  512     2
 4 Michigan              (4)    26-7-3  507     4
 5 Boston College               21-6-7  482     5
 6 Minnesota                   24-12-1  357     9
 7 Ohio State                   24-8-4  337     8
 8 Wisconsin                   21-11-4  277     6
 9 Boston University           21-11-4  273    10
10 New Hampshire                22-9-5  266     7
11 Harvard                      18-8-3  225    11
12 Maine                       18-11-7  120    12
-- Northern Michigan            20-9-7  120    14
14 North Dakota                18-13-5   68    NR
15 Mass.-Lowell                20-10-4   67    13

Others Receiving Votes: Dartmouth 58, Colgate 28,
Vermont 9, Minnesota-Duluth 1, Minnesota State 1,
Nebraska-Omaha 1

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USA TODAY/USA Hockey Magazine Top 15 Men's Hockey Poll


The USA TODAY/USA Hockey Magazine Top 15 men's
college hockey poll with first-place votes
in parentheses, 2004-05 record and rank:  

(as of March 6)

    TEAM                        PTS    Record    Last week
    ----                        ---    ------    ---------
1.  Colorado (16)               481    26-7-3         1
2.  Cornell (15)                471    22-4-3         1
3.  Denver (2)                  429    24-9-2         3
4.  Michigan (1)                418    26-7-3         4
5.  Boston College              406    21-6-7         5
6.  Minnesota                   316    24-12-1        9
7.  Ohio State                  310    24-8-4         6
8.  Boston University           242    21-11-4       10
9.  Wisconsin                   235    21-11-4        7
10. New Hampshire               233    22-9-5         8
11. Harvard                     169    18-8-3        11
12. Maine                       133    18-11-7       12
13. Northern Michigan            96    20-9-7        14
14. Massachusetts-Lowell         49    20-10-4       13  
15. North Dakota                 43    18-13-5       15

Others receiving votes: Dartmouth 22; Colgate, 20; Nebraska Omaha 3; 
Vermont 3; Quinnipiac 1.


Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2005 06:10PM by Chris 02.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: calgARI '07 (205.232.75.---)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:36PM

Beautiful. Not much question that CC and Denver are the top two teams in college hockey after this weekend. Although Cornell is hardly under the radar at this point, them being at 3 or 4 is fine.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: CornellChris (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:42PM

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Beautiful. Not much question that CC and Denver are the top two teams in college hockey after this weekend. Although Cornell is hardly under the radar at this point, them being at 3 or 4 is fine.[/q]

You're probably right. I just hate to see Cornell go down in both polls after winning out the season.

-Chris '03
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: KenP (---.abrfc.noaa.gov)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:51PM

[Q]CornellChris Wrote:
You're probably right. I just hate to see Cornell go down in both polls after winning out the season.[/q]
I'm not the least bit surprised. Cornell's jump in the polls last week was largely possible because of ColCol's week off (and Denver's split with SCSU).

If Cornell sweeps the ECAC's I suspect they'll be #1 or #2 in the final poll, depending on the WCHA tournament results. If they lose once in Albany (or this weekend) they'll probably jump down to #5-7. If they lose the series this weekend they'll drop to about #10.

Regardless, the polls are just for fun. Cornell has pretty much secured at least a #3 seed in the NCAA's. What's important right now (and for the rest of the season) is winning the next game.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2005 04:52PM by KenP.
 
Joke
Posted by: mike (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:54PM

What a joke. Have any of you guys noticed for the past month CC and denver have been splitting the series. They will always win one loose one. And you have a team who hasnt lost in 14 games as a #2 or #3 team in the nation. Rediculous. And cornell has secured alot higher than a #3 seed in the ncaa tournament. They have secured atleast a #2 and are very likely to receive a #1 with success in the ECAC's.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: Will (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 04:59PM

[Q]CornellChris Wrote:

You're probably right. I just hate to see Cornell go down in both polls after winning out the season.

-Chris '03
[/q]

Well, to be fair, we didn't beat Anybody this past weekend. ;-)

 
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Re: Joke
Posted by: Jingleheimerschmidt (---.rover.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:00PM

Sorry Mike, I've gotta agree with everybody else. Cornell has been on a great run, but the only team that is currently in the NCAA's (according to bracketology on USCHO.com) is Dartmouth. Both CC and Denver have played and beaten much better teams than Cornell in that stretch. And I also have to agree with only securing a 3 or 4 seed so far (even if they lose this weekend). A trip to Albany would secure them as the last 2 or a 3 seed, a trip to the finals gets them a definite 2 seed, maybe a 1 seed, and a win just about guarantees a 1 seed as 3 of the top 5 teams in the country all play in the WCHA and not all of them can win that tournament.
 
Re: Joke
Posted by: calgARI '07 (205.232.75.---)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:02PM

[Q]mike Wrote:

What a joke. Have any of you guys noticed for the past month CC and denver have been splitting the series. They will always win one loose one. And you have a team who hasnt lost in 14 games as a #2 or #3 team in the nation. Rediculous. And cornell has secured alot higher than a #3 seed in the ncaa tournament. They have secured atleast a #2 and are very likely to receive a #1 with success in the ECAC's.[/q]

CC and Denver have played much tougher schedules than Cornell and quite frankly are more worthy of higher standing in the useless poll than Cornell is. Cornell hasn't proven nearly as much as they have simply because they haven't played the schedule they have. What does it mean for the ultimate outcome of the NCAA's? It means nothing.
 
Tough schedules??
Posted by: mike (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:05PM

your right minnasota state is real good. Denver lost to them and CC tied. Not too impressive. CC also lost to st. cloud state at home. I dont care how easy your schedule is. To go out there and win 14 games straight is very hard to do. Especially going through teams like colgate dartmoth and vermont. Look at the INCH rankings they actually know what there talken about.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: calgARI '07 (205.232.75.---)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:08PM

Playing decent and better teams every game and they are expected to win every time out? What Cornell has done being unbeaten in 14 is very impressive. But if they had played the same schedule in their last 14 that Denver or CC has, they wouldn't be unbeaten in that time, even if they are as good as we hope they are.
 
Re: Tough schedules??
Posted by: Will (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:12PM

[Q]mike Wrote:

Look at the INCH rankings they actually know what there talken about.[/q]

I never thought I'd see anyone say that. twitch

 
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Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: CornellChris (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:13PM

[Q]Will Wrote:

CornellChris Wrote:

You're probably right. I just hate to see Cornell go down in both polls after winning out the season.

-Chris '03
[/Q]
Well, to be fair, we didn't beat Anybody this past weekend.[/q]

Hehe. Very true. Then again, we didn't lose to anybody either. I have much to learn from you and your "don't sweat the small stuff" approach to college hockey. :)

To that end... As Ken and many others have said, the polls are just for fun anyway. As such, I'm now pleasantly indifferent to this latest development.

-Chris '03
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: Pete Godenschwager (---.chem.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:14PM

[Q] your right minnasota state is real good. Denver lost to them and CC tied. Not too impressive[/Q]

Well, Cornell lost to Michigan St., and Michigan St. isn't exactly tearing it up this year. You can't take the results of one or two games to define a team's season. 14 games unbeaten is impressive. Is it better than going 10-4 against better teams? That's why there's a tournament at the end of the year.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 05:17PM

Last week I wrote:[q]It will be interesting to see what happens in the polls this week since Cornell is off and Denver and CC play each other. If either team manages to sweep I expect that team to be the consensus #1 (and deservedly so). If the series is split, then it's an open question. Cornell could sneak up to #1 or drop to #3 if the two games were close and competitive.[/q]Guess I was wrong, 'cuz two shutouts that don't seem close by the numbers (3-0, 0-5) don't qualify as close and competitive in my book. But I can't complain about the results.
 
Re: Tough schedules??
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 06:01PM

[Q]mike Wrote:
Look at the INCH rankings they actually know what there talken about.[/q]
come again?!? can't tell if it's the koolaid or the crack but you ain't right in the head if you think that. screwy help screwy

 
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Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2005 06:16PM

it's interesting to note the USCHO/CSTV voters seem to split along #1/#5 (aka vote the PWR) while the USA Today seems to vote #1/#3 much more in keeping of polls predicting success rather than past performance (or western bias ;-)). that said knowing full well polls are useless toys for the uninformed fan ... and we're right were we should be not too high, not too low, but juuuust right.

 
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Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: Trotsky (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: March 07, 2005 06:30PM

On one hand, you shouldn't drop if you are idle and the teams around you lose. OTOH, Cornell probably shouldn't have been 1(t) last week. On the third hand, it just doesn't matter. T(itle) minus 8 wins and counting.
 
Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 09, 2005 10:47AM

[Q]Will Wrote:

CornellChris Wrote:

You're probably right. I just hate to see Cornell go down in both polls after winning out the season.

-Chris '03
[/Q]
Well, to be fair, we didn't beat Anybody this past weekend.[/q]

Didn't Anybody beat Brom and split with Aquafresh?



 
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Re: Polls 3/7/05
Posted by: Steve M (---.fluor.com)
Date: March 09, 2005 11:25AM

We're 5th in the PWR and that's all that really matters, even though it's fun to tell people (those few who know that college hockey exists) that your alma mater is #1 or 2 in the polls.

If Schafer were asked about it, I'll bet he would say we're a top 10 or maybe top 5 team and exactly how high we should be will be decided on NCAA playoff ice.
 

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