WHCU ends broadcast partnership with CU

WHCU to conclude historic broadcast partnership with Cornell Hockey:

[607newsnow.com]

More time for WHCU to air the quality evening programming we are accustomed to hearing leading up to games the past few years I suppose. *eyeroll*

Locals I've talked to today have expressed concerns how this will play out in terms of a terrestrial audio offering.

Sad. Passing of an era.

But ...

The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.

The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?

I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.

radio is so much easier when listening outside the house. Doing yardwork or in a car. And cell phone coverage is just so bad in so many places around here.

billhoward
Sad. Passing of an era.

But ...

The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.

The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?

I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.

Anyone care to put odds on Jason vs. Grady? This potentially sucks for me because I like them both. And for the record I'm not from Binghamton.

billhoward
Sad. Passing of an era.

But ...

The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.

That's not the only problem.

There are games not invited to the Bristol Bastard Banquet. Worse, at least ten times a year that inept crew drops trou and leaves large chunks of games with no video coverage. And now we are shut out from them.

WHCU may have crawled up the fasc anus, but at least they actually gave a shit about Cornell hockey. Bill Rasmussen's fucktoy never did and never will.

billhoward
Sad. Passing of an era.

But ...

The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.

The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?

I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.

I never understood why WVBR doesn't do the games. It's not as if their other programming relies on large audiences; well, I shouldn't say that, I am judging by back in the day when Throbbing Gristle was too mainstream for their DJs.

Trotsky
I never understood why WVBR doesn't do the games. It's not as if their other programming relies on large audiences; well, I shouldn't say that, I am judging by back in the day when Throbbing Gristle was too mainstream for their DJs.

I'm reasonably certain it had something to do with not wanting to spend the money on the rights. That plus the training program for sportsies at VBR never really included play-by-play or color, just reporting and panel, and paying for outside talent was more or less taboo as well.

Cornell wanting more money would make sense.

But even big time sports like SU struggles to get games on the radio to cover most of the state. No different than the Mets who you can't listen to at all locally anymore.

Very sad. I like Grady. He seems like a nice guy but Jason is an outstanding radio pbp voice. A real shame if he’s lost to us as I assume he will be.

Grady is outstanding.

I miss the pre- and post-game analysis that the football, basketball, and lacrosse radio broadcasts used to provide. I will miss that if the radio broadcasts go away for hockey.

The school loses site of the bigger picture. Anything they do which limits fans access just means less people down the road who care. Attendance is dropping off as it is.

If they think streaming fills that hole in coverage, they don't really understand the void that it fills.

Understandable that WVBR wouldn't be a part of the university - don't want to be under its thumb, especially now - but also a bummer that it wouldn't get preferential treatment as a part of the larger university community.

Some of the most enjoyable and entertaining Cornell sports talk I have ever heard took place on WHCU during the Ohio State and Rutgers NCAA lacrosse tournament weather delays in 2022.

This is most unfortunate. Over the last few years, regardless of where we traveling, we could always stream WHCU. Not so with ESPN+ and predecessor TV streaming services. We've listened to games while in China, all through Asia, and on various oceans while on cruises.

And while driving to and from games, being able to listen to the pre and post game commentary, coaches interviews, postgame analysis, and the "three stars" all on the radio was wonderful.

Very sorry to see it go.

mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

There are lots of places where driving I could reliably get the hcu stream but the ESPN plus with video was just too much for the cell service.

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

vpn doesnt really fix the issue. the app cant beat vpn most of the time if they dont want it too

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

if i lived overseas i would hate this but i can't believe you really think cornell would consider this a material deficiency

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)

Swampy

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)

Unless ESPN doesn't know and their webcrawler/AI gizmo reads this. Some crack coder might shut down this method.

It's more that you are not supposed to compromise this site by posting info like that. It is easy enough to PM.

marty

Swampy

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)

Unless ESPN doesn't know and their webcrawler/AI gizmo reads this. Some crack coder might shut down this method.

No offense to Iceberg but Iceberg does not have intel on VPNs that the dedicated IP-enforcement squad at Disney does not. Whatever Iceberg is watching through, Disney has a team of engineers trying to neutralize like a swarm of white blood cells.

its trivial for most of the apps to defeat a vpn. very little you can do about it. its why you cant really beat the gambling sites because they actually do enforce the rules.

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.

[whatsondisneyplus.com]

With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I’m hopeful that there will be international access.

The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can’t say it wasn’t expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there’s a way to retain him and Grady somehow.

My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

RichH

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.

[whatsondisneyplus.com]

With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I’m hopeful that there will be international access.

The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can’t say it wasn’t expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there’s a way to retain him and Grady somehow.

My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

I wonder how much bandwidth is wasted by people streaming video broadcasts while driving because there is no audio-only option. The Sky Sports cricket broadcasts I get on Willow are great if you're watching them, but often the commentators are silent for several balls, or only react to things rather than describing them. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the BBC's Test Match Special audio outside the UK any more.

jtwcornell91

RichH

marty

Iceberg

upprdeck
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....

That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country

Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?

When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.

[whatsondisneyplus.com]

With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I’m hopeful that there will be international access.

The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can’t say it wasn’t expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there’s a way to retain him and Grady somehow.

My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

I wonder how much bandwidth is wasted by people streaming video broadcasts while driving because there is no audio-only option. The Sky Sports cricket broadcasts I get on Willow are great if you're watching them, but often the commentators are silent for several balls, or only react to things rather than describing them. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the BBC's Test Match Special audio outside the UK any more.

Your carbon footprint is showing.

upprdeck
its trivial for most of the apps to defeat a vpn. very little you can do about it. its why you cant really beat the gambling sites because they actually do enforce the rules.

[www.youtube.com]

RichH

The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can’t say it wasn’t expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there’s a way to retain him and Grady somehow.

My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

+1

Just posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.

ACM
Just posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.

That sucks, I loved those guys. Hope they know that us fans will miss them. Wonder what going in a different direction means. Student broadcasters?

chimpfood

ACM
Just posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.

That sucks, I loved those guys. Hope they know that us fans will miss them. Wonder what going in a different direction means. Student broadcasters?

Well, Jason is suddenly available...

Jason would make sense, therefore....

No offense to chimpfood and other students but student announcers would be a big step down, judging from what I’ve seen on other schools’ broadcasts. Doesn’t ESPN get a say here? Wouldn’t they want to hire a professional?

Grady and Tim were good announcers. Sometimes I wished they stuck to the action more and were more polished, but I liked them. Hopefully Jason gets the job. I can’t imagine the job pays much at all, so I don’t understand the “cost cutting” rationale.

arugula
Jason would make sense, therefore....

Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.

BearLover
No offense to chimpfood and other students but student announcers would be a big step down, judging from what I’ve seen on other schools’ broadcasts. Doesn’t ESPN get a say here? Wouldn’t they want to hire a professional?

Grady and Tim were good announcers. Sometimes I wished they stuck to the action more and were more polished, but I liked them. Hopefully Jason gets the job. I can’t imagine the job pays much at all, so I don’t understand the “cost cutting” rationale.

Agreed, not in favor of student announcers, just wondering what the new plan might be.

Trotsky

arugula
Jason would make sense, therefore....

Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.

Coming this fall, Cornell hockey with John Buccigross and Barry Melrose!

The way Cornell is going now they have a plan to let AI watch the game and tell the story.

Grady and Tim were a nice team, but if they bring back Jason I’d be pleased.

upprdeck
The way Cornell is going now they have a plan to let AI watch the game and tell the story.

I nearly snarked this as well.

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

arugula
Jason would make sense, therefore....

Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.

Coming this fall, Cornell hockey with John Buccigross and Barry Melrose!

Hold out for Mike Milbury.

The answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.

Trotsky

arugula
Jason would make sense, therefore....

Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.

+1

ugarte
The answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.

If that's the case, Grady is a regional freelancer.

Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

ugarte
The answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.

Play-by-Playmates?

RichH

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

What about the crap about the kids?

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

VIEWfromK

RichH

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

What about the crap about the kids?

OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money, THEN the kids….ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

RichH

VIEWfromK

RichH

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

What about the crap about the kids?

OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money….ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies

Run for president!

Swampy

RichH

VIEWfromK

RichH

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

What about the crap about the kids?

OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money….ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies

Run for president!

I mean, rewatching the Steve Martin bit, it’s hard to view it in this current reality.

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

I remember when buccigross basically installed himself as the pope of college hockey. We were doomed from that point on.

RichH

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

I remember when buccigross basically installed himself as the pope of college hockey. We were doomed from that point on.

As my BU friend calls him, sex pest Buccigross? That Buccigross?

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

I would prefer announcers with a long history in college hockey all else being equal, but I still don’t understand what you’re seeing from weekly ECAC color commentators that’s preferable to what someone like Pierre would provide. When Pierre commentated the Lake Placid the last few seasons, I noticed far more polish and in-depth analysis than I have heard from any regular ECAC announcer.

RichH

VIEWfromK

RichH

My third wish is for infinite wishes.

What about the crap about the kids?

OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money, THEN the kids….ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies

Fear, surprise, a ruthless efficicency, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope, and these cute little red uniforms...OH BUGGER!

Background for the keeeds.

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

It's worse than that. No one who does the NCAA games is part of NHL crews, except Buccigross - and that's just to throw him a bone, since he's mainly a studio guy. The other Regional crews are typically not even hockey broadcasters for most of the year.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

I think the big loss is that without the radio crew you most likely lose the pre-post game stuff. Most of that is not provided on ESPN+ feeds.

marty

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.

It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.

adamw

marty

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.

It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.

I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.

marty

adamw

marty

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.

It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.

I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.

WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.

ursusminor

marty

adamw

marty

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.

It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.

I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.

WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.

One of my not so close friends flunked out of Cornell - twice - because of all the time he spent at WVBR. Then about 20 years ago I saw his name in some sort of radio almanac. I hope he had a decent career.

ursusminor

marty

adamw

marty

adamw

jtwcornell91

BearLover

arugula
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved

I don’t really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.

Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.

BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.

This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.

I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?

There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.

It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.

I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.

WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.

I presume Jason Moy is long gone?

jtwcornell91
I presume Jason Moy is long gone?

Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.

[smttoday.com]

RichH

jtwcornell91
I presume Jason Moy is long gone?

Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.

[smttoday.com]

His partner at WRPI, Kurt Stutt, still does RPI football. As best I can recall Kurt's last hockey game was an away game several years ago.

ursusminor

RichH

jtwcornell91
I presume Jason Moy is long gone?

Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.

[smttoday.com]

His partner at WRPI, Kurt Stutt, still does RPI football. As best I can recall Kurt's last hockey game was an away game several years ago.

And Kurt seems to run an erzatz TBRW.

Jayson has lived in Singapore for like 20 years - at least last I knew.

adamw
Jayson has lived in Singapore for like 20 years - at least last I knew.

Hmm. Have he and Curtis Yarvin ever been seen in the same place at the same time.

Cornell Sun Fun fact: Cornell owned WHCU until 1985.

Jane McNally on the issue for the Sun: [www.cornellsun.com]

Maybe Gary Thorne would do the play-by-play now that Gio is enrolling.

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

CU2007

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

No question about it.

I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.

Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.

RichH

CU2007

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

No question about it.

I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.

Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.

But RC Holmes will surely continue to jump up to get that ball.

Before streaming took off I often used to set up a loop antenna in an attempt to listen to HCU at home. The results were iffy as was tuning it in on a car radio. (The TEF6686 chip found in many car radios is a great performer on both FM and AM. Only a few portable radios use this chip and that has only been for the last year or so.)

I'm just east of Troy, NY. For the past 2 years or so the AM signal rarely made it this far at night.

I think that HCU has either stopped properly maintaining their transmitter or made a cost saving mod that cut the power a bit.

Audio streaming of the games was a wonderful thing. I hope ESPN will grant us an audio only option but I'm not optimistic.

I havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years

Chris '03

RichH

CU2007

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

No question about it.

I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.

Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.

But RC Holmes will surely continue to jump up to get that ball.

I remain in widow's weeds for The Country Couple, at Triphammer Mall.

RichH

CU2007

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

No question about it.

I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.

Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.

Aw.

Dafatone

RichH

CU2007

Trotsky
Grady is outstanding.

“No doubt about it”

No question about it.

I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.

Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.

Aw.

Suds I won't drink. Smells like a citrus concoction.

upprdeck
I havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years

Interestingly I've occasionally picked it up in Hamilton as I left the Colgate game. Unfortunately as I left toward Syracuse, I lost it.

The furthest away that I've listened to a WHCU broadcast was 1968 in Cambridge, MA for the NCAAs.

I've told this story before, but to do it again.

If my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.

Today is so much nicer, but I still like radio. I have the radio frequency for each ECAC school's broadcast in my phone, so I could listen, particularly when leaving away games. That could be fun when we won.

I've occasionally picked up HCU on my car radio from Allentown.

It needs to be unusual atmospheric conditions and just before sundown. During the middle of the day it won't carry, and after dark it gets covered up by a high-powered station from New Orleans.

Jim Hyla
If my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.

So you guys invented Teamline (?) before it was a thing. (Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?)

Jim Hyla

upprdeck
I havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years

Interestingly I've occasionally picked it up in Hamilton as I left the Colgate game. Unfortunately as I left toward Syracuse, I lost it.

The furthest away that I've listened to a WHCU broadcast was 1968 in Cambridge, MA for the NCAAs.

I've told this story before, but to do it again.

If my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.

Today is so much nicer, but I still like radio. I have the radio frequency for each ECAC school's broadcast in my phone, so I could listen, particularly when leaving away games. That could be fun when we won.

it doesnt help that there is no cell phone once you get past the airport most of the time either.

jtwcornell91

(Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?)

I believe that you could call in for the Cornell lacrosse games as well

Jeff Hopkins '82
I've occasionally picked up HCU on my car radio from Allentown.

It needs to be unusual atmospheric conditions and just before sundown. During the middle of the day it won't carry, and after dark it gets covered up by a high-powered station from New Orleans.

I’ve picked it up heading north on 91 through Vermont on ski trips. Faded in on the uphill, out on the downhill, but you could definitely follow most of the games.

This change is another loss.

upprdeck
I havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years

Certainly a directional transmitter. When I lived in Rochester, I could pick it up in Victor after sunset, but during my time in Corning, driving in from the South on 13 I couldn’t pull it in at Alpine Junction just 20 miles away.

jtwcornell91
Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?

You are correct. It was terrible quality and rife with problems and we ate it and we liked it!

Relative Deprivation Theory wins again.

December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I picked up the tail-end of the UK radio broadcast sitting in my Buick in a parking lot in Yorktown Heights, NY. Announcers were in disbelief.

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.

Trotsky

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.

That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.

I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.

That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.

I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.

Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.

Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.

That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.

I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.

Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.

Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.

Yeah, those were the days. Bun now we have to keep the airwaves clear, just in case someone jaywalks in Berkeley and we have to fly in the marines to restore law & order.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

Swampy
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.

I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.

That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.

I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.

Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.

Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.

I actually became aware of hockey because of a clear channel station - WBZ in Boston. In the evenings, they had a call in program that often went off the rails. That was fun to listen to. But occasionally, they had the Bruins game on. So occasionally I listened to that instead.

I discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s. Boston and Baltimore were easy, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago were more challenging, mostly because there was so much NYC argle bargle in the way. I picked up Texas and KC broadcasts one time each -- no idea if there were origination or from repeaters.

OTOH it was absolutely no problem to get Cardinals games as long as it was late enough at night. They had a transmitter in every major city from Louisville to Oklahoma City and nothing stopping the signal.

Also eavesdropped on enough town meeting / fundy / John Birch fuckwittery that today's fasc seen tame. The Right isn't calling directly for lynchings anymore*, just hinting.

* At least for now.

Trotsky
I discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.

Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.