Ben Robertson transfer

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Not ideal. But given the coaching transition and large graduating class, some turnover is not surprising, even if it would not have been entirely expected based on recent trends. Will be interesting to see where he lands. I suspect he'll have multiple suitors and his choice may provide some insight into his motivations.

opqr2019
Not ideal. But given the coaching transition and large graduating class, some turnover is not surprising, even if it would not have been entirely expected based on recent trends. Will be interesting to see where he lands. I suspect he'll have multiple suitors and his choice may provide some insight into his motivations.

Yeah, not ideal, not so wildly unexpected to see, and not the end of the world, or the Program.

I suspect recruiting will be different anyway. Time will tell.

More proof in the decline of the Ivy League degree.

Could be any number of things. Bad news of course, but we'll survive.

I can't imagine he'll transfer to another ECAC school. I'd have to think he gets picked up by a team in another conference--likely HEA, Big10, or maybe even NCHC.

[www.cornellsun.com]

It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

Good riddance, bearhater

imafrshmn
Good riddance, bearhater

Agreed. Good riddance to my haters, known as BearHaters. And with that…

…BearLover out.

BearLover
It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

I'll say this. If the last three years, which have had three NCAA bids, three big first round upsets over top teams, two ECAC championships, this past season's flip from "we suck" to "we're great" after everything looked hopeless, and a bunch of wins against ranked OOC teams aren't enough to bring you more happiness than pain, then you're never going to be happy unless we win a national title, and boy, that just does not sound like a pleasant way to go through life.

Given the size of our outgoing class, next year was always going to be something akin to a rebuilding year. A couple unexpected defections hurt, but we're still in better shape going forward than 10 ECAC teams and most of college hockey. Let's see what happens.

Dafatone


I'll say this. If the last three years, which have had three NCAA bids, three big first round upsets over top teams, two ECAC championships, this past season's flip from "we suck" to "we're great" after everything looked hopeless, and a bunch of wins against ranked OOC teams aren't enough to bring you more happiness than pain, then you're never going to be happy unless we win a national title, and boy, that just does not sound like a pleasant way to go through life.

Given the size of our outgoing class, next year was always going to be something akin to a rebuilding year. A couple unexpected defections hurt, but we're still in better shape going forward than 10 ECAC teams and most of college hockey. Let's see what happens.

Rebuild or reload, we have 17 returning players, 11 of which are Seniors or Juniors. All of whom have been to the NCAAs 3 years in a row. I'm excited to see who steps up and to meet the new freshman class. LGR.

edit: In the end, this team really rallied and showed up- just to end approximately where they were predicted to at the beginning of the season. One of the last 8 teams still in the mix for the championship. I couldn't be more happy for them, outside of the big one, of course. It was up and down, but in the end, we did alright. They showed grit. It's good hockey.


Poll 9/23/24

Hopefully a fully healthy Wallace and Devlin will be like adding two new guys.

BearLover
It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

I imagine I'm probably included when you envision your "haters" - in truth, I just think (i) your Chicken Little tendencies are overdeveloped and you need to calm down, and (ii) you should try to think a little harder about how you're saying what you want to say before you hit the "Post message" button. It will probably be good for you to take a little time off, but I will be the first to admit that I still find your posts entertaining even as I'm rolling my eyes at them. Be well and Go Red.

He might not even leave! (whoops reading the Sun article now. looks like his choices aren't skimping on the academics, though Denver would probably be a more hockey-centric choice)

Dafatone

BearLover
It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

I'll say this. If the last three years, which have had three NCAA bids, three big first round upsets over top teams, two ECAC championships, this past season's flip from "we suck" to "we're great" after everything looked hopeless, and a bunch of wins against ranked OOC teams aren't enough to bring you more happiness than pain, then you're never going to be happy unless we win a national title, and boy, that just does not sound like a pleasant way to go through life.

Given the size of our outgoing class, next year was always going to be something akin to a rebuilding year. A couple unexpected defections hurt, but we're still in better shape going forward than 10 ECAC teams and most of college hockey. Let's see what happens.

Totally agree with this assessment.
We had 10 new guys come in 23-24 and they performed well. We have a couple of extra spots this coming year, yes, but I have faith in the remaining guys to step up and for the incoming players to adapt well!

I’m excited to see what may come!

Dafatone

BearLover
It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

I'll say this. If the last three years, which have had three NCAA bids, three big first round upsets over top teams, two ECAC championships, this past season's flip from "we suck" to "we're great" after everything looked hopeless, and a bunch of wins against ranked OOC teams aren't enough to bring you more happiness than pain, then you're never going to be happy unless we win a national title, and boy, that just does not sound like a pleasant way to go through life.

Given the size of our outgoing class, next year was always going to be something akin to a rebuilding year. A couple unexpected defections hurt, but we're still in better shape going forward than 10 ECAC teams and most of college hockey. Let's see what happens.

Ding ding ding. And really, there's only one "defection" - Bancroft going pro isn't nearly the same discussion as Robertson entering the transfer portal, and Rayhill and Kovich aren't eligible to play year 5 for us anyway.

Que sera sera. I'm still excited for it. Already thinking up things to yell at the rink, haha.

Edit: speaking of, thoughts for making quips in next year's game day thread titles? Like, instead of, say, Cornell v Brown, Cornell v the Toilet Bowl; Cornell v Princeton -> Cornell v Paper Tigers. Stuff like that.

And yeah, if you want a national title, as I have said long ago, go cheer for Denver or some other true blue-blood team.

Just wow. Theories on entering the portal? Academics too rough or not a Casey fan? This is a tough loss, but not a total game changer after a subpar sophomore season.

BlueSky
Just wow. Theories on entering the portal? Academics too rough or not a Casey fan? This is a tough loss, but not a total game changer after a subpar sophomore season.

It’s a total game-changer IMO. I think you’re over-indexing too much on one subpar season and forgetting his incredible freshman year/junior career. He was a beast in the playoffs this year. He was going to be the second best player on next year’s team and, assuming Walsh goes pro after next year, the best player on the team in 2026-27. We are now left with 2 returning D. It was going to be up to next year’s junior class to bridge the gap between the last three amazing seasons and the incoming new blood. Losing Robertson is devastating.

As to your question why this happened, I had the same two guesses (school/doesn’t like Casey).

ugarte
He might not even leave! (whoops reading the Sun article now. looks like his choices aren't skimping on the academics, though Denver would probably be a more hockey-centric choice)

Ben Robertson was in ILR. That would not be the right choice if you wanted to live a hockey-centric, academics-lite career on the Hill.

We have two goaltenders returning: Remington Keopple and Justin Katz, but I don't believe he got playing time past the Red White game. Katz is the Johnson School. Great Quebec pedigree per Katz' bio: "... enrolled in the SC Johnson College of Business, where his cousin, Marti Fergenbaum, also graduated from."

stereax

Dafatone

BearLover
It is amazing how the events of the past ten days have completely sullied our miracle run in the ECAC playoffs and vs MSU. Maybe not to others, but to me they have. I went from being over the moon after the MSU game to being completely dejected just a few days later. OT heartbreaker to BU, eighth straight regional final loss. Best player leaves for the pros. Most important member of the team for the next two years ditches the program. And there could be more where that came from. It is crazy how one can go from the happiest they’ve EVER felt as a Cornell hockey fan, to the absolute worst* they’ve felt.

*excluding 2020 playoffs getting canceled


Shoutout to the real ones like scoop85, Jim Hyla, ugarte, Dafatone, Tom Lento who are reasonable people and carry themselves like adults even when they disagree with me.

And also shoutout to my haters, you make posting on this website so much more fun. I would never be such a prolific contributor to this forum were it not for your massive freakout towards my posts, posts which are totally innocuous and at which none would bat an eye on any other sports forum or social media. Case in point: last week I was called a terrible person for saying Schafer didn’t use the transfer portal!

Following this team for the last few days has been very upsetting, so it is time for good old BearLover to disconnect for a bit. What does that mean? Could be a month, could be a week, could be a day, could be forever. I’m putting osorojo in charge while I’m gone. If you’d like to reach out, my DMs are always open, though I do not check them. And with that…


…BearLover out.

I'll say this. If the last three years, which have had three NCAA bids, three big first round upsets over top teams, two ECAC championships, this past season's flip from "we suck" to "we're great" after everything looked hopeless, and a bunch of wins against ranked OOC teams aren't enough to bring you more happiness than pain, then you're never going to be happy unless we win a national title, and boy, that just does not sound like a pleasant way to go through life.

Given the size of our outgoing class, next year was always going to be something akin to a rebuilding year. A couple unexpected defections hurt, but we're still in better shape going forward than 10 ECAC teams and most of college hockey. Let's see what happens.

Ding ding ding. And really, there's only one "defection" - Bancroft going pro isn't nearly the same discussion as Robertson entering the transfer portal, and Rayhill and Kovich aren't eligible to play year 5 for us anyway.

Que sera sera. I'm still excited for it. Already thinking up things to yell at the rink, haha.

Edit: speaking of, thoughts for making quips in next year's game day thread titles? Like, instead of, say, Cornell v Brown, Cornell v the Toilet Bowl; Cornell v Princeton -> Cornell v Paper Tigers. Stuff like that.

And yeah, if you want a national title, as I have said long ago, go cheer for Denver or some other true blue-blood team.

Not sure I agree. When you make the final eight regularly, an occasional national title is not a crazy thought. Yale winning was crazy. Union winning was crazy. Not because they weren’t good those years, but they did not have extended success.

Rumblings that Roberson is transferring to Michigan. So depressing. Wishing him and them the worst of luck next season. Hope it’s a one-off defection and doesn’t start a trend.

BearLover
Rumblings that Roberson is transferring to Michigan. So depressing. Wishing him and them the worst of luck next season. Hope it’s a one-off defection and doesn’t start a trend.

If that's true, it makes sense, sadly.

Ben Robertson has announced his commitment to Michigan.

And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Agree with most of that except for the on par statement. Michigan hockey > Cornell hockey by far.

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Robertson was if I recall correctly the second highest scoring D in the entire USHL (the best junior league) and ranked by NHL Central Scouting. He wasn’t flying under the radar the year prior to matriculating. Maybe he was slightly under the radar at the time he committed, but that describes pretty much EVERY Cornell recruit. And yet it’s only Robertson, not Walsh or Castagna or Malinski or whoever else, who decided to ditch the program. If Robertson was happy in Ithaca but decided to ditch for money and better facilities, then we’re staring at an extremely dark future for Cornell Hockey because that same offer is on the table for EVERY good player of ours.

BearLover

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Robertson was if I recall correctly the second highest scoring D in the entire USHL (the best junior league) and ranked by NHL Central Scouting. He wasn’t flying under the radar the year prior to matriculating. Maybe he was slightly under the radar at the time he committed, but that describes pretty much EVERY Cornell recruit. And yet it’s only Robertson, not Walsh or Castagna or Malinski or whoever else, who decided to ditch the program. If Robertson was happy in Ithaca but decided to ditch for money and better facilities, then we’re staring at an extremely dark future for Cornell Hockey because that same offer is on the table for EVERY good player of ours.

always has been. i don't pretend to know robertson's circumstances or preferences. we might be in very dark times but just add it to the list, man.

ugarte

BearLover

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Robertson was if I recall correctly the second highest scoring D in the entire USHL (the best junior league) and ranked by NHL Central Scouting. He wasn’t flying under the radar the year prior to matriculating. Maybe he was slightly under the radar at the time he committed, but that describes pretty much EVERY Cornell recruit. And yet it’s only Robertson, not Walsh or Castagna or Malinski or whoever else, who decided to ditch the program. If Robertson was happy in Ithaca but decided to ditch for money and better facilities, then we’re staring at an extremely dark future for Cornell Hockey because that same offer is on the table for EVERY good player of ours.

always has been. i don't pretend to know robertson's circumstances or preferences. we might be in very dark times but just add it to the list, man.

Unless this becomes a trend, I think it’s reasonable infer this is a Robertson thing (academics, not liking the coaches, struck out with all the sorority girls), not an NIL or Big 10 thing. There are a lot of great players on Cornell who could have left anytime they wanted.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Robertson was if I recall correctly the second highest scoring D in the entire USHL (the best junior league) and ranked by NHL Central Scouting. He wasn’t flying under the radar the year prior to matriculating. Maybe he was slightly under the radar at the time he committed, but that describes pretty much EVERY Cornell recruit. And yet it’s only Robertson, not Walsh or Castagna or Malinski or whoever else, who decided to ditch the program. If Robertson was happy in Ithaca but decided to ditch for money and better facilities, then we’re staring at an extremely dark future for Cornell Hockey because that same offer is on the table for EVERY good player of ours.

always has been. i don't pretend to know robertson's circumstances or preferences. we might be in very dark times but just add it to the list, man.

Unless this becomes a trend, I think it’s reasonable infer this is a Robertson thing (academics, not liking the coaches, struck out with all the sorority girls), not an NIL or Big 10 thing. There are a lot of great players on Cornell who could have left anytime they wanted.

ok fine but you don't have to wish his dog dies because of it

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BearLover
And now it’s official. I’m honestly curious. We have had 0 decommits among the 20 or so kids who were committed at the time Casey took over. Nobody else on the team has transferred out. Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career. He was on the first D pairing, first PP unit, and alongside Rego got more TOI than anybody on the entire team. His team won back to back league championships and was one goal from the frozen four twice in his two years. He was going to one of the best schools in the world. Whatever was troubling Robertson this year about his situation, it seems unique to him. Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states. Maybe he had a bad breakup and wants to change time zones. Maybe he's just over Ithaca.

i think the "no NIL in hockey" is probably overstated. especially if B1G wants to change that. beyond that though, i'll bet the facilities kick ass and his tuition payments are gone. Virginia isn't a hockey hotbed and idk enough about the USHL to know if his performance up to the time he committed here was good enough to get much attention (42A in 61G in his last season in Waterloo is nice though). i don't think much about loyalty. it's never a two-way street in sports. if you're going to speculate that he was uniquely unhappy, i'm going to counterspeculate that he wasn't unhappy at all but got a scholarship offer to a school on par with our own (hockey and classroom) that wasn't on the table two years ago.

Robertson was if I recall correctly the second highest scoring D in the entire USHL (the best junior league) and ranked by NHL Central Scouting. He wasn’t flying under the radar the year prior to matriculating. Maybe he was slightly under the radar at the time he committed, but that describes pretty much EVERY Cornell recruit. And yet it’s only Robertson, not Walsh or Castagna or Malinski or whoever else, who decided to ditch the program. If Robertson was happy in Ithaca but decided to ditch for money and better facilities, then we’re staring at an extremely dark future for Cornell Hockey because that same offer is on the table for EVERY good player of ours.

always has been. i don't pretend to know robertson's circumstances or preferences. we might be in very dark times but just add it to the list, man.

Unless this becomes a trend, I think it’s reasonable infer this is a Robertson thing (academics, not liking the coaches, struck out with all the sorority girls), not an NIL or Big 10 thing. There are a lot of great players on Cornell who could have left anytime they wanted.

ok fine but you don't have to wish his dog dies because of it

How about poisoning his dog?

Seriously, I've had D-1 athletes tell me they never realized how much of a business D-1 sports are until they started college. Maybe for Robinson it was a business decision, pure and simple.

There’s only one way to wash off this stink. It rhymes with “gornell bacross pinning a washional quampionship.”

The fact that he's at Michigan tells me it's less about academic reasons and more about other stuff (perhaps financial aid). Maybe we find out more later or maybe we don't

BearLover
Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

Please go away with this nonsense.

If you want to play in the NHL, via NCAA Hockey, you go play at Michigan, or the like. Not that we don't make NHL players, but the shot is better from Ann Arbor. Simple.

The Rancor
If you want to play in the NHL, via NCAA Hockey, you go play at Michigan, or the like. Not that we don't make NHL players, but the shot is better from Ann Arbor. Simple.

Nope. Your causation is backwards.

The Rancor

BearLover
Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

Please go away with this nonsense.

He bailed on his school and his teammates when nobody else did.

Let's move on from this.

How about this headline in the NYT:

Canada Reschedules Political Debate That Conflicted With a Hockey Game

There's a country with the right priorities!

Snowball
Let's move on from this.

How about this headline in the NYT:

Canada Reschedules Political Debate That Conflicted With a Hockey Game

There's a country with the right priorities!

Amen!

Dafatone
There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states.

Got a chuckle out of that. Though I would point out that Michigan does not hold an advantage over New York in that regard. Must be for some other reason.

HeafDog

Dafatone
There's so much we're never going to know. Maybe he loves non-contiguous states.

Got a chuckle out of that. Though I would point out that Michigan does not hold an advantage over New York in that regard. Must be for some other reason.

I was actually talking about this recently with someone. New York also qualifies, but so does every state with an island, which is less exciting.

The Rancor

BearLover
Or maybe he is uniquely disloyal.

Please go away with this nonsense.

FYP!

Dafatone
I was actually talking about this recently with someone. New York also qualifies, but so does every state with an island, which is less exciting.

How about "non-contiguous states that look like a mitten"?

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Dafatone
I was actually talking about this recently with someone. New York also qualifies, but so does every state with an island, which is less exciting.

How about "non-contiguous states that look like a mitten"?

live look at robertson:

To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride. Who knows his family's financial situation. No one here should judge - and no one here should assume anything negative about Cornell because of it. I personally think teams like Cornell will generally be fine from this - because if you go to an Ivy, you know the financial thing going in. But if one kid/one family is enticed by that - then so be it. Maybe there are other family connections, or something, to Michigan too. I believe if the goaltending situation settles, Cornell will be near the top of the ECAC again, as usual. Stellar recruiting classes coming up. Hopefully they can dip into the CHL pipeline as well.

Fegaras, Stanley, Veilleux, Fisher has the makings of a really good D, even without Robertson.

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

I can't believe you are once again arguing with a hockey journalist about who is better informed about reputable sources.

Those articles are from August and September of last year, and the world is already much different the closer we get to the House settlement being finalized. And you're citing one vague line from a random blog that happens to have the word NIL in it - that's not a good data point.

But let's take the NYTimes article. It's well sourced and has actual data. Except you read neither Adam's post nor the article closely.

Adam said
Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently

-he said some BIG schools. He didn't say it was commonplace or that they were tossing it at the whole roster - and he clearly notes that it's the current state of play.


You also didn't read the article from the NYT closely enough. You missed two critical details in the article about the datase.


1. "There is no universal requirement for athletes to disclose how much they are being paid. Less than a third of the money that student athletes are making is publicly known, according to Opendorse." (This makes it likely that the numbers reported are lower than the reality)

2. The fine print beneath the data tables is kinda important. Looking at the searchable table by sport at the end of the article, the fine print says

Source: Opendorse. Data is based on N.I.L. transactions disclosed through or processed by Opendorse between July 1, 2021, and June 30, 2024.. Note: To be included in the calculations, players’ expected annual earnings must rank in at least the top 50 at their position. The Track/Cross Country category includes athletes in track and field.

So that $3,518 number you are quoting is trailing far behind current times; there definitely wasn't much NIL getting paid in any sport in 2021, and NIL spend seems to be increasing exponentially in the last couple years. And that's additive to the prior note about only having 1/3 the data. So it stands to argue that the numbers they are reporting are going to be significantly lower than the current reality.

You chose an out of date, partial dataset that has no relation to either reality or what Adam said. And because I 've seen you make this argument before, I'll preempt it: things are not definitionally untrue just because they haven't been published by someone yet. There are plenty of facts out there that are known to the few or the many but don't get published for a variety of reasons.

Now if only you were a man of your word and were actually bearlover out like you said you were, what, 3x already?

BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

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BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

Also, important to remember that you can make a career out of professional hockey without being in the NHL.

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BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

Also, important to remember that you can make a career out of professional hockey without being in the NHL.

The chance of having an NHL career is practically nill for almost all hockey players, TBF.

If someone gives you $100K thats great. but hardly life altering.
Once you take out the agents cut of 10-20% so 80k
Then income tax of 20k and state tax of whatever say 5k

So you net about 50K

Also a good chance its not 100K, what if its half

50k - 10K - 10k - 3k. so he nets like 25K.

The full ride thing is for real though if thats a perk

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BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell, yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

Also, important to remember that you can make a career out of professional hockey without being in the NHL.

The chance of having an NHL career is practically nill for almost all hockey players, TBF.

So bearlover says he's got basically zero chance of an NHL career. That's quite possible, but at the same time, I wonder how many on this board would have thought he could crack the Michigan lineup if we took a poll three weeks ago? I'm betting 30% or fewer. Yet Michigan clearly sees something in him.

EDIT: Question to all: Malinski is holding down a regular NHL spot these days. How many of us thought he'd get there after his freshman year - and compare/contrast memories of Malinski's frosh year vs. Robertson's. They had similar stats and are listed as about the same size. Sam listed that year @ 5'11 190, 21yo at season's end. Ben listed that year at 5'11 181 and was 19 at season's end


Think back to his freshman year - We were all marveling at his passing abilities all the time - wondering where he even saw the lanes from. This year though was definitely worse, and who knows why. Maybe he was unhappy here for some reason- be it academic, financial, athletic or unknown injuries. Maybe Casey had planned to use him next year in a different fashion than Ben liked. Or here's another reasonable angle: he's an offensive defenseman - and maybe he feels his development was held back here because of our style. And in order to develop HIS game that suits him best, he needed to go somewhere that plays a different kind of game., That's Michigan. They play a far more Uptempo style and he'll be playing with much higher end talent, plus getting in more games a year against higher caliber opposition.

It's not a guarantee of getting to the show, but it sounds like a very reasonable path to take if you believe that your best shot is to maximize your game in that mold. We haven't had a lot of guys over the years that could've played for Michigan, apart from many of our goaltenders I guess. My point being that hockey-wise, I'm never going to knock a cornell player that is offered the chance to play for Michigan instead and takes it (even if there is no monetary difference at all). Hockey-wise it's rarified air. I say that as one of the many on here who went CU undergrad and Michigan grad and spent a few years at Yost (there are at least 5 of us off the top of my head). I wouldn't expect anyone to disagree who had only seen a bunch of Michigan games on TV, but when you see the talent difference in person over 15+ games a year it's just not arguable.

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BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

Also, important to remember that you can make a career out of professional hockey without being in the NHL.

The chance of having an NHL career is practically nill for almost all hockey players, TBF.

Yes. Better comparison is to expand the numerator to any professional league, and reduce the denominator to D1.

And as for "career," maybe rescope to "just enough money to live on while figuring out what soul-devouring 9-to-5 wage slavery you want to do like the rest of us who can't even skate backwards."

BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

Look dude -- the idea that Western isn't giving NIL is also laughable. I know for a fact numerous players on their team that are. Someone floated out there that thing about Western not giving NIL, and a couple of us just literally laughed at it.

What's your definition of "commonplace"? You sure love to twist words into something that sounds more extreme than was actually said, eh?

As for why Whitelaw would transfer? Again, no one said every B10 player was getting 100,000 - never said anything remotely close to that. He's been underwhelming at Michigan, and he's going to a place where forwards become the best version of themselves. Not a shocker there. He'll probably get some NIL, but I'm sure it wasn't his main factor or relevant (or contradictory) to this discussion. Isaac Howard will probably get between 50 and 100k to return to Michigan State - but that wasn't the main factor in his decision. It was his inability to burn a year on his ELC that was the main factor. A lot goes into these things.

Listen, I don't want to be an ass here and pull rank. I come here because I love Cornell hockey, despite the fact that I run a theoretically impartial web site. But I talk to a lot of people, all the time, especially at the Frozen Four. That includes agents, two of which I spoke to yesterday. If I say something like this here, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. And I can assure you I know more than 99% of the college hockey articles out there. If it's just my opinion or guess, I'll make that clear too. My comment about Robertson WAS speculation - but reasonably informed speculation based on the prevailing atmosphere, which is that players of HIS ILK - ARE getting NIL. I don't know that for a fact with Robertson - but I said it appears highly likely.

I'm giving this information here to be helpful - not to sound like a big shot. If you don't want to believe me, so be it.

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BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

I can't believe you are once again arguing with a hockey journalist about who is better informed about reputable sources.

Those articles are from August and September of last year, and the world is already much different the closer we get to the House settlement being finalized. And you're citing one vague line from a random blog that happens to have the word NIL in it - that's not a good data point.

But let's take the NYTimes article. It's well sourced and has actual data. Except you read neither Adam's post nor the article closely.

Adam said
Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently

-he said some BIG schools. He didn't say it was commonplace or that they were tossing it at the whole roster - and he clearly notes that it's the current state of play.


You also didn't read the article from the NYT closely enough. You missed two critical details in the article about the datase.


1. "There is no universal requirement for athletes to disclose how much they are being paid. Less than a third of the money that student athletes are making is publicly known, according to Opendorse." (This makes it likely that the numbers reported are lower than the reality)

2. The fine print beneath the data tables is kinda important. Looking at the searchable table by sport at the end of the article, the fine print says

Source: Opendorse. Data is based on N.I.L. transactions disclosed through or processed by Opendorse between July 1, 2021, and June 30, 2024.. Note: To be included in the calculations, players’ expected annual earnings must rank in at least the top 50 at their position. The Track/Cross Country category includes athletes in track and field.

So that $3,518 number you are quoting is trailing far behind current times; there definitely wasn't much NIL getting paid in any sport in 2021, and NIL spend seems to be increasing exponentially in the last couple years. And that's additive to the prior note about only having 1/3 the data. So it stands to argue that the numbers they are reporting are going to be significantly lower than the current reality.

You chose an out of date, partial dataset that has no relation to either reality or what Adam said. And because I 've seen you make this argument before, I'll preempt it: things are not definitionally untrue just because they haven't been published by someone yet. There are plenty of facts out there that are known to the few or the many but don't get published for a variety of reasons.

Now if only you were a man of your word and were actually bearlover out like you said you were, what, 3x already?

“Adam said some B1G schools, not all schools”
If some B1G schools were paying 100K, that would be reflected in the data. It is mathematically impossible for the average to be as low as 3K if multiple players were making 100K.

“The dataset contains only 1/3 of players (making it likely the numbers reported are lower than reality)”
Uhh, couldn’t it just as easily be higher than reality?

“The dataset is outdated”
Yes, and I’ve mentioned this other times when I’ve referenced this article. But the FB and BB numbers are largely in line with what’s been reported recently.

“NIL seems to be increasing exponentially”
Nope. Not exponentially. And there’s absolutely no evidence this is the case in hockey or other non-revenue sports.

“The data is lacking”
Yes, it is lacking. I’ve been clear about this when I’ve referred to this article in the past. And yet, it is the ONLY data we have on this issue. We have NOTHING else to go by, other than rumors and anecdotes.

“I can't believe you are once again arguing with a hockey journalist”
Appeal to authority fallacy. Which is funny, coming from you, because I’m sure you’d be bitching and moaning about me doing the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot.

Will deal with more object-level disagreements in my reply to Adam when I have a moment.

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BearLover
Robertson has almost no chance of an NHL career.

I wasn't even considering the possibility that Jacob MacDonald or Joakim Ryan would play in the NHL based on their time at Cornell, yet both have played in the league. Maybe you wouldn't call it a career but since I don't think Cornell turns out finished products it's kind of hard to really know

Also, important to remember that you can make a career out of professional hockey without being in the NHL.

The chance of having an NHL career is practically nill for almost all hockey players, TBF.

So bearlover says he's got basically zero chance of an NHL career. That's quite possible, but at the same time, I wonder how many on this board would have thought he could crack the Michigan lineup if we took a poll three weeks ago? I'm betting 30% or fewer. Yet Michigan clearly sees something in him.

I’m sorry, but this is a grossly misinformed post. You shouldn’t be screaming at other posters about their hockey opinions if you are so out of touch.

Any person who actually follows college hockey knew, 3 weeks ago, 1 year ago, even 2 years ago, that Robertson would not only crack Michigan’s lineup but instantly be one of their top defensemen.

Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

adamw

BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

Look dude -- the idea that Western isn't giving NIL is also laughable. I know for a fact numerous players on their team that are. Someone floated out there that thing about Western not giving NIL, and a couple of us just literally laughed at it.

What's your definition of "commonplace"? You sure love to twist words into something that sounds more extreme than was actually said, eh?

As for why Whitelaw would transfer? Again, no one said every B10 player was getting 100,000 - never said anything remotely close to that. He's been underwhelming at Michigan, and he's going to a place where forwards become the best version of themselves. Not a shocker there. He'll probably get some NIL, but I'm sure it wasn't his main factor or relevant (or contradictory) to this discussion. Isaac Howard will probably get between 50 and 100k to return to Michigan State - but that wasn't the main factor in his decision. It was his inability to burn a year on his ELC that was the main factor. A lot goes into these things.

Listen, I don't want to be an ass here and pull rank. I come here because I love Cornell hockey, despite the fact that I run a theoretically impartial web site. But I talk to a lot of people, all the time, especially at the Frozen Four. That includes agents, two of which I spoke to yesterday. If I say something like this here, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. And I can assure you I know more than 99% of the college hockey articles out there. If it's just my opinion or guess, I'll make that clear too. My comment about Robertson WAS speculation - but reasonably informed speculation based on the prevailing atmosphere, which is that players of HIS ILK - ARE getting NIL. I don't know that for a fact with Robertson - but I said it appears highly likely.

I'm giving this information here to be helpful - not to sound like a big shot. If you don't want to believe me, so be it.

On Western “giving” NIL:
You’ll have to define what you mean by “giving” NIL. If you mean “some players on the team earn NIL,” which is what it seems based on the following sentences, then by that standard Cornell also gives NIL. Many athletes, even at Cornell, are making small amounts of money from NIL websites or sponsorships that they sought out individually. Which is vastly different from huge NIL collectives or NIL earnings in the five figures. So while yes, I’m certain that players on WMU earned NIL from local partnerships or jersey sales, these figures are likely so small as to not move the needle at all. Anyway, this is where the “WMU has no NIL” stuff is coming from:
[www.barstoolsports.com]

I’m not endorsing Barstool as a source. But to be fair, the hockey podcast hosts are fairly well sourced in the hockey world. I suspect NIL at WMU is extremely minimal even though it technically does exist.

On my definition of “commonplace”:
I guess my definition is that it’s common enough to have real bearing on Robertson’s situation, which is what we’re discussing here. So, is it common outside the top very few players.

On Isaac Howard “probably getting between 50k and 100k to return”:
Well, yeah, that wouldn’t shock me. He’s definitionally the best player in all of college hockey this year and going into next year he certainly will be. He’s one of the few players who COULD be getting that much NIL. But if the absolute best player is getting maybe as low as 50K, what does that mean for somebody like Robertson?

My guess: Robertson will get some NIL at Michigan. But not a ton. How much of that will be funneled to him through collectives, or was promised to him when he committed, I don’t know. I would guess he’ll earn no more than 15K. After taxes, agent percentages, etc., maybe he takes home an extra 10K. And that’s being generous, tbh. It’s also way higher than the 3.5K in the NYT piece I linked to.

BearLover

adamw

BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

Look dude -- the idea that Western isn't giving NIL is also laughable. I know for a fact numerous players on their team that are. Someone floated out there that thing about Western not giving NIL, and a couple of us just literally laughed at it.

What's your definition of "commonplace"? You sure love to twist words into something that sounds more extreme than was actually said, eh?

As for why Whitelaw would transfer? Again, no one said every B10 player was getting 100,000 - never said anything remotely close to that. He's been underwhelming at Michigan, and he's going to a place where forwards become the best version of themselves. Not a shocker there. He'll probably get some NIL, but I'm sure it wasn't his main factor or relevant (or contradictory) to this discussion. Isaac Howard will probably get between 50 and 100k to return to Michigan State - but that wasn't the main factor in his decision. It was his inability to burn a year on his ELC that was the main factor. A lot goes into these things.

Listen, I don't want to be an ass here and pull rank. I come here because I love Cornell hockey, despite the fact that I run a theoretically impartial web site. But I talk to a lot of people, all the time, especially at the Frozen Four. That includes agents, two of which I spoke to yesterday. If I say something like this here, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. And I can assure you I know more than 99% of the college hockey articles out there. If it's just my opinion or guess, I'll make that clear too. My comment about Robertson WAS speculation - but reasonably informed speculation based on the prevailing atmosphere, which is that players of HIS ILK - ARE getting NIL. I don't know that for a fact with Robertson - but I said it appears highly likely.

I'm giving this information here to be helpful - not to sound like a big shot. If you don't want to believe me, so be it.

On Western “giving” NIL:
You’ll have to define what you mean by “giving” NIL.

No he doesn't - he doesn't have to waste his time on eLynah.

marty

BearLover

adamw

BearLover

adamw
To think NIL is not involved in college hockey is really off base. Some Big Ten schools are floating upwards of $100,000/year at players - currently. It would be pretty obvious Robertson got something, plus a full ride.

The notion that $100,000 payments are remotely commonplace directly contradicts this article: [www.nytimes.com]

The chart at the end says annual NIL earnings for men’s hockey players is $3,518 among the “top 50 players at their position.”

Anecdotally, we have high draft picks like William Whitelaw transferring from Michigan to Western Michigan, which offers no NIL. We have articles like this saying BU, which recruits better than any school in the country, does not have NIL: [hockey.dailyfreepress.com]. Why would Boisvert transfer somewhere with almost no NIL if he could get $100K at Minnesota? There are top players from Big 10 schools bolting for AHL deals that pay $75K or less.

Outside of some specific cases like Snuggerud returning to Minnesota for his junior season, player movement seems largely consistent with this NYT study. If NIL matters in college hockey, the effect seems small. I have yet to see, anywhere on the internet, a single documented example of an NCAA player receiving high NIL. Can somebody point me to one?

Look dude -- the idea that Western isn't giving NIL is also laughable. I know for a fact numerous players on their team that are. Someone floated out there that thing about Western not giving NIL, and a couple of us just literally laughed at it.

What's your definition of "commonplace"? You sure love to twist words into something that sounds more extreme than was actually said, eh?

As for why Whitelaw would transfer? Again, no one said every B10 player was getting 100,000 - never said anything remotely close to that. He's been underwhelming at Michigan, and he's going to a place where forwards become the best version of themselves. Not a shocker there. He'll probably get some NIL, but I'm sure it wasn't his main factor or relevant (or contradictory) to this discussion. Isaac Howard will probably get between 50 and 100k to return to Michigan State - but that wasn't the main factor in his decision. It was his inability to burn a year on his ELC that was the main factor. A lot goes into these things.

Listen, I don't want to be an ass here and pull rank. I come here because I love Cornell hockey, despite the fact that I run a theoretically impartial web site. But I talk to a lot of people, all the time, especially at the Frozen Four. That includes agents, two of which I spoke to yesterday. If I say something like this here, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. And I can assure you I know more than 99% of the college hockey articles out there. If it's just my opinion or guess, I'll make that clear too. My comment about Robertson WAS speculation - but reasonably informed speculation based on the prevailing atmosphere, which is that players of HIS ILK - ARE getting NIL. I don't know that for a fact with Robertson - but I said it appears highly likely.

I'm giving this information here to be helpful - not to sound like a big shot. If you don't want to believe me, so be it.

On Western “giving” NIL:
You’ll have to define what you mean by “giving” NIL.

No he doesn't - he doesn't have to waste his time on eLynah.

Okay, thank you for this literal interpretation of my post which was obviously not a demand for him to do anything. Maybe you are unfamiliar with basic English expressions like “you’ll have to explain that to me later,” which, once again, is not a demand but rather a figure of speech.

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

+1

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

Wondering if we still need to have "investigative reporting" done on why the first half of the season was disappointing.

Al DeFlorio

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

Wondering if we still need to have "investigative reporting" done on why the first half of the season was disappointing.

I’d love to see that! I’m so curious what happened and if it may have led to one of our best players transferring out. But at the same time, there are lots of good reasons why no such reporting exists, as interesting as it would be. Thanks for reviving this discussion btw!

BearLover

Al DeFlorio

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

Wondering if we still need to have "investigative reporting" done on why the first half of the season was disappointing.

I’d love to see that! I’m so curious what happened and if it may have led to one of our best players transferring out. But at the same time, there are lots of good reasons why no such reporting exists, as interesting as it would be. Thanks for reviving this discussion btw!

Among many other matters, you don't comprehend sarcasm either.

Al DeFlorio

BearLover

Al DeFlorio

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

Wondering if we still need to have "investigative reporting" done on why the first half of the season was disappointing.

I’d love to see that! I’m so curious what happened and if it may have led to one of our best players transferring out. But at the same time, there are lots of good reasons why no such reporting exists, as interesting as it would be. Thanks for reviving this discussion btw!

Among many other matters, you don't comprehend sarcasm either.

There is somebody here who doesn’t comprehend sarcasm, but it isn’t me…

dag14

RichH

stereax
Anyway. I'm happy Robertson is going somewhere where he'll likely have better opportunities to show off his abilities and make it to the big leagues, and I wish him the best. Just not at Lynah

I’m old enough to remember when this was the normal, standard response to such news. Or something along the lines of “well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.” This year, we’re turning everything into a Warren Commission investigation.

My take? Well, that’s too bad. Something like this is a personal decision and I’m sure he has his reasons.

+2

BearLover

“Adam said some B1G schools, not all schools”
If some B1G schools were paying 100K, that would be reflected in the data. It is mathematically impossible for the average to be as low as 3K if multiple players were making 100K.

You still fail the ol' logic test. .

• That dataset ends as of June 2024.
• Adam said that there were some guys getting offered 100k "currently".
• if there are "offers" "currently", that implies offers being made now. It doesn't imply that those offers were being made prior to the 24-25 season. And again, that data cuts off in June of 24.

As I noted in my earlier post, they say

Data is based on N.I.L. transactions disclosed through or processed by Opendorse between July 1, 2021, and June 30, 2024..less than a third of the money that student athletes are making is publicly known .

Let's use Adam's example about Howard getting his 50-100k "to return". That would be money for 25-26, so that's not captured in that dataset. And even if it was in the timeframe, what makes you assume that he is going to enter his data into that system? He's not- I checked, he doesn't have an individual listing on the site and Michigan State isn't listed as one of the school partners.

“I can't believe you are once again arguing with a hockey journalist”
Appeal to authority fallacy. Which is funny, coming from you, because I’m sure you’d be bitching and moaning about me doing the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot.

Appeal to authority fallacy? You are laughingly tossing out a phrase that doesn't apply.

googled definition on the internet for you
The appeal to authority fallacy (also known as ad verecundiam) is a logical fallacy where a claim is accepted as true simply because it's supported by an authority figure, regardless of whether the authority is an expert on the specific topic or not. It's flawed because an authority's opinion, even if respected, doesn't necessarily make it correct.
Elaboration:
What it is:
The appeal to authority fallacy occurs when someone uses the authority of a person or institution to validate a claim, without providing any evidence or reasoning for the claim itself.
Why it's a fallacy:
While it's often logical to rely on expert opinions, blindly accepting an authority's word without examining the evidence or reasoning behind it is a fallacy.
Examples:
"Dr. Smith, a famous doctor, said this diet is healthy, so it must be true." (Even a doctor might not be an expert on nutrition)
"My favorite celebrity said this product works, so I'm going to buy it." (Celebrities are not necessarily experts in all areas)
Distinguishing legitimate appeals to authority:
A legitimate appeal to authority involves citing an expert who is qualified in the relevant field and their statement is directly related to the subject at hand.

Pretty sure my statements backing Adam's info hit the mark of the bolded portion. Long-time well-respected hockey journalist who didn't comment here for clicks or hot-takes and has been a reliable straight shooter here for a very long time. He even said very specifically that he had talked with two agents in recent days- and says that when he speculates, he makes it clear he is speculating, and otherwise he is giving a hard fact. There's no fallacy here. This isn't Bobby Kennedy spewing nonesense about vaccines without data. Adam directly relayed relevant personal interactions with those who would know best - player agents.

“NIL seems to be increasing exponentially”

bearlover
Nope. Not exponentially. And there’s absolutely no evidence this is the case in hockey or other non-revenue sports.

Wrong again. I read the actual opendorse report from last year. I took one of their data charts and added in the growth curve. Technically quadratic is best ft, not exponential, but look at the impact from this year to next due to the expected house settlement. That curve is going to stay steep. The chart is at the end of the post.


Anyone else up for joing the KKK 2.0? (aka Keyboard Karen Killers)

Another possibility is Michigan donors cutting bigger NIL checks due to missing the tourney plus MSUs rise as a top program again. Apples to oranges but look at the money they cut for the freshman QB

The one thing that makes it all hard to project is supply of money

Contracts in sports go up as revenue goes up.

NIL is going up, but there is very little revenue projection for almost all the kids being paid

How long will deep pockets throw money away?

Sure its been going on for a long time in some hidden way, but it was not so many kids and it was not for so many teams.

Some teams have more donors so they will continue to throw money around. But the number of schools that have people who want to donate multi millions year after year is short.

In the past you could throw money at a kid and get him to your school until went pro, now you never know if throwing money at a kid means you get him for one year until the next school comes along

Lots of kids are making NIL with zero value to the people footing the bill. Do we really think people are buying cars locally because of some NIL deal?

Any also some numbers are bogus. Agent have a job to make money, best way to make money is to increase the payout. Over stating the market helps drive more market.

abmarks

BearLover

“Adam said some B1G schools, not all schools”
If some B1G schools were paying 100K, that would be reflected in the data. It is mathematically impossible for the average to be as low as 3K if multiple players were making 100K.

You still fail the ol' logic test. .

• That dataset ends as of June 2024.
• Adam said that there were some guys getting offered 100k "currently".
• if there are "offers" "currently", that implies offers being made now. It doesn't imply that those offers were being made prior to the 24-25 season. And again, that data cuts off in June of 24.

As I noted in my earlier post, they say

Data is based on N.I.L. transactions disclosed through or processed by Opendorse between July 1, 2021, and June 30, 2024..less than a third of the money that student athletes are making is publicly known .

Let's use Adam's example about Howard getting his 50-100k "to return". That would be money for 25-26, so that's not captured in that dataset. And even if it was in the timeframe, what makes you assume that he is going to enter his data into that system? He's not- I checked, he doesn't have an individual listing on the site and Michigan State isn't listed as one of the school partners.

“I can't believe you are once again arguing with a hockey journalist”
Appeal to authority fallacy. Which is funny, coming from you, because I’m sure you’d be bitching and moaning about me doing the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot.

Appeal to authority fallacy? You are laughingly tossing out a phrase that doesn't apply.

googled definition on the internet for you
The appeal to authority fallacy (also known as ad verecundiam) is a logical fallacy where a claim is accepted as true simply because it's supported by an authority figure, regardless of whether the authority is an expert on the specific topic or not. It's flawed because an authority's opinion, even if respected, doesn't necessarily make it correct.
Elaboration:
What it is:
The appeal to authority fallacy occurs when someone uses the authority of a person or institution to validate a claim, without providing any evidence or reasoning for the claim itself.
Why it's a fallacy:
While it's often logical to rely on expert opinions, blindly accepting an authority's word without examining the evidence or reasoning behind it is a fallacy.
Examples:
"Dr. Smith, a famous doctor, said this diet is healthy, so it must be true." (Even a doctor might not be an expert on nutrition)
"My favorite celebrity said this product works, so I'm going to buy it." (Celebrities are not necessarily experts in all areas)
Distinguishing legitimate appeals to authority:
A legitimate appeal to authority involves citing an expert who is qualified in the relevant field and their statement is directly related to the subject at hand.

Pretty sure my statements backing Adam's info hit the mark of the bolded portion. Long-time well-respected hockey journalist who didn't comment here for clicks or hot-takes and has been a reliable straight shooter here for a very long time. He even said very specifically that he had talked with two agents in recent days- and says that when he speculates, he makes it clear he is speculating, and otherwise he is giving a hard fact. There's no fallacy here. This isn't Bobby Kennedy spewing nonesense about vaccines without data. Adam directly relayed relevant personal interactions with those who would know best - player agents.

“NIL seems to be increasing exponentially”

bearlover
Nope. Not exponentially. And there’s absolutely no evidence this is the case in hockey or other non-revenue sports.

Wrong again. I read the actual opendorse report from last year. I took one of their data charts and added in the growth curve. Technically quadratic is best ft, not exponential, but look at the impact from this year to next due to the expected house settlement. That curve is going to stay steep. The chart is at the end of the post.


Anyone else up for joing the KKK 2.0? (aka Keyboard Karen Killers)

Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest? You’re quoting things from my post out of context and claiming I was responding to something different from what I was responding to. For example, you previously argued against the 3k average NIL amount by making the point that Adam was referring to big 10 schools, not all schools. I said that this number was intended to average the dataset, and that it would be mathematically impossible for there to be 100k contracts factored in if the top 50 averaged out to 3k.

You are now responding by saying that the 3k wouldn’t capture these cases because these cases are more recent than the dataset. Yes, I know that, I acknowledged that several times. But that was clearly not what my statement was in response to.

The dataset is limited by various factors. It is still real, compiled data comprising 1/3 of NIL contracts as of one year ago, as compared to random rumors and speculations.

As to the appeal to authority fallacy, the fallacy is that you’re accepting as true the opinion of someone who himself admits he’s speculating. You are exercising no critical thinking of your own to evaluate this speculation.

And I’m not going to suffer through a stupid argument over the shape of a curve you just admitted isn’t exponential right after I said it wasn’t exponential.

Lastly, the term “keyboard Karen” has been in use for like five years now over social media. It wasn’t edgy then and it definitely isn’t now.

I personally think the most illustrative thing here is that you said few thought Roberson could make the Michigan roster. That shows to me that you haven’t actually been following these things. You’re just bullshitting, you don’t follow college hockey, you just want to yell at me because you’re obsessed for some reason.

BL,

Some one is being intentionally obtuse here, that's for sure. Belaboring minute details as a way to hammer home points, claiming "gotchas" that don't exist - these are the things that earn someone a reputation.

The only reason I chimed in was to correct the notion that NIL is playing little to no factor in college hockey. This is just factually untrue at this point. If you want to then twist the definition of "factor" to say - "well, yeah, ok, they are getting it, but it's a small amount and blah blah" ... then sure. To me, that's moving the goalposts - and really, I don't care to debate semantics in 47 posts.

So anyway - I said what I said - and if you want to now argue the significance, go for it.

The point was to say that Robertson has his reasons. I can't get into every little detail, and I don't know him well enough to know his personal situation. Again, you can nitpick and belabor until the cows come home, but the over-arching point was to defend what happened -- defend both Cornell and Robertson, really -- and to counteract these breathless "sky is falling posts." Not so much to debate you - which is a waste of time - but for the sake of others.

On the Western Michigan point -- I don't have a ton of issue with Barstool, but it's not like they're around college hockey much. They're liable to buy a line of PR fairly easily. They also may not care about the particulars, or that things may be changing by the minute. Again you nitpick me saying "giving" ... I fully realize that technically WMU is not allowed to give it - there's no need to hammer that. However, it's naive to think that the schools don't arrange it via known benefactors, even if informally. So in essence, it's no difference. When a kid picks up the phone from a coach, and is told that "we'll have this much NIL for you" - those donors are not on the call. That gets figured out later. It's a promise. And there have been college football lawsuits for promises made that weren't delivered. Not in hockey yet.

Another point is that NIL will soon not even be the point. Michigan, for example, will have $20.5 million of revenue sharing to give out. Obviously, probably less than $1 million will go to hockey - maybe $500,000 tops? Who knows. Point being that Robertson could have -- speculation -- been offered a significant chunk of THAT. NOT the NIL. Who knows. Both are now in play.

Oh. as for the "authority" part ... Look, I've been on this message board for 20+ years and schmoozed with others on here in different forums for at least a decade before that. I'm uncomfortable making any statements about myself like that. Pretty sure Trotsky dissed me in 1996 for something like that - not my first rodeo . You can probably count on one hand the times I've used that card here. It's only in the face of blow-hardy, know-it-all opinions (that are false) that I feel the need to say something. Again, take it FWIW.

"BearLover out" really had a nice ring to it. Alas.

BearLover


Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest? You’re quoting things from my post out of context and claiming I was responding to something different from what I was responding to. For example, you previously argued against the 3k average NIL amount by making the point that Adam was referring to big 10 schools, not all schools. I said that this number was intended to average the dataset, and that it would be mathematically impossible for there to be 100k contracts factored in if the top 50 averaged out to 3k.

You are now responding by saying that the 3k wouldn’t capture these cases because these cases are more recent than the dataset. Yes, I know that, I acknowledged that several times. But that was clearly not what my statement was in response to.

The dataset is limited by various factors. It is still real, compiled data comprising 1/3 of NIL contracts as of one year ago, as compared to random rumors and speculations.

As to the appeal to authority fallacy, the fallacy is that you’re accepting as true the opinion of someone who himself admits he’s speculating. You are exercising no critical thinking of your own to evaluate this speculation.

And I’m not going to suffer through a stupid argument over the shape of a curve you just admitted isn’t exponential right after I said it wasn’t exponential.

Lastly, the term “keyboard Karen” has been in use for like five years now over social media. It wasn’t edgy then and it definitely isn’t now.

I personally think the most illustrative thing here is that you said few thought Roberson could make the Michigan roster. That shows to me that you haven’t actually been following these things. You’re just bullshitting, you don’t follow college hockey, you just want to yell at me because you’re obsessed for some reason.

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Adam only said he was speculating about Robertson getting money. He was definitive about Howard and when he said he'd talked with agents and others at the frozen four. You don't read carefully.

I didn't take you out of context either. You are trying to split apart two issues that have to be put together to evaluate the CURRENT state of play. Your argument about 100k payouts not making any sense because the data said 3k is entirely specious- because Adam's report of 100k payouts was not about historical practice. FFS he said "-- currently". Noone here asked him, nor did he say or imply that this was the case in the past. And it stands to reason that it's happening now, not then, because of the House settlement. THere is so much actuon going on at the moment all over college athletics because that settlement getting finalized is already baked into decisions programs and players are making. THre was even news this week that the judge overseeing that settlement had proposed some change and the lawyers all pushed back saying we're too close to the finish line to do it because the schools and programs are already building rosters and budgeting etc as if House had already happened.


has said that there were 100k payouts happening while the data was gathered. You were the one implying that the math contravened Adam's statement, when in fact it didn't. Remember, he said "currently" as I've now told you three times.

My problem with you is that you are arguing so often in recent months, this issue included, bray about needing some reputable published source being needed to prove that the garage you are reading is in fact wrong. It's just stupid. With this, you keep defending the shit data - that probably is not at all relevant to what is going on today, nt to mention irrelevant to what Adam said, as there is zero overlap. Your like Trump in 2016 screaming "but the emails" all the time...except the garbage you're spewing is "but the irrelevant shitty data!"

p.s. I did say few here would have placed Robertson on a Michigan Roster. So far you are the only person having chimed in on that subject, and because you think it was clear he could have played there, that makes my argument wrong? One data point? Maybe you are the only one with that opinion...who knows? You want to rip me if a slew of people all chime in that they definitely knew he was michigan material prior to this, go ahead. But as the only voice at the moment, that's just a whiny punk crying out. Are you a gen Z?

abmarks

BearLover


Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest? You’re quoting things from my post out of context and claiming I was responding to something different from what I was responding to. For example, you previously argued against the 3k average NIL amount by making the point that Adam was referring to big 10 schools, not all schools. I said that this number was intended to average the dataset, and that it would be mathematically impossible for there to be 100k contracts factored in if the top 50 averaged out to 3k.

You are now responding by saying that the 3k wouldn’t capture these cases because these cases are more recent than the dataset. Yes, I know that, I acknowledged that several times. But that was clearly not what my statement was in response to.

The dataset is limited by various factors. It is still real, compiled data comprising 1/3 of NIL contracts as of one year ago, as compared to random rumors and speculations.

As to the appeal to authority fallacy, the fallacy is that you’re accepting as true the opinion of someone who himself admits he’s speculating. You are exercising no critical thinking of your own to evaluate this speculation.

And I’m not going to suffer through a stupid argument over the shape of a curve you just admitted isn’t exponential right after I said it wasn’t exponential.

Lastly, the term “keyboard Karen” has been in use for like five years now over social media. It wasn’t edgy then and it definitely isn’t now.

I personally think the most illustrative thing here is that you said few thought Roberson could make the Michigan roster. That shows to me that you haven’t actually been following these things. You’re just bullshitting, you don’t follow college hockey, you just want to yell at me because you’re obsessed for some reason.

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Adam only said he was speculating about Robertson getting money. He was definitive about Howard and when he said he'd talked with agents and others at the frozen four. You don't read carefully.

I didn't take you out of context either. You are trying to split apart two issues that have to be put together to evaluate the CURRENT state of play. Your argument about 100k payouts not making any sense because the data said 3k is entirely specious- because Adam's report of 100k payouts was not about historical practice. FFS he said "-- currently". Noone here asked him, nor did he say or imply that this was the case in the past. And it stands to reason that it's happening now, not then, because of the House settlement. THere is so much actuon going on at the moment all over college athletics because that settlement getting finalized is already baked into decisions programs and players are making. THre was even news this week that the judge overseeing that settlement had proposed some change and the lawyers all pushed back saying we're too close to the finish line to do it because the schools and programs are already building rosters and budgeting etc as if House had already happened.


has said that there were 100k payouts happening while the data was gathered. You were the one implying that the math contravened Adam's statement, when in fact it didn't. Remember, he said "currently" as I've now told you three times.

My problem with you is that you are arguing so often in recent months, this issue included, bray about needing some reputable published source being needed to prove that the garage you are reading is in fact wrong. It's just stupid. With this, you keep defending the shit data - that probably is not at all relevant to what is going on today, nt to mention irrelevant to what Adam said, as there is zero overlap. Your like Trump in 2016 screaming "but the emails" all the time...except the garbage you're spewing is "but the irrelevant shitty data!"

p.s. I did say few here would have placed Robertson on a Michigan Roster. So far you are the only person having chimed in on that subject, and because you think it was clear he could have played there, that makes my argument wrong? One data point? Maybe you are the only one with that opinion...who knows? You want to rip me if a slew of people all chime in that they definitely knew he was michigan material prior to this, go ahead. But as the only voice at the moment, that's just a whiny punk crying out. Are you a gen Z?

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was “probably” getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write “you don’t read carefully”…?

adamw
BL,

Some one is being intentionally obtuse here, that's for sure. Belaboring minute details as a way to hammer home points, claiming "gotchas" that don't exist - these are the things that earn someone a reputation.

The only reason I chimed in was to correct the notion that NIL is playing little to no factor in college hockey. This is just factually untrue at this point. If you want to then twist the definition of "factor" to say - "well, yeah, ok, they are getting it, but it's a small amount and blah blah" ... then sure. To me, that's moving the goalposts - and really, I don't care to debate semantics in 47 posts.

So anyway - I said what I said - and if you want to now argue the significance, go for it.

The point was to say that Robertson has his reasons. I can't get into every little detail, and I don't know him well enough to know his personal situation. Again, you can nitpick and belabor until the cows come home, but the over-arching point was to defend what happened -- defend both Cornell and Robertson, really -- and to counteract these breathless "sky is falling posts." Not so much to debate you - which is a waste of time - but for the sake of others.

On the Western Michigan point -- I don't have a ton of issue with Barstool, but it's not like they're around college hockey much. They're liable to buy a line of PR fairly easily. They also may not care about the particulars, or that things may be changing by the minute. Again you nitpick me saying "giving" ... I fully realize that technically WMU is not allowed to give it - there's no need to hammer that. However, it's naive to think that the schools don't arrange it via known benefactors, even if informally. So in essence, it's no difference. When a kid picks up the phone from a coach, and is told that "we'll have this much NIL for you" - those donors are not on the call. That gets figured out later. It's a promise. And there have been college football lawsuits for promises made that weren't delivered. Not in hockey yet.

Another point is that NIL will soon not even be the point. Michigan, for example, will have $20.5 million of revenue sharing to give out. Obviously, probably less than $1 million will go to hockey - maybe $500,000 tops? Who knows. Point being that Robertson could have -- speculation -- been offered a significant chunk of THAT. NOT the NIL. Who knows. Both are now in play.

Oh. as for the "authority" part ... Look, I've been on this message board for 20+ years and schmoozed with others on here in different forums for at least a decade before that. I'm uncomfortable making any statements about myself like that. Pretty sure Trotsky dissed me in 1996 for something like that - not my first rodeo . You can probably count on one hand the times I've used that card here. It's only in the face of blow-hardy, know-it-all opinions (that are false) that I feel the need to say something. Again, take it FWIW.

"BearLover out" really had a nice ring to it. Alas.

When I put quotes around “giving” I was not intending to nitpick who the NIL was coming from. I agree it’s irrelevant where it’s technically coming from. The point was that the amounts are very small. If a player is getting under 1K NIL, I think it probably rounds to zero as far as it being a factor in their decision of where to play.

Anyway, the “sky is falling” people in this case are the ones claiming we’re losing players to NIL, no?

Here’s some interesting food for thought: traditional powers like Denver, BU, NoDak, Quinnipiac, Duluth have no athletics profits to speak of. They also have fewer grads and certainly fewer rich grads than Cornell. We may be unable to offer players money like the big 10 (allegedly) can, but there’s no reason we have to be behind these other schools.

abmarks
Are you a gen Z?

As a gen Zer, I take offense to this!

BearLover

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was “probably” getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write “you don’t read carefully”…?

You should be a corporate spokesman; you've got a remarkable ability to twist the most likely meaning of someone's statement to something else. And your rhetorical flair with the repeated "stopped reading" and the like is just plain intellectually dishonest.

When Adam said he's probably getting 50.to 100, I took that as a certainty he was getting money, but an educated guess on the exact numbers. Regardless of the proper interpretation of his phrasing, I literally just paid $2 for a subscription to the Grand Forks Herald just to read this paywalled article and deliver the goods you so desire: a published, reputable source that generally corroborates Adam's info about big money NIL in hockey.


Here are selected quotes from the article out of respect to their paywall. None of this out of context - the parts I left out from the article were not NIL related and/or weren't needed to support the NIL reporting.

[www.grandforksherald.com]


Grand Forks Herald
Schlossman: The Big Ten is spending, but the NCHC keeps winning national titles

By Brad Elliott Schlossman
April 17, 2025 at 11:57 AM

• There have been concerns across college hockey that the Big Ten is on the verge of taking over with all the football money that has trickled over to hockey.
• There are underlying reasons why other schools are wary of the Big Ten and its money...The Big Ten has won a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects recently.
• Since 2019, the Big Ten has had 24 NHL first-round picks. Hockey East has had 16. The NCHC has had five — and two transferred out after a year to the Big Ten and Hockey East.
• Some Big Ten teams spent the second half of this season trying to shake down the NCHC for its best players....A few key players will head to the Big Ten. St. Cloud State second-round draft pick Colin Ralph is transferring to Michigan State. UND third-rounder Jayden Perron is going to Michigan. Omaha third-rounder Tanner Ludtke is off to Minnesota.
• Some Big Ten schools are throwing major money at top Canadian Hockey League players, who will be eligible for college hockey beginning this fall...Superstar Gavin McKenna, the projected No. 1 overall pick in 2026, is fielding massive Name, Image and Likeness offers. If he goes to college, he will likely enter next season as the Hobey Baker Award frontrunner — which is saying something considering 2025 winner Isaac Howard of Michigan State is planning to return to school.
• It's important to note the Big Ten has made big jumps in regular-season play recently with its top prospects...The NCHC had college hockey's best nonconference record five times in six years from 2014-15 through 2019-20. But the Big Ten has held the best nonconference record all four years since the pandemic.
  
  Author's Bio:
  Schlossman has covered college hockey for the Grand Forks Herald since 2005. He has been recognized by the Associated Press Sports Editors as the top beat writer for the Herald's circulation division four times and the North Dakota sportswriter of the year twice. He resides in Grand Forks. Reach him at bschlossman@gfherald.com.

While the article doesn't list numbers, it's in principle saying the exact same thing Adam was.

Convinced yet?

abmarks

BearLover

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was “probably” getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write “you don’t read carefully”…?

You should be a corporate spokesman; you've got a remarkable ability to twist the most likely meaning of someone's statement to something else. And your rhetorical flair with the repeated "stopped reading" and the like is just plain intellectually dishonest.

When Adam said he's probably getting 50.to 100, I took that as a certainty he was getting money, but an educated guess on the exact numbers. Regardless of the proper interpretation of his phrasing, I literally just paid $2 for a subscription to the Grand Forks Herald just to read this paywalled article and deliver the goods you so desire: a published, reputable source that generally corroborates Adam's info about big money NIL in hockey.


Here are selected quotes from the article out of respect to their paywall. None of this out of context - the parts I left out from the article were not NIL related and/or weren't needed to support the NIL reporting.

[www.grandforksherald.com]


Grand Forks Herald
Schlossman: The Big Ten is spending, but the NCHC keeps winning national titles

By Brad Elliott Schlossman
April 17, 2025 at 11:57 AM

• There have been concerns across college hockey that the Big Ten is on the verge of taking over with all the football money that has trickled over to hockey.
• There are underlying reasons why other schools are wary of the Big Ten and its money...The Big Ten has won a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects recently.
• Since 2019, the Big Ten has had 24 NHL first-round picks. Hockey East has had 16. The NCHC has had five — and two transferred out after a year to the Big Ten and Hockey East.
• Some Big Ten teams spent the second half of this season trying to shake down the NCHC for its best players....A few key players will head to the Big Ten. St. Cloud State second-round draft pick Colin Ralph is transferring to Michigan State. UND third-rounder Jayden Perron is going to Michigan. Omaha third-rounder Tanner Ludtke is off to Minnesota.
• Some Big Ten schools are throwing major money at top Canadian Hockey League players, who will be eligible for college hockey beginning this fall...Superstar Gavin McKenna, the projected No. 1 overall pick in 2026, is fielding massive Name, Image and Likeness offers. If he goes to college, he will likely enter next season as the Hobey Baker Award frontrunner — which is saying something considering 2025 winner Isaac Howard of Michigan State is planning to return to school.
• It's important to note the Big Ten has made big jumps in regular-season play recently with its top prospects...The NCHC had college hockey's best nonconference record five times in six years from 2014-15 through 2019-20. But the Big Ten has held the best nonconference record all four years since the pandemic.
  
  Author's Bio:
  Schlossman has covered college hockey for the Grand Forks Herald since 2005. He has been recognized by the Associated Press Sports Editors as the top beat writer for the Herald's circulation division four times and the North Dakota sportswriter of the year twice. He resides in Grand Forks. Reach him at bschlossman@gfherald.com.

While the article doesn't list numbers, it's in principle saying the exact same thing Adam was.

Convinced yet?

Convinced of what, lol? What exactly is the claim?

Also, how are they throwing tons of NIL money at Gavin Mckenna when Canadian players aren’t even eligible for NIL from US sources?

There is currently zero NIL at Denver, the most successful college hockey program: [www.nytimes.com]
Source: the coach of Denver

PS: I read everybody’s posts in totality except for yours. Yours happen to be exceptionally combative and insult-ridden and it’s not worth it for me to read them since they’re always more about attacking me than making any compelling point.

Only one emoji. You're letting the home side down.

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I’m very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can’t begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

fastforward
I wish Ben the best of luck!
I’m very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can’t begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

BearLover

fastforward
I wish Ben the best of luck!
I’m very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can’t begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

Put a wick in it and bring it to market.

marty

BearLover

fastforward
I wish Ben the best of luck!
I’m very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can’t begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

Put a wick in it and bring it to market.

IMG_5622.jpg

I bet it smells better than the stench of ditching your team!

He doesn't need my help (Adam doesn't) but ...

• Actually, BU has more undergraduates than Cornell, ditto NCAA titles and Hobeys. BU is not a safety school, certainly not in this century.
• Did you argue with your professors a lot about, say, the Oxford Comma? Did girls pick you up after that?
• Adam kinda knows what he's talking about and at some point one should feel queasy in the stomach getting topped, repeatedly, by an IC grad. (Aside: One of my classmates transferred to Ithaca and turned it into a pretty good career in TV broadcasting. IC is the right place for a lot of things.)
• It is never a bad idea to let the other guy have the last word at least, say, half the time.

BearLover

fastforward
I wish Ben the best of luck!
I’m very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can’t begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

What, are you 12 or what
Grow up
We have to listen to your drivel but can’t voice our opinion?

BL will never admit he's wrong - so again, just for everyone else ...

Mankato Assistant Coach reveals their two top recruits were paid $80-90k by a B1G school to decommit from MNSU

[www.reddit.com]

Happening all over. Also, Denver coach (who I know well) is definitely fudging a bit. The school opted in for a reason, and whether this is NIL or Revenue Share money, is going to be irrelevant soon.

Also, ignoring Bill's IC jab (I did laugh)

billhoward
Adam kinda knows what he's talking about and at some point one should feel queasy in the stomach getting topped, repeatedly, by an IC grad. (Aside: One of my classmates transferred to Ithaca and turned it into a pretty good career in TV broadcasting. IC is the right place for a lot of things.)

Add, ABC News anchor Bill Muir who earns $8 million plus. Not bad for a grad of that other school in Ithaca.

adamw
BL will never admit he's wrong - so again, just for everyone else ...

Mankato Assistant Coach reveals their two top recruits were paid $80-90k by a B1G school to decommit from MNSU

[www.reddit.com]

Happening all over. Also, Denver coach (who I know well) is definitely fudging a bit. The school opted in for a reason, and whether this is NIL or Revenue Share money, is going to be irrelevant soon.

Also, ignoring Bill's IC jab (I did laugh)

I’m very willing to be wrong, but I’m not going to believe it based on random speculation.

I previously saw this Reddit post and almost posted it, but then I looked more into it and if you listen to the podcast, it’s clear he’s referring to only one of the recruits getting money from a big 10 school (the other went to NoDak, not big 10), and it’s totally unclear what the 80-90k even means and if that includes scholarship. It sounded like sour grapes from this coach + embellishing details. In any event, the title of this Reddit post is totally wrong.

I will say: if this guy, who is a good recruit but is a 20-y/o in the USHL with less upside than most other Minn players (most of whom are putting up those numbers at age 18), is actually getting $90k in NIL, then college hockey is over. That means actual top recruits are getting much more than $90k and schools like Denver/Cornell will never come close to competing with them for recruits.

On Denver, they did opt in, but their athletic department (like the athletic departments for all other non-power 4 schools) does not turn a profit. So what does that mean for revenue sharing? Will the “revenue” being shared be less than 10K? Nodak (and I assume Q, BU, etc) did not opt in, and that is very telling. There’s no revenue to be shared…

We’ll see what happens. But interestingly, this recruit, who supposedly got “80-90k” is a worse recruit on paper than several of ours (Veilleux, DiGiulian, …) and also as good as the other recruit mentioned, who went to NoDak and is probably getting almost no money there…

It doesn’t add up. But this came directly from a coach’s mouth so it’s a very relevant piece of evidence. Hopefully there’s more of that to come so we can discern to what extent NIL actually matters in college hockey.

BearLover
On Denver, they did opt in, but their athletic department (like the athletic departments for all other non-power 4 schools) does not turn a profit.

this is not typical of your skepticism. ask art buchwald* about how institutional accounting works when they have goals beyond keeping track of where the money is.

*google it. prince akeem would want you to.

BearLover
On Denver, they did opt in, but their athletic department (like the athletic departments for all other non-power 4 schools) does not turn a profit. So what does that mean for revenue sharing? Will the “revenue” being shared be less than 10K? Nodak (and I assume Q, BU, etc) did not opt in, and that is very telling. There’s no revenue to be shared…

Like I said - you'll never admit you're wrong. Ever. You've repeated this a zillion effing times - and I've told you over and over that "not opting in" -- YET (important) -- has ZERO to do with how much revenue there is to be shared. ZERO. Not only is it obvious, because there are other reasons to not opt in yet, but I've been told this straight from the horse's mouths (the ADs of those schools). But you keep coming here and friggin repeating it. So, that's why everyone thinks of you what they think of you.

The big schools are throwing around money - and that includes North Dakota and BU, and all the Big Ten, and will include Denver too. I don't know what else to tell you at this point.

George64

billhoward
Adam kinda knows what he's talking about and at some point one should feel queasy in the stomach getting topped, repeatedly, by an IC grad. (Aside: One of my classmates transferred to Ithaca and turned it into a pretty good career in TV broadcasting. IC is the right place for a lot of things.)

Add, ABC News anchor Bill Muir who earns $8 million plus. Not bad for a grad of that other school in Ithaca.

Bob Iger also a grad - Muir's employer - I could go on. Alas, not I.

It's David Muir by the way - he was a twerpy freshman when I was a senior. He looked up to me then. I taught him everything he knows.

adamw

BearLover
On Denver, they did opt in, but their athletic department (like the athletic departments for all other non-power 4 schools) does not turn a profit. So what does that mean for revenue sharing? Will the “revenue” being shared be less than 10K? Nodak (and I assume Q, BU, etc) did not opt in, and that is very telling. There’s no revenue to be shared…

Like I said - you'll never admit you're wrong. Ever. You've repeated this a zillion effing times - and I've told you over and over that "not opting in" -- YET (important) -- has ZERO to do with how much revenue there is to be shared. ZERO. Not only is it obvious, because there are other reasons to not opt in yet, but I've been told this straight from the horse's mouths (the ADs of those schools). But you keep coming here and friggin repeating it. So, that's why everyone thinks of you what they think of you.

The big schools are throwing around money - and that includes North Dakota and BU, and all the Big Ten, and will include Denver too. I don't know what else to tell you at this point.

I’m wrong all the time and I will happily admit it. For example, a couple weeks ago I made the point that Cornell may even benefit from the current NCAA environment because their players never transfer out and rarely sign pro deals early. Well, turns out my premises were flawed, so my post was stupid.

On the other hand, that reason I won’t “admit that I’m wrong” on teams opting into the House settlement is because your argument makes no sense! That’s just my opinion, obviously, but I won’t admit I’m wrong because I don’t think I’m wrong! Let me spell this out again:

A team, let’s say North Dakota (ND), is faced with the decision whether to opt into the House settlement. Opting in entails certain benefits: (1) the ability to share revenues with players and (2) the ability to award scholarships above the existing 18-scholly limit.

Opting in also has a cost: roster sizes cannot go above 26.

Let’s denote the benefits as B and the costs as C.

ND will opt into the settlement if B>C.

ND did not opt into the settlement because B<C. In ND’s view, the cost of limiting the roster to 26 players did not trump the benefits of revenue sharing or additional scholarships.

If revenue sharing were a large enough benefit, B>C and then they would opt in. But they didn't opt in, because revenue sharing is not a substantial enough benefit to counteract the cost.

It’s interesting Denver did opt in, despite what sounded like serious hesitation on the part of their AD on your podcast (which I did listen to).

Let’s see what other schools do in the future. My point on this issue remains the same: outside of the power 4 schools, these athletic depts break even at best, and there seems to be little if any revenue to be shared. I think the fact ND didn’t opt in is very revealing, given they run probably the biggest revenue generating hockey program in the NCAA.

We’ll see how things change in the future. LGR

The Athletic
“Carle says they don’t pay players. He can see the value in NIL — if done right — so they’re considering it for the future.”

CJ Kirst probably makes a lot of money from NIL (or he could if he wanted). That doesn’t mean Cornell is paying it or facilitates it. Probably the same for Buium and other stars at Denver.

I feel like we're a year or two away from having the CHN joke article "what if college hockey had a trade deadline?" become reality. Eventually a new structure will form but this is an absolute mess.

adamw
BL will never admit he's wrong - so again, just for everyone else ...

Mankato Assistant Coach reveals their two top recruits were paid $80-90k by a B1G school to decommit from MNSU

[www.reddit.com]

Happening all over. Also, Denver coach (who I know well) is definitely fudging a bit. The school opted in for a reason, and whether this is NIL or Revenue Share money, is going to be irrelevant soon.

Also, ignoring Bill's IC jab (I did laugh)

For some perspective, that's more than the annual salary of a lot of Americans. Yikes

Iceberg

adamw
BL will never admit he's wrong - so again, just for everyone else ...

Mankato Assistant Coach reveals their two top recruits were paid $80-90k by a B1G school to decommit from MNSU

[www.reddit.com]

Happening all over. Also, Denver coach (who I know well) is definitely fudging a bit. The school opted in for a reason, and whether this is NIL or Revenue Share money, is going to be irrelevant soon.

Also, ignoring Bill's IC jab (I did laugh)

For some perspective, that's more than the annual salary of a lot of Americans. Yikes

He is also more “skilled” than most Americans.