2024-25 Players Graduating

FFJOL!!
So glad to see this along with all the others!!

stereax

The Rancor

Snowball

arugula
Surprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous political climate, if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

The World Championships start in 5 weeks. The roster doesn't seem to be out yet: [www.iihf.com] but that often depends on which AHL and NHL teams have been eliminated from the playoffs by the time of the tournament.

stereax
Only Penney and Psenicka remain.

I have to imagine both will be landing somewhere soon

jtwcornell91

stereax

The Rancor

Snowball

arugula
Surprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous political climate, if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

The World Championships start in 5 weeks. The roster doesn't seem to be out yet: [www.iihf.com] but that often depends on which AHL and NHL teams have been eliminated from the playoffs by the time of the tournament.

Are we seriously saying Psenicka on the Worlds team. I love him but no, guys. If that happens I will cry tears of joy, but it's not.

Correct.

stereax

Swampy

stereax

The Rancor

Snowball

arugula
Surprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous political climate, if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

And the Canadian tax rates and price levels. And the fact that he'd be spending significant time in the US anyway. If he is upset enough with the American political climate that he doesn't want to stay here (which is quite unlikely - hockey players skew conservative, and those that don't won't often "make a stand" like that, especially leaving significant money on the table), he would most likely go back to Czechia. That being said, even if the end goal is Czechia, he'd likely be better-served playing in the American minors for a year or few anyway to have a body of work at the pro level that will get him a large ("star" level) contract in Europe. Right now, he doesn't have that.

I understood the reference to

The Rancor
the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa.

to imply that he's in danger of having his student visa revoked and finding himself "disappeared" to Gitmo, El Slaveador, or some place worse. If he joined a Canadian NHL team, he could get a Canadian visa and not have to deal with Washington's anti-immigrant ideology. As for Canadian tax rates, he'd get health care, childcare benefits, and other things paid with taxes. Regarding price levels, it would depend on where he's located. ChatGPT gives the following costs of living:

• If New York City = 100:
• Toronto ~75-80
• Vancouver ~85-90
• Montreal ~65
• Mid-sized U.S. cities ~50-70

Swampy

stereax

Swampy

stereax

The Rancor

Snowball

arugula
Surprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous political climate, if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

And the Canadian tax rates and price levels. And the fact that he'd be spending significant time in the US anyway. If he is upset enough with the American political climate that he doesn't want to stay here (which is quite unlikely - hockey players skew conservative, and those that don't won't often "make a stand" like that, especially leaving significant money on the table), he would most likely go back to Czechia. That being said, even if the end goal is Czechia, he'd likely be better-served playing in the American minors for a year or few anyway to have a body of work at the pro level that will get him a large ("star" level) contract in Europe. Right now, he doesn't have that.

I understood the reference to

The Rancor
the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa.

to imply that he's in danger of having his student visa revoked and finding himself "disappeared" to Gitmo, El Slaveador, or some place worse. If he joined a Canadian NHL team, he could get a Canadian visa and not have to deal with Washington's anti-immigrant ideology. As for Canadian tax rates, he'd get health care, childcare benefits, and other things paid with taxes. Regarding price levels, it would depend on where he's located. ChatGPT gives the following costs of living:

• If New York City = 100:
• Toronto ~75-80
• Vancouver ~85-90
• Montreal ~65
• Mid-sized U.S. cities ~50-70

Correct. Him being here on a student visa might be a complication to get a work visa in the current political environment. I don't know that he's in danger of being gitmo'ed but who the hell knows anymore. Everyone I know that has any status other than the blue passport is worried about crossing in or out of the US right now. I'm guessing the NHL/AHL/ECHL has a special visa hotline? Or did that get cut too?

Multiple things can be true. Our alumni having success in the pros is good for the program. That’s why they have all those pictures of alumni in NHL and Olympic jerseys in the hallway. All schools do this and it does impact recruiting. That being said, Bancroft leaving makes next year’s team worse. Undoubtedly true. Bearlover is within his rights to say “aww shucks that’s too bad” as it relates to the chances of next year’s success. But we can also hope that now that Dalton has made his decision, he goes on to a long and prosperous career which gets Cornell Hockey positive recognition as a good place for players to develop and hopefully helps get us the next productive player. And on and on she goes.

CU2007
Multiple things can be true. Our alumni having success in the pros is good for the program. That’s why they have all those pictures of alumni in NHL and Olympic jerseys in the hallway. All schools do this and it does impact recruiting. That being said, Bancroft leaving makes next year’s team worse. Undoubtedly true. Bearlover is within his rights to say “aww shucks that’s too bad” as it relates to the chances of next year’s success. But we can also hope that now that Dalton has made his decision, he goes on to a long and prosperous career which gets Cornell Hockey positive recognition as a good place for players to develop and hopefully helps get us the next productive player. And on and on she goes.

Nicely stated

BearLover

Snowball
Bearlover,

I think that your negative comment about Bancroft was probably made impulsively and a bit irrationally. For his or his parents' sake, would you consider editing it or deleting it entirely?

He's given so much to Cornell hockey: been a super-valuable and exciting team player with a real zest for the game. Personally, I'll never forget his hat trick at MSG.

I'm sure you wish him the very best at the Bruins, as we all do.

Umm, does Dalton or his family read this forum? Should we not be criticizing players here? A lot of people other than me were very critical of various parts of the team this year. I’ll delete my post if you feel strongly about it. But for the record, I stand by what I said. Joe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard’s best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I’m sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he’d rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn’t make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it’s a shame he didn’t.

Miller is 22. Thus the difference. Also, far from their best player this year. If you can't see the difference, then can't help you, per usual. You also have zero idea whether he had a deal on the table.

Robertson's in the transfer portal.

FUCK.

Ouch, losing 12 players is not good at all

stereax
Robertson's in the transfer portal.

FUCK.

What the fuck? Where did that come from?

arugula

stereax
Robertson's in the transfer portal.

FUCK.

What the fuck? Where did that come from?

probably from being very good and young and teams backchanneling interest

What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

Live look at the inside of Myron Taylor Hall right now.

Guess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

BearLover
What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

ugarte

BearLover
What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There’s almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

BearLover
Guess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

Yup, every single one of those boys who didn't give it their all must really feel that egg on their faces.

Beeeej

BearLover
Guess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

Yup, every single one of those boys who didn't give it their all must really feel that egg on their faces.

I didn’t say that, obviously, but you already know that.

A meme in these trying times?

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

Beeeej

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

scoop85

Beeeej

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

Dafatone

scoop85

Beeeej

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There’s almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

I'm pretty sure NIL is a bigger thing than you realize. I have a friend who has two baseball-playing sons and is familiar with BIG Ten baseball and NIL - and there's decent (100K ish) money out there for better players. Also, many high school baseball draft choices that used to turn pro are now going to college so they can make more money than in the low minor leagues. I suspect if it's true for baseball. it's true for hockey.

jkahn

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There’s almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

I'm pretty sure NIL is a bigger thing than you realize. I have a friend who has two baseball-playing sons and is familiar with BIG Ten baseball and NIL - and there's decent (100K ish) money out there for better players. Also, many high school baseball draft choices that used to turn pro are now going to college so they can make more money than in the low minor leagues. I suspect if it's true for baseball. it's true for hockey.

[www.nytimes.com]

This article suggests NIL for hockey is negligible. Not negligible for the top baseball players, though.

I’d be very surprised if Robertson left for NIL. I don’t know if it will become a big player in college hockey. It doesn’t appear to be at the moment. If it does become a big player, Cornell will have to adapt with its own NIL fund, or it will die.

stereax

Dafatone

scoop85

Beeeej

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

It's got to be far more challenging staying focused as a student these days with all the distractions. When I was in LS in the mid-80's my primary distraction was on football Sundays hanging out at the guard desk in the lobby of the law school building watching whatever NFL game was on the guard's tiny TV on his desk. I have no idea how I would stay on task in today's environment given the choice between reading case books and obsessively checking Elynah, Fanlax, etc.

scoop85

stereax

Dafatone

scoop85

Beeeej

scoop85

stereax

scoop85

stereax
A meme in these trying times?

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro?

During my lunch break, actually Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro?

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

It's got to be far more challenging staying focused as a student these days with all the distractions. When I was in LS in the mid-80's my primary distraction was on football Sundays hanging out at the guard desk in the lobby of the law school building watching whatever NFL game was on the guard's tiny TV on his desk. I have no idea how I would stay on task in today's environment given the choice between reading case books and obsessively checking Elynah, Fanlax, etc.

It's not easy. But all the other students are similarly distracted, too.

a little bit of NIL and a scholie is still pretty good money.

A Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don’t really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

Big Dingus
A Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don’t really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You’d know this is not true at all if you’ve ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

BearLover

Big Dingus
A Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don’t really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You’d know this is not true at all if you’ve ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

Look at the trends and where they are going. Matters much less.

Look at investment banks for example, hire way more people from state schools now.

Big Dingus

BearLover

Big Dingus
A Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don’t really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You’d know this is not true at all if you’ve ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

Look at the trends and where they are going. Matters much less.

Look at investment banks for example, hire way more people from state schools now.

No they don’t. If Robertson is a decent student he’s practically guaranteed a high paying white collar job with a Cornell degree, whereas he’s zero percent to get one with a Michigan State degree (to use your example). Look at where Cornell hockey grads are working and you’ll see it’s an utterly different universe compared to grads of lesser academic schools.

I don’t think it’s crazy to be very concerned at this point. Losing your coach and 12 players is the type of thing that can be detrimental to a program’s long term prospects, not just our competitiveness for the next couple years. Especially for a team like us that doesn’t get high end draft picks and talent, culture is key and that can be lost when you lose your coach and half your team. Don’t get me wrong, I’m hopeful that we can get past this and even be competitive for the ECAC next year but this is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Concern about next season: absolutely. We are going to struggle replacing so much talent, and though we knew that was coming Bancroft and Robertson now add another two key slots. We may be looking at a couple seasons in 8th.

Concern about immediate recruiting: maybe. It is an enormous coaching change and you know Rand et al. are out there pouring poison into the ears of every parent that Cornell has lost its main asset.

Concern about the tarnishing of the Ivies: pfft. Yes, a bunch of asshats hate the Ivies because of political dementia, but their kids were never getting in anyway. Admission standards taketh but they also giveth. God bless gatekeeping.

Concern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero. We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club. Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine. Plutocracy works for us.

chimpfood
this is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I’m still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that’s to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It’s amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Trotsky
Concern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero. We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club. Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine. Plutocracy works for us.

Huh? What are you even saying here? Where’s the NIL collective if the rich LI dipshits are down to spend so much money on the program?

BearLover

chimpfood
this is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I’m still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that’s to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It’s amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Yeah what is he looking for? Where does he think he’s going to have it better than at Cornell?

ER

BearLover

chimpfood
this is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I’m still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that’s to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It’s amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Yeah what is he looking for? Where does he think he’s going to have it better than at Cornell?

It could be all sorts of things. Maybe he needs more sunlight or wants to be closer to home or who knows what else.

It might not be a purely hockey decision.

I know the exodus is depressing right now. Transitions suck, and this year is a big transition for the program.

But there's also reason for hope. Here's how Clarkson and Cornell finished in the ECAC standings during the 13 years Casey was head coach at Clarkson:

Year Clkson Cornell Cornell +/-
2024 5 2 3
2023 6 3 3
2022 2 4 -2
2021 2
2020 2 1 1
2019 3 1 2
2018 3 1 2
2017 6 3 3
2016 5 7 -2
2015 8 7 1
2014 5 4 1
2013 9 10 -1
2012 7 2 5
Total: 16
Per Year:1.33

So, if Casey gets the same performance out of Cornell that he did out of Clarkson, we'll be, on average, one or two places below where Schafer would have had us.

Do we really think that Casey can do no better in Ithaca than he did in Potsdam, with all the resources, traditions, and support that he'll have at his disposal at Cornell?

Casey's got a bigger hill to climb than Schafe did with all the changes college sports are going through. Maybe the program declines because of outside forces, rather than internal effort. Maybe the current exodus puts us in a hole that we can't climb out of.

Or maybe the exodus means that we have fewer players lamenting the end of the "glory days" of the Schafer program and more players who come in, excited that, even as freshmen, they are going to have lots of opportunity to contribute, and all get so much ice time together, that by the time they become seniors, they are going to be such a well-oiled machine that the exceed all expectations.

And maybe not. But with no expectations, every win is going to be awesome. I'm looking forward to that.

BearLover

Trotsky
Concern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero. We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club. Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine. Plutocracy works for us.

Huh? What are you even saying here? Where’s the NIL collective if the rich LI dipshits are down to spend so much money on the program?

Still wondering about this. Is Trotsky starting an NIL collective?

BearLover

Joe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard’s best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I’m sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he’d rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn’t make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it’s a shame he didn’t.

I think Bancroft had a better chance of sticking around for his senior year if he had previously been drafted. There have been many guys who return for their senior year at Harvard so that their NHL rights lapse and they become free agents.

Kyler Kovich landed at Minnesota-Duluth. [www.northernnewsnow.com]

Weder
Kyler Kovich landed at Minnesota-Duluth. [www.northernnewsnow.com]

Best of luck to him!

Still no news on Rayhill, Penney, Psenicka?

Bancroft released from ATO; sounds like he's going to finish the school year at Cornell and then head out to play pro.

stereax
Bancroft released from ATO; sounds like he's going to finish the school year at Cornell and then head out to play pro.

Good for him on both accounts!
Good luck to him as well!

I'm guessing the Bruins sent a bunch of guys down and he wasn't going to play in the postseason? That's a unique path to take