NCAAs quarterfinal Cornell vs. BU

Scersk '97

Trotsky
We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born.

I came in on the very end of hockey-l, and boy was it glorious. Because it was full of posters who were knowledgeable, passionate, and, generally, cordial. And it was national in scope.

Hockey-L does actually still exist, but there's very little traffic (although Bill Fenwick is still doing his pick the tourneys contest). They've also got a Facebook group (because that's how old we are) nominally to coordinate the meetup at the Frozen Four.

BearLover
this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.

This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.

Chris '03

I've mostly stayed out of this never-ending nonsense but I'm tired of it.

This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.

Many of the long time posters here go back to the beginning of elf and the chdf before that and also know each other offline. For many, the common thread is Cornell hockey. In 2002, I went from dag14's class on the ag quad to Columbus to watch the season opener (with turkeybone and Josh 99). On the drive I passed Jim Hyla. Scersk97 was at the game. I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones. I met ugarte at a lax playoff game with richh. Dbilmes is a fixture at games in CT. I watched plenty of games with ER when we were in school at the same time. The list goes on.

Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.

For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.

Thank you for this, I’ve been feeling exactly the same way but couldn’t articulate it. I thought about abandoning my readership here because of the escalating negative tone this season, but for reasons I won’t get into decided to get back to posting instead.

Whether or not I disengage and go back to mainly lurking again next season, I hope eLF will be back to the substitute for getting a beverage after the game, enjoying each other’s company, and, yes, bickering good-naturedly on occasion. I always felt that was the main vibe of this forum, even in the down years (which were never long-lived under Schafer - his worst run was 4 mediocre seasons in a row!).

Jim Hyla

BearLover

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BearLover

And so I don’t really care to celebrate our run and Schafer’s career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.

Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy

Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn’t been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?

Also, why do you even care what I think? I’m just expressing my own opinion, I’m not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.

After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.

And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.

But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.

You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.

Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.

For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.

I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.

Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.

If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.

I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.

Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.

This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.

Thank you for this!
Perhaps my prior articulation didn’t get my point across, but this is exactly how I feel.
I feel honored to be a fan and ticket holder!

jtwcornell91

BearLover
this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.

This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.

That’s right yeah. But I still got to see a lot of depressingly close calls. I matriculated in the fall of 2008 and when I got to Cornell the team was very good. In my four years as a student we made the NCAAs three times and the regional final twice. That means I was there for Bemidji, as well as for Ferris State. The one thing that truly tormented me as a student was watching us getting blown out by Yale over and over, and in fact many ELF posters’ distaste for me stems from this original point of disagreement back in 2013. I was exhausted seeing us always lose to Yale and argued loudly that we should not be cheering for them to win the national title. That led to all the bickering over whether a stronger or weaker ECAC benefits Cornell. From that point forward few here have liked me and most have taken a very combative tone towards me. Which is fine, I have fun arguing over the internet. But that’s kind of the Everybody Hates BearLover origin story.

BTW, in the past decade I think my stance on weak vs. strong ECAC has held up very well, though people still resent me for my stance. At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one. But that’s kind of it the gist, it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.

This:

Chris '03

Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.

For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us.

I've never attended a Cornell hockey game as "a fan" per se -- however, it should be painfully obvious that I care for the program, and want it to win, as much as anyone, despite graduating from the ghetto school on the other hill. One of the reasons I came to embrace Cornell hockey so deeply is all of the people I met and became friends with along the way. Probably at least 50% of the regular posters here over the years I've met and conversed with, and/or had a beer or two with, personally. And then some, in many cases.

Probably the biggest reason I feel bad today is not for my self-interest - but because I was looking forward to seeing many people again in St. Louis that I hadn't seen for a while. That includes coaches, administrators, all of the people who frequent here, or used to, etc... You know who you are. My time at Lynah or MSG or Lake Placid has become non-existent since moving to Denver in 2021, and making Regionals has always been difficult.

Through my work, I'm pretty close with many coaches and ADs throughout the country, all the teams. But this is the only forum I ever comment on. Otherwise, I just write articles that get me trashed by every fan base in the country at some point or another. BearLover, you've got nothing on those people, I promise

Point is - keep this place great. It's the only place I "see" any of you anymore. Cheers.

jtwcornell91

BearLover
this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.

This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.

with better teams. The 2005 team was on like an 18-game unbeaten streak going into the game - and had to play it on the road, on a large ice sheet, and still lost just 2-1 in OT. The next year, also hostile crowd, losing 1-0. In fact, I believe JTW that you were the one who informed me of the loss -- I was on the phone with you while driving back from the Regional in Albany, hoping for good news. There was no other way to know then - so you were watching on TV and giving me play-by-play while I drove home. Bah.

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
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George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

BearLover
it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.

Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.

cu155

BearLover
it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.

Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.

Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

BearLover

cu155

BearLover
it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.

Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.

Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.

I hope you find peace.

cu155

BearLover

cu155

BearLover
it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.

Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.

Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.

I hope you find peace.

Thank you! Same to you my friend.

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.

Thought the exact same thing. But then again I’m sure MSU was eyeing up BU when field was announced.

Tom Lento

Chris '03

I've mostly stayed out of this never-ending nonsense but I'm tired of it.

This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.

Many of the long time posters here go back to the beginning of elf and the chdf before that and also know each other offline. For many, the common thread is Cornell hockey. In 2002, I went from dag14's class on the ag quad to Columbus to watch the season opener (with turkeybone and Josh 99). On the drive I passed Jim Hyla. Scersk97 was at the game. I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones. I met ugarte at a lax playoff game with richh. Dbilmes is a fixture at games in CT. I watched plenty of games with ER when we were in school at the same time. The list goes on.

Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.

For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.

Thank you for this, I’ve been feeling exactly the same way but couldn’t articulate it. I thought about abandoning my readership here because of the escalating negative tone this season, but for reasons I won’t get into decided to get back to posting instead.

Whether or not I disengage and go back to mainly lurking again next season, I hope eLF will be back to the substitute for getting a beverage after the game, enjoying each other’s company, and, yes, bickering good-naturedly on occasion. I always felt that was the main vibe of this forum, even in the down years (which were never long-lived under Schafer - his worst run was 4 mediocre seasons in a row!).

Those must have been the exact four years I was in school. They weren’t great. I certainly don’t remember any ecac titles.

Al DeFlorio

George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

Trotsky gets it very, unexplainably wrong. How in the world could we have seen 1970, say nothing of 67 if we were born after 56.

I know we oldies were awfully smart, but Cornell didn't take us when we were 10.

And Don Birkmayer's mimeographed (You youngsters go look that one up) report was called "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter."

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

BearLover

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.

Jim Hyla

BearLover

fastforward

BearLover

And so I don’t really care to celebrate our run and Schafer’s career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.

Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy

Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn’t been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?

Also, why do you even care what I think? I’m just expressing my own opinion, I’m not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.

After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.

And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.

But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.

You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.

Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.

For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.

I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.

Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.

If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.

I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.

Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.

This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.

+ 2.5 (hours)

toddlose

BearLover

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.

Ps-I’ve been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.

I’m assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.

toddlose

toddlose

BearLover

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.

Ps-I’ve been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.

I’m assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.

I’ll be all in on WMU. They’ll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.

scoop85

toddlose

toddlose

BearLover

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.

Ps-I’ve been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.

I’m assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.

I’ll be all in on WMU. They’ll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.

Personally, I mostly just don’t want to root for our rivals or the team that knocked us out. Not really a fan of Denver but they’ve won enough lately that they probably wouldn’t even care too much if they won another one. I’d rank the remaining teams WMU, Denver, Penn State, BU, but most of all I really don’t want BU to win it.

Dafatone
I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.

Well, at least (I hope for your sake) you're not also a Jets fan!

Swampy

Dafatone
I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.

Well, at least (I hope for your sake) you're not also a Jets fan!

I actually picked the rest of my teams based on who was good when I was 5, so I'm an insufferable Niners Bulls Pens fan on those fronts.

Mets make up for it, though.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.

memories of being relieved that we got bemidji. one of the few second round games where iirc we got dogwalked.

ugarte

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.

memories of being relieved that we got bemidji. one of the few second round games where iirc we got dogwalked.

That was the first thing I thought of, too.

Al DeFlorio

George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

Yeah, just the opposite.

And from our perspective, we won't return to our former glory until and unless: (a) Casey coaches both men's lacrosse and men's ice hockey to undefeated seasons and therefore NC's, or (b) Connor Buczek coaches both men's hockey and men's lacrosse to NC's. (Back in the day, you couldn't win an NC in lacrosse even if you went undefeated, unless your school was in greater Baltimore. But back then, coaches were real men who could go undefeated in both sports.) In the meantime, those of us who remember the good old days, and expect no less now, will have to feel the repeated utter pain of losing at least one game every year in one of these two signature sports.

Jim Hyla

Al DeFlorio

George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

Trotsky gets it very, unexplainably wrong. How in the world could we have seen 1970, say nothing of 67 if we were born after 56.

I know we oldies were awfully smart, but Cornell didn't take us when we were 10.

And Don Birkmayer's mimeographed (You youngsters go look that one up) report was called "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter."

Well... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.

BearLover
... this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.

BearLover, your aspirations and expectations are not realistic. Consider this.

Richie Moran coached Cornell lacrosse for 29 seasons, during which he won NC's in 1971, 1976, and 1977; lost title games in 1978, 1987, and 1988; and won 15 Ivy championships, including 10 straight from 1974 to 1983. Yet notice that after winning an NC in 1977, he never again won an NC during the ensuing 20 years. He was a great coach with great teams, yet he repeatedly experienced "devastating" losses. And even then, when he won NC's, it was really hard and unusual.

Al DeFlorio

George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

Ditto

Swampy

BearLover
... this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.

BearLover, your aspirations and expectations are not realistic. Consider this.

Richie Moran coached Cornell lacrosse for 29 seasons, during which he won NC's in 1971, 1976, and 1977; lost title games in 1978, 1987, and 1988; and won 15 Ivy championships, including 10 straight from 1974 to 1983. Yet notice that after winning an NC in 1977, he never again won an NC during the ensuing 20 years. He was a great coach with great teams, yet he repeatedly experienced "devastating" losses. And even then, when he won NC's, it was really hard and unusual.

Winning a national title is my aspiration, not my expectation. I get how hard it is. This program has overachieved under Schafer. That doesn’t make it any less brutal how we keep losing in the regional final. We were so close yesterday, the closest we’ve been since I became a fan. The last day has been the most painful in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan, aside from the 2020 playoffs getting canceled.

dag14

Al DeFlorio

George64

Trotsky

We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Wrong!
.

Very.

Ditto

Add one more, assuming non-Cornell alums count.

BTW, Birkmayer, had nothing to do with "The Hockey News" which still exists but now is a magazine. His publication was "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter". I still have all of them since I think 1966, but it probably injure myself again climbing to look. Birkmayer moved to Ithaca from Troy when he retired.

scoop85

toddlose

toddlose

BearLover

toddlose

jtwcornell91

toddlose

ugarte

BearLover
At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.

*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings

What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.

They loved it on E$PN, though.

I can finally say go bu.

I am rooting for Penn state. I’m not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike’s career

Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.

Ps-I’ve been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.

I’m assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.

I’ll be all in on WMU. They’ll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.

I was surprised to learn they'd never made the Frozen Four.

So the thing about losing in the quarterfinals is that this performance--going on a run in the playoffs, pulling off two third-period upset comebacks to stay alive, and falling tantalizingly short in the regional final--would be satisfying in isolation, but it's frustrating as part of the larger picture: we could have easily won a number of those quarterfinal games, but we didn't (except when we were one of the top two teams in the country). The thing that makes it particularly sad, though, is that since it's Schafer's last season, he won't have another chance to have the outcome turn out the other way.

The rest of us will, though, so it remains a great time to be a Cornell Hockey fan.

Sad ending for Cornell in OT. We made it through the previous seven games with skill unseen at midyear, and a bit of luck.

Interesting that the final four D1 basketball teams are all 1-seeds. For hockey, the final four were seeded at:
1. Western Michigan
2. BU
3. Denver
4. Penn state
... four of the weekend's six games went to OT.

David Harding
Well... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.

I remember Laing Kennedy, Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, George Walker (at 6’2” big for his time). I went back and looked at the roster — how did we do it with one coach and dressing only 20 players?
.

George64

David Harding
Well... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.

I remember Laing Kennedy, Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, George Walker (at 6’2” big for his time). I went back and looked at the roster — how did we do it with one coach and dressing only 20 players?
.

We did it like that because many schools did that. Especially in the 50s, that's how Harkness got his Championship at RPI in 1954. He had around 15 or 16 skaters plus goalies.

Some of you RPI guys can help me out here.

Frozen Four bound: Four takeaways from a wild NCAA hockey weekend

From Fansided: The stories are endless from the start of the 2025 NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey championship. Retirements, NHL, and multiple championships, oh my!

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1. Cornell University is really good at hockey despite falling short

College hockey fans know that Cornell is a good program; the Big Red representation in the NCAA tournament is not new. Clinching a berth this year for their 27th appearance in college hockey's post-season by winning the ECAC championship, Cornell has made the Frozen Four eight times. They've won the national title twice, the most recent being 55 years ago in 1970.

They didn't make it past the Toledo regional final this year, but they stirred the pot on their way out.
Cornell upset the number one seed in their region in Michigan State in the final seconds of regulation. They then took on Boston University in the regional final, tying up the game with about five minutes remaining. The battle in overtime was won by BU's Quinn Hutson, sending the Terriers to their 25th Frozen Four appearance. It was not an easy road through the Big Red, though.

Despite ranking 17th on PairWise, Cornell was in it until the very end of each game they played in this tournament. They have playmakers on offense, big boy senior defender Hank Kempf (New York Rangers drafted, Colorado Avalanche with NHL rights) and a brick wall in net in senior Ian Shane (who had 40 saves vs. BU). They'e physical and have a forecheck that had me on the edge of my seat every time they were down in the offensive zone.

What's bittersweet here is that Cornell head coach Mike Schafer, who's been at the helm for 30 years (561-300-117 record), is hanging up the skates. He led his team to 15 NCAA tournament appearances, earning one trip to the Frozen Four in 2003. This isn't the way he likely wanted to step away, but as someone who watches a lot of hockey, I will shout from the rooftops that he should be incredibly proud of his team.

Happy trails, Schafer. You created an incredible program.

This. As a longtime fan (‘90) and a proud father of a soon to be ‘25 who covers the team (you figure it out), …. Nailed it.

Ahh, back to crying again after that article. Man. What a team.

Here's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:

CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT

It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one’s career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn’t have been happier with how hard our guys played.

The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.

Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.

At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.

We had a tough second period, and didn’t have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.

In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He’s also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.

With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O’Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.

Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan’s netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.

The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn’t have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can’t believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.

On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.

With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.

BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O’Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.

Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.

Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.

I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.

It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn’t even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

the sickness in the 2nd game was really telling on guys. they toughed it out for sure, but the energy was down in several of them

Snowball
Here's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:

CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT

It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one’s career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn’t have been happier with how hard our guys played.

The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.

Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.

At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.

We had a tough second period, and didn’t have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.

In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He’s also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.

With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O’Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.

Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan’s netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.

The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn’t have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can’t believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.

On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.

With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.

BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O’Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.

Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.

Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.

I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.

It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn’t even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

upprdeck
the sickness in the 2nd game was really telling on guys. they toughed it out for sure, but the energy was down in several of them

Who? The team looked on the whole faster and more physical than in the MSU game…

you were not watching from 10ft away then

upprdeck
you were not watching from 10ft away then

I am just asking which players you thought looked slower and low-energy

Well if you read the email you see that several should not have been playing at all and probably wouldnt had it been a reg game.

About 10 were struggling. really sucking air all game long.

upprdeck
Well if you read the email you see that several should not have been playing at all and probably wouldnt had it been a reg game.

About 10 were struggling. really sucking air all game long.

I read the email. I directly replied to it like five posts above. Since you said you noticed that multiple players were really struggling, I was asking you which ones.

I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

OK, I mean, I don’t know. I wasn’t there in person. On TV, the team played was in a 50-50 game against a far more talented lineup. They largely kept up with BU’s speed. So I was surprised to hear you thought their sickness was visibly affecting them.

i think the tv timeouts helped us

They did seem to play less physical but maybe I’m wrong

underskill
They did seem to play less physical but maybe I’m wrong

I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win

ER

underskill
They did seem to play less physical but maybe I’m wrong

I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win

I also noticed this in the MSU game. It didn’t seem specific to the BU game.

BearLover

ER

underskill
They did seem to play less physical but maybe I’m wrong

I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win

I also noticed this in the MSU game. It didn’t seem specific to the BU game.

I wasn’t at the MSU game, only the BU game.

BearLover

Snowball
Here's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:

CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT

It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one’s career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn’t have been happier with how hard our guys played.

The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.

Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.

At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.

We had a tough second period, and didn’t have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.

In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He’s also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.

With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O’Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.

Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan’s netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.

The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn’t have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can’t believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.

On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.

With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.

BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O’Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.

Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.

Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.

I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.

It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn’t even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

BearLover, as I posted on another thread, why do you again have to tell us how bad this loss was for you?

We all know it!

And why do you have to say something about Coach Schafer saying the flu bug was going thru the team. He told us something about the team that we didn't know. Was it important? Probably. I've had the flu multiple times and I can't imagine trying to play a physical game while I was recovering.

But getting back to my main point, why do you need to be negative 90% of the time. (Same disclaimer as in the other post.)

BearLover
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

abmarks

BearLover
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

Way too long; didn’t come close to reading

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

Way too long; didn’t come close to reading

The weight of truth must be so scary for you to face

abmarks

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

Way too long; didn’t come close to reading

The weight of truth must be so scary for you to face

No, it’s actually that you can’t get past the first sentence without calling me a name and it’s not interesting for me to argue with children.

To me, the most crushing loss was the Bemidji State game because we played terrible and that was a team we really should have beaten. Any OT season ending loss is crushing, especially given the situation with Schafer (and it being for a long overdue Frozen Four birth), but I find solace in the fact that we left it all out there. That’s really all you can ask for on any given day.

Were we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?

underskill
Were we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?

Two other times: 2003 (overall #1, beat BC to advance to the FF) and 2019 (Cornell and Providence both pulled first round upsets, Cornell was a 3 seed and had the white jerseys for the regional final).

Against Ferris State Cornell was a 4 seed, advancing by pulling an upset against overall #2 Michigan in the first round. Ferris lost in the finals to overall #1 BC. [en.wikipedia.org]

Tom Lento

underskill
Were we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?

Two other times: 2003 (overall #1, beat BC to advance to the FF) and 2019 (Cornell and Providence both pulled first round upsets, Cornell was a 3 seed and had the white jerseys for the regional final).

Against Ferris State Cornell was a 4 seed, advancing by pulling an upset against overall #2 Michigan in the first round. Ferris lost in the finals to overall #1 BC. [en.wikipedia.org]

Since I was looking at all this stuff, might as well put this here. Cornell's first round record features an incredible SEVEN upset wins. Cornell's first NCAA win under Schafer was in the 12-team era in 1997, with a 6 vs 3 seed upset over Miami. The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

2009, 2012, 2019, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all featured first round upset wins in the 16 team format.

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Scersk '97

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn’t actually see the game, those were radio days.

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

Scersk '97
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

stereax

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.

Trotsky

stereax

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.

Everyone was exhausted on both sides I'm sure, but what struck me was that we were looking a little undisciplined positionally. Too many guys too deep on the forecheck, too many guys all the way to the boards on defense, chasing the puck all around. Maybe we lacked the speed to recover that we had earlier in the game.

Again, only a little bit. That sounds bad but it's not like we were a mess. Just a bit off, like too many guys defending the point and then all three realizing it and skating away from the puck on the game winner.

Tom Lento

Scersk '97

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn’t actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Trotsky

stereax

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.

Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players? By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)

The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

abmarks

BearLover
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

+1

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

jtwcornell91

Tom Lento

Scersk '97

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn’t actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn’t on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

Scersk '97

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

Try this: ChatGPT | Open AI

Tom Lento

jtwcornell91

Tom Lento

Scersk '97

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn’t actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn’t on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.

jtwcornell91

Tom Lento

jtwcornell91

Tom Lento

Scersk '97

Tom Lento
The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could’ve been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn’t actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn’t on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.

Sorry, I meant JMP was the backup for the NoDak game, not that he was the guy warming up in the tunnel. I hadn’t heard that story about Skazyk!

BearLover
The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.

Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.

I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.

And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.

I suggest that you let it go.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.

What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.

You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.

That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.

I'm not you and you're not me.

That's life in the big city.

Jim Hyla

BearLover
The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.

Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.

I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.

And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.

I suggest that you let it go.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.

What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.

You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.

That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.

I'm not you and you're not me.

That's life in the big city.

Jim's right of course. But the upside is, if we continue this argument, we might get this thread up to 1000 posts!

Swampy

Scersk '97

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

Try this: ChatGPT | Open AI

Try this!

jkahn

Trotsky

stereax

upprdeck
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.

Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players? By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)

TOI at the bottom of all of our boxscores.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.

adamw
3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.

How badly TV distorts the game.

After the second intermission, it felt to me like Cole Hutson never left the ice.

In tonight’s Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole’s against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? [www.youtube.com]

Wow. What a thing of beauty. And the way he just effortlessly skated past those two defenders. Incredible.

sah67
In tonight’s Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole’s against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? [www.youtube.com]

They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.

Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.

stereax

sah67
In tonight’s Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole’s against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? [www.youtube.com]

They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.

Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.

you mean, like, hunt him down?

ugarte

stereax

sah67
In tonight’s Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole’s against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? [www.youtube.com]

They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.

Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.

you mean, like, hunt him down?

Yoink him before the Terriers remember he exists.

Cleaning up my hockey cards and there's a Lane Hutson. Hrm.

Also, damn, if we beat BU we'd be up against Penn State and then WMU. Just... dang.

THEY JUST HAD TO BRING UP THE FACEMASK PENALTY.

I think we could have won the national championship this year if a bunch of guys didn’t have the flu. Penn State was very winnable and WMU would have been hard, but no worse than 45% IMO. Sad, we were so close. Hopefully Casey has some strategies in mind to improve the program.

BearLover
I think we could have won the national championship this year if a bunch of guys didn’t have the flu. Penn State was very winnable and WMU would have been hard, but no worse than 45% IMO. Sad, we were so close. Hopefully Casey has some strategies in mind to improve the program.

I also feel we could have had we gotten refs that weren’t on the other team’s bench (aka payroll) at the BU game
The Walsh face mask penalty was completely bogus
The non call on Kraft was completely bogus
We had that game
The refs gave it away