Cornell vs Yale 03/08

Trotsky
So Yale will get a penalty for delay, right?

No, we're gonna get a penalty for you asking that question...

Just 1 SOG for Yale so far

sah67
Does Yale have a SOG in this period yet?

Per CHN, SOG in the 3rd are 15-1.

So c'mon boys, keep that last digit at 1!

Jeff Hopkins '82

toddlose

Jeff Hopkins '82
ALLAHU AKHBAR!

What can I say...I was just in Saudi.

Really?

Yep. I was on a birdwatching tour (with a pre-tour stop in Medinah). Also went to Qatar and Bahrain.

.

Wow.

And it’s on noted goon and renowned thug, Sullivan Mack. Game misconduct too.

No idea what happened, but Mack went to the locker room and we are on a 5 minute PK. Fucking hell. I'm getting 2019 Sharks flashbacks.

Jeff Hopkins '82

CU2007

Jeff Hopkins '82
ALLAHU AKHBAR!

What can I say...I was just in Saudi.

Just got the forum flagged for fbi monitoring.

I wish you were joking...but sadly, probably not.

It'll be okay. The Saudis are a fellow dictatorship.

Well, they'll pull Stark and Shane can score a goal.

toddlose

Jeff Hopkins '82

toddlose

Jeff Hopkins '82
ALLAHU AKHBAR!

What can I say...I was just in Saudi.

Really?

Yep. I was on a birdwatching tour (with a pre-tour stop in Medinah). Also went to Qatar and Bahrain.

I’m glad you are home safe.

Tnx. I felt perfectly safe the whole time. The hospitality of the Saudis we met was amazing. We were quite welcome.

Frankly, the most dangerous aspect of the trip was some of the local drivers.

Walsh draws a tripping call to unfuck us.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

CU2007

Jeff Hopkins '82
ALLAHU AKHBAR!

What can I say...I was just in Saudi.

Just got the forum flagged for fbi monitoring.

I wish you were joking...but sadly, probably not.

It'll be okay. The Saudis are a fellow dictatorship.

I could add a "Praise Jesus!" That might neutralize it.

Trotsky
Well, they'll pull Stark and Shane can score a goal.

Ian Shane hat trick please.

PSENICKA TO REGO AND GOALLLLL

stereax
Walsh draws a tripping call to unfuck us.

And Rego unfucks us even harder!

Students chanting “CHALLENGE IT’”

Rego!

"CHALLENGE IT" chants at Lynah. I love this place.

PRAISE JESUS!

That's great!

DESANTIS OUTTA THE BOX 5-1 TIME TO RUIN THE BIG GREEN'S POSTSEASON

Some light racism in this thread

I hope we charter some buses and pack Class of 1965 Arena next week.

stereax
DESANTIS OUTTA THE BOX 5-1 TIME TO RUIN THE BIG GREEN'S POSTSEASON

Except we're gonna play Colgate. I'll be glad to ruin the Big Green's season in LP, tho.

Jeff Hopkins '82

stereax
DESANTIS OUTTA THE BOX 5-1 TIME TO RUIN THE BIG GREEN'S POSTSEASON

Except we're gonna play Colgate. I'll be glad to ruin the Big Green's season in LP, tho.

Thought Trots said Dartmouth. Eh. Kick Colgate's shins in first.

stereax

Jeff Hopkins '82

stereax
DESANTIS OUTTA THE BOX 5-1 TIME TO RUIN THE BIG GREEN'S POSTSEASON

Except we're gonna play Colgate. I'll be glad to ruin the Big Green's season in LP, tho.

Thought Trots said Dartmouth. Eh. Kick Colgate's shins in first.

No, it was Union if SLU had won.

Trotsky

stereax

Jeff Hopkins '82

stereax
DESANTIS OUTTA THE BOX 5-1 TIME TO RUIN THE BIG GREEN'S POSTSEASON

Except we're gonna play Colgate. I'll be glad to ruin the Big Green's season in LP, tho.

Thought Trots said Dartmouth. Eh. Kick Colgate's shins in first.

No, it was Union if SLU had won.

Ah... my brain is fried then, ha.

Fun fact: we have never played a post-season game in Hamilton.

Trotsky
Fun fact: we have never played a post-season game in Hamilton.

First time for everything then!

An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Trotsky
Fun fact: we have never played a post-season game in Hamilton.

We get to start a new undefeated streak!

Oh, I thought someone said we were playing Dartmouth. Well, same goes for Colgate, another pretty mediocre opponent. Dartmouth grudge match would have been fun though.

BearLover
Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Probably admissions, an athletic department that doesn't care about hockey, a bad AD, or all three combined.

BearLover
Oh, I thought someone said we were playing Dartmouth. Well, same goes for Colgate, another pretty mediocre opponent. Dartmouth grudge match would have been fun though.

My mistake. Would've killed for that. Well, keep playing and winning and kick their fuckin' teeth in at Lake Placid.

And if we do ruin Dartmouth's season in LP, the most probable scenario is that we do it in the final. I can live with that.

FTR, we could meet them in the semis, but it would require three of the higher seeds to lose next weekend. So in addition to us upsetting 'Gate and Dartmouth upsetting Union, Q or Clarkson would also have to lose.

That said, let's TCOB in Hamilton, and worry about LP if we get there.

Jeff Hopkins '82
And if we do ruin Dartmouth's season in LP, the most probable scenario is that we do it in the final. I can live with that.

FTR, we could meet them in the semis, but it would require three of the higher seeds to lose next weekend. So in addition to us upsetting 'Gate and Dartmouth upsetting Union, Q or Clarkson would also have to lose.

That said, let's TCOB in Hamilton, and worry about LP if we get there.

Ding ding ding. We play, we win, that's it.

One game at a time, and the good lord willing, things will work out.

stereax

Jeff Hopkins '82
And if we do ruin Dartmouth's season in LP, the most probable scenario is that we do it in the final. I can live with that.

FTR, we could meet them in the semis, but it would require three of the higher seeds to lose next weekend. So in addition to us upsetting 'Gate and Dartmouth upsetting Union, Q or Clarkson would also have to lose.

That said, let's TCOB in Hamilton, and worry about LP if we get there.

Ding ding ding. We play, we win, that's it.

"Never lose again."

Hey stereax - thanks for the posts this season from in the rink and near the bench. Really helps us out-of-towners get a feel for the details of what's going on with the coaches and the players. Much appreciated!

Chris H82
Hey stereax - thanks for the posts this season from in the rink and near the bench. Really helps us out-of-towners get a feel for the details of what's going on with the coaches and the players. Much appreciated!

Ditto.

David Harding

Chris H82
Hey stereax - thanks for the posts this season from in the rink and near the bench. Really helps us out-of-towners get a feel for the details of what's going on with the coaches and the players. Much appreciated!

Ditto.

I try my best!!! I sit in a nice spot to listen in (and sometimes yap at the team to shoot on the powerplay...), and I've always been keenly interested in bench goings-on. [Hiding my camera roll that's bursting with pictures of Schmidt the equipment manager rehoofing players.] Usually I can't hear that well, but when I do I report it. Trust me, the guys are just as pressed as you are.

Jimmy Rayhill, rn, with a donut in his hand, walking by to a group of parents: "I'd offer you this donut, but I've been walking around with it for a while and it's covered in hand sweat..."

Also, Suda apparently wants to go to Chili's?

Schaf, walking by: "Gotta coach one more weekend..."
The crowd: "MORE THAN THAT!"
Schaf: "More than that..."

(Usually I try to head straight home post game so as not to be Perceived, but tonight the bus schedule screwed me over so I had to loiter at the rink for an extra 30 minutes, pressing myself into the corner hahaha, so enjoy the extra soundbites)

stereax
Schaf, walking by: "Gotta coach one more weekend..."
The crowd: "MORE THAN THAT!"
Schaf: "More than that..."

stereax
Schaf, walking by: "Gotta coach one more weekend..."
The crowd: "MORE THAN THAT!"
Schaf: "More than that..."

Oh, that's fucking brilliant! Well done, Faithful.

And another thanks to you, stereax, for the updates and your enthusiasm. I'm probably not going to be able to get to LP this year, so I'm gonna have to live vicariously.

stereax is not just ROTY. She's MVP.

Trotsky
One game at a time, and the good lord willing, things will work out.

Write it down...

Jeff Hopkins '82

stereax
Schaf, walking by: "Gotta coach one more weekend..."
The crowd: "MORE THAN THAT!"
Schaf: "More than that..."

Oh, that's fucking brilliant! Well done, Faithful.

And another thanks to you, stereax, for the updates and your enthusiasm. I'm probably not going to be able to get to LP this year, so I'm gonna have to live vicariously.

The IMMEDIATE response was what got me, honestly. Even though Schaf meant it as a joke, none of us would let him think we didn't expect the team to win the ECACs hahaha!

I do my best! Got two more years of law school after this, God willing, so two more years of my silly little updates. Don't think I can make it to an away game either, given said law school lol, but I'll be watching on ESPN and complaining with the group <3

...I'd make a good beat reporter, I think.

Trotsky
stereax is not just ROTY. She's MVP.

Flattery, flattery!!!

Trotsky
We may set a "No Question About It" record tonight.

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Yale got sick of us arguing about whether or not a good Yale team was good or bad for Cornell, so they decided to stop being good.

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

The Rancor

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

Iceberg

BearLover
Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Probably admissions, an athletic department that doesn't care about hockey, a bad AD, or all three combined.

When they decided to be a nepotism dumping ground for NHL All-Star’s mediocre kids.

BearLover

The Rancor

BearLover


This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

.

BearLover

The Rancor

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

Last night upset could be replaced with another word or MANY.

Pessimistic, all-knowing, tiresome, less than elated on the team's win, unaware of the randomness of the game that makes it so fascinating and frustrating at the same time and therefore worth watching and still searching for the inside scoop on what it's like to be on the team and in the locker room this year.

Unless a Jim Bouton on the team writes THE BOOK on THE GAME of the 24-25 season none of us will know that answers that you seem to think should be easy to decern. Please just enjoy the game.

marty

BearLover

The Rancor

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

Last night upset could be replaced with another word or MANY.

Pessimistic, all-knowing, tiresome, less than elated on the team's win, unaware of the randomness of the game that makes it so fascinating and frustrating at the same time and therefore worth watching and still searching for the inside scoop on what it's like to be on the team and in the locker room this year.

Unless a Jim Bouton on the team writes THE BOOK on THE GAME of the 24-25 season none of us will know that answers that you seem to think should be easy to decern. Please just enjoy the game.

+1

BearLover
Some light racism in this thread

Where? "Safe travels" is a common wish, no?

marty

BearLover

The Rancor

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

Last night upset could be replaced with another word or MANY.

Pessimistic, all-knowing, tiresome, less than elated on the team's win, unaware of the randomness of the game that makes it so fascinating and frustrating at the same time and therefore worth watching and still searching for the inside scoop on what it's like to be on the team and in the locker room this year.

Unless a Jim Bouton on the team writes THE BOOK on THE GAME of the 24-25 season none of us will know that answers that you seem to think should be easy to decern. Please just enjoy the game.

Dude, what are you talking about? We were tied with a really bad team at home in a do-or-die game in the third period!? Not good! How am I “unaware of the randomness” of hockey when I post about this topic constantly and focus on underlying stats that try to account for randomness!? You’re the one who’s tiresome and all-knowing. I was curious about why Yale has been extremely terrible for five years not long after being a dominant program, sorry if that offends! You want pessimism, check out Al Deflorio’s posts in the football game threads! Where was YOUR post celebrating the women’s league championship yesterday? Or celebrating the men’s win? They must have gotten lost amongst all your posts attacking me, which constitute a solid 95% of your posts these days. Would you like to talk to abmarks about co-leading my fanclub? I can put you in touch.

In any case, I just want to say: thank you for following along with my posts this year! If it weren’t for so many people reading and responding to my thoughts, I would never post this much. And thanks to your posts like this one, there’s so much more to come.

Most importantly: Let’s! Go! Red!!!!!

Iceberg

BearLover
Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Probably admissions, an athletic department that doesn't care about hockey, a bad AD, or all three combined.

Those are likely problems Yale has to deal with, but I think they were also problems when it had a dominant program, so…what changed?

hockey is a random sport

You get 50-75 shots a game. often 30+ go on net

The margin between the best and worst offense is 1.5 goals.

one shot a game decides the winner and loser no matter how much better you play way too much

upprdeck
hockey is a random sport

You get 50-75 shots a game. often 30+ go on net

The margin between the best and worst offense is 1.5 goals.

one shot a game decides the winner and loser no matter how much better you play way too much

I agree.

So on the goal review. Did tv show any better review? At the rink, the only one showed very little. Couldn't even see the puck to know where it was.

It wasn't clear that the goalie interference was before the puck went in or for pushing the puck in or what.

upprdeck

one shot a game decides the winner and loser no matter how much better you play way too much

But enough about basketball

upprdeck
So on the goal review. Did tv show any better review? At the rink, the only one showed very little. Couldn't even see the puck to know where it was.

It wasn't clear that the goalie interference was before the puck went in or for pushing the puck in or what.

Under his pads not in goal until it was pushed in.

I assumed it was under the pads but could you see the puck to know it wasnt in anyway was my question.

BearLover

marty

BearLover

The Rancor

BearLover
An unreleasable major penalty in the final minutes of a game we have firmly in control with a seemingly insurmountable lead? Where have I seen that before?

Glad Cornell could send off Schafer at Lynah with a win. This team still doesn’t seem to have “it”—we are still lacking offensive vision—but we can certainly beat Dartmouth, who is not an impressive team. Obviously we can also lose to Dartmouth, as we have shown twice this year.

Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

We won 5-1 on Coach's last home game, in the playoffs, and you are somehow upset. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Who said I was upset?

Last night upset could be replaced with another word or MANY.

Pessimistic, all-knowing, tiresome, less than elated on the team's win, unaware of the randomness of the game that makes it so fascinating and frustrating at the same time and therefore worth watching and still searching for the inside scoop on what it's like to be on the team and in the locker room this year.

Unless a Jim Bouton on the team writes THE BOOK on THE GAME of the 24-25 season none of us will know that answers that you seem to think should be easy to decern. Please just enjoy the game.

Where was YOUR post celebrating the women’s league championship yesterday?

My comments were limited to my son's and grandson's ears. Want a link to the web cam? Oh wait we don't have one.

Thankfully my Eli son had returned to his home before we beat his team.

Privacy - pass it on.

This is a question for ACM.

For the first two Yale challenges of goals, I believe you made an announcement that used the word "challenge." For the third Yale review I believe you used the term "Official Review." Listening from the stands, we thought that perhaps that meant that the Yale bench had convinced the refs to review the play on their own, without it being a challenge. Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty. So my question is did we hear something wrong or miss something in your announcements, and/or was the difference in use of words not actually significant? Or were we correct that the difference in what you announced was significant, and that the third review, was, in fact, a review that the refs were doing on their own, with no potential negative ramifications for Yale?

RichH

Iceberg

BearLover
Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Probably admissions, an athletic department that doesn't care about hockey, a bad AD, or all three combined.

When they decided to be a nepotism dumping ground for NHL All-Star’s mediocre kids.

Ha! Hat tip to you, Rich.

In all seriousness I think it might be the covid effect. It seems like they were mediocre for a few seasons, which is pretty normal even for great coaches, then covid happened and their recruiting hasn’t recovered. Now they’re ~7 years removed from relevance and they’ve been terrible for 3 years, which just makes things harder. It’s also possible Allain got lucky with some of those early recruiting classes and never really established a solid pipeline, but it seemed like he was finding good players for a solid 7-8 years so I don’t think that’s too likely.

My guess is the boring hockey part is a coach trying to salvage whatever he can with a team that isn’t quite good enough to compete. He has to know Cornell is going to dominate possession but struggle to finish against a packed-in D, so they play boring for 55 minutes and try to get lucky a couple of times.

Happily, last night they needed more than one or two, and it sounds like Cornell controlled the game and then broke it open, which is what you want against a weaker team. Would be nice to break it open early instead of late, but eh, this season I’ll take whatever win they give us.

BearLover
In any case, I just want to say: thank you for following along with my posts this year! If it weren’t for so many people reading and responding to my thoughts, I would never post this much. And thanks to your posts like this one, there’s so much more to come.

Everyone please take note of this. Feeding a troll only fattens it.

Starve the troll. 1 in 3 posts by Bear are reasonable. 1 in 10 are excellent. Reward those. Ignore the rest. Assume he is an algorithm and train him.

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the strange part of the game was Yale down 2 and on a major and never pulled the goalie

stereax

Trotsky
stereax is not just ROTY. She's MVP.

Flattery, flattery!!!

As an attorney, I'm most impressed that as a first year law student stereax finds the time to not only attend all the men's and women's hockey games but so frequently post to this forum. That being said, I know from experience what a grind the 1L year is, and attending games and posting here is a great way to blow off steam!

upprdeck
the strange part of the game was Yale down 2 and on a major and never pulled the goalie

When they pulled him at the end it took about 15 seconds of the bench yelling and banging on the boards for stark to realize they wanted him out.

they should have pulled him at the start. They barely had any shots in the period why wait.

upprdeck
they should have pulled him at the start. They barely had any shots in the period why wait.

I don't think they should've pulled him immediately but they definitely should've done so sooner. I was surprised Stark was still in the net when he was leaving.

andyw2100
This is a question for ACM.

For the firs two Yale challenges of goals, I believe you made an announcement that used the word "challenge." For the third Yale review I believe you used the term "Official Review." Listening from the stands, we thought that perhaps that meant that the Yale bench had convinced the refs to review the play on their own, without it being a challenge. Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty. So my question is did we hear something wrong or miss something in your announcements, and/or was the difference in use of words not actually significant? Or were we correct that the difference in what you announced was significant, and that the third review, was, in fact, a review that the refs were doing on their own, with no potential negative ramifications for Yale?

In mid-January, the league sent out a directive trying to standardize the announcements to be made in challenge and video review situations. Unfortunately, the directive did not include the situation that occurred in last night's game, namely a coach's challenge for a major penalty. I used the closest scenario they provided, knowing that the wording was inaccurate and would probably cause confusion. It was, in fact, a Yale challenge, and would have resulted in a minor penalty against them if the challenge had been unsuccessful.

ACM

andyw2100
This is a question for ACM.

For the firs two Yale challenges of goals, I believe you made an announcement that used the word "challenge." For the third Yale review I believe you used the term "Official Review." Listening from the stands, we thought that perhaps that meant that the Yale bench had convinced the refs to review the play on their own, without it being a challenge. Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty. So my question is did we hear something wrong or miss something in your announcements, and/or was the difference in use of words not actually significant? Or were we correct that the difference in what you announced was significant, and that the third review, was, in fact, a review that the refs were doing on their own, with no potential negative ramifications for Yale?

In mid-January, the league sent out a directive trying to standardize the announcements to be made in challenge and video review situations. Unfortunately, the directive did not include the situation that occurred in last night's game, namely a coach's challenge for a major penalty. I used the closest scenario they provided, knowing that the wording was inaccurate and would probably cause confusion. It was, in fact, a Yale challenge, and would have resulted in a minor penalty against them if the challenge had been unsuccessful.

Thanks very much for that explanation, Arthur. Knowing how precise you are was the reason we thought that perhaps the different language meant different situations. I'm glad to know now that the third review was also a challenge. Thank you!

BearLover

Iceberg

BearLover
Would be really interested to know what the hell happened to Yale. High octane offense from 2008 to 2013 culminating in a national championship, then morphed into a defensive focused team that was still very strong through 2016, then a few okay years during which they were still recruiting well, then COVID, and since that time they’ve been absolutely terrible and also managed to play the most boring brand of hockey I’ve ever seen. Every time Cornell plays them it seems Yale is playing for a 0-0 tie the entire game, just gumming up everything, creating almost zero chances.

But I appreciate them being so bad that we actually looked pretty good. Overall Cornell played well, but I think a lot of that was Yale being extremely bad. Shane looked fine, though he wasn’t challenged much.

Probably admissions, an athletic department that doesn't care about hockey, a bad AD, or all three combined.

Those are likely problems Yale has to deal with, but I think they were also problems when it had a dominant program, so…what changed?

As with Cornell's iconsistency this year, there are probably many reasons, which can be debated all day as to which is most important. It's purely subjective, especially from the outside. So I'll just list some as I see it:

- there was a period of time -- 8 years or so? -- Harvard/Yale/Princeton had an admissions advantage over Cornell/Brown/Dartmouth because those schools started having to use more of their massive endowments. So they used them by basically making tuition free to any family making below a certain income, and a sliding scale from there. This period of time coincides with a bit of a dip in Cornell's performance - until the Ivy League decided to say that, from an athletic standpoint, the other schools were allowed to match whatever the big 3 were offering. Assuredly others are more well-versed in the specifics here, and I'm probably forgetting details - but that's the gist. This was well-covered territory at the time.

- unfortunately, Yale's biggest hockey champion, Wayne Dean, the assistant athletic director, whose son worked with Cornell hockey not too long ago, passed away a few years ago.

- COVID ... probably the biggest reason for the nosedive, though Yale had certainly come back to earth off the early 2010s highs already by that point.

I'd expect Yale to come back to respectability, however I also don't know how long Keith Allain has left to coach. His son Niklas graduated last year, and he'll be 67 next season, making him the second-oldest active head coach - assuming Frank Serratore decides not to retire, which is still a question.

Re: Yale being awful this* year.

I'm not sure if it was Tim or Grady that said this, but iirc they said that 3 of the top 6 points players were out with injuries last night.

abmarks
Re: Yale being awful this* year.

I'm not sure if it was Tim or Grady that said this, but iirc they said that 3 of the top 6 points players were out with injuries last night.

According to the roster on CHN, all six of Yale’s highest scorers played Saturday.

BearLover

abmarks
Re: Yale being awful this* year.

I'm not sure if it was Tim or Grady that said this, but iirc they said that 3 of the top 6 points players were out with injuries last night.

According to the roster on CHN, all six of Yale’s highest scorers played Saturday.

Correct. Realized this morning that the 3 of 6 mention was from the Lax game vs. Penn State earlier in the day.

andyw2100
Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty.

I really wish that a team could no longer challenge something after they lose one or else the minor penalty potential should exist from the outset instead of just losing your timeout. Those stakes aren't high enough to make you have to pick your spots. I don't think Yale would have changed their challenges the other night with their season on the line. The replay was pretty clear on the first goal and I saw the major with my own eyes as it happened. I just think that the challenge consequences should be higher.

VIEWfromK

andyw2100
Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty.

I really wish that a team could no longer challenge something after they lose one or else the minor penalty potential should exist from the outset instead of just losing your timeout. Those stakes aren't high enough to make you have to pick your spots. I don't think Yale would have changed their challenges the other night with their season on the line. The replay was pretty clear on the first goal and I saw the major with my own eyes as it happened. I just think that the challenge consequences should be higher.

I also was worried about the major as it happened. Immediately checked both refs, and was relieved. Was also relieved when it looked like play was about to start again without Yale challenging. The bench waited a while before getting a ref over, and I really thought they weren't going to challenge.

andyw2100

VIEWfromK

andyw2100
Since Yale had already lost their timeout when they lost the second challenge, if the third review was not a challenge but rather something the refs were reviewing on their own, then had the review not resulted in the major penalty, Yale would not have been hit with a minor penalty. If, in fact, the third review was also a challenge, then Yale was risking a minor penalty.

I really wish that a team could no longer challenge something after they lose one or else the minor penalty potential should exist from the outset instead of just losing your timeout. Those stakes aren't high enough to make you have to pick your spots. I don't think Yale would have changed their challenges the other night with their season on the line. The replay was pretty clear on the first goal and I saw the major with my own eyes as it happened. I just think that the challenge consequences should be higher.

I also was worried about the major as it happened. Immediately checked both refs, and was relieved. Was also relieved when it looked like play was about to start again without Yale challenging. The bench waited a while before getting a ref over, and I really thought they weren't going to challenge.

Or couldn't challenge! I thought they had conveniently convinced the refs to check but sounds like they could legally challenge if they were willing to risk a minor. I definitely don't know the rules.

is he out for the first Colgate now?

upprdeck
is he out for the first Colgate now?

He didn't get a DQ

So why did he have to leave the ice then and have Desantis sit in the box?

upprdeck
So why did he have to leave the ice then and have Desantis sit in the box?

Game misconduct. He was done for that game but it doesn't carry over.

Give My Regards

upprdeck
So why did he have to leave the ice then and have Desantis sit in the box?

Game misconduct. He was done for that game but it doesn't carry over.

Right.

Game Misconduct = out for rest of that game
Game Disqualification = out for rest of game + next game

My question: do those both count as +10 minutes to that player’s PIM stat?

ok. I wondered. I didn't hear it when it was announced

But then I didn't see/hear the 50/50 winner either.

RichH

Give My Regards

upprdeck
So why did he have to leave the ice then and have Desantis sit in the box?

Game misconduct. He was done for that game but it doesn't carry over.

Right.

Game Misconduct = out for rest of that game
Game Disqualification = out for rest of game + next game

My question: do those both count as +10 minutes to that player’s PIM stat?

15 PIM for Mack
Nothing for time served for Desantis

upprdeck
ok. I wondered. I didn't hear it when it was announced

I heard it, but then I was listening closely for it once I saw Desantis go into the box.

TimV

BearLover
Some light racism in this thread

Where? "Safe travels" is a common wish, no?

I had no idea what he was talking about either.