2025-26 schedule

Anyone happen to know when the ECAC (or at least Ivy) schedule will be released for 2025-26?

I think the official schedule is usually released over the summer but if we’re lucky we’ll get an exclusive ELynah sneak peak soon.

The first inklings of this year's schedule came from Jim Hyla on March 15, 2024. [elf.elynah.com]
The year before Jim posted the ECAC schedule January 23, 2023 [elf.elynah.com]
All unofficial, but generally right on the moeny.

David Harding

moeny.

Isn't that a song lyric?

The ECAC hasn't been as nice recently. I used to get the ECAC schedule so I could post it on 1/1 and start our schedule.

Last year it was March as noted above.

This year, as soon as I know, you'll know.

All I've received is:

Cornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):

11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28

Jim Hyla
All I've received is:

Cornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):

11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28

Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something

CU2007

Jim Hyla
All I've received is:

Cornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):

11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28

Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something

I do wish that would stop happening. It’s hard for non die hard fans to keep up with such a long break given that most don’t watch away games.

I suspect the Colgate series will be in February and then December will have an OOC home series. Also, I suspect the first two weekends will be on the road. I could see the first conference weekend being at Hamden and Princeton given past scheduling patterns.

CU2007

Jim Hyla
All I've received is:

Cornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):

11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28

Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something

I suspect there's gonna be at least one weekend of non-conference home play in early February. Makes no sense to have three away weekends in a row. (Think the NoDak home&home.)

stereax

CU2007

Jim Hyla
All I've received is:

Cornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):

11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28

Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something

I suspect there's gonna be at least one weekend of non-conference home play in early February. Makes no sense to have three away weekends in a row. (Think the NoDak home&home.)

I suspect it'll be Colgate in there as a lone hole date. I don't remember Cornell ever playing out of conference after the middle of January. Conference schedule is wall to wall except the beanpot and Connecticut copycat.

More likely a home NC game in early December than in February.

Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

chimpfood
Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight?

I believe ASU came to Lynah in 2019 (and swept both games.)

sah67

chimpfood
Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight?

I believe ASU came to Lynah in 2019 (and swept both games.)

That was when Mario Lemieux was in the stands watching his kid.

What was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).

VIEWfromK
What was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).

Teams I'd like to see at Lynah, in no particular order:

RIT *
Mankato
Michigan Tech *
Maine
Northeastern *
Vermont *
UNH *
Western Michigan
CC
Alaska-Anchorage
Alaska-Fairbanks
Wisconsin *
North Dakota

Those starred are a bit down on their luck right now, and would probably be very happy to see an outstretched hand. (I guess I'm willing to extend the olive branch to Vermont, mostly because a return to Gutterson would be a definite trip for me.) Maine and North Dakota, and their fans, are always welcome, as far as I'm concerned. There are good relationships built or to be built there. Wisco is a big stretch, because of the idiotic insularity of the Big10 schedule, which, considering recent events you'd think the conference should start to redress. But they should come. We and they get along.

It looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.

Weder
It looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.

I don't know: OGS and MSS are quite the hubs!

Scersk '97

Weder
It looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.

I don't know: OGS and MSS are quite the hubs!

Ogdensburg has an airport? Who knew!

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Scersk '97

VIEWfromK
What was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).

Teams I'd like to see at Lynah, in no particular order:

RIT *
Mankato
Michigan Tech *
Maine
Northeastern *
Vermont *
UNH *
Western Michigan
CC
Alaska-Anchorage
Alaska-Fairbanks
Wisconsin *
North Dakota

Those starred are a bit down on their luck right now, and would probably be very happy to see an outstretched hand. (I guess I'm willing to extend the olive branch to Vermont, mostly because a return to Gutterson would be a definite trip for me.) Maine and North Dakota, and their fans, are always welcome, as far as I'm concerned. There are good relationships built or to be built there. Wisco is a big stretch, because of the idiotic insularity of the Big10 schedule, which, considering recent events you'd think the conference should start to redress. But they should come. We and they get along.

I would love to see most of these teams as well. Maybe I'd take the Alaska teams, RIT, and UVM off the list.

The UNH or Northeastern connection is particularly interesting. If you look at UNH's schedule this past year most of their wins came from out of conference, and they were all against ECAC/AHL/Independent teams. They went 8-1-1. I don't know if this was intentional, but they had plenty of strength of schedule from their conference games, and what they needed for an NCAA bid was a higher win percentage. They got really close with their nonconference games. They were a few wins from getting there.

What if we took the opposite approach to scheduling? Let's assume that we'll get the win percentage we need from our conference play (because if we can't get a good win 5 from our regular season and/or win our tourney, I don't see us performing well in the NCAAs). Then, as insurance against not getting the autobid, let's load our nonconference schedule with as many heavy hitters as we can to up our strength of schedule.

Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?

Maybe not. I don't know much about the scheduling process. However, when I think about the Q nc game and the Sacred Heart games, and I look at how winning three games against common opponents or head-to-head with teams on the bid bubble, combined with a slightly higher RPI might have gotten us an at-large bid.

And maybe we schedule those games and we don't win enough get there. But having two precious nonconference games against Sacred Heart guarantees we've wasted two Pairwise opportunities.

adamw
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.

In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.

Lake State, MTU, NMU, WMU, CC among the teams I would like to see at Lynah. Along with of course the Blue Bloods. But I'd like to see them later in the year, when we have gelled, and the schedule is so tight that can't happen. Early I wouldn't mind some cupcakes to get the players in sync playing their game and not worrying so much about the opponent. The Stonehill, Lindenwood, Mercyhurst type of gigs.

For the same reason I wouldn't mind seeing an LIU, or CW Post if they do go D-1, at MSG sometime. Winning is healthy.

Trotsky

adamw
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.

In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.

That I agree with -- but it depends upon the time of team you have. That, unfortunately, is hard to predict in advance when schedules are made, especially these days.

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I’m sure it’ll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we’re more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule. It also gives us some margin of error in a weak ECAC since we have done extremely well in OOC play recently. There are also other benefits outside of the pairwise like being used to playing close games against tough teams

chimpfood

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I’m sure it’ll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we’re more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule.

I think there's probably circular logic in there that makes it seem that way. A program like Minnesota State has shown that if you dominate weak schedules, you make the NCAAs. Heck Cornell showed that in the weak ECAC years. Take a look at Penn State's OOC schedule every year. I get coaches calling me complaining that Penn State "games the Pairwise" by doing this -- so they think the opposite of you. And I have to tell them they're wrong too

adamw

chimpfood

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I’m sure it’ll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we’re more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule.

I think there's probably circular logic in there that makes it seem that way. A program like Minnesota State has shown that if you dominate weak schedules, you make the NCAAs. Heck Cornell showed that in the weak ECAC years. Take a look at Penn State's OOC schedule every year. I get coaches calling me complaining that Penn State "games the Pairwise" by doing this -- so they think the opposite of you. And I have to tell them they're wrong too

Yeah maybe I’m trying to hard to argue logically. Honestly it’s just fun to play good teams and see teams like North Dakota and Duluth come to lynah, thats honestly probably most of the reason I want a tough schedule.

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.

What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.

If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.

Being on the bubble means it goes the other way some years, too. But what I tougher schedule does guarantee is more experience playing teams with different styles and a level of play that forces you to dig deep. Cornell did well this year in the national tournament because they found a way to shift into a higher gear. Let's give these players more experience in those kinds of games.

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

adamw

Trotsky

adamw
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.

In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.

That I agree with -- but it depends upon the time of team you have. That, unfortunately, is hard to predict in advance when schedules are made, especially these days.

Of course. I don't think Mike expected to get waxed by Cor Jesu Amanti Sacrum.

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Dafatone

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Well I’d hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.

Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.

BearLover

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I recently read an article (which I can't find quickly now) that talked about what we learned from Covid, and one of the lessons was that home game advantage was real - but only if you were used to playing in front of a loud crowd. Programs without that didn't lose any advantage when fans were kept away.

The other observation from that NBA season was how much not traveling over multiple time zones helped teams. And that's been a big discussion in Big Ten football this year. Penn State is feeling the travel burden (just getting onto a direct flight to USC adds a two hour bus ride to a bigger airport), and West Coast schools have seen their performance drop with jet lag.

As that becomes more obvious to sports in general, it make get harder to get western teams to come to Lynah, especially when it's easier to travel to a Boston campus if you're willing to take the time zone hit.

As I'm watching today's game, maybe we should try to entice Penn State to Lynah.

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Well I’d hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.

Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.

I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.

pjd8

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.

What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.

If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.

True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.

adamw

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Well I’d hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.

Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.

I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.

Interesting proposal!

0.8 doesn't sound like a ton at first glance, but it means a road win is 1.2, so a road win is worth 1.5x as much as a home win. Which is a lot.

Dafatone

adamw

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Well I’d hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.

Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.

I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.

Interesting proposal!

0.8 doesn't sound like a ton at first glance, but it means a road win is 1.2, so a road win is worth 1.5x as much as a home win. Which is a lot.

If every team schedules the same ratio of home/away games it all comes out in the wash, right? The exception would be a school like Alaska who benefits from playing most of their games on the road.

adamw

pjd8

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.

What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.

If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.

True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.

Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.

I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.

But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.

pjd8

adamw

pjd8

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.

What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.

If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.

True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.

Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.

I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.

But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.

Should be a plus for recruiting. Blue chippahs would rather hone their skills against the
BCs than the Browns.

Al DeFlorio

pjd8

adamw

pjd8

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.

What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.

If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.

True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.

Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.

I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.

But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.

Should be a plus for recruiting. Blue chippahs would rather hone their skills against the
BCs than the Browns.

Also, that Cornell is "big-league" in hockey compared to SH, just as Cornell is "big-league" in academics compared to virtually all but a few other highly selective institutions. (As the ad says, "A very high level athletically and academically."

adamw

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover

Dafatone

adamw

chimpfood
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven’t seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out

Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads

playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.

My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.

Has anybody studied this? Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the “true” advantage of home ice.

I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.

But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.

Well I’d hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.

Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.

I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.

Does CHN still calculate KASA? You could use the home advantage from that to figure out the expected RPI-adjusted winning percentage for home and road games. Although it might depend on the ratio of team ratings; it's too late to get a pen and paper and do the calculation right now,

pjd8
Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?

Whether or not we can entice the team to play in MSG is not the only consideration. The best Big Red Apple games have been sold out or nearly so because they were against opponents with large, devoted alumni populations in NYC - Michigan, Penn State, UConn, even UNH (and of course BU in the Red Hot Hockey years both has a large, devoted NYC-area following and the benefit of the historical Cornell rivalry). I don't think Northeastern really fits that bill. Of course neither does Quinny, but at a certain point I imagine Coach Schafer was running out of time and options and just picked up the phone hoping not to have to cancel entirely. I suspect that's how we ended up with Harvard in 2018-19, too - but at least they have a solid NYC footing.

Beeeej

pjd8
Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?

Whether or not we can entice the team to play in MSG is not the only consideration. The best Big Red Apple games have been sold out or nearly so because they were against opponents with large, devoted alumni populations in NYC - Michigan, Penn State, UConn, even UNH (and of course BU in the Red Hot Hockey years both has a large, devoted NYC-area following and the benefit of the historical Cornell rivalry). I don't think Northeastern really fits that bill. Of course neither does Quinny, but at a certain point I imagine Coach Schafer was running out of time and options and just picked up the phone hoping not to have to cancel entirely. I suspect that's how we ended up with Harvard in 2018-19, too - but at least they have a solid NYC footing.

I'd be a little surprised if UNH had a bigger base in NYC than Northeastern, but I have no real data to base that on. I've just always felt that NU was more closely aligned academically than UNH. That may be a private/public thing, as well as which disciplines the schools focus on.

But I'd take any of the schools you listed above over Q. Maybe Notre Dame would also be a good candidate. And yes, sometimes it comes down to who you can get to answer the phone and say yes. More schools will say that if we stay competitive, and more games like that on our schedule will help us stay competitive. I feel like we've lost some of that ground with covid rules.

We’ve had this debate for years. There’s a wish list and then there’s logistics and reality. Notre Dame Cornell would likely sell out msg twice over. Michigan has already played. BC seems like an obvious choice but I wonder whether the Boston schools view msg as a Mecca when they play at the Gahden every year. Wisconsin would be good.

it's been so long since michigan was last here. one of the very few that i missed; i remember we wore camo. blech.

ugarte
it's been so long since michigan was last here. one of the very few that i missed; i remember we wore camo. blech.

At this rate next time we'll wear arm bands.

We still know pretty much nothing about the schedule. I would have expected that we get some games trickling in here and there from other teams schedule releases but we have nothing even though most of the NCHC and some other schools have released their full schedules. We also have no return trips due that are coming off the top of my head so next years schedule really is a mystery outside of red hot hockey. My wish list would be that we get a series with a hockey east team and a big ten team but I doubt it. Just hoping for no Atlantic series after that sacred heart fiasco this year

Based on Casey’s history at Clarkson, didn’t it often have games with CCHA schools-Northern, Tech, Lake Superior?

Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Scheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?

The Rancor
Scheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?

Doesn’t this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn’t matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.

In practice, Cornell has scheduled some strong opposition the past few seasons. Finding good opponents hasn’t seemed to be an issue.

Swampy

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...

stereax

Swampy

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...

Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.

Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.

Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.

TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for men's sports?)

Swampy

stereax

Swampy

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...

Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.

Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.

Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.

TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for men'ssports?)

I didn't realize they were an HBCU- all the more reason to root for them! Did they have an ACHA program before?

The Rancor
I didn't realize they were an HBCU- all the more reason to root for them! Did they have an ACHA program before?

No.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

BearLover

The Rancor
Scheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?

Doesn’t this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn’t matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.

They've tweaked the numbers a few times, so I'm not sure if this is still true, but there were versions of the RPI that cared about opponents' record a lot more than opponents' opponents' record, so playing someone who'd have a good record against weak opposition was actually to your advantage.

jtwcornell91

BearLover

The Rancor
Scheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?

Doesn’t this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn’t matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.

They've tweaked the numbers a few times, so I'm not sure if this is still true, but there were versions of the RPI that cared about opponents' record a lot more than opponents' opponents' record, so playing someone who'd have a good record against weak opposition was actually to your advantage.

Yeah, a lot of the fairness in college hockey depends on RPI being calibrated properly. But assuming it is, there should not be a Pairwise benefit or cost to scheduling someone better or worse.

Swampy

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Arizona State and Tennessee State exist in different athletic department universes. I am rooting for Tennessee State for the same reasons that I am rooting for Morgan State wrestling to work but I am keeping my optimism in check.

Swampy

stereax

Swampy

stereax

617BigRed
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...

Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...

Holy shit they're gonna get smoked

Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.

Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...

Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.

Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.

Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.

TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for men's sports?)

Didn't know they were a HBCU - that's neat, love to see hockey getting more opportunities! Hopefully they can field a solid team within the next few years. Just find it intriguing that you'd start your schedule against an absolute powerhouse team, even if I can't find the schedule rn. Also seeing the team's having funding issues. Hope they're able to figure something out.

...though somehow I doubt Preds tickets are gonna be super expensive rn LOL.

Clarkson released its schedule, so now we know:
Cornell at Clarkson, Dec. 5
Cornell at St. Lawrence, Dec. 6
Cornell vs. St. Lawrence, Feb. 27
Cornell vs. Clarkson, Feb. 28

I received info today from a friend who is a class officer, that the class officers were told today that Red Hot Hockey vs. BU has been finalized for Nov. 29.

@UMA 10/31, 11/1 [umassathletics.com]

Nice, looks like Casey setting up quality OOC games!

ursusminor
@UMA 10/31, 11/1 [umassathletics.com]

Nice. Hope they come to Cornell in a year or two. Could be a good Frozen Apple opponent at some
point too.

Another season opener with a good opponent who’s already played 5 or so games. Bold. UMass would be excellent at MSG.

The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.

stereax

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.

They are usually off from around 12/10 to the New Year, give or take a few days on either side.

stereax

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.

Usually, yes. This past season, they played in the ASU tournament the first week of Jan, so there was no home game during winter break. In many other years, there has been a home weekend during that early Jan slot - often they give the unsold/returned tickets to local youth groups, IIRC. When I was in the pep band, there was an effort to get as many as we could to come back to campus early to still have a band for those. I found it enjoyable to just have chill time in Ithaca with friends and no work for a week.

RichH

stereax

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.

Usually, yes. This past season, they played in the ASU tournament the first week of Jan, so there was no home game during winter break. In many other years, there has been a home weekend during that early Jan slot - often they give the unsold/returned tickets to local youth groups, IIRC. When I was in the pep band, there was an effort to get as many as we could to come back to campus early to still have a band for those. I found it enjoyable to just have chill time in Ithaca with friends and no work for a week.

Gotcha, gotcha. Will have to plan around that then. Don't want to miss it :')

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.

Not a sexy opponent and a terrible date but a good opponent and helpful for OOC.

I dont expect Omaha to be good next year but it’s a fun opponent that I can’t remember ever seeing at lynah, so I’m fine with it.

I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.

chimpfood
I dont expect Omaha to be good next year but it’s a fun opponent that I can’t remember ever seeing at lynah, so I’m fine with it.

We opened with two at Lynah against UNO in 2014-15, a 1-1 tie and a 1-2 loss. Their visit was a return favor for our trip to Omaha to open the season in 2013-14 (5-3 and 4-3 wins for the good guys). Those are the only four games we've ever played against them, though, in any context.

LetsGoTech16

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.

Omaha?

OMAHA???????????

THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE

Jeff Hopkins '82
I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.

Isn't that irrelevant now with the implementation of NPI?

abmarks

Jeff Hopkins '82
I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.

Isn't that irrelevant now with the implementation of NPI?

I haven't really dug into NPI, so you may be right.

stereax

LetsGoTech16

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.

Omaha?

OMAHA???????????

THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE

This begs an explanation.....

Chris H82

stereax

LetsGoTech16

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.

Omaha?

OMAHA???????????

THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE

This begs an explanation.....

Alright sO -

I follow a lot of leagues and a fair amount of teams. One of these teams is from the QMJHL - the Voltigeurs. My silly Q team from the "fake French league", as some have called it. The Volts' captain, an overager, is committed to U Nebraska-Omaha. I happen to have, after about half a year of hostage negotiations, a 1-for-1 Volts jersey of this captain's, signed. Probably one of my most prized possessions. I always figured, given Omaha's in the NCHC, there'd be a bat's chance in hell of ever seeing him play in person.

I'm... probably not showing up in red that weekend.

stereax

LetsGoTech16

LetsGoTech16
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?

Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.

Omaha?

OMAHA???????????

THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE

What in the heck are these last two posts lol

Since he has the very first post of this thread, it would be nice of Wammer to post the known game dates-opponents in that very first post.

10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?

billhoward
Since he has the very first post of this thread, it would be nice of Wammer to post the known game dates-opponents in that very first post.

If Wammer is unable or unwilling to update the first post with the known schedule so far, and keep updating as they become known, we may need a more frequent poster to post a new thread for the 25-26 schedule. Then an admin can pin that thread to the top of the forum.

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

I hate to be that guy, but for me Cornell hockey demands accuracy. It's the 10th time and the 18th anniversary.

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

10th edition, not 10th anniversary. (This game against BU is held every other year, with the off years having different opponents for the Frozen Apple games.)

stereax

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?

Yes right, thanks guys - think since is over the Thanksgiving break most students are back home, so ones who can get to game from home & want to attend come but not many fans coming down to NYC from campus that weekend?

Jim (?) is the one who typically does it, closer to the season.

617BigRed

stereax

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?

Yes right, thanks guys - think since is over the Thanksgiving break most students are back home, so ones who can get to game from home & want to attend come but not many fans coming down to NYC from campus that weekend?

Man. I'd probably need to get from Ithaca to NYC. I think a decent contingent did it last year...

stereax

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?

The Campus to Campus bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.

dbilmes

stereax

617BigRed
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:

[cornellbigred.com]

Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?

The Campus to Campus bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.

Hmmm. So take the bus probably Thursday, maybe Friday, find a hotel until Sunday, and bus back seems like the play, right?

Damn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...

617BigRed
Damn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...

There are several cheaper bus options outside of Campus to Campus IIRC.

617BigRed
Damn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...

FlixBus is relatively cheap if one buys their ticket far enough in advance. And it stops at Penn Station.

C2C you are paying a premium for pickup and dropoff more related to Cornell activities.

You are also paying for a bit nicer ride.

There are many cheaper ways to get to NYC by bus

upprdeck
C2C you are paying a premium for pickup and dropoff more related to Cornell activities.

You are also paying for a bit nicer ride.

There are many cheaper ways to get to NYC by bus

Well, it's already sold out apparently bigredtix has nothing.

I just got great seats at the MSG box in the Cornell section. Should be plenty on ticketmaster if you're willing to pay the fees. I'm not and am lucky enough to be able to mosey over to the box