Cornell vs Union

BearLover

upprdeck
Well with the NIH news coming out we wont have to worry about hockey ever again.

Huh

University is in a world of hurt if this funding dries up, they already sent out campus emails.

stereax

ugarte

stereax

BearLover
Watching this team play is amateur hour every night. Bad turnovers, soft goals, looks like no structure at all on the breakout. Oh, and three too many men on the ice penalties within four periods.

Watch a team you like, dude

welcome to elynah but grow a thicker skin please or at least stop pandering to the people most reflexively reactive to criticism. you've been watching the team for three months.

::shrug:: aren't we tired enough of the constant dooming that there are SEVERAL threads about it? I usually don't reply, but I'm just exhausted at this point, and it feels like it's not only me. Am I supposed to go around banging the drum like WE SUCK, THERE'S NO HOPE, SEASON'S OVER, EVERYONE FAILED SCHAFER? Or am I allowed to enjoy the team? ... I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I see this wrong, but that's my outlook on it all.

i know the inherent pot/kettle in me saying this but... you can ignore him if the results-supported gloom is bothering you. the commitment to making him a whipping boy for being right first is what drives multiple threads about it and very clearly has only made him more trolly. He revives the clownlover thread after every loss and while i probably wouldn't go back to that well quote so often... he earned it. he was right!

i, on the other hand, *can't* really ignore this kind of post. this insistence that to be critical or disappointed or frustrated is some kind of moral failing. that i should think about the smiling children seeing their first game. get the fuck out of here! I'm very happy for the kids to have those experiences and enjoy hearing about them but they are NOT why I've spent more than 30 years invested in this hockey team.

or keeping in mind that the players are barely adults themselves. again, no. that's why i give them grace for almost anything but how they play hockey for 60 minutes twice a week. that's the part i watch. i react to what i see.

for all the years I've spent on here, the bridges I've built and burned, the one thing i can't abide is this place turning into a hugbox like the old Roundtable.

BearLover

upprdeck
Well with the NIH news coming out we wont have to worry about hockey ever again.

Huh

Derps cut medicine --> everybody dies --> no more worries

What's missing in contemporary society is a hero standing up for petulant entitled assholes.

upprdeck
Well with the NIH news coming out we wont have to worry about hockey ever again.

Lawsuits will be filed tomorrow. One expert estimated that 80% of these tactics will be struck down by the courts in short order. The rest of the time, these tactics will likely gain some traction before sanity is restored.

The hockey lesson in that: 20% of the time chaos gets some results. At this point, I think we need to just throw more at the net and be ready to pounce on the resulting bounces. Goals aren't going to happen with the points passing back and forth to each other.

pjd8

At this point, I think we need to just throw more at the net and be ready to pounce on the resulting bounces..

That goalie last night gave up no rebounds. Early on they were letting fly and had bodies going to the net. Sometime after the Penney in the crease call they went back to passing around and looking for the perfect opportunity.

ugarte

stereax

ugarte

stereax

BearLover
Watching this team play is amateur hour every night. Bad turnovers, soft goals, looks like no structure at all on the breakout. Oh, and three too many men on the ice penalties within four periods.

Watch a team you like, dude

welcome to elynah but grow a thicker skin please or at least stop pandering to the people most reflexively reactive to criticism. you've been watching the team for three months.

::shrug:: aren't we tired enough of the constant dooming that there are SEVERAL threads about it? I usually don't reply, but I'm just exhausted at this point, and it feels like it's not only me. Am I supposed to go around banging the drum like WE SUCK, THERE'S NO HOPE, SEASON'S OVER, EVERYONE FAILED SCHAFER? Or am I allowed to enjoy the team? ... I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I see this wrong, but that's my outlook on it all.

i know the inherent pot/kettle in me saying this but... you can ignore him if the results-supported gloom is bothering you. the commitment to making him a whipping boy for being right first is what drives multiple threads about it and very clearly has only made him more trolly. He revives the clownlover thread after every loss and while i probably wouldn't go back to that well quote so often... he earned it. he was right!

i, on the other hand, *can't* really ignore this kind of post. this insistence that to be critical or disappointed or frustrated is some kind of moral failing. that i should think about the smiling children seeing their first game. get the fuck out of here! I'm very happy for the kids to have those experiences and enjoy hearing about them but they are NOT why I've spent more than 30 years invested in this hockey team.

or keeping in mind that the players are barely adults themselves. again, no. that's why i give them grace for almost anything but how they play hockey for 60 minutes twice a week. that's the part i watch. i react to what i see.

for all the years I've spent on here, the bridges I've built and burned, the one thing i can't abide is this place turning into a hugbox like the old Roundtable.

But think of the smiling children!!

I am new here and still learning the unwritten ELynah rules. So patience please. I'll do my best to dial down any mention of happy children or babes who received free Cornell Big Red pucks.

And I won't do any hugging, so if you see me at Lynah DO NOT try to scam a hug out of me. My sister is much more of a loose canon but she's an adult, so.

Daughter not available for hugs. Duh.

I hereby pledge that if I post a positive comment about the team, even if it's: "those away uniforms are really red," I will make sure it is surrounded by plenty of screeds about how the team sucks.

And Bearlover, for all your negativity, you make insightful comments about hockey, so thanks for that.

XO ELynah

The Women's team is so hot right now. I hope they can keep their foot on the gas pedal.

Snowball
I am new here and still learning the unwritten ELynah rules. So patience please. I'll do my best to dial down any mention of happy children or babes who received free Cornell Big Red pucks.

And I won't do any hugging, so if you see me at Lynah DO NOT try to scam a hug out of me. My sister is much more of a loose canon but she's an adult, so.

Daughter not available for hugs. Duh.

I hereby pledge that if I post a positive comment about the team, even if it's: "those away uniforms are really red," I will make sure it is surrounded by plenty of screeds about how the team sucks.

And Bearlover, for all your negativity, you make insightful comments about hockey, so thanks for that.

XO ELynah

no offense snowball, but this misses the entire point of my post. i don't mind positivity. i do mind reflexive reaction and hostility to negative observation. enjoy the games.

Guy who was angry posters were criticizing posters rather than the team now criticizing posters.

Swampy

stereax

arugula
Also lets not forget that the women look like a serious contender and lacrosse looks very promising.

The women's team is making me super excited too! Not a fan of lax (yet) but I do have a discount code from the Boulevard event to burn... should probably go watch a lacrosse game and see how it goes.

Yes you should. I saw my first lacrosse game when I was a Cornell undergraduate and wound up playing intercollegiate lacrosse on a club team in graduate school. Besides being great fun, getting me into the best shape of my life, and teaching me so much about teamwork, lacrosse taught me much about other sports because it combines elements from so many: basketball, hockey, & soccer to name a few.

I'll have to check when I've got free weekends then. Any intel on which home game(s) would be the best to watch?

pjd8
The hockey lesson in that: 20% of the time chaos gets some results.

You miss 100% of the children you don't target.

Snowball
I am new here and still learning the unwritten ELynah rules. So patience please. I'll do my best to dial down any mention of happy children or babes who received free Cornell Big Red pucks.

And I won't do any hugging, so if you see me at Lynah DO NOT try to scam a hug out of me. My sister is much more of a loose canon but she's an adult, so.

Daughter not available for hugs. Duh.

I hereby pledge that if I post a positive comment about the team, even if it's: "those away uniforms are really red," I will make sure it is surrounded by plenty of screeds about how the team sucks.

And Bearlover, for all your negativity, you make insightful comments about hockey, so thanks for that.

XO ELynah

Team's awful, we're never going to be good again, everyone sucks, and if the team doesn't win 15-0 they're a blight upon humanity. Of course.

At some point, what does the complaining give you? Genuinely. If you're going to go on longwinded rants every single week about some twenty-somethings underperforming in the sharp shoes on ice sport and saying how much you hate the team and how you've given up... what does it change?

You're not going to win every year. You're not going to go undefeated every year Because Cornell or Because Schafer or whatever. Maybe last year was an overperformance that set the bar too high. Maybe this year is uniquely bad because goaltending or injuries or sickness or defense or limp powerplay or whatever it is. It's probably a bit of both. We can't predict the future and whether we'll be terrible next season. There are reasons we might be (Shane leaving with no succession plan) and reasons we might not (the resurgence of the skaters). Even if we're bottom of the ECAC, I'll be at Lynah every home weekend, rooting for my guys and hoping they do win.

I'm not asking for a "hugbox". I think there's definitely room to have open debates and discuss things and be more pessimistic or more optimistic. But sometimes I read these posts and I genuinely wonder whether some of us are still fans of the team or if they just like to watch the team fail so they can gloat that they were "right" about something. It's like the wins mean nothing and the losses mean everything.

I could complain. There are definitely reasons to complain! I just choose not to, because... no offense, I have better things to worry about than whether Castagna is washed or something (even though it feels like he takes a big knock every single weekend and I would be surprised if he was playing at even 90% prior to the injury on Saturday).

I watch hockey to escape from my problems for a few hours. Not to give myself more of them. I watch hockey to get out of the house and talk to people who share a common interest and cheer for my school and my team. To see my hockey players make crazy plays and sometimes score, to remind the other goalie that he is in fact a sieve, to enjoy myself on weekend nights before I go back to wanting to cry over Pennoyer v Neff.

Life is miserable. Hockey doesn't have to be. If that doesn't make me a real fan, then so be it, I guess.

stereax

Snowball
I am new here and still learning the unwritten ELynah rules. So patience please. I'll do my best to dial down any mention of happy children or babes who received free Cornell Big Red pucks.

And I won't do any hugging, so if you see me at Lynah DO NOT try to scam a hug out of me. My sister is much more of a loose canon but she's an adult, so.

Daughter not available for hugs. Duh.

I hereby pledge that if I post a positive comment about the team, even if it's: "those away uniforms are really red," I will make sure it is surrounded by plenty of screeds about how the team sucks.

And Bearlover, for all your negativity, you make insightful comments about hockey, so thanks for that.

XO ELynah

Team's awful, we're never going to be good again, everyone sucks, and if the team doesn't win 15-0 they're a blight upon humanity. Of course.

At some point, what does the complaining give you? Genuinely. If you're going to go on longwinded rants every single week about some twenty-somethings underperforming in the sharp shoes on ice sport and saying how much you hate the team and how you've given up... what does it change?

You're not going to win every year. You're not going to go undefeated every year Because Cornell or Because Schafer or whatever. Maybe last year was an overperformance that set the bar too high. Maybe this year is uniquely bad because goaltending or injuries or sickness or defense or limp powerplay or whatever it is. It's probably a bit of both. We can't predict the future and whether we'll be terrible next season. There are reasons we might be (Shane leaving with no succession plan) and reasons we might not (the resurgence of the skaters). Even if we're bottom of the ECAC, I'll be at Lynah every home weekend, rooting for my guys and hoping they do win.

I'm not asking for a "hugbox". I think there's definitely room to have open debates and discuss things and be more pessimistic or more optimistic. But sometimes I read these posts and I genuinely wonder whether some of us are still fans of the team or if they just like to watch the team fail so they can gloat that they were "right" about something. It's like the wins mean nothing and the losses mean everything.

I could complain. There are definitely reasons to complain! I just choose not to, because... no offense, I have better things to worry about than whether Castagna is washed or something (even though it feels like he takes a big knock every single weekend and I would be surprised if he was playing at even 90% prior to the injury on Saturday).

I watch hockey to escape from my problems for a few hours. Not to give myself more of them. I watch hockey to get out of the house and talk to people who share a common interest and cheer for my school and my team. To see my hockey players make crazy plays and sometimes score, to remind the other goalie that he is in fact a sieve, to enjoy myself on weekend nights before I go back to wanting to cry over Pennoyer v Neff.

Life is miserable. Hockey doesn't have to be. If that doesn't make me a real fan, then so be it, I guess.

Well stated, thank you

stereax

We can't predict the future and whether we'll be terrible next season. There are reasons we might be (Shane leaving with no succession plan)

When Galajda left there was no succession plan and out of it emerged Shane (the least likely of them at the time).

stereax

Life is miserable. Hockey doesn't have to be. If that doesn't make me a real fan, then so be it, I guess.

It goes beyond that. The best sports stories aren't about how some team got all the best draft picks, never made a mistake, and cruised to a trophy. They're about overcoming adversity and beating the odds. It's about how, no matter how down you are, there is a chance things will be better tomorrow if you keep putting the effort in. Because sometimes, just sometimes, that Hail Mary pass works.

I know we all had high hopes for this season, and I know that Schafer's retirement has amplified the loss. There's plenty to criticize and be frustrated about. But this has gone way past misery loving company. It's now just wallowing in despair.

The sad thing is, we're all supposed to be on the same side. We complain when the guys on the ice can't work together as a team, but then we take out our frustration by sniping at each other. Can we really expect a bunch of 18-22 year olds to outdo us in maturity?

Trotsky
Guy who was angry posters were criticizing posters rather than the team now criticizing posters.

Jesus Christ this is embarrassing even for you

ugarte

Trotsky
Guy who was angry posters were criticizing posters rather than the team now criticizing posters.

Jesus Christ this is embarrassing even for you

Funny. I was thinking the same about you.

Why can't you take the distaff posters' sage advice? Even when you're dealing with the most self-important Pick Me dingleberry with delusions of urbanity barely slip-covering his eggshell narcissism, we are all Faithful and we should 69 in the common love of Our Brave Lads.

Men are the worst.

VIEWfromK

stereax

We can't predict the future and whether we'll be terrible next season. There are reasons we might be (Shane leaving with no succession plan)

When Galajda left there was no succession plan and out of it emerged Shane (the least likely of them at the time).

I thought Howe was expected to be the starter until the injuries and poor performance derailed him before he either left the team or was kicked off of it after one semester.

have fun folks

This is sad. There's nothing wrong with criticism, and being glum, annoyed, frustrated at high hopes being dashed. I have felt it all myself. It's the self-delusional preening, the proclamations of "I/he was right" when "he" wasn't, the smug assertions of "proof" where none exists, the bombast -- I could go on. At best, I'm just going to assume some people have no clue they act that way.

Iceberg

I thought Howe was expected to be the starter until the injuries and poor performance derailed him before he either left the team or was kicked off of it after one semester.

I didn't recall if that was the plan. This is how the season played out. It wasn't clear to me that Howe was the guy. It wasn't until Shane got his chance that they ran with someone.

McDonald OT W
Howe OT W
Howe L HARVARD
McDonald W
Howe W
Howe W
McDonald OT W
McDonald W
Howe W MSG
McDonald W
McDonald SO L
Howe L
McDonald L pulled for Shane in 2nd
Shane W NODAK
Shane W NODAK
Shane W
Shane L
Shane OT W QPAC
Shane SO L
Shane SO L HARVARD
Shane L
Shane L
Shame SO L
Howe L
McDonald W
Shane OT L
McDonald W
Shane W
Shane W

Shane W ECAC Rnd 2
Shane L pulled for Howe in 2nd
Shane L

adamw
This is sad. There's nothing wrong with criticism, and being glum, annoyed, frustrated at high hopes being dashed. I have felt it all myself. It's the self-delusional preening, the proclamations of "I/he was right" when "he" wasn't, the smug assertions of "proof" where none exists, the bombast -- I could go on. At best, I'm just going to assume some people have no clue they act that way.

I know this (and many of your other posts) are thinly veiled swipes at me. Pretty tiring at this point TBH. Also hypocritical, given the only person who asserted things matter-of-factly and dismissively was you. I’m over this argument, but if you’re going to pop back in every few days and take another swipe at me then I’m gonna respond. So maybe just don’t do that, and we can finally put this to bed.

VIEWfromK

Iceberg

I thought Howe was expected to be the starter until the injuries and poor performance derailed him before he either left the team or was kicked off of it after one semester.

I didn't recall if that was the plan. This is how the season played out. It wasn't clear to me
that Howe was the guy. It wasn't until Shane got his chance that they ran with someone.

McDonald OT W
Howe OT W
Howe L HARVARD
McDonald W
Howe W
Howe W
McDonald OT W
McDonald W
Howe W MSG
McDonald W
McDonald SO L
Howe L
McDonald L pulled for Shane in 2nd
Shane W NODAK
Shane W NODAK
Shane W
Shane L
Shane OT W QPAC
Shane SO L
Shane SO L HARVARD
Shane L
Shane L
Shame SO L
Howe L
McDonald W
Shane OT L
McDonald W
Shane W
Shane W

Shane W ECAC Rnd 2
Shane L pulled for Howe in 2nd
Shane L

What ever happened to Howe? Can’t find him anywhere.

arugula

VIEWfromK

Iceberg

I thought Howe was expected to be the starter until the injuries and poor performance derailed him before he either left the team or was kicked off of it after one semester.

I didn't recall if that was the plan. This is how the season played out. It wasn't clear to me
that Howe was the guy. It wasn't until Shane got his chance that they ran with someone.

McDonald OT W
Howe OT W
Howe L HARVARD
McDonald W
Howe W
Howe W
McDonald OT W
McDonald W
Howe W MSG
McDonald W
McDonald SO L
Howe L
McDonald L pulled for Shane in 2nd
Shane W NODAK
Shane W NODAK
Shane W
Shane L
Shane OT W QPAC
Shane SO L
Shane SO L HARVARD
Shane L
Shane L
Shame SO L
Howe L
McDonald W
Shane OT L
McDonald W
Shane W
Shane W

Shane W ECAC Rnd 2
Shane L pulled for Howe in 2nd
Shane L

What ever happened to Howe? Can’t find him anywhere.

Left or got kicked off the team. I’ve heard some rumors but getting kicked off seems likely as he hasn’t played since and multiple other guys left at the same time.

Before that season, when was the last time Cornell had three goalies make at least eight appearances each?