Cornell vs Dartmouth 1/25/25

Tom Lento

George64

stereax
The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse. Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker. He couldn’t have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year’s team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year’s team wasn’t like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That’s not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won’t be there anymore.

So for this year’s team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn’t happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn’t come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn’t been the case.

That said, getting shellacked at home by a mediocre Dartmouth squad is well below even injury-adjusted expectations for this team, but also bad games happen. Sometimes they’re a blessing in the end because the team takes on a “never again” attitude that can be wonderful for focusing the mind.

Trotsky
This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters. Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

Tom Lento

Tom Lento

George64

stereax
The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse. Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker. He couldn’t have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year’s team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year’s team wasn’t like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That’s not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won’t be there anymore.

So for this year’s team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn’t happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn’t come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn’t been the case.

That said, getting shellacked at home by a mediocre Dartmouth squad is well below even injury-adjusted expectations for this team, but also bad games happen. Sometimes they’re a blessing in the end because the team takes on a “never again” attitude that can be wonderful for focusing the mind.

I think this team has the talent to make a conference run. We have won dark horse titles in 1980 (from 8th), 1986 (3rd), and 1996 (4th). We have some great players and experience. We can do it.

Trotsky

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

Colgate is not the team I would have expect to be the mode. Interesting that there's only one nonconference opponent.

Trotsky

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

Yeesh. I've only been alive for two of these.

But yeah, agreeing with Tom (I think) that this might be the turning point that lights a fire under the asses of the Big Red. You can't let that happen.

Trotsky

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

It looks like this is now in a pattern of happening once every 10 years! Let's hope it takes at least that many years for it to happen again.

If you want to stick it to your opponent, put the biscuit in the basket before the game ends.

dbilmes

Trotsky

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

It looks like this is now in a pattern of happening once every 10 years! Let's hope it takes at least that many years for it to happen again.

It happened 10 years ago, and 20 years before that. Only happened twice under Schafer.

TimV

Trotsky
This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters. Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was. I couldn't figure it out. What is it?

Jeff Hopkins '82

TimV

Trotsky
This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters. Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was. I couldn't figure it out. What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

Iceberg

Jeff Hopkins '82

TimV

Trotsky
This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters. Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was. I couldn't figure it out. What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

I like iconography, so I looked it up. It’s a simple representation of the “Lone Pine” which was a meeting landmark on their campus through most of the 19th century. Simplified shield versions of their original seal had the lone pine. In 2018, they moved to the new “D-Pine” logo to replace their old shield.

[www.nhpr.org]

RichH

Iceberg

Jeff Hopkins '82

TimV

Trotsky
This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters. Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was. I couldn't figure it out. What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

I like iconography, so I looked it up. It’s a simple representation of the “Lone Pine” which was a meeting landmark on their campus through most of the 19th century. Simplified shield versions of their original seal had the lone pine. In 2018, they moved to the new “D-Pine” logo to replace their old shield.

[www.nhpr.org]

Dartmouth-Logo-History.jpg

Pretty cool tbh. Definitely an upgrade.

stereax

Trotsky

BearLover
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH 
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth

Yeesh. I've only been alive for two of these.

But yeah, agreeing with Tom (I think) that this might be the turning point that lights a fire under the asses of the Big Red. You can't let that happen.

I certainly hope that’s what happens, but I’m not making any predictions. I feel like the range for this team is first round bye and conference title on the good end all the way down to bottom half finish and first round exit, and neither of those would surprise me. Makes things tough to predict.

I’ll just try to enjoy the ride as best I can.

stereax
Pretty cool tbh. Definitely an upgrade.

Damn clever. Both a tree and a signpost for "oh the places you'll go."

But it's still a glorified prep school for rich kids who couldn't get into Yale.

Or Bennington.

I believe that is the only time in my life I have seen mode referred to correctly in the wild outside of a textbook.

There’s no doubt that was a rough game and the scene at the end has left a pretty bad taste. They were dominated right out of the gate and Shane did everything he could to keep them in that game. I even thought that the guy who scored the first goal bumped into Shane on his way through the crease to get wide open. I was wondering if they had considered a challenge but based on their lack of success so far this year I guess it wasn’t worth risking the timeout that early in the game. Do any other teams block/tip more pucks into their own net than Cornell? Penney got right out to make that play and it still finds a way to flutter in. They finally discovered their game after digging the 3-0 hole. The Fegaras goal and the chance he had a little later on make me think he has his thumb free of the splint and is back to being fully healthy. They were flying during the latter part of the period and I thought once Psenicka drew that penalty they would be headed to the third only down one. Instead they never gained possession of the puck during the entire two minutes and the opportunity they had worked so hard to get went to waste. The third period is where I thought the refs let the game slip away. I thought there were two opportunities to snuff out some of the trouble that later led to things boiling over. When McDonald rode Kempf from the circles and into the boards on the icing, I thought that guy should have been given two and a game misconduct. The intent to hurt someone should be just that whether that person gets hurt or not. The auto icing rule was put in to prevent that type of play and there’s no longer supposed to be any room in the game for that kind of thing. That guy got out of the box and continued to run around undeterred. The second missed opportunity to lower the temperature was when Stanley took his penalty with three minutes to go. He too should have been given a game misconduct and sent to the locker room. Why are they allowing guys who are losing their composure to return to action, especially that late in the game? Maybe it doesn’t ultimately make a difference but the lack of control didn’t help and they should shoulder a lot of blame for things getting out of hand. I have seen plenty of players gesture to the student section after big plays. What happened yesterday took it too far. They lingered in that corner like they had advanced in a playoff series instead of lining up for handshakes. What they were doing had nothing to do with celebrating with each other. I’m not surprised that after getting creamed like that the guys took matters into their own hands. I haven’t rewatched the brawl and was hoping to put it out of my mind but then when I was playing knee hockey with my kiddo, he jumped me after he had run up the score so I guess I won’t be able to move on as quickly as I’d like to. It’s too bad that in such an important game and coming off of that terrific win Friday things went so sour. It’s only one game but it could have an impact on the upcoming weekend with the suspensions. Maybe we can look back on the incident as a positive turning point in the season. All I know is that I hope the hockey gods have a rematch in store whether it be second round in Hanover in front of all twenty five of their fans or in Lake Placid so that Cornel can end their season once again. Sign me up for that please.

Ow.

To my memory, this is the first game this season where a good number of the poster's here have called out our effort level.

The coaches have been quoted after a good number of games questioning the effort level.

Apart from injuries, effort seems to be the next biggest problem. That's a leadership problem in the locker room, and not on the coaches.

abmarks
To my memory, this is the first game this season where a good number of the poster's here have called out our effort level.

The coaches have been quoted after a good number of games questioning the effort level.

Apart from injuries, effort seems to be the next biggest problem. That's a leadership problem in the locker room, and not on the coaches.

Embarrassing levels of cope here. First of all, show me where “a good number of posters called out our effort level.” Second of all, after any loss any season there’s a very high chance Schafer calls out the effort level. Happens multiple times every year. Third of all, why (according to you) is poor effort not on the coaches??? Huh? The coaches aren’t in charge of getting the players to play hard?

Your premise is absurd because one of the few things that HAS been good this year has been the effort level. The players on this team compete really hard. In all the pages of me and others complaining about the team this season, effort has probably been cited the least of every plausible cause of our struggles, and for good reason.

Your claim that poor effort is not a coaching issue is the funniest part of your post. In like the fourth weekend of the season I apparently broke everybody’s brains by writing something extremely benign along he lines of: “our terrible special teams and repeated mental lapses suggest to me that our struggles are partly the result of a coaching issue.” I didn’t call anybody a bad coach or call for anybody to be fired. I said the coaching as of week four seemed lacking and everybody on here went crazy and now they’re making fools of themselves jumping through hoops trying to claim things like the coaches aren’t responsible when the team doesn’t try LOL.

BearLover
Embarrassing levels of cope here.

That is not how we treat each other on this forum. I know it is ubiquitous in the rest of the social media world. Sometimes it may be hard to distinguish our joking around with each other with that calculated rudeness that is the witless man's attempt at an authenticity drag act. But this is not reddit. We do not do that here. Clean it up.

VIEWfromK
There’s no doubt that was a rough game and the scene at the end has left a pretty bad taste. They were dominated right out of the gate and Shane did everything he could to keep them in that game. I even thought that the guy who scored the first goal bumped into Shane on his way through the crease to get wide open. I was wondering if they had considered a challenge but based on their lack of success so far this year I guess it wasn’t worth risking the timeout that early in the game. Do any other teams block/tip more pucks into their own net than Cornell? Penney got right out to make that play and it still finds a way to flutter in. They finally discovered their game after digging the 3-0 hole. The Fegaras goal and the chance he had a little later on make me think he has his thumb free of the splint and is back to being fully healthy. They were flying during the latter part of the period and I thought once Psenicka drew that penalty they would be headed to the third only down one. Instead they never gained possession of the puck during the entire two minutes and the opportunity they had worked so hard to get went to waste. The third period is where I thought the refs let the game slip away. I thought there were two opportunities to snuff out some of the trouble that later led to things boiling over. When McDonald rode Kempf from the circles and into the boards on the icing, I thought that guy should have been given two and a game misconduct. The intent to hurt someone should be just that whether that person gets hurt or not. The auto icing rule was put in to prevent that type of play and there’s no longer supposed to be any room in the game for that kind of thing. That guy got out of the box and continued to run around undeterred. The second missed opportunity to lower the temperature was when Stanley took his penalty with three minutes to go. He too should have been given a game misconduct and sent to the locker room. Why are they allowing guys who are losing their composure to return to action, especially that late in the game? Maybe it doesn’t ultimately make a difference but the lack of control didn’t help and they should shoulder a lot of blame for things getting out of hand. I have seen plenty of players gesture to the student section after big plays. What happened yesterday took it too far. They lingered in that corner like they had advanced in a playoff series instead of lining up for handshakes. What they were doing had nothing to do with celebrating with each other. I’m not surprised that after getting creamed like that the guys took matters into their own hands. I haven’t rewatched the brawl and was hoping to put it out of my mind but then when I was playing knee hockey with my kiddo, he jumped me after he had run up the score so I guess I won’t be able to move on as quickly as I’d like to. It’s too bad that in such an important game and coming off of that terrific win Friday things went so sour. It’s only one game but it could have an impact on the upcoming weekend with the suspensions. Maybe we can look back on the incident as a positive turning point in the season. All I know is that I hope the hockey gods have a rematch in store whether it be second round in Hanover in front of all twenty five of their fans or in Lake Placid so that Cornel can end their season once again. Sign me up for that please.

The Kempf non-penalty was egregiously bad. I was shocked they called NOTHING on the play. Clear whistle, the Dart goes in ANYWAY to slam a by-that-point-unaware Kempf into the boards and I'd be surprised if it didn't leave him banged up.

Dartmouth for sure was taunting the student section specifically. I think there's a difference between "fun and games" messing around (Croteau in the final minutes letting us do the "bend over" chant and playing along before leaning dramatically on his crossbar and striking a pose while Cornell failed to gain possession, again) and specific disrespect to the Lynah Faithful (cellying in front of the student section like they won the natty). I'm glad the Big Red didn't take that shit from them. I'm glad there's at least THAT fire in the team. (Though I do think the effort levels are higher than others think; I do see the team getting frustrated after bad possessions or missing chances. I don't think they're giving up. It feels a lot more like they just haven't been able to put it together consistently.)

100% agreed, again, the brawl could be a pivotal point in this season. As I said earlier, they've got fans, at Lynah and outside of it, who want them to succeed, badly. Hopefully the energy of the fanbase rubs off on them and they understand that that shit just can't happen again. You can't let yourself get embarrassed like that, especially not on home ice. You're gonna let fucking Dartmouth do that to you? Dartmouth??? No. Can't fucking happen again. Dear hockey gods, please let this arrogance not go unpunished.

I don't know about the state of the locker room and don't pay attention to the interviews like some other folks here do, but I do think the team lost a lot of intangible strengths with Seger's departure. I imagine suspensions will be announced today or tomorrow so we should soon have a better idea of what the roster will look like for this weekend.

stereax

CU2007
Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

One of the Cornell-affiliated ladies said the league is going to review it before anything official is said. I'm assuming they have some video to watch. HIGHLY doubt their video feed would cut off the second the game ends. I know the coaches told the media guys not to turn off the camera until the refs came back out to announce the penalties, which they never did. Hold on, I got ESPN+, let me rewatch from last night.

Suda took a run at a Dart after the horn sounded... then Dart goes to celly in front of the student section... and then Cornell goes to beat em up. I think first man in is O'Leary simply due to height. Penney gets in it too. Catalano is def scrapping. There's DeSantis flipping a Dart over. Dart's starter and Keopple havin a chat, unaffected; ditto Katz, Shane, and the backup. Ondrej Psenicka is very tall. I think that's Schafer walking over. (I've been spelling it Schaefer this whole time. Fuck me.) Penney still shoving. O'Leary and Pennet helmetless. O'Leary still complaining. And then they're off, Penney and Casty share their post-game hug and scatter.

You can definitely tell who's scrapping because they WANT to (O'Leary, Penney, Catalano, DeSantis, Walsh, Stanley, Kempf, Kraft, Rego, Rayhill...) and those who are mostly there because everyone else is (Fegaras, Castagna, Robertson, Kovich, Psenicka, O'Brien...) as well as the mixed-bag guys (Suda, Mack, Bancroft...) And this is just off the ESPN feed. I'm SURE the NCAA has more cameras.

I don’t agree with your assessment of the guys WANTING to fight. I just rewatched everything twice (ESPN+ and the video you posted). It appears that some of those you listed were each holding back along with a Dartmouth player. I see things differently than you and would hate to give someone a bad rap unjustly-that’s my take

stereax
The Kempf non-penalty was egregiously bad. I was shocked they called NOTHING on the play.]

They did give MacDonald 2 for hitting after the whistle, but they definitely could have gotten more heavy-handed and tacked on a few 10-minute misconducts (for both teams) with all the nonsense/instigation stuff that happened in the latter parts of the third. That would have at least gotten some of the "brawl" participants off the ice earlier.

Trotsky

BearLover
Embarrassing levels of cope here.

That is not how we treat each other on this forum. I know it is ubiquitous in the rest of the social media world. Sometimes it may be hard to distinguish our joking around with each other with that calculated rudeness that is the witless man's attempt at an authenticity drag act. But this is not reddit. We do not do that here. Clean it up.

This dude has been stalking me and calling me clownlover for months

Trotsky

BearLover
Embarrassing levels of cope here.

That is not how we treat each other on this forum. I know it is ubiquitous in the rest of the social media world. Sometimes it may be hard to distinguish our joking around with each other with that calculated rudeness that is the witless man's attempt at an authenticity drag act. But this is not reddit. We do not do that here. Clean it up.

Trotsky chastising anyone for online ungentlemanly behavior.

Trotsky
Ow.

Scriptio continua - Even at 82, I never fail to learn something new on eLynah!

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

If you get a chance, check out the YTD cumulative stats- team and individual
I find it interesting

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I’m not saying those expectations were ridiculous, especially given the strong NCAA appearance, merely that they were inflated by a hot run against weak competition and one good weekend in the NCAAs. I think about it like this - had Q not laid an egg in the SF and beaten Cornell in the finals as expected nobody would’ve been talking about national championship contention as a baseline expectation for a team with 10 sophomores that watched the NCAAs on TV the previous season.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

So yeah, disappointment is justified. I think the only thing that’ll fix this season is guys getting healthy and staying healthy and getting the time to get back to the level of fitness and execution they need to succeed. Fortunately, they seem to be getting back to full strength (pending suspension news). Unfortunately, time is running short even for a strong RS position. They might just have to win 6 games in the playoffs, which is a tall order even in a down year for the conference.

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

Dartmouth players celebrate the 6-1 toppling of Cornell near the primo student sections (A and B, nearest to the visitor net periods 1/3) perhaps as payback for Cornell fans getting in Dartmouth's collective head during the game. Followed by Cornell also skating over to Sec A-B, followed by pushing, shoving, grabbing and some swinging arms.

End of game penalties:
Cornell 69 minutes including 3 game disqualifications (Penney, O'Leary, Stanley)
Dartmouth 69 minutes including 3 game disqualifications (Fusco, Pierce, Silverberg)

First photo: Dartmouth celebrating at game's end, in front of student sections A & B
Second photo: Pushing, shoving, three game misconducts per side

Tom Lento

They might just have to win 6 games in the playoffs, which is a tall order even in a down year for the conference.

It's down to five right with the first round now a winner take all single game?

BearLover

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

Maybe they were all hungover after the Beat Harvard Victory Party.

Trotsky
Ow.

Sorry, I went to school on the other hill.

BearLover

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

I suspect you grossly underestimate the knock on effects injuries have in terms of practice time and fitness. Penney is back, but did he look like his old self Saturday, or maybe like a guy who was a step slow despite limited minutes? What does it tell you that he was out there instead of another player in mid-season form? Fegaras has been back for what, 4 games? And he’s finally looking like himself now, two weeks after being cleared to play? Again, why play him instead of someone who isn’t still recovering from a broken wrist? The answer is that these guys at less than 100% are better than the alternatives - the same alternatives who were forced into unfamiliar roles in their absence.

Also, yes, every team has injuries. Not every team loses their senior captain for nearly half the season, one of their top young defensemen for 1/3 of the season, and several other regular shift players - mostly upperclassmen - for ~1/4 of the season. That kind of thrash causes absolute havoc with lines, and makes it all but impossible to focus adequate practice time on such niceties as power play configurations and breakout sets.

I don’t envy the coaches or the players. This has been a rough season to date. They should, nevertheless, have won a few more games. Splitting with Dartmouth and taking maximum points from Yale and Brown was well within reach even accounting for the injuries. But that’s within normal variance in a sport like hockey.

In the end, it kind of doesn’t matter - the regular season is likely a bust. The thing to hope for is they get healthy and get it together in time for a big playoff run. Absent that, this will be a short season, and Schafer’s tenure will go out with a whimper.

Tom Lento

BearLover

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

I suspect you grossly underestimate the knock on effects injuries have in terms of practice time and fitness. Penney is back, but did he look like his old self Saturday, or maybe like a guy who was a step slow despite limited minutes? What does it tell you that he was out there instead of another player in mid-season form? Fegaras has been back for what, 4 games? And he’s finally looking like himself now, two weeks after being cleared to play? Again, why play him instead of someone who isn’t still recovering from a broken wrist? The answer is that these guys at less than 100% are better than the alternatives - the same alternatives who were forced into unfamiliar roles in their absence.

Also, yes, every team has injuries. Not every team loses their senior captain for nearly half the season, one of their top young defensemen for 1/3 of the season, and several other regular shift players - mostly upperclassmen - for ~1/4 of the season. That kind of thrash causes absolute havoc with lines, and makes it all but impossible to focus adequate practice time on such niceties as power play configurations and breakout sets.

I don’t envy the coaches or the players. This has been a rough season to date. They should, nevertheless, have won a few more games. Splitting with Dartmouth and taking maximum points from Yale and Brown was well within reach even accounting for the injuries. But that’s within normal variance in a sport like hockey.

In the end, it kind of doesn’t matter - the regular season is likely a bust. The thing to hope for is they get healthy and get it together in time for a big playoff run. Absent that, this will be a short season, and Schafer’s tenure will go out with a whimper.

TBH Fegaras looked like one of our better players as soon as he returned. Fair enough on the rest of your post—I really don’t know. In the 2018-19 season we had even worse injury luck but still made the NCAAs as a 3-seed and would have won the ECAC if not for several blown calls by the refs and freak injuries in the ECAC final.

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Trotsky
Ow.

Sorry, I went to school on the other hill.

Mons Capitolinus?

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Tom Lento

They might just have to win 6 games in the playoffs, which is a tall order even in a down year for the conference.

It's down to five right with the first round now a winner take all single game?

Correct.

Tom Lento

BearLover

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

I suspect you grossly underestimate the knock on effects injuries have in terms of practice time and fitness. Penney is back, but did he look like his old self Saturday, or maybe like a guy who was a step slow despite limited minutes? What does it tell you that he was out there instead of another player in mid-season form? Fegaras has been back for what, 4 games? And he’s finally looking like himself now, two weeks after being cleared to play? Again, why play him instead of someone who isn’t still recovering from a broken wrist? The answer is that these guys at less than 100% are better than the alternatives - the same alternatives who were forced into unfamiliar roles in their absence.

Also, yes, every team has injuries. Not every team loses their senior captain for nearly half the season, one of their top young defensemen for 1/3 of the season, and several other regular shift players - mostly upperclassmen - for ~1/4 of the season. That kind of thrash causes absolute havoc with lines, and makes it all but impossible to focus adequate practice time on such niceties as power play configurations and breakout sets.

I don’t envy the coaches or the players. This has been a rough season to date. They should, nevertheless, have won a few more games. Splitting with Dartmouth and taking maximum points from Yale and Brown was well within reach even accounting for the injuries. But that’s within normal variance in a sport like hockey.

In the end, it kind of doesn’t matter - the regular season is likely a bust. The thing to hope for is they get healthy and get it together in time for a big playoff run. Absent that, this will be a short season, and Schafer’s tenure will go out with a whimper.

And with all the flu/norovirus/crud going around, which lingers trust me, who knows who's playing at 70% because of a cough that stuck around a month or the general toll that can take- even on a 20 year old, it can really take it out of you.

BearLover

TBH Fegaras looked like one of our better players as soon as he returned. Fair enough on the rest of your post—I really don’t know. In the 2018-19 season we had even worse injury luck but still made the NCAAs as a 3-seed and would have won the ECAC if not for several blown calls by the refs and freak injuries in the ECAC final.

That team was more talented than this one, especially on defense (Green, Kaldis, Nuttle, Smith, and McCrea are much better than the current D corps) and in net (obviously Galajda). Also, the conference was better overall. My point being that that team was in a better position to overcome the injury plague that season.

Iceberg

BearLover

TBH Fegaras looked like one of our better players as soon as he returned. Fair enough on the rest of your post—I really don’t know. In the 2018-19 season we had even worse injury luck but still made the NCAAs as a 3-seed and would have won the ECAC if not for several blown calls by the refs and freak injuries in the ECAC final.

That team was more talented than this one, especially on defense (Green, Kaldis, Nuttle, Smith, and McCrea are much better than the current D corps) and in net (obviously Galajda). Also, the conference was better overall. My point being that that team was in a better position to overcome the injury plague that season.

I don’t think most of us would have said this year’s team was less talented before this season started. Comparable, maybe. Also, the conference being better is a wash for Pairwise purposes and actively hurtful for conference standing purposes.

Trotsky

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Trotsky
Ow.

Sorry, I went to school on the other hill.

Mons Capitolinus?

Not even close

fastforward

stereax

CU2007
Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

One of the Cornell-affiliated ladies said the league is going to review it before anything official is said. I'm assuming they have some video to watch. HIGHLY doubt their video feed would cut off the second the game ends. I know the coaches told the media guys not to turn off the camera until the refs came back out to announce the penalties, which they never did. Hold on, I got ESPN+, let me rewatch from last night.

Suda took a run at a Dart after the horn sounded... then Dart goes to celly in front of the student section... and then Cornell goes to beat em up. I think first man in is O'Leary simply due to height. Penney gets in it too. Catalano is def scrapping. There's DeSantis flipping a Dart over. Dart's starter and Keopple havin a chat, unaffected; ditto Katz, Shane, and the backup. Ondrej Psenicka is very tall. I think that's Schafer walking over. (I've been spelling it Schaefer this whole time. Fuck me.) Penney still shoving. O'Leary and Pennet helmetless. O'Leary still complaining. And then they're off, Penney and Casty share their post-game hug and scatter.

You can definitely tell who's scrapping because they WANT to (O'Leary, Penney, Catalano, DeSantis, Walsh, Stanley, Kempf, Kraft, Rego, Rayhill...) and those who are mostly there because everyone else is (Fegaras, Castagna, Robertson, Kovich, Psenicka, O'Brien...) as well as the mixed-bag guys (Suda, Mack, Bancroft...) And this is just off the ESPN feed. I'm SURE the NCAA has more cameras.

I don’t agree with your assessment of the guys WANTING to fight. I just rewatched everything twice (ESPN+ and the video you posted). It appears that some of those you listed were each holding back along with a Dartmouth player. I see things differently than you and would hate to give someone a bad rap unjustly-that’s my take

I don't mean the guys wanting to fight is a bad thing; au contraire, I think it's a good thing when you're sticking up for your teammates and team like that. Not saying the guys who were less enthused (to my eyes) are doing anything wrong either, though, because there's definitely a value in staying level-headed even when others on your team are going off. The first four were 100% getting their licks in, I saw Walsh scrumming it up to the right along with I think Rayhill, Rego was shaking a ref off him to try to go after someone, I don't remember off the top of my head the other three.

The Rancor

Tom Lento

BearLover

Tom Lento

ugarte

Tom Lento

George64

...I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes...

in our defense, after a smoking hot spring semester, we beat maine and damn near took out denver. that said, if we were over our skis in expecting a top 5 team, what we've seen has been disappointing even if we had more realistic expectations of being a clear 3-4 seed band squad.

I agree that this season to date has been disappointing relative to any reasonable pre-season expectation. I also contend the gap between pre-season expectations and where they are isn’t really a mystery - they’ve been crushed by injuries. Personally, I’d put season to date on the disappointing end of the injury-adjusted expectation spectrum, but well within what’s normal.

Citing injuries as the number one reason seems incorrect. This past weekend we got Penney back and lost at home to Dartmouth 6-1. Yes, we have injuries. So does every other team. Are ours worse than average? Yes, but not by so much that they come anywhere close to fully explaining our struggles. Shane has been (apparently) healthy the whole season, and the first PP unit (until Major’s recent injury) as well. Yet those are by far the two biggest weaknesses of this team.

I suspect you grossly underestimate the knock on effects injuries have in terms of practice time and fitness. Penney is back, but did he look like his old self Saturday, or maybe like a guy who was a step slow despite limited minutes? What does it tell you that he was out there instead of another player in mid-season form? Fegaras has been back for what, 4 games? And he’s finally looking like himself now, two weeks after being cleared to play? Again, why play him instead of someone who isn’t still recovering from a broken wrist? The answer is that these guys at less than 100% are better than the alternatives - the same alternatives who were forced into unfamiliar roles in their absence.

Also, yes, every team has injuries. Not every team loses their senior captain for nearly half the season, one of their top young defensemen for 1/3 of the season, and several other regular shift players - mostly upperclassmen - for ~1/4 of the season. That kind of thrash causes absolute havoc with lines, and makes it all but impossible to focus adequate practice time on such niceties as power play configurations and breakout sets.

I don’t envy the coaches or the players. This has been a rough season to date. They should, nevertheless, have won a few more games. Splitting with Dartmouth and taking maximum points from Yale and Brown was well within reach even accounting for the injuries. But that’s within normal variance in a sport like hockey.

In the end, it kind of doesn’t matter - the regular season is likely a bust. The thing to hope for is they get healthy and get it together in time for a big playoff run. Absent that, this will be a short season, and Schafer’s tenure will go out with a whimper.

And with all the flu/norovirus/crud going around, which lingers trust me, who knows who's playing at 70% because of a cough that stuck around a month or the general toll that can take- even on a 20 year old, it can really take it out of you.

Hell, we don't even know if Shane is playing at 100% or if Schafer and co are trotting him out because they don't trust Keopple or Katz.

I swear, I've been trying to keep up with lines but it feels damn near impossible with the amount of people out and the shuffling that's been going on. It's impossible to form chemistry when you're getting thrown on the ice with anyone in the coach's line of sight.

At this point I just want to see the guys start to get it together in time for the playoffs. If it's more games than we "should have" been playing, so be it. Not having a bye isn't the end of the world. Just get back to your game, get healthy, and set your sights on the next thing.

Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

since we don't know if anyone is sick, and we also don't know if other teams are dealing with illnesses, please work out the "what ifs" with your therapist and maybe stick with what you see and let yourself be disappointed by losing. you don't have to bemoan it but you also don't need to rush to excuse it. sit with it. sometimes bad things happen.

Abridged email from coach Schafer:

This past weekend I saw the highs and lows of coaching. It was a fantastic win on Friday against our rival. We played hard and well most of the night. This is always a tough weekend because Harvard and Dartmouth are complete opposites. What one team does is completely different than the other one

On Friday night, we came out flying and played hard and well most of the night against our rival. We had the usual festivities by the fans before the game, but the rink crew did a super and quick job in clearing off the ice. They were well-prepared and so were we. Harvard did not get a shot on goal until five minutes into the game. . . .

And now for the ugly. I don’t understand how you can play so hard most of the night, and then come out the next night and play so poorly. We lacked the execution and tenacity to win back to back. It was a chippy game all night, and ended with a brawl after the final whistle. . . .

Our guys were frustrated and unfortunately let their frustrations show at the end of the night. We will have some suspensions and will need to rally in the North Country. We take on St. Lawrence on Friday night, and Clarkson Saturday evening. . . .

As always, the guys appreciate your support on the road.

arugula
Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

Wheel of Suspensions at it again.

arugula
Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

Sadly, the ECAC stopped announcing suspensions years ago. I've railed about this for many years.

Here's one such screed:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

"Team was gassed [vs. Dartmouth"? Perhaps: emotionally drained from the Harvard high, perhaps. Or perhaps if we check the playing time per player, we'll see a heavier load on the first two lines on account of lines 3 and 4 played relatively fewer minutes, since they have less 2024-25 game experience. That's my guess.

adamw

arugula
Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

Sadly, the ECAC stopped announcing suspensions years ago. I've railed about this for many years.

Here's one such screed:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Fascinating. Positively Soviet. So we'll have to figure it out Friday night. I'm available if needed at left wing.

billhoward
"Team was gassed [vs. Dartmouth"? Perhaps: emotionally drained from the Harvard high, perhaps. Or perhaps if we check the playing time per player, we'll see a heavier load on the first two lines on account of lines 3 and 4 played relatively fewer minutes, since they have less 2024-25 game experience. That's my guess.

I would tend to agree with your assessment

Iceberg

BearLover

TBH Fegaras looked like one of our better players as soon as he returned. Fair enough on the rest of your post—I really don’t know. In the 2018-19 season we had even worse injury luck but still made the NCAAs as a 3-seed and would have won the ECAC if not for several blown calls by the refs and freak injuries in the ECAC final.

That team was more talented than this one, especially on defense (Green, Kaldis, Nuttle, Smith, and McCrea are much better than the current D corps) and in net (obviously Galajda). Also, the conference was better overall. My point being that that team was in a better position to overcome the injury plague that season.

Looking at the stats from that season and this one they may have been a bit luckier with who missed most of the games and how the injuries were distributed. IIRC Andreev had the worst luck with injuries that year, and that’s why he only played 2/3 of the season, but he was just a freshman and it seems like most of their top players were available and productive for the dominant majority of the games.

arugula

adamw

arugula
Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

Sadly, the ECAC stopped announcing suspensions years ago. I've railed about this for many years.

Here's one such screed:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Fascinating. Positively Soviet. So we'll have to figure it out Friday night. I'm available if needed at left wing.

I heard Schafer is going back on D... haha

arugula

adamw

arugula
Will the ECAC ever get around to announcing supplementary discipline? Or will we find out Friday night when the teams hit the ice.

Sadly, the ECAC stopped announcing suspensions years ago. I've railed about this for many years.

Here's one such screed:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Fascinating. Positively Soviet. So we'll have to figure it out Friday night. I'm available if needed at left wing.

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

There’s the three automatic on Friday but there was a sense there may be additional dqs. For example, DeSantjs and Schafer.

Good time Wallace or Devlin or Murray or Donaldson or Mosko or Major to get healthy. I’m sure I forgot someone.

Desperate times call for.....

Call up Sam Malinski and put a "Devlin" jersey on him???

Snowball
Desperate times call for.....

Call up Sam Malinski and put a "Devlin" jersey on him???

How bout Gabe Seger? Malinski might be too obvious...

Welcome Seger!

Trotsky
I believe that is the only time in my life I have seen mode referred to correctly in the wild outside of a textbook.

You need more data scientists in your social circles.

pjd8

Trotsky
I believe that is the only time in my life I have seen mode referred to correctly in the wild outside of a textbook.

You need more data scientists in your social circles.

Do I, though?

Trotsky

pjd8

Trotsky
I believe that is the only time in my life I have seen mode referred to correctly in the wild outside of a textbook.

You need more data scientists in your social circles.

Do I, though?

I think you need more data to be sure.

adamw

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

Is there precedent for supplemental suspensions beyond the auto DQ? This is a pretty unique situation that doesn’t come up much but I didn’t know if anyone could recall other instances?

Long-time fan. I attended my first game in about 1965. I learned to skate on Lynah ice. My wife and I return to Ithaca several times each season...and catch the team all over (MSG, Tempe, Las Vegas, Lansing, Ohio, LP, and ECAC rinks in recent years). Is there any update on suspensions and Schafer's potential absence from the north country games or others?

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adamw

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

Is there precedent for supplemental suspensions beyond the auto DQ? This is a pretty unique situation that doesn’t come up much but I didn’t know if anyone could recall other instances?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

[www.timesunion.com]

[cornellsun.com]

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adamw

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

Is there precedent for supplemental suspensions beyond the auto DQ? This is a pretty unique situation that doesn’t come up much but I didn’t know if anyone could recall other instances?

Sah already linked to an article about the Mayor's Cup brawl from 10 years ago. That was probably the last big incident in the conference before this past Saturday

Steven Bronfenbrenner
Long-time fan. I attended my first game in about 1965. I learned to skate on Lynah ice. My wife and I return to Ithaca several times each season...and catch the team all over (MSG, Tempe, Las Vegas, Lansing, Ohio, LP, and ECAC rinks in recent years). Is there any update on suspensions and Schafer's potential absence from the north country games or others?

Nothin' yet. :/

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adamw

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

Is there precedent for supplemental suspensions beyond the auto DQ? This is a pretty unique situation that doesn’t come up much but I didn’t know if anyone could recall other instances?

It happens multiple times per year in each league. You just never hear about it in the ECAC -- since 2019.

adamw

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adamw

Actually, you'll have to figure it out Saturday night. Friday will be 3 automatic suspensions for getting Game DQs. Saturday would be the supplemental.

Is there precedent for supplemental suspensions beyond the auto DQ? This is a pretty unique situation that doesn’t come up much but I didn’t know if anyone could recall other instances?

It happens multiple times per year in each league. You just never hear about it in the ECAC -- since 2019.

There are other leagues!?

Brawls are always counter productive.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

ice
Brawls are always counter productive.

Almost always.

Trotsky

ice
Brawls are always counter productive.

Almost always.

Good point.

Some of the gray guys in the image are getting their fort names reinstated.

stereax
Kovich in the box too. No idea why. Catalano and friend from Dartmouth trapped in box.

Everybody's playing tough these days, even accidentally. From The Athletic/NYT report on basketball top 25 this week and No. 10 Texas Tech. Once, I'd like to see an Athletic scribe cover the White House for a week, and, say, Glenn Thrush cover college hoops, then see whose copy reads better.