Cornell vs Dartmouth 1/25/25

Delayed penalty on Cornell, Dartmouth pulled goalie.

I think we should give Ian Shane a gun

stereax
Kovich in the box too. No idea why. Catalano and friend from Dartmouth trapped in box.

He took a retaliatory chop at a Dartmouth player’s thigh right in front of the ref.

stereax
Delayed penalty on Cornell, Dartmouth pulled goalie.

Stanley AND Walsh in the box. Yippee.

VIEWfromK
Beware of the let down

Forget it Jake. It’s always Dartmouth.

sah67

stereax
Kovich in the box too. No idea why. Catalano and friend from Dartmouth trapped in box.

He took a retaliatory chop at a Dartmouth player’s thigh right in front of the ref.

Didn't see it. Dartmouth goalie is playing with the crowd with bending over. Legend tbh.

Welp. Fantastic game for the PK.

And a fight to end the game. Why.
Oh.
Dartmouth decided to taunt the student section. Bench brawl. Fuck yeah.

And now a line brawl after Dartmouth decides to celebrate in front of B and taunt the students en masse.

Schafer looked like he came very close to getting physical with Carusone. CJ pulled him away.

Shane broke his stick walking out. Woof.

sah67
Schafer looked like he came very close to getting physical with Carusone. CJ pulled him away.

What does he have to lose?

It seemed like Cashman was maybe laying into his own players for that BS they pulled at the end, but it was hard to tell.

Bad game. Forget about it. Take em in Lake Placid.

Hopefully that puts a fire under the team. You can't let that shit happen.

We have had bad games. This was a bad game. The coaches will, um, inspire self-reflection.

ice
Bad game. Forget about it. Take em in Lake Placid.

This.

Glad I stayed for the fight, I think Penney and oleary will get suspended which is very bad given how thin we are at forward.

sah67
It seemed like Cashman was maybe laying into his own players for that BS they pulled at the end, but it was hard to tell.

Pretty sure the seniors are Gaudet holdovers, but yeah, I'd imagine he was surprised that it escalated at the end. You just want your team to get out of there without further incident. I fully expect there to be a few suspensions

Trotsky
We have had bad games. This was a bad game. The coaches will, um, inspire self-reflection.

Schaefer tearing the team a new one, you mean, LOL. Refs still deliberating. Won't leave until they do.
Guy in the back was saying he's never seen that shit before, I said what are they gonna do, suspend everyone, he said exactly, and I followed up with "get ready for sixty minutes of Jimmy Rayhill next game". Got a good laugh.

chimpfood
Glad I stayed for the fight, I think Penney and oleary will get suspended which is very bad given how thin we are at forward.

The Lynah Unfaithful (section C people who dip when the score gets bad) missed the best part of the game. Sucks to be them.

Hangin out until we get the verdict. Basically just me, the coaches I think, the video staff, and a few guys clustered around Section A.

Media guy's inputting penalties and said Penney, O'Leary, and someone else. Coach asks if suspensions, media guy says they didn't say anything.

stereax
Media guy's inputting penalties and said Penney, O'Leary, and someone else. Coach asks if suspensions, media guy says they didn't say anything.

"How bad is it? Fifteen?"

14.

5 Dartmouth, 9 Cornell. 3 fights each side.

3, 23, 86?

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Schafer get at least an unsportsmanlike.

Still waitin for the official verdict, ahaha.

Sounds like the refs left, but the Cornell bench was told to stay here...

Live stats is showing 10 minute miscondcucts for five players on each team, and then additional minor roughing calls for Penney and DeSantis and two Dartmouth players.

Penney, O’Leary, Stanley. Dq

Does that come with auto suspension?

"The guy who scored the game winner, he goes right over to Krafty and goes like this" [mimics a guy flexing his biceps directly in other coach's face] - Schaefer, I think

arugula
Penney, O’Leary, Stanley. Dq

Does that come with auto suspension?

That is my understanding.

Sending video I think to the NCAA... so they're not saying anything in terms of action. Informally, 3 players on each team will likely be suspended, but they're not gonna make the decision, I think.

stereax
"The guy who scored the game winner, he goes right over to Krafty and goes like this" [mimics a guy flexing his biceps directly in other coach's face] - Schaefer, I think

I definitely saw that, but I think an argument could be made that the guy was flexing to his teammates and Kraft happened to be in the way.

At least that’s what I thought at the time, since I was surprised that Kraft (or anyone else) had no reaction to the “flex”.

Only dropped one spot in pwr.

stereax
Sending video I think to the NCAA... so they're not saying anything in terms of action. Informally, 3 players on each team will likely be suspended, but they're not gonna make the decision, I think.

So no report tonight, officially. Heading out. Had a nice chat with some Dartmouth fans, now gonna wait a few before I head out so I don't freeze to death waiting for the bus.

The CHN box score is now showing the penalties roughly along the lines of what stereax reported:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

stereax

stereax
Sending video I think to the NCAA... so they're not saying anything in terms of action. Informally, 3 players on each team will likely be suspended, but they're not gonna make the decision, I think.

So no report tonight, officially. Heading out. Had a nice chat with some Dartmouth fans, now gonna wait a few before I head out so I don't freeze to death waiting for the bus.

And cue project "standing in the halls at Lynah avoiding eye contact with every young man in a suit cause I'm pretty sure they all want to punch me for the shit I give them". So far, pretty good success.

Finally on the bus home. Final stereupdate of the night: The guys I saw heading out looked like they were in mostly good spirits. Obviously bummed about the loss but not too upset. I think the fight did a lot for team morale.

Where do we even go from here? It’s clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we’re looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

chimpfood
another letdown day from Shane

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard. Would like to see another Keopple start though.

stereax

chimpfood
another letdown day from Shane

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard. Would like to see another Keopple start though.

5 goals allowed on 29 shots is really bad, no matter the context. And hes been poor all season so im sure not gonna make excuses for him

chimpfood

stereax

chimpfood
another letdown day from Shane

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard. Would like to see another Keopple start though.

5 goals allowed on 29 shots is really bad, no matter the context. And hes been poor all season so im sure not gonna make excuses for him

Hasn't been great, no, but the defense did him zero favors, and saying otherwise is inaccurate at best.

Well. That was on the nose.

Be fun to see Dartmouth in the playoffs at least.

chimpfood
Where do we even go from here? It’s clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we’re looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

Friday is SLU. I could see Keopple getting the start there

Iceberg

chimpfood
Where do we even go from here? It’s clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we’re looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

Friday is SLU. I could see Keopple getting the start there

We'll also be down like 3 or so skaters to suspensions...

Iceberg

chimpfood
Where do we even go from here? It’s clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we’re looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

Friday is SLU. I could see Keopple getting the start there

Youre right, not sure why I had that backwards. That makes it easier, start keopple Friday and the starter Saturday depends on his performance. Also helps that we should be able to gut out a win against SLU even if a few guys get suspended (hopefully just one game but who knows).

stereax

chimpfood

stereax

chimpfood
another letdown day from Shane

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard. Would like to see another Keopple start though.

5 goals allowed on 29 shots is really bad, no matter the context. And hes been poor all season so im sure not gonna make excuses for him

Hasn't been great, no, but the defense did him zero favors, and saying otherwise is inaccurate at best.

Agreed. All game Tim Vanini talked about how they were getting beaten in the corners by Dartmouth. They were not skating like an inspired team, more like they had poured it all out the night before with Harvard. We used to be able to get away with that when Dartmouth sucked. They don't suck anymore.

pjd8

stereax

chimpfood

stereax

chimpfood
another letdown day from Shane

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard. Would like to see another Keopple start though.

5 goals allowed on 29 shots is really bad, no matter the context. And hes been poor all season so im sure not gonna make excuses for him

Hasn't been great, no, but the defense did him zero favors, and saying otherwise is inaccurate at best.

Agreed. All game Tim Vanini talked about how they were getting beaten in the corners by Dartmouth. They were not skating like an inspired team, more like they had poured it all out the night before with Harvard. We used to be able to get away with that when Dartmouth sucked. They don't suck anymore.

Would NOT be surprised if that were the case, that they left it all out for Harvard and were exhausted. Felt like they just couldn't keep up. There were periods where we couldn't maintain possession for minutes at a time. Just a terrible night.

Jane McNally got a few post-game comments from Schafer. He confirmed that he “put hands on” Carusone and expects that he may get suspended as well:

[cornellsun.com]

sah67
Jane McNally got a few post-game comments from Schafer. He confirmed that he “put hands on” Carusone and expects that he may get suspended as well:

[cornellsun.com]

“Brawl Ensues” is a helluva headline.

I would honestly be pissed if I was a Dartmouth fan. The goalie and the student section were having fun at the end and they come celebrate in front of us, nothing that hasn’t happened before. Our guys did by far most of the initiating and fighting but both teams are set to have the same number of suspensions because hockey refs are obsessed with making everything even. Their coach came in there just trying to get his players out and ours came in screaming at the ref and touching him. It was a fun time but we kind of acted like douches there. Shoutout Hoyt Stanley who, by my untrained eye, played a horrendous game today and then picked up a suspension.

sah67
Jane McNally got a few post-game comments from Schafer. He confirmed that he “put hands on” Carusone and expects that he may get suspended as well:

[cornellsun.com]

taking a classic "going to be out of town anyway" suspension

That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play. We got no offense going at all. We couldn't figure out how to get the puck into their zone. We couldn't win a face off. And every pass we made ended up on their sticks. Just fucking horrible.

I left right after the 6th goal. In 40+ years of watching Cornell Hockey, I've never left before the final horn, but I just couldn't take any more.

Such a disappointment after Friday's game.

chimpfood
I would honestly be pissed if I was a Dartmouth fan. The goalie and the student section were having fun at the end and they come celebrate in front of us, nothing that hasn’t happened before. Our guys did by far most of the initiating and fighting but both teams are set to have the same number of suspensions because hockey refs are obsessed with making everything even. Their coach came in there just trying to get his players out and ours came in screaming at the ref and touching him. It was a fun time but we kind of acted like douches there. Shoutout Hoyt Stanley who, by my untrained eye, played a horrendous game today and then picked up a suspension.

Duh

Jeff Hopkins '82
That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play.

The 10-0 loss to Q in the 2013 ECAC QF’s, where we also racked up 100 PIMs in the process is probably the one for me, but tonight was pretty bad.

.

sah67

Jeff Hopkins '82
That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play.

The 10-0 loss to Q in the 2013 ECAC QF’s, where we also racked up 100 PIMs in the process is probably the one for me, but tonight was pretty bad.

that Q team was much better than us. it was more of a surprise that the other two games were close.

chimpfood
I would honestly be pissed if I was a Dartmouth fan. The goalie and the student section were having fun at the end and they come celebrate in front of us, nothing that hasn’t happened before. Our guys did by far most of the initiating and fighting but both teams are set to have the same number of suspensions because hockey refs are obsessed with making everything even. Their coach came in there just trying to get his players out and ours came in screaming at the ref and touching him. It was a fun time but we kind of acted like douches there. Shoutout Hoyt Stanley who, by my untrained eye, played a horrendous game today and then picked up a suspension.

You are right here. Dartmouth was the better team tonight. We should not have picked that fight. A bad look that has consequences.

ugarte

sah67

Jeff Hopkins '82
That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play.

The 10-0 loss to Q in the 2013 ECAC QF’s, where we also racked up 100 PIMs in the process is probably the one for me, but tonight was pretty bad.

that Q team was much better than us. it was more of a surprise that the other two games were close.

Harvard beats us 11-3 at Lynah December 1985. Schaf shoots puck at Cleary. That was the nadir for me.

Win the next game and we defuse 67% of this feeling.

The program is fine. We are being influenced by external factors.

We will be okay. In both senses. The latter will, admittedly, be more fraught.

Cornell eventually triumphs. Nazis are eventually all ground into the soil.

The latter will, admittedly, be more fraught.

Trotsky
Win the next game and we defuse 67% of this feeling.

The program is fine. We are being influenced by external factors.

We will be okay. In both senses. The latter will, admittedly, be more fraught.

Cornell eventually triumphs. Nazis are eventually all ground into the soil.

The latter will, admittedly, be more fraught.

.

Snowball

chimpfood
I would honestly be pissed if I was a Dartmouth fan. The goalie and the student section were having fun at the end and they come celebrate in front of us, nothing that hasn’t happened before. Our guys did by far most of the initiating and fighting but both teams are set to have the same number of suspensions because hockey refs are obsessed with making everything even. Their coach came in there just trying to get his players out and ours came in screaming at the ref and touching him. It was a fun time but we kind of acted like douches there. Shoutout Hoyt Stanley who, by my untrained eye, played a horrendous game today and then picked up a suspension.

You are right here. Dartmouth was the better team tonight. We should not have picked that fight. A bad look that has consequences.

I'm gonna disagree tbh. Logically, awful fight, bad idea, everyone's an idiot. But you can't let Dartmouth run you out of your own building and then let them gloat in front of your most ardent fans about it. You gotta answer the bell for your idiocy.

Chatted with a Dartmouth fan after the game, he wasn't too thrilled about the suspensions incoming either. We both agreed that the Dartmouth post-game "celebration" was a bad idea but that the Cornell reaction was also a bad idea in the context of both teams struggling to stay in top 20 pairwise.

I did like how the Dartmouth goalie was fuckin with us at the end there, playing along with the students' bend over chants and then leaning on his crossbar all nonchalant. Points to him.

arugula

ugarte

sah67

Jeff Hopkins '82
That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play.

The 10-0 loss to Q in the 2013 ECAC QF’s, where we also racked up 100 PIMs in the process is probably the one for me, but tonight was pretty bad.

that Q team was much better than us. it was more of a surprise that the other two games were close.

Harvard beats us 11-3 at Lynah December 1985. Schaf shoots puck at Cleary. That was the nadir for me.

I went to this one.

That never happened.

Let's just say, in the storied path of Cornell hockey, tonight will leave no imprint.

Just fucking get to fucking LP. This is not a difficult concept.

arugula
Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

RichH
“Brawl Ensues” is a helluva headline.

I dunno, but if we ever form a band...

chimpfood
Where do we even go from here? It’s clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we’re looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

It’s weird you are singling out Shane when the entire team looked outmatched. Didn’t even seem to me any of the goals were that soft.

The team looked good last night against Harvard, but tonight was a complete fucking embarrassment.
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home? In 16 years of following Cornell hockey I don’t ever remember seeing that. The team looks incredibly frustrated and lacking in talent. Badly outplayed by Dartmouth, a mediocre team this season and one of the worst programs in college hockey. Really never thought I’d see something like this. The absolute low point in at least ten years.

Excited for a bunch of losers to swoop in and start arguing with me that the coaches are perfect and the program is in great shape after we lost 6-1 to Dartmouth at home.

By the way, I don’t blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You’re nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd. I blame Dartmouth for taunting the fans and the Cornell coaching staff for not controlling the players.

It really doesn’t matter though. This team isn’t capable of skating with Dartmouth, one of the saddest programs in college hockey. They have not made the NCAAs since literal 1980. Depressing to watch.

BearLover
By the way, I don’t blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You’re nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd.

Might be the first time we agree.

BearLover

arugula
Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

If we run the table until the conference final, we'd probably get an at-large bid.

That's not easy to do.

The replay is up now and I went back to look at the footage shown on the broadcast. The whole thing starts after Croteau is having some fun with the student section and then the captain, Chisholm (Gaudet holdover who happened to get ejected his first game at Lynah several years ago) waves the rest of the team over to celebrate, which obviously ignites Cornell's response. It was clear that Penney was going after guys but hard to see much of anything else from the broadcast except Cashman fervently trying to get his guys to the locker room and Schafer confronting the one referee.

A clip of the fracas filmed by someone in the front row of B that was posted on reddit seems to show DeSantis throwing multiple rabbit punches to the head of a Dartmouth player who had already been wrestled to the ice.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him end up with an additional suspension once the league takes a look.

BearLover
By the way, I don’t blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You’re nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd. I blame Dartmouth for taunting the fans and the Cornell coaching staff for not controlling the players.

It really doesn’t matter though. This team isn’t capable of skating with Dartmouth, one of the historically saddest programs in college hockey. They have not made the NCAAs since literal 1980. Depressing to watch.

FYP. They're not very sad THIS year.

I understand the post-game mood. My take is the team was truly embarrassed and disappointed about letting down The Faithful after the euphoria of Friday night and needed to show SOMETHING in the way of love and pride back to Section A, even if in poor judgement and disastrous consequence. IMHO the Red would have better let Dartmouth enjoy themselves and skate off the ice, then go over to A for their own direct stick salute.

But hell, they're competitive, aggressive males. Understandable.

From the student section viewpoint, they take well-earned pride in their skills in taunting and getting in the heads of our opponents. The fact that Dartmouth decided to skate the length of the ice to celebrate in front of them was an acknowledgement of just how successful Section A really is. I would have loved to see the whole section in unison point at the Dartmouth players and laugh.

TimV

From the student section viewpoint, they take well-earned pride in their skills in taunting and getting in the heads of our opponents. The fact that Dartmouth decided to skate the length of the ice to celebrate in front of them was an acknowledgement of just how successful Section A really is. I would have loved to see the whole section in unison point at the Dartmouth players and laugh.

Maybe Cashman hired Nick Boucher as a special volunteer assistant coach! For the newbies: Boucher being the Dartmouth goalie many moons ago who vacated his net during play to taunt Section B (and flip off the band), only to allow a Cornell "empty net" goal while he was consumed with that.

It was also fun to discover that Boucher managed to rack up 26 PIMs in his one ECHL season, and another 20 PIMs (in 10GP!) in the UHL...all as a goalie. I do also caution everyone that clicking that link will display an old mugshot of Boucher, and...

I didn’t look at every season, but I would guess last night was the worst home loss since Cornell lost 7-0 to Union in the ECAC first round in 2015 to end Cornell’s season. It was certainly the most embarrassing since then. That was maybe the overall rock bottom during the Schafer era, but in terms of these last ten years, last night was rock bottom.

Again, I have absolutely no issues with the players brawling. They did what any self-respecting hockey team would do. I don’t know how the coaches lost control of the team but it was obviously a bad mistake.

At the end of the day, the thing I’m going to remember most from the game was how bad the team looked against Dartmouth. Cornell was slower and could not break it out against Dartmouth’s aggressive forecheck. On offense Cornell never had clean zone entries and never established its own forecheck. The result was the puck being carried by Dartmouth back across center ice in a flash. Cornell’s PP similarly had almost zero clean zone entries; they could not break Dartmouth’s pressure in the neutral zone, and the resulting dump ins were quickly cleared. I reiterate that Cornell should not be getting badly outplayed at home by a mediocre team. It really does not bode well for this Cornell team being any good or being capable of turning this season around.

I didn’t like Schafer’s postgame comments. First of all, he sounded resigned to being suspended. Second, he said the team was “gassed.” Why is Cornell more gassed than Dartmouth, who lost a tough game at Colgate the night before? Every year we play Harvard and Dartmouth back to back and I have never seen such a sorry performance against Dartmouth. Cornell is at home this weekend getting to sleep in their own beds and the coach is making excuses that they’re tired?

With regard to them being “gassed”, makes no sense. Young men playing at home and playing two games a week. Possible that the injuries and the resulting lack of depth is catching up to them? But again, 21 year olds playing two games a week. Unless there are many further injuries and the guys are playing through. Otoh, what explains how well they played the night before? What explains these problems being recurrent throughout the season? Little effective forecheck, difficulty exiting and entering the zone, horrendous pp? Can’t all be exhaustion.

So Harvard, who looked dead Friday, goes up to Hamilton and hammers Colgate 4-1, a night after Colgate beat Dartmouth.

As bad as last night went and as awful as we looked, we still have plenty to play for. We’ll see if the team has the fortitude to figure it out next weekend, albeit with a depleted lineup Friday.

sah67
A clip of the fracas filmed by someone in the front row of B that was posted on reddit seems to show DeSantis throwing multiple rabbit punches to the head of a Dartmouth player who had already been wrestled to the ice.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him end up with an additional suspension once the league takes a look.

Here's the video I think Sah is talking about. I got this sent to me this morning, which tells you what you need to know...

scoop85
So Harvard, who looked dead Friday, goes up to Hamilton and hammers Colgate 4-1, a night after Colgate beat Dartmouth.

As bad as last night went and as awful as we looked, we still have plenty to play for. We’ll see if the team has the fortitude to figure it out next weekend, albeit with a depleted lineup Friday.

Game was bad. Agreed. Think the brawl is gonna help morale and remind Cornell they don't play for empty seats like most of the ECAC. Figure it out next weekend, pick up 5 or 6 points, and we're right back in it.

Fully admit to being a newbie with hockey. But still.

Anyone want to explain why fighting is ok in hockey but not football, basketball, baseball, soccer?

I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

Dafatone

BearLover

arugula
Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

If we run the table until the conference final, we'd probably get an at-large bid.

if my grandma had wheels...

stereax
The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse. Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker. He couldn’t have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

Iceberg
I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

For sure

Jeff Hopkins '82
That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play. We got no offense going at all. We couldn't figure out how to get the puck into their zone. We couldn't win a face off. And every pass we made ended up on their sticks. Just fucking horrible.

I left right after the 6th goal. In 40+ years of watching Cornell Hockey, I've never left before the final horn, but I just couldn't take any more.

Such a disappointment after Friday's game.

A very bad performance all around, although I would say Shane at least gave them a shot.
This Cornell team has some of the WORST passing I've seen. Absolutely no hustle to the puck, just stretching out with a stick instead of skating. No one skating through the body, just poke checking. A dumpster fire of a game. I hope their legs recover before next Friday, because they are going to be doing ladder sprints for a while.

arugula

Iceberg
I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

For sure

If they go off that video. From unofficial reports it sounded like Penney, O'Leary, Stanley were going to catch suspensions.

Snowball
Fully admit to being a newbie with hockey. But still.

Anyone want to explain why fighting is ok in hockey but not football, basketball, baseball, soccer?

History, really. Fighting has always been part of hockey, less so with other sports. That being said, fighting is always penalized, and at the NCAA level it's officially not allowed and you get ejected from the game for true fights (as opposed to scrums) and suspended. That also being said, this was after the game ended, so I suspect there is more discretion in how many games to give and who to suspend.

stereax

arugula

Iceberg
I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

For sure

If they go off that video. From unofficial reports it sounded like Penney, O'Leary, Stanley were going to catch suspensions.

Well those three got Game DQs so that's an automatic 1-game suspension, but the league can add to that. DeSantis only got a 2 and a 10 from the refs, as I imagine they didn't catch what's visible on the video.

stereax

arugula

Iceberg
I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

For sure

If they go off that video. From unofficial reports it sounded like Penney, O'Leary, Stanley were going to catch suspensions.

Yeah, definitely those three from what the refs saw and even from the fan video. You bring up an interesting point though on whether the league can rely on fan videos to make disciplinary judgments. They may not be able to, but who knows. The broadcast feed certainly didn't catch DeSantis in his antics. That said, there was a linesman covering the Dartmouth player (#23 Pierce) so I imagine the refs were told about it after the fact.

ugarte

Dafatone

BearLover

arugula
Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

If we run the table until the conference final, we'd probably get an at-large bid.

if my grandma had wheels...

We've got 10 games left in the regular season. I bet 7-2-1 puts us in "if you squint there's a chance" territory.

Iceberg

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arugula

Iceberg
I imagine DeSantis will be suspended the longest out of anybody from what I saw on the video

For sure

If they go off that video. From unofficial reports it sounded like Penney, O'Leary, Stanley were going to catch suspensions.

Yeah, definitely those three from what the refs saw and even from the fan video. You bring up an interesting point though on whether the league can rely on fan videos to make disciplinary judgments. They may not be able to, but who knows. The broadcast feed certainly didn't catch DeSantis in his antics. That said, there was a linesman covering the Dartmouth player (#23 Pierce) so I imagine the refs were told about it after the fact.

That's true - but again, off the unofficial it didn't sound like DeSantis was on the hook, and I assume the linesmen and refs talked within that 30 minutes or so between the time the scrum happened and the time the coaches and I finally headed out.

It'll definiy be interesting to see if fan video can be used as "evidence" though. From my admittedly AWFUL pictures, Catalano looked like he was wailing on a guy too, but I can't tell for shit. I'm sure the NCAA has more angles than we do on the fight though. Wonder when they'll levy the suspensions.

Catalano was the first guy in there and went after a few Dartmouth players, so he could definitely face a suspension. FWIW, at the end of the game in Princeton, he was involved in the scrum and the refs sent him right through the visitors' tunnel. He wasn't in the handshake line at all

Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

CU2007
Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

One of the Cornell-affiliated ladies said the league is going to review it before anything official is said. I'm assuming they have some video to watch. HIGHLY doubt their video feed would cut off the second the game ends. I know the coaches told the media guys not to turn off the camera until the refs came back out to announce the penalties, which they never did. Hold on, I got ESPN+, let me rewatch from last night.

Suda took a run at a Dart after the horn sounded... then Dart goes to celly in front of the student section... and then Cornell goes to beat em up. I think first man in is O'Leary simply due to height. Penney gets in it too. Catalano is def scrapping. There's DeSantis flipping a Dart over. Dart's starter and Keopple havin a chat, unaffected; ditto Katz, Shane, and the backup. Ondrej Psenicka is very tall. I think that's Schafer walking over. (I've been spelling it Schaefer this whole time. Fuck me.) Penney still shoving. O'Leary and Pennet helmetless. O'Leary still complaining. And then they're off, Penney and Casty share their post-game hug and scatter.

You can definitely tell who's scrapping because they WANT to (O'Leary, Penney, Catalano, DeSantis, Walsh, Stanley, Kempf, Kraft, Rego, Rayhill...) and those who are mostly there because everyone else is (Fegaras, Castagna, Robertson, Kovich, Psenicka, O'Brien...) as well as the mixed-bag guys (Suda, Mack, Bancroft...) And this is just off the ESPN feed. I'm SURE the NCAA has more cameras.

Yeah that feels reasonable. When all is said and done Cornell today will almost certainly turn out to have a path to an at-large, although it likely means 7+ wins and sweeping all road contests.

That said, I’d be shocked if they somehow managed to pull off that kind of run, so this is all kind of academic.

George64

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The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse. Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker. He couldn’t have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I’m genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season? Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year’s team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year’s team wasn’t like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That’s not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won’t be there anymore.

So for this year’s team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn’t happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn’t come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn’t been the case.