Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17

Dang
Sounds like I missed one heck of a game
Do it again tomorrow

Trotsky
I've been rereading The Sun Also Rises. Fuck Princeton. Those people are awful.

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Trotsky
Devlin?

Brother of our Devlin

scoop85

Trotsky
Devlin?

Brother of our Devlin

Safety Devlin

ice
Keopple played a good game after he got warmed up.

All the shoving/punching was surprising. Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.

I had the misfortune of sitting near relatives and friends of the Princeton starter this year again and the one woman (I assume mother) was thankfully a lot quieter this time. Near the end of the game, one of the kids in the adjacent section ran through a bit of the telephone taunt and I don't think the group liked that too much, lol

My 2 cents:

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles), That took the wind out of our sails for a while, and Princeton was beating us on the puck in the corners. Fortunately we got one back against the run of play, which pepped the guys up. After the second goal we were in full control. From that point, we pounded them in both zones. I think by the end we'd worn them out.

Castagna's goal was a beauty. Hopefully he's got his mojo back.

The power play was awful. We kept trying to get the puck down low, but with Princeton bunched up in front of the goalie, there was no place to go with it. So...toss it back to the D, the 2 D-men pass it back and forth, and then drop it back down low with no place to go with it. Lather rinse repeat. Ugly. The guys on the point need to shoot occasionally, just to keep the PK honest.

OTOH, our PK looked really good. The goal Princeton scored was a seeing eye shot and Koepple was screened on that one.

I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major. When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on. It sure took a long time to get a decision. And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport. I'm not even sure what it is. Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?

Anyway, it was nice to get a decisive win. Hopefully this is the start of something lasting.

Jeff Hopkins '82

I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major. When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on. It sure took a long time to get a decision. And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport. I'm not even sure what it is. Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?

Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.

The Rancor

BearLover
Cornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN’s xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton’s was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson’s own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don’t have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Can't be happy at all with a win. Exhausting.

Beat Syer 6-2, so it's not coaching. ENJOY THE WIN. I was jumping out of my couch. Stoked to see them come together. Tomorrow we challenge Quinny... I'm excited to see what happens. LGR.

ugarte

Jeff Hopkins '82

I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major. When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on. It sure took a long time to get a decision. And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport. I'm not even sure what it is. Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?

Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.

The broadcasters (one a former player) said that there’s one or two of those called every week in the league this year, and players have to control the urge, knowing that. I don’t think it’s true that they call it so often.

Iceberg

ice
Keopple played a good game after he got warmed up.

All the shoving/punching was surprising. Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.

I had the misfortune of sitting near relatives and friends of the Princeton starter this year again and the one woman (I assume mother) was thankfully a lot quieter this time. Near the end of the game, one of the kids in the adjacent section ran through a bit of the telephone taunt and I don't think the group liked that too much, lol

Smith is a true Sophomore, and he's pretty good, big upside. In spite of tonight's results.

HeafDog

chimpfood
Shoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!

You were loud and clear.

I could hear him from the far side below the balcony near the restrooms and it was definitely loud. Also, the Princeton band was there, which is a rarity, but they were a nice break from the canned music. Very lively atmosphere in general and a huge Cornell contingent as there usually is

Trotsky

HeafDog

chimpfood
Shoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!

You were loud and clear.

Let us all be!

Jeff Hopkins '82
My 2 cents:

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),

I don't understand "the goalie should have stopped" type of statement. I guess if I was a great goalie or even a mediocre goalie I might have that opinion but I'm more of "the goalie would like that one back" mentality mainly because I'm a mediocre skater who is in awe of EVERY D1 player.

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

that facemak call was weird. Never seen it. Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on. Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

marty

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem. The farting pushes you FORWARD.

upprdeck
that facemak call was weird. Never seen it. Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on. Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

The rule seems overly harsh.

Has everyone here not worn hockey gloves before? With modern hockey gloves it's very easy to grab helmet cages. And face masking has been a penalty for as long as I can remember. It's just so uncommon that many people don't really think about it. I see it and spearing as similar types of penalties--rare but always results in a major.


Also, the rule gives the referees the option to assess a game misconduct, but Kovich was just sent to the penalty box and re-entered play after the end of the major. They evidently didn't deem it that serious but had to call a major by rule at the minimum.

Trotsky
RAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!

Really the best thing about this game, and good for him!

TimV

marty

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem. The farting pushes you FORWARD.

I think I missed that lecture in Fluid Dynamics.

Scersk '97

Trotsky
RAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!

Really the best thing about this game, and good for him!

The CHN app last night had Bancroft's first goal credited to Rayhill. Since I hadn't yet started watching the game, I was pretty surprised to see 1) That Rayhill was playing; 2) That he had scored a goal; 3) That the goal was unassisted, meaning he must have made a great play.
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

Being heard over the murmurs and whispers of the Princeton fanbase, is not a high bar to hurdle. But thank you.

TimV

marty

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem. The farting pushes you FORWARD.

That's a myth. It doesn't "push" you.

Trotsky

TimV

marty

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem. The farting pushes you FORWARD.

That's a myth. It doesn't "push" you.

Marty is a special case though.

scoop85

upprdeck
that facemak call was weird. Never seen it. Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on. Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

The rule seems overly harsh.

Especially since Kovich was POPPED hard in the facemask seconds earlier by a gloved fist.

dbilmes
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

BearLover

upprdeck
as bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC

I’m sorry, but this is insane. I don’t know much about betting odds but is it possible nobody has bet on this and so the odds haven’t been updated? We are far out from even getting a bye. Quinnipiac should be the clear favorite.

I was gonna take my daily shot at Clownlover, and after some analysis...I guess I still will, except it's a jab and not body blow, body blow, knockout.

There's a big spread in league games played so far so we can't ignore games in hand. I took current ECAC standings and projected what they'd be if the teams not yet having played the 12 games Q has played out their games in hand. I assumed they had the same point winning percentage as today in doing so. (Data from Chn as of now Saturday afternoon.). PPT1 and PRK1 are projected point totals and team rank if 12 games were played

Team	        GP	PTS	GIH1	PPT1	PRK1	Pt%
Clarkson	9	21	3	28.0	1	0.778
Quinnipiac	12	27	0	27.0	2	0.75

Dartmouth	10	19	2	22.8	3	0.633
Colgate  	9	17	3	22.7	4	0.63

Harvard 	11	18	1	19.6	5	0.545
Union.  	11	18	1	19.6	5	0.545
Cornell 	9	14	3	18.7	7	0.519

Rensselaer	11	12	1	13.1	8	0.364
Princeton	11	11	1	12.0	9	0.333
Yale	        11	11	1	12.0	9	0.333
Brown	        11	10	1	10.9	11	0.303
St. Lawrence	9	8	3	10.7	12	0.296

I'll agree with Clownlover that we shouldn't be on anyone's radar as far as having good odds to win. That's nuts. And if there are actually decent odds out there, he's probably right about the lack of action, and id plunk down a bet super quick if I found them.

But we're not that far out from a bye after GIH are factored: only 4 points back and only 1 point back of Union and Harvard above us. It'll be a tight race between Dart, Colgate, union, Harvard and us to get the remaining 2 byes.



Btw, don't know where upprdeck is betting, but FanDuel shows these odds...last updated in April....



**ECAC 2024-25 Conference Tournament Winner Odds**

| Team | Odds |
|------------|-------|
| Cornell | +170 |
| Quinnipiac | +180 |
| Dartmouth | +700 |
| Clarkson | +900 |
| Harvard | +1200 |
| Colgate | +1500 |

*APR 12, 11:00AM ET*

sah67

dbilmes
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

I kind of expected him to look like a make a wish kid out there but he looked pretty decent. Looked better than he did in the Toronto exhibition game.

sah67

dbilmes
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

Yes. Definitely in the first. Unlike basketball they can’t set him for a relatively easy goal. But good for him.

arugula

sah67

dbilmes
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

Yes. Definitely in the first. Unlike basketball they can’t set him for a relatively easy goal. But good for him.

i was kind of hoping princeton would pull the goalie during the facemask major to give rayhill a shot from downtown.

marty

Jeff Hopkins '82
My 2 cents:

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),

I don't understand "the goalie should have stopped" type of statement. I guess if I was a great goalie or even a mediocre goalie I might have that opinion but I'm more of "the goalie would like that one back" mentality mainly because I'm a mediocre skater who is in awe of EVERY D1 player.

In my mind, it means the same thing.

I don’t necessarily prefer when something happens after every whistle but I felt like they needed to start being more engaged and that’s the easiest way to appear as such. I thought there was more of an effort to generate offense from the point. Maybe it only looks that way because they were rewarded with a couple of goals that originated from out top. I just hope they can continue to have successful traffic. As a second half of my life pessimist, I thought there was no way that Castagna was not going to pass on that two on one. What a snipe.