Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by chimpfood
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: sah67 (---.sub-174-197-198.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:38AM
BearLover
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?TimV
VIEWfromK
chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Can somebody give more color to this?
I could be wrong, but seems to me over the last two or three seasons (from my vantage point in L) that even without the pumped-in jock jams, the band was playing a lot less frequently during games than they used to, and there were frequent moments of awkward “dead air”, both during and between periods.
It also seems like it’s becoming more frequent that the band can’t muster a “full” showing except for big games, and they don’t sound all that great when they’re missing those pieces.
I’m wondering if someone in athletics thought they could “improve” the atmosphere by filling in around the band’s quiet moments. That might also explain all the cheesy “arena-style” games and call-and-response music videos they’ve started to run on the big screen during stoppages (which the band often has to compete with.) At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a “kiss cam” or “dad dance-off” show up if they had the funds for a roving cameraman.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2024 10:46AM by sah67.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:39AM
Our posts crossed. I second this exactly.Scersk '97
BearLover
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?TimV
VIEWfromK
chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Can somebody give more color to this?
Same. I appreciate the comments below, but I’d like a very exact appraisal of what’s going on, especially “noise” during period breaks and pumped-in music during in-game stoppages, because it needs to change.
I hate to ask specifically, but could you comment ACM?
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:44AM
Yeah it’s been happening for years. Exactly like the other guy said there used to be a bunch of silences when the band wouldn’t play so they started pumping in music. Only this year did it seem like the pumped in music is actually getting in the way of the band and the crowd and not just filling dead space.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:50AM
BearLover
Somebody needs to talk to the band and whoever is in charge of Lynah about this. It’s totally unacceptable. There should be no pumped in music after the game starts, at all. This should be fixable, because I know people here should have a line of contact to those in charge.
Has this been going on all year?
More color would still be appreciated…
Black
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:52AM
I’m confused why the band is playing less. Why would that be a long term effect of COVID?chimpfood
Yeah it’s been happening for years. Exactly like the other guy said there used to be a bunch of silences when the band wouldn’t play so they started pumping in music. Only this year did it seem like the pumped in music is actually getting in the way of the band and the crowd and not just filling dead space.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Scersk '97 (216.49.132.---)
Date: December 07, 2024 11:34AM
sah67
It also seems like it’s becoming more frequent that the band can’t muster a “full” showing except for big games, and they don’t sound all that great when they’re missing those pieces.
To answer a question down thread, this is the long-term effect of COVID.
This year's freshmen were 8th-graders moving into 9th-grade before vaccines, i.e., when masking and distancing was crucial, and this year's seniors, thus, were juniors moving into their senior years during the same. Music programs shut down. There were some string orchestras, few if any bands, and practically no choruses for obvious reasons. Many, many kids gave up playing or singing at the time. For a while, it was devastating for school music programs.
Your average high-school band is only just beginning to get kids whose instrumental development was not affected by COVID in some way. (9th-grade - 5 = 4th-grade moving into 5th-grade, when many kids start taking up instruments. Also when they're supposed to be confident operating with fractions, but I digress.)
I'm sure there are still a lot of great players in both the marching and pep bands, but the bands depend, in a sense, on a bit of a "critical mass" phenomenon. The bulk of the instrumentalists are just not there, and putting together a full complement is pretty tough. I have hope for the future, but it's going to be made more difficult if people like whomever athletics has set loose to pollute the air with jock jams get in the way.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2024 11:41AM by Scersk '97.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: scoop85 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 11:50AM
Use of any pumped in music at Lynah is disappointing.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: LGR14 (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 12:13PM
Sounds like a story for the Sun to run down.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 12:51PM
pjd8
I don't feel that way about the Lynah games anymore. I had hoped that was simply a factor of being 3,000 miles away, but it sounds and looks like that's not the case.
It's Creeping Meatballism. We are immersed in the hyperreality of constant, forced, fungible Corporate Joy. This has been eroding creativity and spontaneity for every decade I have been a fan. The 80s and 90s fans were still meh, but nothing like the legendary 60s and 70s fans. Since iPacifiers, the students have been sedated, slack-jawed, and stupefied.
There are short term oscillations -- some crowds are better, or worse, for a while. The ones since COVID have been particularly lame but I am sure there will be another local upturn. But the overall trend has nothing to do with these kids, or kids in general. It is global and without redemption short of rejection of the relentless commercial suffocation of the last 150 years.
Kill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2024 12:52PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: VIEWfromK (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 12:58PM
A few years ago the players made the request for piped in music during warmups. The band doesn't even bother to come some evenings until toward the end of warmups. Last night was the worst piped in music with a full band that I can recall. They even kept one song going well after play had resumed. I think it's getting the desired effect unfortunately because people are singing and dancing to the songs they are playing. I expect it will only get worse because of a variety of reasons, but the band not filing the void in recent years has to be a factor. It's too bad because that has always been one of the main attractions of a game at Lynah. I miss that.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:06PM
Yeah I mean the kids like it, the players like it, and it’s less stress on the band, no need to wonder why it’s happening and it will probably continue or even increase.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: VIEWfromK (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:10PM
Last night for Gary Glitter, sections A+B were fully involved like usual and from Section C over none of the students were participating. They have tuned the band out.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:18PM
BearLover
It’s one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it’s quite another thing to act like I’m a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).ugarte
You people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year’s team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.
These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don’t gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.
That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.
In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn’t whine so much. And maybe one day I’ll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I’m whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.
I think it's easy to forget that last season was a mild disappointment up until the end. Going into Lake Placid, we were right on the bubble and ended up needing to win the conference to get in. A lot of the year looked similar to this year: we played good teams very well and tended to play down to bad teams, resulting in a solid but not spectacular year.
So far, this year is more of the same. We struggle against big defensive shell teams (a strategy employed by weaker teams, especially when they get an early lead) and we look good against good teams.
Colgate's goalie had a good night, and we certainly dominated possession, shots, and scoring opportunities. Fortunately we got just enough to bounce our way to scrape by.
Two final thoughts: I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Second, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: VIEWfromK (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:31PM
Dafatone
BearLover
It’s one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it’s quite another thing to act like I’m a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).ugarte
You people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year’s team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.
These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don’t gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.
That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.
In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn’t whine so much. And maybe one day I’ll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I’m whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.
I think it's easy to forget that last season was a mild disappointment up until the end. Going into Lake Placid, we were right on the bubble and ended up needing to win the conference to get in. A lot of the year looked similar to this year: we played good teams very well and tended to play down to bad teams, resulting in a solid but not spectacular year.
So far, this year is more of the same. We struggle against big defensive shell teams (a strategy employed by weaker teams, especially when they get an early lead) and we look good against good teams.
Colgate's goalie had a good night, and we certainly dominated possession, shots, and scoring opportunities. Fortunately we got just enough to bounce our way to scrape by.
Two final thoughts: I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Second, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Last year I came into the season with my regular expectations of trying to get a first round bye. With all of the turnover I wouldn't have dared dream higher. After last season's freshman class played above their experience and finished so strong, I set myself up coming into this year to expect more than just a first round bye.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:42PM
Higher expectations were reasonable, but to demand them is entitled and childish.
Just fucking enjoy the fucking team.
Just fucking enjoy the fucking team.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:46PM
BearLover
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Seriously. It doesn’t come across on the broadcasts, more often than not, I find I’m unrealistically annoyed by “dumb things the band is doing these days” but if there’s really a DJ incursion at Lynah of all places, the old Bandie in me is on the edge of a riot.
When the band can’t be assembled due to a football road trip, that’s one thing, but put it away when they’re in the building.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Big Dingus (---.tmodns.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:49PM
Do posters in here really think this is a good start to the season? We have dropped multiple games against very weak teams.
The nodak sweep also getting less impressive as their true record starts to show
The nodak sweep also getting less impressive as their true record starts to show
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: The Rancor (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 01:50PM
BearLover
I’m confused. I complain incessantly when we’re losing (the quoted post was made while we were behind in tonight’s game). I’ve been in a pissy mood about Cornell hockey all year because the team has been majorly disappointing. I was way more happy and praiseworthy the last two seasons. Why would that suggest I get mad when we win???? Is it really a foreign concept that I whine when we’re losing BECAUSE we’re losing? It’s not rocket science why I’ve been particularly insufferable this season.The Rancor
BearLover
Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They’ve looked consistently bad this season.
You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.
Then I'm guessing it's confirmation bias. You think the team is struggling- if they lose, you're right, and happy. If they do well, say a comeback overtime win at home, you are wrong, and unhappy.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: December 07, 2024 02:14PM
we have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 02:30PM
upprdeck
we have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Two regulation losses to Quinnipiac and Dartmouth, who appear to be the top two teams in the conference that aren't us. Both losses by 1 (excluding the Q empty netter with 2 seconds left)
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 02:41PM
By that logic, we also have four ties, which are against Yale, Harvard, Quinnipiac, and Colgate. Overall bad teams. The number of ties is masking how underwhelming our results have been. Also, we’ve played 7 games at home and only 2 on the road.upprdeck
we have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: December 07, 2024 03:13PM
I have idea who is good or bad.
We have ties vs teams we have dominated
But its a game often decided by 1-3 no matter how well you play.
People thought Princ was awful then they swept OSU
Just win the league and thats the first goal
Win the OC games that helps as well.
Get healthy and see where we are in Feb no matter what the record says
We have ties vs teams we have dominated
But its a game often decided by 1-3 no matter how well you play.
People thought Princ was awful then they swept OSU
Just win the league and thats the first goal
Win the OC games that helps as well.
Get healthy and see where we are in Feb no matter what the record says
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 04:21PM
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 04:47PM
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: ACM (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 05:56PM
People to send your comments about the atmosphere in Lynah to:
Nikki Moore (CornellAD@cornell.edu) Director of Athletics
Laken Kelly (lfk46@cornell.edu) Assistant Director of Athletics for Fan Engagement
Nikki Moore (CornellAD@cornell.edu) Director of Athletics
Laken Kelly (lfk46@cornell.edu) Assistant Director of Athletics for Fan Engagement
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 07:44PM
Section C isn't really a student section in the way A and B are. A lot of people who get tickets at the door and "fade" after 1 or 2 periods. Which, I like that for me personally because too many people in my near vicinity is never fun, but C can get VERY gappy at the beginning/end of some games.VIEWfromK
Last night for Gary Glitter, sections A+B were fully involved like usual and from Section C over none of the students were participating. They have tuned the band out.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 07:45PM
!!! I'm just enjoying the hockey, man. Like sure, we're not the best team in NCAA, we're never going to be. Enjoy the ride.Trotsky
Higher expectations were reasonable, but to demand them is entitled and childish.
Just fucking enjoy the fucking team.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 07:47PM
Holy fuck it is genuinely awful. Like holy shitballs. I liked them bringing Psenicka back on pp1 as a screener but there's just. I don't know what's going on. They either move during the pp or shoot during it, not both at once...Dafatone
Second, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 07:51PM
I can't speak to whether it's getting "worse" but there's a lot of times they pump in songs versus the band playing. A lot of times during stoppages. Usually after icings or the like. I think the band gets more time when it's the ice scraper timeout. I don't mind the music? I think it gets the crowd like, singing and more active, versus the band which can be harder to follow. I definitely see the tradition argument, though, and I do think the band is a lot of fun, but several times it's felt like there's been a skeleton crew.RichH
BearLover
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Seriously. It doesn’t come across on the broadcasts, more often than not, I find I’m unrealistically annoyed by “dumb things the band is doing these days” but if there’s really a DJ incursion at Lynah of all places, the old Bandie in me is on the edge of a riot.
When the band can’t be assembled due to a football road trip, that’s one thing, but put it away when they’re in the building.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 08:05PM
Oops, disregardDafatone
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2024 08:07PM by BearLover.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 09:09PM
It’s a moot point now. We won’t have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.Dafatone
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 09:42PM
BearLover
It’s a moot point now. We won’t have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.Dafatone
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: stereax (---.static.firstlight.net)
Date: December 07, 2024 09:45PM
This! Rest up. Solve the powerplay issue. Pretty sure we have quite a few softball games in the back half of the season. It'll work out. And if it doesn't, welp, we still got to watch some fun Cornell hockey and chat together.Dafatone
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 09:46PM
I mean yes, technically we can still get an at-large bid. But it’s not about winning “more games.” It’s about winning games at an extremely high clip going forward, far higher than we’ve shown any capability of doing. We are not in alright shape.Dafatone
BearLover
It’s a moot point now. We won’t have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.Dafatone
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 09:52PM
To be more precise, I’d estimate Cornell has about a 10% chance of getting an at-large bid. That’s based on the hole they’ve dug themselves and how horrible they’ve looked so far. Even if they had looked better so far (say, equivalent to last year’s team), they’d need to get quite lucky the rest of the way to win at such a high rate, so maybe their odds would increase to 25%. No higher than that, for sure, though.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Redpucks1! (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:04PM
Theodore Roosevelt > Quotes > Quotable Quote (?)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is
no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Hey Bear lover and bigdingus; this one’s for you. Obviously two individuals that think they somehow make a difference. Pathetic! You think the team is trying to fail? You have no idea what goes on in the inner workings of a team. Injuries, illness, chemistry, sophomore slumps, academic stress, etc. You both seem to think Cornell should just show up and win - just that easy. News flash - Other teams may be trying to do the same. You obviously have never been in a competitive athletic competition or you would be aware of some of the difficulties in being successful as consistently as Cornell Hockey is.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is
no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Hey Bear lover and bigdingus; this one’s for you. Obviously two individuals that think they somehow make a difference. Pathetic! You think the team is trying to fail? You have no idea what goes on in the inner workings of a team. Injuries, illness, chemistry, sophomore slumps, academic stress, etc. You both seem to think Cornell should just show up and win - just that easy. News flash - Other teams may be trying to do the same. You obviously have never been in a competitive athletic competition or you would be aware of some of the difficulties in being successful as consistently as Cornell Hockey is.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:08PM
BearLover
I mean yes, technically we can still get an at-large bid. But it’s not about winning “more games.” It’s about winning games at an extremely high clip going forward, far higher than we’ve shown any capability of doing. We are not in alright shape.Dafatone
BearLover
It’s a moot point now. We won’t have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.Dafatone
BearLover
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There’s a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we’d need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we’ll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We’ve dug ourselves a big hole IMO.Dafatone
I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
I think what I've been trying to say is that it's gonna take less improvement than you think, in terms of wins and losses.
That being said, if you think the team isn't capable of turning it around, I don't think that's an absurd opinion, although I think they can.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: December 07, 2024 10:13PM
That’s a nice quote, but despite what you seem to believe I think, I am under no illusion I make any difference. I’m a random person posting on a college hockey Internet forum. Same as you.Redpucks1!
Theodore Roosevelt > Quotes > Quotable Quote (?)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is
no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Hey Bear lover and bigdingus; this one’s for you. Obviously two individuals that think they somehow make a difference. Pathetic! You think the team is trying to fail? You have no idea what goes on in the inner workings of a team. Injuries, illness, chemistry, sophomore slumps, academic stress, etc. You both seem to think Cornell should just show up and win - just that easy. News flash - Other teams may be trying to do the same. You obviously have never been in a competitive athletic competition or you would be aware of some of the difficulties in being successful as consistently as Cornell Hockey is.
This team is a colossal disappointment. Their play is bad and their results are worse. That is the reality whether I’m here to make the case or not. Nobody knows that to be true better than the players and coaches themselves—the men in the arena.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: TimV (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: December 08, 2024 06:42PM
Trotsky
Kill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
God that's beautiful alliteration. You just don't get this quality writing on Reddit.
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Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: W (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: December 08, 2024 08:59PM
The point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 08, 2024 11:42PM
"At the touch of hate, everyone become a poet." -- PlatoTimV
Trotsky
Kill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
God that's beautiful alliteration. You just don't get this quality writing on Reddit.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 08, 2024 11:45PM
The band is wonderful, and we all greatly appreciate your dedication and loyalty! Just please stop with the Jeopardy theme; it is self-absorbed and brutally cringe.W
The point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-244-148.myvzw.com)
Date: December 09, 2024 08:32AM
Do not listen to Trotsky's complaints as a man in hailing distance of 60 is not permitted to cringe-check teenagers except to other olds.Trotsky
The band is wonderful, and we all greatly appreciate your dedication and loyalty! Just please stop with the Jeopardy theme; it is self-absorbed and brutally cringe.W
The point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
However, you may take his appreciation at face value. Pep band is the only activity at Cornell I ever give money to because it's cool when you get to invade road rinks.
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Re: Cornell vs Colgate 12/6
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 09, 2024 08:46AM
ugarte
Do not listen to Trotsky's complaints as a man in hailing distance of 60 is not permitted to cringe-check teenagers except to other olds.
Well past 60. And who do you think is on eLynah anyway?
Teens should be more transgressive and interesting than Olds. Disruptive teens are good; boring teens are a sign of social collapse.
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