Cornell vs Colgate 12/6

Last time I started a game thread we swept so let’s bring that back. Colgate is hovering around #40 in the pairwise but they have some good results like a tie against Dartmouth and wins against Quinnipiac and Harvard. They are atop the ECAC right now so a sweep would be very ideal. Their out of conference record has certainly not helped the rest of the ECAC as they have been swept in 3 of their 5 OOC series and their 2 of their 3 OOC wins came against RIT who is shockingly terrible this year (62 in the pairwise). I’m excited to be at both games this weekend and I think we can get it done, LGR.

Isn't a sweep always ideal?

We just gotta play em one game at a time...

I would be ecstatic to get a win Friday and then try our chances in the Frozen Tundra of Hamilton.

While a sweep is always ideal, Cornell started so badly that we are reaching the point where a sweep is not only ideal, but necessary. Colgate is 40th in the PWR. Anything short of a sweep would be a bad outcome and take us even further away from an NCAA bid. While we are currently 15th in the ranking, there is a big gap in RPI between 14th and 15th. We will tumble far with a loss this weekend.

Did people forget we were supposed to compete for a national title this year?

Colgate's goaltending is not good and they lost some of their skilled players from last season. I'd be disappointed with anything less than a sweep

You have to remember that this is cogate’s huge rivalry weekend even though it isn’t for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It’s gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.

chimpfood
You have to remember that this is cogate’s huge rivalry weekend even though it isn’t for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It’s gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.

However, if they have finals it would surely reduce the student attendance.

scoop85

chimpfood
You have to remember that this is cogate’s huge rivalry weekend even though it isn’t for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It’s gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.

However, if they have finals it would surely reduce the student attendance.

No such luck. The last day of classes at Colgate is December 13, so finals won't start until the following week.

chimpfood
[Cornell-Colgate] is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn.

The new Class of 1965 rink is not a barn if that implies old, rustic, drafty, low-ceilinged. It's gorgeous. 2,222 seats is a good size for Colgate and the huge concours up top might get them to 3,000 for a really big game calling for standing room. Note that the predecessor Starr Arena, only slightly smaller capacity than Class of 65, opened only two years after Lynah and was replaced in 2016.

billhoward
Note that the predecessor Starr Arena, only slightly smaller capacity than Class of 65, opened only two years after Lynah and was replaced in 2016.

The wrecking ball was long overdue for that hole. Starr was so poorly designed for anything other than midnight ice-time for the undergrads. Terrible sightlines everywhere, and a press box above the end zone. You had to walk around support girders in the stands, yet Colgate students could still throw pizza slices around them. I had a better time watching games at the Northford Ice Pavilion than Starr.

Edit: Apparently it's still standing, so ignore the first three words. It's being used for a basketball practice facility now.

Hope we come out and play and don't have to chase again at Home. We are about the biggest favs on the board tonight so at least some thing we will win.

Anyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?

chimpfood
Anyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?

For the three previous times we have gone there is an apartment complex across the street from the new arena where we have successfully parked. There are usually spots along the hedge

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chimpfood
Anyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?

For the three previous times we have gone there is an apartment complex across the street from the new arena where we have successfully parked. There are usually spots along the hedge

Great, thank you

Back at it

I don't think I saw Katz in warmups. Penney expected absence. Where's third goalie?

stereax
I don't think I saw Katz in warmups. Penney expected absence. Where's third goalie?

No idea. Technical difficulties.

Video is back albeit with diminished audio.

Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They’ve looked consistently bad this season.

BearLover
Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They’ve looked consistently bad this season.

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That was a great look. Nice shift. We are getting pressure and movement.

It’s on SNY btw

Trotsky
That was a great look. Nice shift. We are getting pressure and movement.

Colgate is an actively bad team. They lost by a combined score of 10-3 while being swept last weekend by PSU, who was 48th in the PWR coming in. Important context.

pp #1. LGR!

Decent chances.

Has Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?

In control after the goal but nothing past him yet.

BearLover
Has Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?

I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!

That's a good ad but we should tear down half the buildings that have encroached on campus.

ugarte

BearLover
Has Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?

I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!

They have been rooted like trees all year. It is the one Bearlover bitch that's true.

Trotsky

ugarte

BearLover
Has Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?

I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!

They have been rooted like trees all year. It is the one Bearlover bitch that's true.

They know it's a powerplay and not a washing machine, right? No need to keep it on cycle.

I hope they look better in the second...

One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.

Colgate had a lot of turnovers that period; we need to convert them.

stereax
One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.

The "garnet glob."

I know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?

An offensively talented team would have scored 2-3 goals against Colgate by now.

Trotsky

stereax
One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.

The "garnet glob."

HAH I'm stealing that, thank you. I just call it the 2023 Sharks...

Sullivan Mack seems like a nice young man.

BearLover
An offensively talented team would have scored 2-3 goals against Colgate by now.

And do the hokey pokey as well, I assume?

nshapiro
I know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?

Don't think so tbh. But I may be wrong.

nshapiro
I know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?

No. I thought the same thing because I'm pretty sure we were way offside on that extended possession in their end that ended in the delayed penalty. But it's not like you can pull out a gun and shoot somebody and then say "missed offsides," wipe it. I mean, unless you win the election.

stereax
One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.

There was one point where all five of their skaters were within the few feet of the crease. I don't know of any sound defensive strategy that advocates for that type of positioning

Iceberg

stereax
One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.

There was one point where all five of their skaters were within the few feet of the crease. I don't know of any sound defensive strategy that advocates for that type of positioning

The strategy is called “we have a lead on the road against a better team with limited offensive poise and cohesion so we should play for the 1-0 win or 1-1 tie.” Same strategy Yale pulls whenever they take a lead against us at Lynah.

Was that H O T T O G O?

Same old story so far. Better team 5x5, special teams horrible, bad mistake in own zone ends up the back of the net.

If we keep playing like this we'll win.

When Colgate scored they had a 3-1 shot advantage. Since then it is 7-1 Cornell.

Not to mention whenever gate isn't in their armadillo formation they are playing panicked.

Suboptimal.

Trotsky
Was that H O T T O G O?

It was.

Trotsky
Suboptimal.

We looked so good all period...

Top five 5x5 team in the country.
Worst special teams in the country.

Insane they can’t fix this.

BearLover
Top five 5x5 team in the country.
Worst special teams in the country.

Insane they can’t fix this.

The PK looks fine except for the uh goals.

The PP is pretty horrible and maybe we should decline power plays or something.

That was such a typical Castagna play. Quick to get into the zone, strong to wrestle through coverage, and then precise pass to O'Leary's backdoor.

Jack O'Leary and we're on the board. Impressive effort in the last few minutes.

Don't put the Irish guy against an all red backdrop.

Trotsky
Don't put the Irish guy against an all red backdrop.

It's Don't Throw Fish Night against Harvard... hmmm. You know what I want to do now?

Cons of a packed barn: a gaggle of girls next to me who spent the whole period texting and showing each other pictures on Instagram that are now gossiping and laughing insanely loudly.

Ufda. That looked really bad.

OK let's see what we've learned.

That. More of that.

Shots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.

Remarkable how much DeSantis has disappeared. Gotta be hurt.

Trotsky
Shots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.

And we got a goal! Looking up. Seal it off. No more OT please.

stereax

Trotsky
Shots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.

And we got a goal! Looking up. Seal it off. No more OT please.

Well. Bonus hockey time...

Can't ask for more pressure than that.

That concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.

This is so fucking stupid.

Major first goal!!!

Trotsky
That concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.

WE WON THE DERP

Lynah fan favorite Charlie Major.

Not a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.

stereax

Trotsky
That concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.

WE WON THE DERP

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This team is an enigma at this point. Lots of potential. Completely lost at times. With all the experience from last year should be primed for a great year.
That said, looking forward to a stronger end to end performance tomorrow night and hoping Coach Schafer band Coach Jones can raise the 60 minute play for the second half of the season.

BearLover
Not a good outcome against a bad team

Jesus Christ every post you make is negative.

Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the gas, or it won't work.

Trotsky

BearLover
Not a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.

Jesus Christ every post you make is negative.

Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the the gas, or it won't work.

Did you forget Cornell was expected to compete for a national championship this year, in our beloved head coach’s final season? I haven’t forgotten. Very disappointing year so far, including tonight. Need a regulation win tomorrow or we’re fucked. LGR!

Fans were chanting Charlie Major's name just before the goal, which is a nice touch.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Not a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.

Jesus Christ every post you make is negative.

Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the the gas, or it won't work.

Did you forget Cornell was expected to compete for a national championship this year, in our beloved head coach’s final season? I haven’t forgotten. Very disappointing year so far, including tonight. Need a regulation win tomorrow or we’re fucked. LGR!

Enjoy your evening.

Trotsky

stereax

Trotsky
That concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.

WE WON THE DERP

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Are you secretly bearlover?

Also. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.

stereax
Also. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.

I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.

sah67

stereax
Also. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.

I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.

Could be one and the same, then. Oof. Feel for the guy. Was wondering why they'd cart an injured player to Lynah, makes sense they wrapped it up here then.

Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it. Pretty funny that the PP scored on a tough angle shot after the “shoot the puck” chants and major got one after the “Charlie major” chants. Major was seriously getting on my nerves all game but I won’t elaborate on why thanks to him getting that winner for us. Get it done tomorrow and head into break happy.

sah67

stereax
Also. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.

I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.

Literally 10 seconds into the game. It was number 7 if I remember right, Simon labelle

BearLover
Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They’ve looked consistently bad this season.

You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.

Trotsky
Was that H O T T O G O?

I T W A s G R E A T !

chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it. Pretty funny that the PP scored on a tough angle shot after the “shoot the puck” chants and major got one after the “Charlie major” chants. Major was seriously getting on my nerves all game but I won’t elaborate on why thanks to him getting that winner for us. Get it done tomorrow and head into break happy.

The towels were a new look for me (I watched on TV made for something new and cool as it seemed the crowd was into it!!!) Can't wait to get up for a live one later this season.

You people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.

In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.

There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.

The Rancor

BearLover
Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They’ve looked consistently bad this season.

You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.

I’m confused. I complain incessantly when we’re losing (the quoted post was made while we were behind in tonight’s game). I’ve been in a pissy mood about Cornell hockey all year because the team has been majorly disappointing. I was way more happy and praiseworthy the last two seasons. Why would that suggest I get mad when we win???? Is it really a foreign concept that I whine when we’re losing BECAUSE we’re losing? It’s not rocket science why I’ve been particularly insufferable this season.

ugarte
You people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.

In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.

There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.

It’s one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it’s quite another thing to act like I’m a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).

The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year’s team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.

These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don’t gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.

That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.

In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn’t whine so much. And maybe one day I’ll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I’m whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.

This teams looks good awful.

I guess hope to get hot at end of season and win the league

Its almost like people here don't watch other games.

Denver was #1 has lost 3 in a row
BC is #1 and is 7th in HE

We win tonight and we might be 2nd in the ECAC

For all the inconsistent play we have also had a large number of dominant periods that just hasn't led to goals.

we need to win the PP/PK battle a little more often. That alone is the reason for the record.

But really 31-10 on goal games should not be so hard. shots were 68-29 overall. How many games have we had like that.
That's all about effort and over time that should lead to wins.

Just because guys are playing does not mean they are healthy and that means less practice and timing is off.
Hopefully win tonight get the month off and get the team in sync.

chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.

The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden. It's going to take some time to get used to but I have a feeling this was unavoidable.

BearLover

In summation, extremely high expectations,

Each game I think, is this the night they turn into the team that I had hoped they would be? Tonight I'll be in Hamilton thinking the same thing.

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chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.

The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.

Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.

I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.

TimV

Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.

I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.

Agree. The idiot running the Houston Fieldhouse in Troy has music cranked to 11 out of 10. We had to move our season ticket seats to get to a spot between speakers rather than right under one. RPI's band long ago lost the piped in music battle.

TimV

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chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.

The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.

Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.

I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.

Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?

Can somebody give more color to this?

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chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.

The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden. It's going to take some time to get used to but I have a feeling this was unavoidable.

Really? If this is true, it's a death knell for Lynah atmosphere. When I was at UNH last year, they had the same issue: a good band that was only allowed to play sporadically because they competed with piped-in music. Every time the band played, the crowd was engaged. Every time music was pumped through the sound system, the crowd just sat there. That's a program that could be going places, and having an electric atmosphere could really give the team a boost when they most need it. If they had won a couple of more games last year, they would have gotten an NCAA bid. They're *that close* to turning a big corner.

It's kind of sad watching the games in Lynah. The Snakepit of the ECAC days are gone. It's going to take a long time to truly recover from Covid lockdowns. I know a lot of organizations nationwide, at all levels, have to rebuild traditions. I've worked hard the past to years as a high school booster on that. But I would have hoped that Cornell wouldn't have mucked up support for the hockey program, especially with such a strong band program.

In contrast, I've gone down to Oregon State for a few football games this year. The program was gutted by the coach going to Michigan State and staff and players following him. But they put on a *really* good show. The band is an integral part of that show, and the announcer and jumbotron cameramen interact with the crowd and feed off of what the crowd responds to. The team can have a very disappointing performance (and they have) but the games are still a good fan experience.

I don't feel that way about the Lynah games anymore. I had hoped that was simply a factor of being 3,000 miles away, but it sounds and looks like that's not the case.

They play pumped in music sometimes but the band still gets most of the stoppages. Last night was more speaker music than usual because it was supposed to be a “white out.” What’s really annoying is that the in period ice scraping stoppages now are taken up almost entirely by pumped in noise (not even music literally just noise) and they’ll play it in the middle of the band’s song, cowbell, tubas, whatever is going on. Tonight should have two bands if Cornell makes the trip like they normally do so that should be fun.

BearLover

TimV

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chimpfood
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.

The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.

Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.

I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.

Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?

Can somebody give more color to this?

Same. I appreciate the comments below, but I’d like a very exact appraisal of what’s going on, especially “noise” during period breaks and pumped-in music during in-game stoppages, because it needs to change.

I hate to ask specifically, but could you comment ACM?

Somebody needs to talk to the band and whoever is in charge of Lynah about this. It’s totally unacceptable. There should be no pumped in music after the game starts, at all. This should be fixable, because I know people here should have a line of contact to those in charge.

Has this been going on all year?

More color would still be appreciated…