Opponent and other news and results of interest 2024-2025

adamw
I realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.

BearLover

adamw
I realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.

Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as “this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]” and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team’s struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).

This is no longer worth arguing about. I’m going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.

BearLover

adamw
I realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.

Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as “this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]” and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team’s struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).

This is no longer worth arguing about. I’m going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.

adamw

BearLover

adamw
I realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.

Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as “this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]” and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team’s struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).

This is no longer worth arguing about. I’m going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.

Your reply here only proves every point I made in my post. Every single one. Good job. It's like performance art.

sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

stereax
Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

sah67

stereax
Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.

stereax

sah67

stereax
Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.

I have a friend who does stat tracking for BU and that's what he's saying happened, plus if you watch Pando's postgame he complains about it too. Quinn Hutson is NOTTTTTTTTTT their best player LMAO. You might be thinking of his brother Cole Hutson?

stereax
Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation.

sah67

stereax

sah67

stereax
Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.

I have a friend who does stat tracking for BU and that's what he's saying happened, plus if you watch Pando's postgame he complains about it too. Quinn Hutson is NOTTTTTTTTTT their best player LMAO. You might be thinking of his brother Cole Hutson?

Isn’t Quinn their scoring leader (which I realize doesn’t always equate with “best“)? Is Cole thought to be the better prospect?

I know Eiserman is the really highly touted one, but again I don’t follow BU enough to know how much those expectations have translated to on-ice performance.

stereax

Cole Hutson is for sure better than Quinn Hutson, but Cole plays D and Quinn plays F. Cole Eiserman is probably going to be the best NHL forward currently on the team, born goalscorer. For context, Quinn is a junior with 26 pts, both Coles are freshmen with 21.

From all I've understood, the forwards and defense are fine, but the goaltending has been really terrible this year and has cost BU. That being said, Yegorov looked really solid in his debut and it's assumed that he's going to be taking over starting goaltending duties from now on.

Iceberg

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Cole Hutson is for sure better than Quinn Hutson, but Cole plays D and Quinn plays F. Cole Eiserman is probably going to be the best NHL forward currently on the team, born goalscorer. For context, Quinn is a junior with 26 pts, both Coles are freshmen with 21.

From all I've understood, the forwards and defense are fine, but the goaltending has been really terrible this year and has cost BU. That being said, Yegorov looked really solid in his debut and it's assumed that he's going to be taking over starting goaltending duties from now on.

Taking over from the former Brown goaltender Caron, who just hasn't looked the same since transfering to BU after two years in the ECAC.

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sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

CU2007

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sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don’t even think you can do that.

stereax

CU2007

stereax

sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don’t even think you can do that.

Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.

Swampy

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CU2007

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sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don’t even think you can do that.

Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.

Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?

A.R. 2: Can referees assess penalties during the pregame warm-up? RULING:
Yes. Referees must penalize any infractions they observe during the warm-up in
the same manner as if play is actually in progress. Penalties assessed during the
warm-up will begin at the opening faceoff.

A.R. 4: Is it permissible for the home team to alter the protocol in situations in
which there is a common entrance to the ice surface for both teams? RULING:
Yes. Game management officials should avoid having teams cross when entering
or exiting the ice surface. Conferences and institutions are encouraged to
establish a written policy for visiting teams.
A.R. 5: May the visiting team take the ice before the home team for warmups?
RULING: Yes. While the visiting team may not take the ice before the time
designated in the pregame time schedule, it may take the ice before the home
team if the home team is not prepared to take the ice at its appointed time. The
home team must be assessed a bench minor penalty in this situation.

82.2 Pregame Protocol - The following pregame time schedule shall be used at
all games:
Put 60 minutes on the clock and start exactly one hour before game.
43:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that five
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice for warm-up.
39:00—Officials take ice for warm-up.
38:00—Home team takes ice for warm-up.
37:50—Visiting team takes ice for warm-up.
24:00— Horn sounds, signaling one minute remaining in warm-up; team
captains meet with officials.
Note: Meeting with captains may be held before the start of this time schedule.
23:00—Both teams off ice; ice will be resurfaced.
15:00— Eligible players and starting lineups submitted to official scorer.
The home team notifies the visiting team as to the length of
intermissions.
10:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that three
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice.
8:00—Officials take ice.
7:00—Home team takes ice.
6:50—Visiting team takes ice.
6:00— Horn sounds signaling teams to assemble on their respective goal
lines.
5:00— Starting lineups announced; national anthem, crowd control
statement read. Officials check each starting goalkeepers’ throat
straps.
0:00—Timekeeper puts 20 minutes on clock; game starts.
Note: Players are prohibited from being on the ice surface before the protocol
begins. Violations of this rule shall be reported to the team's conference for
further action.

David Harding

Swampy

stereax

CU2007

stereax

sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don’t even think you can do that.

Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.

Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?

I've just spent an inordinate fraction of my evening search the rule book for any relevant passages. There is nothing with any form of the word "decline" except that if a team declines to play an overtime period they lose the game. There is this in Section 4 of the Interpretations, emphasis mine.

A.R. 2: Can referees assess penalties during the pregame warm-up? RULING:
Yes. Referees must penalize any infractions they observe during the warm-up in
the same manner as if play is actually in progress. Penalties assessed during the
warm-up will begin at the opening faceoff.

And this in Section 10, Rule 82 on Timing

A.R. 4: Is it permissible for the home team to alter the protocol in situations in
which there is a common entrance to the ice surface for both teams? RULING:
Yes. Game management officials should avoid having teams cross when entering
or exiting the ice surface. Conferences and institutions are encouraged to
establish a written policy for visiting teams.
A.R. 5: May the visiting team take the ice before the home team for warmups?
RULING: Yes. While the visiting team may not take the ice before the time
designated in the pregame time schedule, it may take the ice before the home
team if the home team is not prepared to take the ice at its appointed time. The
home team must be assessed a bench minor penalty in this situation.

And for those interested in the Pregame Protocol:

82.2 Pregame Protocol - The following pregame time schedule shall be used at
all games:
Put 60 minutes on the clock and start exactly one hour before game.
43:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that five
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice for warm-up.
39:00—Officials take ice for warm-up.
38:00—Home team takes ice for warm-up.
37:50—Visiting team takes ice for warm-up.
24:00— Horn sounds, signaling one minute remaining in warm-up; team
captains meet with officials.
Note: Meeting with captains may be held before the start of this time schedule.
23:00—Both teams off ice; ice will be resurfaced.
15:00— Eligible players and starting lineups submitted to official scorer.
The home team notifies the visiting team as to the length of
intermissions.
10:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that three
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice.
8:00—Officials take ice.
7:00—Home team takes ice.
6:50—Visiting team takes ice.
6:00— Horn sounds signaling teams to assemble on their respective goal
lines.
5:00— Starting lineups announced; national anthem, crowd control
statement read. Officials check each starting goalkeepers’ throat
straps.
0:00—Timekeeper puts 20 minutes on clock; game starts.
Note: Players are prohibited from being on the ice surface before the protocol
begins. Violations of this rule shall be reported to the team's conference for
further action.

Swampy

stereax

CU2007

stereax

sah67
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):

[x.com]

Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.

Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don’t even think you can do that.

Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.

Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?

chimpfood
The beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.

stereax

chimpfood
The beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.

Wheeeeeee! I'm throwing my fish at the screen <3

The Rancor

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chimpfood
The beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.

Wheeeeeee! I'm throwing my fish at the screen <3

HA!

chimpfood
It’s silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.

chimpfood
It’s silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.

sah67

chimpfood
It’s silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.

Wasn’t watching, but it sounds like BU had their top powerplay unit out there with just a few minutes to go when they were already up 6-1. Did Donato do something to piss them off?

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

upprdeck
So basically the Yankees of the last 20 yrs

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

Iceberg

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

Consistent player underperformance due to or independent of coaching. Donato would'nt have lasted as long as he has at many other schools, that's for sure. But this is the Harvard admin we're talking about

arugula

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

Wait, what's a Harvard fan?

sah67

arugula

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

Wait, what's a Harvard fan?

As the BU fans on USCHO put it: "Too bad all of Harvard's fans walked out on them once the result seemed inevitable. Or maybe they both just wanted to get a beer from concessions."

stereax

sah67

arugula

BearLover
It’s honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I’d be furious if I were a Harvard fan.

Wait, what's a Harvard fan?

As the BU fans on USCHO put it: "Too bad all of Harvard's fans walked out on them once the result seemed inevitable. Or maybe they both just wanted to get a beer from concessions."

Harvard fan (noun): a device used to move air found in Cambridge, Massachusetts... wait...

upprdeck
So basically the Yankees of the last 20 yrs

arugula
So aggravating to see Maine at number 4. A team we beat fairly handily in the NCAA I thought.

scoop85

arugula
So aggravating to see Maine at number 4. A team we beat fairly handily in the NCAA I thought.

Different year, different team.

BearLover
We aren’t getting a bye, and we certainly aren’t getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don’t get an at-large bid.

RichH

BearLover
We aren’t getting a bye, and we certainly aren’t getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don’t get an at-large bid.

Not the only thing. I’ll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It’s still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.

RichH

BearLover
We aren’t getting a bye, and we certainly aren’t getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don’t get an at-large bid.

Not the only thing. I’ll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It’s still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.

Edit: Fukkit, the whole league top-to-bottom has as much parity as I’ve ever seen. Most years, there are 1-2 teams running away with it, and 1-2 teams with 2-4 wins. This year, the top 5 are within 5 points of each other, and the bottom 5 are within 3 points of each other. I feel the “any given night” cliche really hits. Nobody has fewer than 4 league losses and the last place team has 9. This is shaping up to be a weirdly unpredictable postseason.

RichH

BearLover
We aren’t getting a bye, and we certainly aren’t getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don’t get an at-large bid.

Not the only thing. I’ll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It’s still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.

Edit: Fukkit, the whole league top-to-bottom has as much parity as I’ve ever seen. Most years, there are 1-2 teams running away with it, and 1-2 teams with 2-4 wins. This year, the top 5 are within 5 points of each other, and the bottom 5 are within 3 points of each other. I feel the “any given night” cliche really hits. Nobody has fewer than 4 league losses and the last place team has 9. This is shaping up to be a weirdly unpredictable postseason.

arugula
Still going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.

Al DeFlorio

arugula
Still going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.

Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!

Trotsky
Our next "meaningful" game is the First Round. We can enjoy the rest of the RS as pure present experience with no lasting significance.

Not optimal, but its own aesthetic.

marty

Al DeFlorio

arugula
Still going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.

Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!

Had to think out loud to get that. I wonder if they pronounce the consonant somewhere between a "p" and a "b".

marty
Does eLynah have a designated language afficionado?

Al DeFlorio

arugula
Still going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.

Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!

chimpfood
Watching brown today and I didn’t realize that they could be scary in the next few years. Only 2 of their top 10 scorers are seniors and most are freshman or sophomores. Their stud goalie is also a sophomore so if they can hold on to their guys they might have their first ever stint of being good.

Snowball
Overlap at Kent School:

[neutralzone.com]

marty
I just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.

BearLover

marty
I just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.

Yes, need to root against Quinnipiac.

dbilmes
In the Beanpot final Monday night, won by BU over BC, 4-1, each team had 44 shots on goal. (Harvard beat Northeastern, 4-3, in consolation game).

BearLover

marty
I just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.

Yes, need to root against Quinnipiac.

CU2007
Yale blows a 4-1 lead in the 3rd against Colgate. Now tied 4-4 with 30 seconds left. I guess we were unlikely to catch Gate but certainly doesn’t help.

BearLover
Dartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.

BearLover
Dartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.