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Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:00PM

Mike Schafer retiring at the end of 2024-25 season. Hiring Casey Jones to be associate HC, and future head coach. AD Nicki Moore says "We will have one head coach this year." Still, an unusual, probably good, model, transitioning to a new HC over the course of the year.
-- 6/13/2024 via Zoom meeting with friends, sponsors, hockey boosters.

Schafer's record:
Overall 542–289–111 (.634)	
ECAC    337–174–83  (.637)
6 ECAC championships (96 97 03 05 10 24)
1 NCAA Frozen Four, no title games

In his 28 seasons behind the Big Red bench, Schafer has led the program to 14 NCAA Tournament appearances, including a trip to the 2003 Frozen Four – its first appearance in the NCAA semifinals since 1980. The 2002-03 Big Red established a school record for wins (30), one more than the 1969-70 national championship squad (29-0-0), which remains the lone Division I men’s program to win a national title while finishing undefeated and untied.

14 seasons with 20 wins
17 with at least a .600 winning percentage
13 Ivy League titles
 6 ECAC tournament championships (Whitelaw Cup) 
 6 Cleary Cups (best ECAC RS record) (established 2001) 

 1 Spencer Penrose Award, top coach, 2019-20
 5 ECAC Hockey Coach of the Year five 5X (2002, 2003, 2005, 2018, 2020)
 4 Ivy League Coach of the Year (2018, 2019, 2020, 2024) out of 9 tries (award began 2016)

Under Schafer, Cornell has claimed six Whitelaw Cups (ECAC Hockey tournament titles), surpassing the legendary Ned Harkness for most in Big Red history. He has also guided Cornell to six Cleary Cups as the conference’s regular-season champion, including three over the past seven years, and 13 Ivy League titles.


Casey Jones: 
1991–1993	Cornell (assistant)
1993–1995	Clarkson (assistant)
1995–2008	Ohio State (assistant)
2008–2011	Cornell (assistant)
2011–present	Clarkson 
Head coaching record: 
Overall 234–185–56 (.552)	
ECAC    116– 88–35 (.559)

Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2024 06:49PM by billhoward.

 
Re: Mike Schafer announcement
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:01PM

Wow, comes as a surprise but I’m glad to know before the season so we can really appreciate him. Let’s make this a special one.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Scersk '97 (104.28.39.---)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:19PM

billhoward
Schafer's record:
3 ECAC championships 

Ummmmm, 6 ECAC Championships.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2024 05:21PM by Scersk '97.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:24PM

AD NIcki Moore
“I wanted you to be among the first to know of Head Men’s Ice Hockey Coach Mike Schafer’s planned retirement following the 2024-2025 season. Simultaneously, we are excited to announce the hiring of Casey Jones, ‘90 as Associate Head Coach and the new Jay R. Bloom ‘77 Head Coach of Cornell Men’s Ice Hockey following the 2024-25 season.

Since taking over as head coach at his alma mater during the summer of 1995, Schafer has led Cornell to great heights. His career record of 542-229-111 ranks in the top 25 in college hockey history and top six among active head coaches entering the 2024-25 campaign in both victories and winning percentage. His teams have collected 14 NCAA Tournament appearances, including advancing to the 2003 Frozen Four — the program's first appearance in the national semifinals since the 1979-80 campaign. Schafer’s teams have won six ECAC Hockey regu“lar season and tournament titles and have been crowned Ivy League champions on 13 occasions.

As both Coach Schafer and Coach Jones, along with the staff, are fully focused on coaching and supporting the 2024-25 team and recruiting future Cornellians, there will be no immediate public recognition of Coach Schafer’s planned May 2025 retirement, or of Coach Jones’ projected succession. At the appropriate times, both of these momentous events will be aptly celebrated with Lynah Faithful and all who love Big Red Hockey.

The return of Coach Jones after a successful 13-year run as head coach at Clarkson is a unique opportunity to pair two of the nation’s top collegiate coaches for the upcoming season. The two coaches have worked together on the bench, are friends going back more than three decades and are philosophically aligned about running a hockey program and how to treat student-athletes in their care. We couldn’t be more excited for the upcoming season!”
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:26PM

Scersk '97
billhoward
Schafer's record:
3 ECAC championships 

Ummmmm, 6 ECAC Championships.

The database isn't working, so I can't check which one of you is right. But I suspect Scersk is. So, I'll add this:

And we're returning a team that's loaded, with two coaches that have both proven they can coach at the highest level. Let's hope 7 is a lucky number for us, which will translate into #3.

BTW, if any potential recruits need convincing about Cornell, consider that both the Head and Associate Head coaches had many other opportunities, but both chose to come back to Cornell to coach because the love the school.

I'll also add that this situation has a family resemblance to our current men's lacrosse coaching situation. And that's working out pretty well.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2024 05:30PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: kingpin248 (---.keznews.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:29PM

Swampy
Scersk '97
billhoward
Schafer's record:
3 ECAC championships 

Ummmmm, 6 ECAC Championships.

The database isn't working, so I can't check which one of you is right. But I suspect Scersk is.

1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010, 2024.

 
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Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:37PM

CHN: "Clarkson Head Coach Casey Jones Moving to Cornell as Head Coach in Waiting."

P.S. If Mike was going to retire, it's hard to think of a better scenario.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:51PM

I’m not sure what to make of this situation. Casey is only 5 years younger than Mike, so it’s not like this change is infusing the program with young blood. Casey was successful at Clarkson with few resources. But not wildly successful. I think the most important thing at this point is retaining our excellent rising sophomore class and recruits through Mike’s retirement and beyond. From that perspective, the one-year succession plan is very welcome news. Though, the alternative of promoting Syer would have likely ensured nobody leaves after next year, or at any point before graduating/turning pro.

I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left? I still think he’s the most likely next-next head coach (after Jones, who, again, is 56).

At the end of the day, this is Cornell we’re talking about. They weren’t going to make a flashy hire. It was always going to be an alum or an internal promotion. From that perspective, Casey and Syer were the two best options. And Casey comes with 13 years of head coaching experience. So I think this is the best we could have hoped for.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:57PM

billhoward
Mike Schafer retiring at the end of 2024-25 season. Hiring Casey Jones to be associate HC, and future head coach. AD Nicki Moore says "We will have one head coach this year." Still, an unusual, probably good, model, transitioning to a new HC over the course of the year.
-- 6/13/2024 via Zoom meeting with friends, sponsors, hockey boosters.

Schafer's record:
Overall 542–289–111 (.634)	
ECAC    337–174–83  (.637)
3 ECAC championships 
1 NCAA Frozen Four 

Casey Jones: 
1991–1993	Cornell (assistant)
1993–1995	Clarkson (assistant)
1995–2008	Ohio State (assistant)
2008–2011	Cornell (assistant)
2011–present	Clarkson 
Head coaching record: 
Overall 234–185–56 (.552)	
ECAC    116– 88–35 (.559)
C’mon, man. 3 ECAC titles?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Ben Rocky '04 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 05:58PM

BearLover
So I think this is the best we could have hoped for.

Absolutely correct. This seems very cautious, well-considered and yet again I continue to be optimistic about our new AD.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:03PM

Ben Rocky '04
BearLover
So I think this is the best we could have hoped for.

Absolutely correct. This seems very cautious, well-considered and yet again I continue to be optimistic about our new AD.
To clarify one thing—this is the best we could have hoped for *given Mike retiring*. The true best we could have hoped for was Mike not retiring. But I’m still content with this, overall. It is what it is. And like you, I’m pleased with the money and effort the new AD committed here.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Ben Rocky '04 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:21PM

Yea absolutely with you. Beyond sad that he's retiring. I am really trying to be as optimistic as I can be, and this is the best we could have asked for.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:36PM

BearLover
I’m not sure what to make of this situation. Casey is only 5 years younger than Mike, so it’s not like this change is infusing the program with young blood...
It's not like either of them are all the old! Schafer is barely in his 60's, but he's had health problems and has been at the helm for decades of success. Good combination of reasons to hang it up. Jones hasn't had the same success but then again he wasn't recruiting for us! And as far as I know, he's had none of the health problems.

I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!

 
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:37PM

BearLover
...

I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left? I still think he’s the most likely next-next head coach (after Jones, who, again, is 56).

I believe Mike is 62 and will be 63 when he retires. He's also had some serious health issues. If Casey coaches until he's 63, he'll be HC for 7 years; 9 if he retires at 65. Regarding recruiting, I think Cornell is far more attractive to prospective recruits than Clarkson, and we have every reason to believe Casey should be very successful here. If so, I'll be very happy with 7-9 more years of the excellence to which we have become accustomed.

I also doubt few, if any, current Cornell players or recruits will defect, given how the transition is being handled. OTOH, there may be some Clarkson players or recruits who decide to jump ship -- maybe to Cornell, if they can get in.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.216.---)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:38PM

You know, this is funny because I was thinking about this the past weekend at reunion. I happened to walk by a restaurant at the Commons and saw him outside at a table with a few other people. Well, now here's the answer
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:39PM

Scersk '97
billhoward
Schafer's record:
3 ECAC championships 

Ummmmm, 6 ECAC Championships.
Correct.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:42PM

ugarte
BearLover
I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!
This hypothetical person you’re thinking of who posted Syer wouldn’t be the next head coach—such a person would have more credibility if he didn’t, in that very same post, also say Casey wouldn’t be the next head coach!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2024 06:42PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-215-242.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 06:54PM

BearLover
ugarte
BearLover
I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!
This hypothetical person you’re thinking of who posted Syer wouldn’t be the next head coach—such a person would have more credibility if he didn’t, in that very same post, also say Casey wouldn’t be the next head coach!

He also never denied my suggestion that he was actually the coach in waiting.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: imafrshmn (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 07:58PM

I for one am happy for Coach Schafer. Selfishly I'd like him to stay another decade but he's earned his retirement, and that's a very personal decision that we must honor.

 
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Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-215-242.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 08:16PM

Casey's done a lot with a team that I can't imagine is easy to recruit for.

And good for Coach Schafer.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 08:29PM

When Cornell played in the Las Vegas tournament, ah, 3-4-5 years ago, at a pre-game reception for Cornell fans, he joked about liking the Xmas holiday trips to Vegas and Phoenix tournaments because it also game him a chance to look at places to look at for retirement years. It was a joke and I also thought it was on his mind.

Phoenix, also Vegas, are places that are nice for retirement. The more money you have, the nicer the places are for retiring. If you were Casey, you'd love to have Mike sitting up in the press box as a sign of continuity. But you might not 100% love him there every night. Because when Casey loses a game, we'll all be yapping about how Schafer would've played that team.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: pfibiger (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 08:33PM

BearLover
ugarte
BearLover
I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!
This hypothetical person you’re thinking of who posted Syer wouldn’t be the next head coach—such a person would have more credibility if he didn’t, in that very same post, also say Casey wouldn’t be the next head coach!



 
___________________________
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[www.fibiger.org]
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 11:52PM

here's some more insight on the process from AD Moore, via the Cornell Chronicle. Clearly Syer knew he wasn't the answer.

[news.cornell.edu]

“When Coach Schafer approached me this past spring about his desire to retire, his focus was to support the current student-athletes and to make sure he left the program in the best possible position,” Moore said. “I think, in every way, we are doing that. After agreeing to stay on as head coach for one more season, and with the understanding of my commitment that Mike’s successor would be a successful sitting Division I head coach with an uncommon passion for Cornell hockey, Mike and I worked together to develop an impressive list of candidates.

“Casey emerged as the right successor for this esteemed program,” Moore said. “This creative succession solution allows us to seamlessly compete to win in the present and plan for the future with our current and future student-athletes top of mind. To have a coach of Casey’s caliber be supportive of this approach, and to have a person with his character and deep ties to Cornell be fully enthusiastic about the unique opportunity our plan offers is extraordinary. I am so excited for Mike, for Casey and for our student-athletes and staff.”
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 12:34AM

abmarks
here's some more insight on the process from AD Moore, via the Cornell Chronicle. Clearly Syer knew he wasn't the answer.

[news.cornell.edu]

“When Coach Schafer approached me this past spring about his desire to retire, his focus was to support the current student-athletes and to make sure he left the program in the best possible position,” Moore said. “I think, in every way, we are doing that. After agreeing to stay on as head coach for one more season, and with the understanding of my commitment that Mike’s successor would be a successful sitting Division I head coach with an uncommon passion for Cornell hockey, Mike and I worked together to develop an impressive list of candidates.

“Casey emerged as the right successor for this esteemed program,” Moore said. “This creative succession solution allows us to seamlessly compete to win in the present and plan for the future with our current and future student-athletes top of mind. To have a coach of Casey’s caliber be supportive of this approach, and to have a person with his character and deep ties to Cornell be fully enthusiastic about the unique opportunity our plan offers is extraordinary. I am so excited for Mike, for Casey and for our student-athletes and staff.”

Can someone help me come up with"an impressive list" of "successful sitting Division I head coach[es] with an uncommon passion for Cornell hockey"?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Old Red (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 05:56AM

David Harding
Can someone help me come up with"an impressive list" of "successful sitting Division I head coach[es] with an uncommon passion for Cornell hockey"?

Brent Brekke.
Doug Derraugh.

I guess Cornell is correcting an error from some 50 years ago. Back when Harkness left everyone said it should have been Len Ceglarski, then of Clarkson, over Bertrand. Let's hope it works out better than this episode of Car 54.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2024 06:29AM by Old Red.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ithacat (---.dsl.telepac.pt)
Date: June 14, 2024 06:45AM

David Harding

Can someone help me come up with"an impressive list" of "successful sitting Division I head coach[es] with an uncommon passion for Cornell hockey"?

Ted Donato and Rand Pecknold may fit that definition, though their passion may be a bit more twisted toward/against Cornell. If I think of it as a deeply understood respect for and recognition of the passion that is Cornell hockey then it opens up a bit. Still, it's a pretty short list. Is one even a list?

Should make for a smooth transition and I'm excited to see Casey get some recruiting mojo back. I think when he was last here we were really plugged into St. Mike's, and his top (?) recruit for Clarkson in 25 is a St. Mike's kid. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Jonathan Morello. I think it was also the last time we picked up an Ithaca prospect and started to dip into the USNTDP pool. Of course, things change and Casey may have had very little to do with those things. For now, I just want to enjoy Mike's last ride behind the bench. Should be fun.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 11:40AM

The burning question on my mind is: what happened the last two years at Clarkson? The program was on a very nice run under Casey, until the past two years. The talent was there, but the wins were not. Many players transferred into and out of the school during this time (though, maybe that’s just the reality for all the non-Ivies). Hiring Casey would have been a slam dunk in 2022. Two years later, his success at Clarkson looks quite a bit more modest.

Does Cornell have more/better resources than Clarkson? Probably, but without being able to offer scholarships, it’s hard to say by how much. I think the quality of recruit at Clarkson under Casey wasn’t materially different from at Cornell under Schafer. Was that in spite of Clarkson’s disadvantages, or is it a sign Clarkson didn’t have that many disadvantages after all?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Chousnake (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 12:33PM

I'm sure an ice hockey recruit would prefer Cornell to Clarkson for numerous reasons both from a hockey standpoint and a college/education standpoint.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (---.datapacket.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 12:35PM

I thought of making this a new thread, but decided against it to prevent thread glut.

With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

Similarly, with Mike, I'd like to know the most important things he wants to make sure Casey learns and masters this coming year.

At the end of the season, I'd like Casey to tell us what he learned from working alongside Mike this year. And vice versa.

During this upcoming year, I'd like both coaches to evaluate every aspect of Cornell Men's Hockey -- including recruiting, training, tactics, scheduling, ticketing, etc. -- and come up with a plan to improve it in coming years under Casey.

Perhaps part of the above, they should identify the next Associate Head Coach, after Mike steps down from HC and Casey ascends to be HC.

The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

What other ways of using the knowledge of both men while we have both of them, and of honoring Mike, would you like to see?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2024 12:37PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 12:41PM

pfibiger
BearLover
ugarte
BearLover
I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!
This hypothetical person you’re thinking of who posted Syer wouldn’t be the next head coach—such a person would have more credibility if he didn’t, in that very same post, also say Casey wouldn’t be the next head coach!

I thank Adam for using the nickname and keeping our Strategic Lowercase R Reserve well-stocked.

 
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-193-4.myvzw.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 01:39PM

Swampy
I thought of making this a new thread, but decided against it to prevent thread glut.

With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

Similarly, with Mike, I'd like to know the most important things he wants to make sure Casey learns and masters this coming year.

At the end of the season, I'd like Casey to tell us what he learned from working alongside Mike this year. And vice versa.

During this upcoming year, I'd like both coaches to evaluate every aspect of Cornell Men's Hockey -- including recruiting, training, tactics, scheduling, ticketing, etc. -- and come up with a plan to improve it in coming years under Casey.

Perhaps part of the above, they should identify the next Associate Head Coach, after Mike steps down from HC and Casey ascends to be HC.

The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

What other ways of using the knowledge of both men while we have both of them, and of honoring Mike, would you like to see?
I think Sean Flanagan will be the next associate head coach. He will have been assistant coach for nine years by that point.

I agree they should retire Mike’s number.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 01:51PM

Should be a memorable Senior Night on February 22 against SLU, coached by Schaefer protégé, Brent Brekke. Clarkson, of course, will be Friday’s opponent.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 03:01PM

if you get Casey to coach until 62 and then thinks about retiring then we have been successful.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Troyfan (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 04:38PM

Dafatone
Casey's done a lot with a team that I can't imagine is easy to recruit for.

And good for Coach Schafer.

When Jones went to Clarkson some kids he had recruited for Cornell must have gone with him. The following year, maybe 2, must have Mike's worst. I saw them play RIT, I believe, in a Christmas tournament in Albany and get shut out, 4-0. They were awful.

Clarkson's had good players. I think Jones is a good recruiter,too. Clarkson academics are up there with RPI. Hockey there fights the same academic headwinds Cornell does, if not stronger ones.

Some words from Mike on the situation. I don't know another like it in all the college hockey coaching changes I've ever heard about.

[www.youtube.com]
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 05:46PM

Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 05:57PM

BearLover
ugarte
BearLover
I guess Syer understood he wasn’t going to be the next head coach, and so he left?
He wasn't the only one who understood this!
This hypothetical person you’re thinking of who posted Syer wouldn’t be the next head coach—such a person would have more credibility if he didn’t, in that very same post, also say Casey wouldn’t be the next head coach!

This hypothetical person only said that about Casey because I wasn't expecting Schafer to retire this quickly, and because Casey is only 5 years behind him. So - I figured if Coach retired in 5 years - they wouldn't give it to Casey in that scenario.

I realize you're trying hard to cling to your narrative that I didn't know what I was talking about - but hey ...

Casey Jones is a home run in this scenario - everyone knows it - and I assure you, I would never say or think otherwise. Casey is the best candidate for the job by a factor of 10 million.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: June 14, 2024 07:04PM

David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.


Un-retire the numbers and create a "Ring of Honor" (Wall of Honor? Rafter of Honor?) instead. Then we'd be able to honor people like Ned and Teet.

I'll die on this hill.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: June 14, 2024 07:08PM

Troyfan
Dafatone
Casey's done a lot with a team that I can't imagine is easy to recruit for.

And good for Coach Schafer.

When Jones went to Clarkson some kids he had recruited for Cornell must have gone with him. The following year, maybe 2, must have Mike's worst. I saw them play RIT, I believe, in a Christmas tournament in Albany and get shut out, 4-0. They were awful.

Clarkson's had good players. I think Jones is a good recruiter,too. Clarkson academics are up there with RPI. Hockey there fights the same academic headwinds Cornell does, if not stronger ones.

Some words from Mike on the situation. I don't know another like it in all the college hockey coaching changes I've ever heard about.

[www.youtube.com]

He looks rested and happy. It should be a fun year, and I hope we all enjoy it.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 14, 2024 07:18PM

David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.

With the team & coaches we have coming back, we have good reason to hope that #3 has a double meaning this year. banana
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2024 07:18PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 08:11PM

Troyfan
Clarkson academics are up there with RPI.

This is almost as silly a what used to be thrown about in Troy. "RPI is right up there with MIT."

I don't buy Clarkson being overall near RPI academically - even after Shirley Jackson jacked off and pissed off the majority of the RPI faculty.

I can't say there aren't excellent programs at Clarkson and there are some clinkers at RPI. I could be wrong. Yet I think they aren't really close in academic stature.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: VIEWfromK (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 10:08PM

The first thing my youngster asked me after I told him the news was, “what song will they play after a win?”.

I still hope Topher factors into this at some point.

Was Jones still under contract at Clarkson? I have only read the email so I didn’t know if Cornell had to compensate them in any way?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 10:22PM

RichH
David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.


Un-retire the numbers and create a "Ring of Honor" (Wall of Honor? Rafter of Honor?) instead. Then we'd be able to honor people like Ned and Teet.

I'll die on this hill.

I'll die on that hill with you
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2024 10:25PM

BearLover
I think Sean Flanagan will be the next associate head coach. He will have been assistant coach for nine years by that point.

I agree they should retire Mike’s number.

I wouldn't assume so quickly on next assoc. HC. That's ultimately up to Casey, not Mike. Who knows how Casey and Flanagan get along or what Casey thinks of him. Plus Casey may have someone from outside that he decides to bring in this time next year.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ithacat (---.dsl.telepac.pt)
Date: June 15, 2024 01:17AM

abmarks

I wouldn't assume so quickly on next assoc. HC. That's ultimately up to Casey, not Mike. Who knows how Casey and Flanagan get along or what Casey thinks of him. Plus Casey may have someone from outside that he decides to bring in this time next year.

I’m curious if we see Joe Palmer back in Ithaca as an assistant. I believe Casey recruited him to OSU. He had a nice stint with Mike at Cornell and now is on the Providence staff. Plus he’s a Utica native. I have no idea what kind of recruiter he is.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Troyfan (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 15, 2024 06:28AM

marty
Troyfan
Clarkson academics are up there with RPI.

This is almost as silly a what used to be thrown about in Troy. "RPI is right up there with MIT."

I don't buy Clarkson being overall near RPI academically - even after Shirley Jackson jacked off and pissed off the majority of the RPI faculty.

I can't say there aren't excellent programs at Clarkson and there are some clinkers at RPI. I could be wrong. Yet I think they aren't really close in academic stature.

My comments are based on a small sample: my own work experience, which doesn't include any lawyering or doctoring. But the Clarkson engineers were as good as any, Which included RPI and Cornell products. Included is experience before Shirley wrought her woe.

Anyway, the point is that Casey has dealt with academic constraints of the most stringent kind successfully. Constraints not only on recruiting, but on hockey budgets and the conflict for time between school work and athletics. He is much better prepared for Cornell than a candidate from one of hockey factory schools.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 06:45AM

Troyfan
marty
Troyfan
Clarkson academics are up there with RPI.

This is almost as silly a what used to be thrown about in Troy. "RPI is right up there with MIT."

I don't buy Clarkson being overall near RPI academically - even after Shirley Jackson jacked off and pissed off the majority of the RPI faculty.

I can't say there aren't excellent programs at Clarkson and there are some clinkers at RPI. I could be wrong. Yet I think they aren't really close in academic stature.

My comments are based on a small sample: my own work experience, which doesn't include any lawyering or doctoring. But the Clarkson engineers were as good as any, Which included RPI and Cornell products. Included is experience before Shirley wrought her woe.

Anyway, the point is that Casey has dealt with academic constraints of the most stringent kind successfully. Constraints not only on recruiting, but on hockey budgets and the conflict for time between school work and athletics. He is much better prepared for Cornell than a candidate from one of hockey factory schools.
RPI admits 65%, Clarkson 78%. Some difference. SAT score range is higher at RPI. Key factor for hockey coach is how supportive are admissions office and administration.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 15, 2024 09:35AM

Troyfan
marty
Troyfan
Clarkson academics are up there with RPI.

This is almost as silly a what used to be thrown about in Troy. "RPI is right up there with MIT."

I don't buy Clarkson being overall near RPI academically - even after Shirley Jackson jacked off and pissed off the majority of the RPI faculty.

I can't say there aren't excellent programs at Clarkson and there are some clinkers at RPI. I could be wrong. Yet I think they aren't really close in academic stature.

My comments are based on a small sample: my own work experience, which doesn't include any lawyering or doctoring. But the Clarkson engineers were as good as any, Which included RPI and Cornell products. Included is experience before Shirley wrought her woe.

Anyway, the point is that Casey has dealt with academic constraints of the most stringent kind successfully. Constraints not only on recruiting, but on hockey budgets and the conflict for time between school work and athletics. He is much better prepared for Cornell than a candidate from one of hockey factory schools.

Agree.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 10:09AM

RichH
David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.


Un-retire the numbers and create a "Ring of Honor" (Wall of Honor? Rafter of Honor?) instead. Then we'd be able to honor people like Ned and Teet.

I'll die on this hill.

You won't be alone.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 10:12AM

I wonder if any of Casey's recruits will move with him?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 10:29AM

VIEWfromK
The first thing my youngster asked me after I told him the news was, “what song will they play after a win?”.

Two possibilies:

Only problem is they're both somewhat pessimistic. Then there's this takeoff, which uses the toon, but with the wrong name.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 10:33AM

Al DeFlorio
Troyfan
marty
Troyfan
Clarkson academics are up there with RPI.

This is almost as silly a what used to be thrown about in Troy. "RPI is right up there with MIT."

I don't buy Clarkson being overall near RPI academically - even after Shirley Jackson jacked off and pissed off the majority of the RPI faculty.

I can't say there aren't excellent programs at Clarkson and there are some clinkers at RPI. I could be wrong. Yet I think they aren't really close in academic stature.

My comments are based on a small sample: my own work experience, which doesn't include any lawyering or doctoring. But the Clarkson engineers were as good as any, Which included RPI and Cornell products. Included is experience before Shirley wrought her woe.

Anyway, the point is that Casey has dealt with academic constraints of the most stringent kind successfully. Constraints not only on recruiting, but on hockey budgets and the conflict for time between school work and athletics. He is much better prepared for Cornell than a candidate from one of hockey factory schools.
RPI admits 65%, Clarkson 78%. Some difference. SAT score range is higher at RPI. Key factor for hockey coach is how supportive are admissions office and administration.
ECAC admissions rates (based on last available data via quick googling):
Harvard—4%
Yale—4%
Princeton—5%
Brown—5%
Dartmouth—5%
Cornell—7%
Colgate—12%
Union—47%
St. Lawrence—63%
RPI—65%
Clarkson—78%
Quinnipiac—84%

Most hockey recruits don’t care about academic prestige, though. Frankly, I personally don’t even care. While it has been cool to attend academically prestigious schools, I have to say, having now been ten years removed, it doesn’t affect my life much if at all. (And that’s assuming admit rate even correlates with prestige in the first place.) I doubt most college hockey recruits care either.

With that said, academic prestige is obviously a major recruiting selling point for all the Ivies, and probably not for the other ECAC schools. Admissions standards are surely also more relevant in the Ivies. Couple the academic aspects with the lack of scholarships, and I’d say Casey will now be recruiting into a completely different world than at Clarkson.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 10:51AM

Swampy
VIEWfromK
The first thing my youngster asked me after I told him the news was, “what song will they play after a win?”.

Two possibilies:

Only problem is they're both somewhat pessimistic. Then there's this takeoff, which uses the toon, but with the wrong name.

This is the only version worth considering.

Adjacent, and more upbeat.

But I vote we enshrine Mike and play the Scha(e)fer song for the next hundred years. As with "Screw BU," some things transcend the moment and become immortal.
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 06/15/2024 11:00AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 11:38AM

the problem with admission rates now is that for many its artificial.

Back in the day you applied to the schools you thought you might get into and it cost real money to apply so you kept choices low

Now it's a rite of passage to apply to all the ivies and try to get accepted to all of them even if the intentions is to go to one single school. That rarely happens with other types of schools in such high numbers. if 75% of ivy kids over apply it totally skews numbers
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: The Rancor (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 12:43PM

Trotsky
RichH
David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.


Un-retire the numbers and create a "Ring of Honor" (Wall of Honor? Rafter of Honor?) instead. Then we'd be able to honor people like Ned and Teet.

I'll die on this hill.

You won't be alone.

I'm on this too. I don't like retired numbers (maybe in a unique and unprecedented career or circumstance) Bring on the circle of honor.

Also, Casey Jones by the Dead is perfect (and still room for the Schafer's Beer Song forever)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/15/2024 12:48PM by The Rancor.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: pfibiger (---.cust.exede.net)
Date: June 15, 2024 12:53PM

adamw

Casey Jones is a home run in this scenario - everyone knows it - and I assure you, I would never say or think otherwise. Casey is the best candidate for the job by a factor of 10 million.

I’m thrilled that Casey is an alum and a successful coach and a demonstrated great recruiter and coached here previously — he feels like the perfect choice to me.

My visibility to what a really wide candidate pool could look like isn’t anywhere like Adam’s — so this statement means a lot to me. I’m super excited about next year and the future!

 
___________________________
Phil Fibiger '01
[www.fibiger.org]
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 15, 2024 01:49PM

The Rancor


Also, Casey Jones by the Dead is perfect (and still room for the Schafer's Beer Song forever)

I agree, but I also like Trotsky's idea of using Mississippi John Hurt's version. Perhaps recruiters for Cornell's Band can get some alums to establish a few special scholarships for recruiting delta blues guitar players. They could even start recruiting this summer at the Grassroots Festival in Trumansburg next month. drunk
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Troyfan (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 06:52AM

Leaving Mike and Casey aside for the moment, all I can say is it's straight out of Bizzaro World that Clarkson and RPI admit well over half of their applicants. Things have obviously progressed much worse than I ever could have imagined!
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 08:39AM

Posted on X by Topher Scott —

“A true legend of the game. I owe so much of what I have in my life to Schafe. Gave me a chance as a college hockey player. Gave me a chance as a college hockey coach.

Getting the chance to work with him and be a part of what goes on behind the scenes…it’s not an accident Cornell has been a top team in the country for the last 3 decades.

When I think about Cornell Hockey, I know exactly what that means. It’s tough to play against. It’s a collective group of players bought in to the front of the jersey. It’s a culture of accountability and excellence.

It’s identity.

Congrats to one of the best.

On top of that, I’m really excited for Casey too. What an awesome person to pass the torch to. Cornell Hockey will continue to thrive.

Go Big Red.”
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 01:03PM

Side note on this - some Deadhead friends went to see Dead & Co at the Sphere in Vegas yesterday. Evidently they project the inside of Barton Hall on the inside of the Sphere at one point in the show.

And here's the obligatory Youtube link - see the first 30 seconds or so.

 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: dag14 (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: June 16, 2024 02:01PM

My son sent me the video and it completely freaked me out because it was almost exactly my perspective from the bleachers in the back of Barton in 1977!
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: billhoward (45.88.222.---)
Date: June 16, 2024 04:13PM

>>> With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

This is attack journalism. Works good on TV if you don't plan to ask the person on again.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 09:43PM

billhoward
>>> With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

This is attack journalism. Works good on TV if you don't plan to ask the person on again.

Too bad no one asked him in the tunnel after Clarkson's season ending loss during the ECAC playoffs. All you would need is a hidden camera or a buddy with a cell phone to produce a viral video. Though you might also need an ambulance.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 16, 2024 09:50PM

marty
billhoward
>>> With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

This is attack journalism. Works good on TV if you don't plan to ask the person on again.

Too bad no one asked him in the tunnel after Clarkson's season ending loss during the ECAC playoffs. All you would need is a hidden camera or a buddy with a cell phone to produce a viral video. Though you might also need an ambulance.

Would it be less of an attack if he were asked what he thinks he can do differently at Cornell?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 09:50PM

Troyfan
Leaving Mike and Casey aside for the moment, all I can say is it's straight out of Bizzaro World that Clarkson and RPI admit well over half of their applicants. Things have obviously progressed much worse than I ever could have imagined!

One issue at RPI is that like many financially successful schools -including Cornell- class size increased over the past 30 years to boost revenue. I guess that the number of applicants hasn't increased in proportion to the incoming class size.

I don't know if Clarkson bulked up their incoming class size.

In an attempt to drift this thread even further I'll note there was a recent article in the Albany Times Union regarding Union College. Their finances have been recognized as negative because the financial aid doled out to support their students has caused years of deficit spending. The school has stated they aren't the next Wells College yet are going to attempt to improve finances by changing the mix of students. If successful the change will decrease the percentage of financial support across the tuition budget. One aim is to keep total faculty size at the current level. For this their legacy might better be served by Houdini than Edison.

Times Union on UC - hopefully with no paywall
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2024 09:55PM

Double post in error because the eLynah interface told me it rejected the first because I was deemed a bot. At least it doesn't think I'm AI.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2024 10:06PM by marty.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Troyfan (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 17, 2024 06:49AM

marty
Troyfan
Leaving Mike and Casey aside for the moment, all I can say is it's straight out of Bizzaro World that Clarkson and RPI admit well over half of their applicants. Things have obviously progressed much worse than I ever could have imagined!

One issue at RPI is that like many financially successful schools -including Cornell- class size increased over the past 30 years to boost revenue. I guess that the number of applicants hasn't increased in proportion to the incoming class size.

I don't know if Clarkson bulked up their incoming class size.

In an attempt to drift this thread even further I'll note there was a recent article in the Albany Times Union regarding Union College. Their finances have been recognized as negative because the financial aid doled out to support their students has caused years of deficit spending. The school has stated they aren't the next Wells College yet are going to attempt to improve finances by changing the mix of students. If successful the change will decrease the percentage of financial support across the tuition budget. One aim is to keep total faculty size at the current level. For this their legacy might better be served by Houdini than Edison.

Times Union on UC - hopefully with no paywall

Funny how they never mention cutting administrators to save money even though almost every college has more of them than of faculty. Some in CA have more admins than students. In my 4 years before the mast you could go a whole year without seeing an admin.

That's my last puff in thread drift's sails.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.biz.spectrum.com)
Date: June 17, 2024 08:12AM

TroyFan
the point is that Casey has dealt with academic constraints of the most stringent kind successfully.

But let's drop the idea that this was a problem at Clarkson.

The way he showed that he could deal with this was that he recruited for Cornell.

I find it hard to believe that he didn't find it much easier when he went to Clarkson.

BearLover
Most hockey recruits don’t care about academic prestige,

Then in the same post you said

BearLover
With that said, academic prestige is obviously a major recruiting selling point for all the Ivies

Tough to say both of those at the same time.

I'll agree with the second. Almost every recruit says it. You can say it's what they have to say, but I think they believe it.

And from discussions I've heard, certainly their parents believe it.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 17, 2024 09:13AM

marty
billhoward
>>> With Casey coming in after having been Clarkson's head coach for 13 years, I'd like to know what mistakes he thinks he made at Clarkson and what he would do at Cornell to avoid repeating them.

This is attack journalism. Works good on TV if you don't plan to ask the person on again.

Too bad no one asked him in the tunnel after Clarkson's season ending loss during the ECAC playoffs. All you would need is a hidden camera or a buddy with a cell phone to produce a viral video. Though you might also need an ambulance.
One word. Drones.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 17, 2024 09:22AM

BearLover
Most hockey recruits don’t care about academic prestige,

Then in the same post you said

BearLover
With that said, academic prestige is obviously a major recruiting selling point for all the Ivies

Tough to say both of those at the same time.
[/quote]
The first statement applies to the full universe of college hockey recruits.

The second applies to the Ivies and how they market themselves to the smaller subset of potential recruits who (or whose parents) do care about academic prestige.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 17, 2024 09:29AM

In Bear's defense, that was how I read his statements. And I agree with him.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 18, 2024 10:13AM

RichH
David Harding
Swampy


The university should consider retiring Mike's jersey number, not because of his HOF achievements in the NHL but because of his extraordinary, lifelong contribution to Cornell Hockey.

Totally agree on retiring his jersey number. They probably ought to let Jack O'Brien play his last two years trying to live up to the Schafer standard, then retire #3.


Un-retire the numbers and create a "Ring of Honor" (Wall of Honor? Rafter of Honor?) instead. Then we'd be able to honor people like Ned and Teet.

I'll die on this hill.

+1

Barring that, I hope retired numbers ends up like honorary degrees: something Cornell did one time and then thought better of.

 
___________________________
JTW

@jtwcornell91@hostux.social
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 18, 2024 04:10PM

Since I am not a Cornell alum/fan, I did not realize that when Schafer retires in a year, he will have been Cornell's head coach for 30 years counting the COVID year. What surprised me was that I recall reading here posts showing that people were dissatisfied with Brian McCutcheon. That means that I must have been reading this forum before that. So I checked my profile which shows I have been a member since 2004. Many others have that year at about the same date as me. Was the board reset back then? I do recall having taken the user name ursaminor first and someone pointed out that was the female form. They don't teach Latin at RPI although I did know that alumnus is the male form and alumna the female form. I can hear my mother saying that not requiring eight years of Latin is what is wrong about the American school system. :-D

Sorry about the thread drift.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2024 06:59AM by ursusminor.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 18, 2024 04:53PM

ursusminor
Since I am not a Cornell alum/fan, I did not realize that when Schafer retires in a year, he will have been Cornell's head coach for 30 years counting the COVID year. What surprised me was that I recall reading here posts showing that people were dissatisfied with Brian McCutcheon. That means the I must have been reading this forum before that. So I checked my profile which shows I have been a member since 2004. Many others have that year at about the same date as me. Was the board reset back then? I do recall having taken the user name ursaminor first and someone pointed out that was the female form. They don't teach Latin at RPI although I did know that alumnus is the male form and alumna the female form. I can hear my mother saying that not requiring eight years of Latin is what is wrong about the American school system. :-D

Sorry about the thread drift.

It was transitioned from another client. I lost my original name at the time because Macs can't deal with apostrophes or some such thing. (Actually Cowbell Guy was very polite and apologetic when my board name changed.)

I am too old to remember the history but maybe Age will make his yearly post to recap the past.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.179.---)
Date: June 19, 2024 01:05AM

I recall first finding this forum's predecessor during the 1996-97 season. Ryle Rose started it. Several years later, Age succeeded him.

Thanks to everyone who made this forum a great place to spend time during almost the entire Schafer Era.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 19, 2024 01:22PM

I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 01:59PM

Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 02:01PM


Cornell players return to campus at the end of July, because on Aug. 2, the team leaves for a European tour, five exhibition games against foreign teams.

Huh.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 02:07PM

adamw
Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]
Excellent job, Adam. I loved it.

I did enjoy the fact that you managed to slip in a superfluous and utterly wrong opinion, just as a gift to me.


And while that may be good for some individuals, it won't be for most.

That's my Adam! drunk
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2024 02:07PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 03:33PM

Cornell vs Clarkson in PWR since Casey has coached Clarkson:
2012: Cornell-13, Clarkson-40
2013: Cornell-24, Clarkson-51
2014: Cornell-17, Clarkson-25
2015: Cornell-36, Clarkson-44
2016: Cornell-15, Clarkson-23
2017: Cornell-11, Clarkson-24
2018: Cornell-3, Clarkson-10
2019: Cornell-11, Clarkson-5
2020: Cornell-3, Clarkson-9
2021: Cornell-DNP, Clarkson-16 [tiny ECAC and no OOC games, so fairly irrelevant]
2022: Cornell-24, Clarkson-16
2023: Cornell-13, Clarkson-32
2024: Cornell-12, Clarkson-37

So, only twice in the twelve seasons in which both Cornell and Clarkson played did Clarkson finish ahead of Cornell. The question of whether Casey is a step down from Schafer seems to depend on the relative situations between the two schools. Is Clarkson a much more difficult place to win at? If so, this hire looks solid. Is Clarkson only minorly disadvantaged (if at all)? In that case, the hire doesn’t look so great.

Cornell has been very, very good under Schafer. We will soon find out how much of that was Schafer himself.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2024 03:56PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: scoop85 (---.biz.spectrum.com)
Date: June 19, 2024 04:33PM

adamw
Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

I finally got to read it. Superb work! And the Jones article today was also a delightful read.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2024 04:37PM by scoop85.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 05:19PM

What he said - great job!
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.179.---)
Date: June 19, 2024 06:17PM

adamw
Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]
I did love it. Tremendously. But I didn't read it until Monday, so I thought it was a little late to provide kudos. But I guess it's never too late.

Thank you, Adam.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.179.---)
Date: June 19, 2024 06:26PM

Trotsky

Cornell players return to campus at the end of July, because on Aug. 2, the team leaves for a European tour, five exhibition games against foreign teams.

Huh.
The men's hockey team made a trip like this in 2014. One of the opponents was Mike Knoepfli's pro team in Switzerland.

It appears that Nicki Moore is a big supporter of varsity teams making quadrennial international trips, I think they're great.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 19, 2024 07:30PM

Trotsky

Cornell players return to campus at the end of July, because on Aug. 2, the team leaves for a European tour, five exhibition games against foreign teams.

Huh.

Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

CBuckster seems to have answered the question.

Is there a schedule for this year?
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Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: June 19, 2024 08:02PM

marty


Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

NCAA teams have been allowed to go on one foreign tour every four years for a long time (they can go anywhere overseas). Last year, for example, 61 men's basketball teams went on foreign tours. The UConn women's basketball team has done so on multiple occasions.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: June 19, 2024 11:02PM

dbilmes
marty


Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

NCAA teams have been allowed to go on one foreign tour every four years for a long time (they can go anywhere overseas). Last year, for example, 61 men's basketball teams went on foreign tours. The UConn women's basketball team has done so on multiple occasions.

Join the party! Registration has been open since January 1.

Here's an account of the 2014 tour.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 20, 2024 12:20AM

adamw
Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

I didn't know it existed, even though I've been checking collegehockeynews every few days. I have to be more attentive.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Terrific job!
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: June 20, 2024 12:30AM

David Harding
dbilmes
marty


Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

NCAA teams have been allowed to go on one foreign tour every four years for a long time (they can go anywhere overseas). Last year, for example, 61 men's basketball teams went on foreign tours. The UConn women's basketball team has done so on multiple occasions.

Join the party! Registration has been open since January 1.

Here's an account of the 2014 tour.

This is great news. I was very worried about us opening the season against UND, even though we did pretty well against them the last time we played them. It just seemed unfair opening against a really good team that had 3 or 4 extra games under its belt. This tour evens things up. Hopefully, nobody gets injured or eats too much strudel. popcorn
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: June 20, 2024 01:44AM

Trotsky
adamw
Swampy
I didn't want to start a new thread, but this article probably should be on a thread entitled, "Casey Jones: Cornell Men's Hockey's next coach."

No love for my Coach Schafer hagiography?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]
Excellent job, Adam. I loved it.

I did enjoy the fact that you managed to slip in a superfluous and utterly wrong opinion, just as a gift to me.


And while that may be good for some individuals, it won't be for most.

That's my Adam! drunk

Check back with me in 5 years. What shall we wager on this one over who is right?
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: June 20, 2024 01:49AM

Trotsky

Cornell players return to campus at the end of July, because on Aug. 2, the team leaves for a European tour, five exhibition games against foreign teams.

Huh.

BTW - I just made some updates to the paragraph with a correction and additional info.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: June 23, 2024 11:27AM

David Harding
dbilmes
marty


Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

NCAA teams have been allowed to go on one foreign tour every four years for a long time (they can go anywhere overseas). Last year, for example, 61 men's basketball teams went on foreign tours. The UConn women's basketball team has done so on multiple occasions.

Join the party! Registration has been open since January 1.

Here's an account of the 2014 tour.

Anybody yet go deep enough into the process to share a rough price estimate?

 
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 23, 2024 01:33PM

Beeeej
David Harding
dbilmes
marty


Yes. What is this? When did this touring begin? Perhaps it was back in August of 2024.

Has anyone else here ever heard of an every four year European tour allowance?

NCAA teams have been allowed to go on one foreign tour every four years for a long time (they can go anywhere overseas). Last year, for example, 61 men's basketball teams went on foreign tours. The UConn women's basketball team has done so on multiple occasions.

Join the party! Registration has been open since January 1.

Here's an account of the 2014 tour.

Anybody yet go deep enough into the process to share a rough price estimate?

$2750 plus tax, airfare, and nominal tour guide and/or bus driver gratuity - there are some tours of the locations included - per person.

I think there is still time to book. I'm leaning toward passing on this guessing there might not be that many alums or parents - but that is speculation based on a message from someone who was on the 2014 tour.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-65.myvzw.com)
Date: November 02, 2024 02:11PM

Did anybody catch the clip during the second intermission on ESPN+ where Pierre McGuire asked Schafer how they ended up hiring CJ? Schafer said a lot of stuff in response but it’s still unclear to me what the search process was like and how Syer factored in. Was the an opportunity for Syer to take over the job? Did the AD actually speak with other candidates? It sounded like they hired CJ in part because his contract didn’t require a buyout, and also maybe he was less expensive than some other options? Was CJ’s contract really up at Clarkson, as Schafer said? If so, what was going on where CJ was still performing head coaching duties at Clarkson in June without a new contract?

For me, that clip provided more questions than answers.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2024 02:12PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.albyny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 02, 2024 04:43PM

BearLover
Did anybody catch the clip during the second intermission on ESPN+ where Pierre McGuire asked Schafer how they ended up hiring CJ? Schafer said a lot of stuff in response but it’s still unclear to me what the search process was like and how Syer factored in. Was the an opportunity for Syer to take over the job? Did the AD actually speak with other candidates? It sounded like they hired CJ in part because his contract didn’t require a buyout, and also maybe he was less expensive than some other options? Was CJ’s contract really up at Clarkson, as Schafer said? If so, what was going on where CJ was still performing head coaching duties at Clarkson in June without a new contract?

For me, that clip provided more questions than answers.

Maybe watch it again. He explained what happened in sequence. Ben was offered the position, then b then c. He was as clear as he could be without airing the laundry.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-65.myvzw.com)
Date: November 02, 2024 04:50PM

marty
BearLover
Did anybody catch the clip during the second intermission on ESPN+ where Pierre McGuire asked Schafer how they ended up hiring CJ? Schafer said a lot of stuff in response but it’s still unclear to me what the search process was like and how Syer factored in. Was the an opportunity for Syer to take over the job? Did the AD actually speak with other candidates? It sounded like they hired CJ in part because his contract didn’t require a buyout, and also maybe he was less expensive than some other options? Was CJ’s contract really up at Clarkson, as Schafer said? If so, what was going on where CJ was still performing head coaching duties at Clarkson in June without a new contract?

For me, that clip provided more questions than answers.

Maybe watch it again. He explained what happened in sequence. Ben was offered the position, then b then c. He was as clear as he could be without airing the laundry.
He did not say Ben was offered the position. I watched it multiple times. Where does he say that? Maybe I couldn’t make it out.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-65.myvzw.com)
Date: November 02, 2024 05:30PM

Watched it again. Here’s what he said:
“I was thinking of retiring last spring. I confided in some people…Brekke, CJ, Don Vaughan…at the end of the season, I was pretty much retired. I was thinking about it, I was on my way out probably. And then Benny Syer got the job at Princeton. And I think he kind of hesitated a little bit, wondering what Cornell was gonna do. ***Knowing at that particular moment that it wasn’t just going to be a handoff to Ben, I advised Ben, I said ‘you’ve wanted this your whole life, go for it, go get the job.’*** And he did. But then I was like, ‘now what am I gonna do?’ I didn’t wanna leave our team in a lurch. Ben has been such a big part of our program…”

Having now watched this again, I think the implication is that Syer was NOT offered the job. Rather, Schafer told him to take the Princeton job because he would not be handing the Cornell job off to Ben.

The part at the end about not wanting to leave the team in a lurch was a reference to not wanting the team to lose both its head coach and top assistant at the same time.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2024 05:34PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-244-144.myvzw.com)
Date: November 02, 2024 06:12PM

BearLover
marty
BearLover
Did anybody catch the clip during the second intermission on ESPN+ where Pierre McGuire asked Schafer how they ended up hiring CJ? Schafer said a lot of stuff in response but it’s still unclear to me what the search process was like and how Syer factored in. Was the an opportunity for Syer to take over the job? Did the AD actually speak with other candidates? It sounded like they hired CJ in part because his contract didn’t require a buyout, and also maybe he was less expensive than some other options? Was CJ’s contract really up at Clarkson, as Schafer said? If so, what was going on where CJ was still performing head coaching duties at Clarkson in June without a new contract?

For me, that clip provided more questions than answers.

Maybe watch it again. He explained what happened in sequence. Ben was offered the position, then b then c. He was as clear as he could be without airing the laundry.
He did not say Ben was offered the position. I watched it multiple times. Where does he say that? Maybe I couldn’t make it out.
i think marty was saying Syer was offered the Princeton job not the Cornell job and he would agree with your longer summary

 

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Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: marty (---.albyny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 02, 2024 06:12PM

BearLover
Watched it again. Here’s what he said:
“I was thinking of retiring last spring. I confided in some people…Brekke, CJ, Don Vaughan…at the end of the season, I was pretty much retired. I was thinking about it, I was on my way out probably. And then Benny Syer got the job at Princeton. And I think he kind of hesitated a little bit, wondering what Cornell was gonna do. ***Knowing at that particular moment that it wasn’t just going to be a handoff to Ben, I advised Ben, I said ‘you’ve wanted this your whole life, go for it, go get the job.’*** And he did. But then I was like, ‘now what am I gonna do?’ I didn’t wanna leave our team in a lurch. Ben has been such a big part of our program…”

Having now watched this again, I think the implication is that Syer was NOT offered the job. Rather, Schafer told him to take the Princeton job because he would not be handing the Cornell job off to Ben.

The part at the end about not wanting to leave the team in a lurch was a reference to not wanting the team to lose both its head coach and top assistant at the same time.

Sorry I didn't read your note as carefully as I listened to Coach Mike. What I meant was that Ben was offerred the Princeton job not the Cornell has coaching position. That along with the decision to retire is what began the process. Always a process in this sport.
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-65.myvzw.com)
Date: November 02, 2024 06:43PM

marty
BearLover
Watched it again. Here’s what he said:
“I was thinking of retiring last spring. I confided in some people…Brekke, CJ, Don Vaughan…at the end of the season, I was pretty much retired. I was thinking about it, I was on my way out probably. And then Benny Syer got the job at Princeton. And I think he kind of hesitated a little bit, wondering what Cornell was gonna do. ***Knowing at that particular moment that it wasn’t just going to be a handoff to Ben, I advised Ben, I said ‘you’ve wanted this your whole life, go for it, go get the job.’*** And he did. But then I was like, ‘now what am I gonna do?’ I didn’t wanna leave our team in a lurch. Ben has been such a big part of our program…”

Having now watched this again, I think the implication is that Syer was NOT offered the job. Rather, Schafer told him to take the Princeton job because he would not be handing the Cornell job off to Ben.

The part at the end about not wanting to leave the team in a lurch was a reference to not wanting the team to lose both its head coach and top assistant at the same time.

Sorry I didn't read your note as carefully as I listened to Coach Mike. What I meant was that Ben was offerred the Princeton job not the Cornell has coaching position. That along with the decision to retire is what began the process. Always a process in this sport.
Well then we are in agreement!

Still a lot of questions though…
 
Re: Mike Schafer retiring 2025
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: November 02, 2024 10:52PM

I’m actually surprised Schafer is retiring given the state of the team. I respect how he’s handled it in regards to trying to make a smooth transition with CJ, but this team has the potential to be serious national contenders for at least two more years. The only thing not on his resume. Yet.
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