Cornell @ Clarkson, 2/23

Into the North Country.

We have won once in our last 7 at Cheel. 4 wins since 2005 (4-6-7). 9 since 1989 (9-15-11 including 2 QF losses). Let's start putting up some solid derp points.

Clarkson has really played below their talent the last few seasons. That always makes me scared to play them, because I expect us to have a better chance of losing than the Pairwise would suggest (which in turn would really hurt us in the rankings).

Devlin still banged up; O'Brien in.

1:40 in and Castagna may be about to get tossed.

Season over if we lose this game

Big Dingus
Season over if we lose this game

Cheer up.

I am cheerful. It’s just facts though. Yale may have been the dagger anyway. I’ll support this team until the day I die though

Major, but he stays.

Big Dingus
I am cheerful. It’s just facts though. Yale may have been the dagger anyway. I’ll support this team until the day I die though

If Cornell loses this game and then wins the following five games until the ECAC final, good chance we get an at-large bid even if we lose the final to Quinnipiac.

In other news, what a soft call. Turns at the last second

Big Dingus
I am cheerful. It’s just facts though. Yale may have been the dagger anyway. I’ll support this team until the day I die though

The fucking season isn't fucking over we have a fucking great chance to get to fucking Lake Placid and win the fucking ECACs.

But please, by all means, leave for the year when the season is "over" to you. You don't add anything.

Great kill by Kraft.

Why do people think we can’t win the ECAC tournament?

Suda got an ouchie there on the block.

Walsh won that faceoff in mid-air, Gretzky style.

Still very little skating on the pp.

Kraft hits the post from basically point blank. For all the lack of positonal movement, there were still some very high-quality chances on that PP

Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

ER
Why do people think we can’t win the ECAC tournament?

Shafer has been allergic to meaningful hardware since 2010

blackwidow

ER
Why do people think we can’t win the ECAC tournament?

Shafer has been allergic to meaningful hardware since 2010

Actually, we win in 2019 if the refs call the game correctly, and we probably win in 2020 too.

blackwidow

ER
Why do people think we can’t win the ECAC tournament?

Shafer has been allergic to meaningful hardware since 2010

Stahp.

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

The younger of the announcers is a dictionary picture for "mouth breather."

How…

Two good responses, but let's get ahead now, lads.

Union has put a 5 up in the second period against Harvard and it isn't finished yet.

Wow are there ever some significant games in the pairwise tonight… not too many going our way it seems though lol.

Do we want Umass to win or to lose?

Whoo, pretty goal for Bancroft!

Big Dingus
Wow are there ever some significant games in the pairwise tonight… not too many going our way it seems though lol.

Do we want Umass to win or to lose?

There is a detailed discussion in the Opponents thread. I can't remember.

Look at us so far 2-3 on the pp

These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

dag14
Look at us so far 2-3 on the pp

And a post on the first one.

Trotsky

Big Dingus
Wow are there ever some significant games in the pairwise tonight… not too many going our way it seems though lol.

Do we want Umass to win or to lose?

There is a detailed discussion in the Opponents thread. I can't remember.

I lean lose, personally.

Trotsky
These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

Between them and the bell, I'm really rethinking the respected opponent status I usually give them.

I wonder if Jack O'Leary is playing sick. He has been invisible tonight.

SLU down 3-0 came all the way back to tie Colgate with an extra attacker goal with 15 seconds to go.

Trotsky
SLU down 3-0 came all the way back to tie Colgate with an extra attacker goal with 15 seconds to go.

And they win 4-3 in OT.

About half of them are

About half of them are sick

And SLU wins 40 seconds into overtime.

D really picked up Shane on that kill!!!

fastforward
About half of them are sick

Geez, I thought that was last week. Spreading the bugs around perhaps.

Oh my god

that was a terrible icing

The ultimate homer announcer move: yelling “YES!!” when your team ties it late.

Surprised we didn't call time out before that face-off.

Can you call time on an icing? I can't remember.

That went off the center's hand and back. Not sure it's a hand pass.

Good job

Mr. Niss
that was a terrible icing

Just bad luck. That's not icing if the puck didn't roll on edge.

Dafatone

Mr. Niss
that was a terrible icing

Just bad luck. That's not icing if the puck didn't roll on edge.

the puck definitely was on edge but I agree with the mouthbreather that it probably would have been icing anyway

We're literally 16-4-5 and we have people crawling out of the woodwork to pout about a late goal when we've killed 11 minutes of penalties.

Hard to believe.

stupid fucking icing I'm so goddamn mad

fastforward
About half of them are

Where are you getting this information from? In last weekend’s postgame Schafer said a bunch of guys were sick, but that was a week ago and I’d assume they’re mostly better now.

Gosselin the first guy all year I can remember beating Seger at the dot.

don't know if the puck hopped his stick but Bancroft set up perfectly for a back door tap and i thought it was over.

BearLover

fastforward
About half of them are

Where are you getting this information from? In last weekend’s postgame Schafer said a bunch of guys were sick, but that was a week ago and I’d assume they’re mostly better now.

“DM me for details”

Dafatone
We're literally 16-4-5 and we have people crawling out of the woodwork to pout about a late goal when we've killed 11 minutes of penalties.

Hard to believe.

Saying the icing was a bad play is pouting? Someone who's lived and died (and who gives money to) Cornell sports for 40 years is crawling out of the woodwork because I came over here after the basketball game was over? Piss off.

BearLover

fastforward
About half of them are

Where are you getting this information from? In last weekend’s postgame Schafer said a bunch of guys were sick, but that was a week ago and I’d assume they’re mostly better now.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving-all over campus

That was so terrible that it makes me question why I continue to follow this team.

Schafer losing to clarkson on purpose to let jones keep his job.

BearLover
That was so terrible that it makes me question why I continue to follow this team.

Feel free not to.

Sometimes this place feels like an NHL reddit site. Man, people are soft.

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Only for the last 60 years or so.

feels like they scored 4 janky bullshit goals but i think I'm getting my perspective warped by having a team that plays great positional defense so the goals we give up are freaky and ugly and our opponents forecheck hard and pack the crease so it feels like drilling through diamond to get to the net

Per Grady: we have clinched a bye.

In other news, why does Clarkson suck now, what a downfall from a good program

ruined my night after a great win over Yale

iceing, lose a draw, allow a crazy angle shot and goal then give away in OT behind the net.

Lots of things to go wrong to get a loss and why is Clarkon the place so many of them happen.

ugarte
ruined my night after a great win over Yale

Yeah. Crazy

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Is it not the actual bell (aka "That damn bell" that Dryden complained about)? I think what they decide to ring it for comes and goes.

lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

Dafatone
Surprised we didn't call time out before that face-off.

Can you call time on an icing? I can't remember.

That went off the center's hand and back. Not sure it's a hand pass.

I was also wondering why we didn't call the TO there.

Ironic to lose the lead on an icing right after two instances of waiting to gain the red line and then losing the puck before getting a shot at the empty net.

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

and it doesn't even count as a whole loss, thanks the awful points system hockey is using these days.

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

enough with the pollyanna posting! when we tie (much less gag away a W, much less lose in OT) against a bad team it HURTS us. Badly. We are down to 15 in the Pairwise. it's ok to be mad about it. they've changed the way teams qualify for the postseason, so the ECAC standings just don't matter as much especially when we can't even win the regular season conference title.

So depressing to watch that shit while walking out to Newman after a big win from basketball. Cannot be throwing away the season like that.

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

?

Cornell is probably going to miss the NCAAs because of a horribly unlucky series of events in the final seconds of tonight’s game. The fact we didn’t lose for 14 straight prior makes that more frustrating, not less. This was a terrible result.

ugarte

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

enough with the pollyanna posting! when we tie (much less gag away a W, much less lose in OT) against a bad team it HURTS us. Badly. We are down to 15 in the Pairwise. it's ok to be mad about it. they've changed the way teams qualify for the postseason, so the ECAC standings just don't matter as much especially when we can't even win the regular season conference title.

It's definitely fine to be mad about blowing a lead at the last second in a game we really could've used.

I don’t understand the woe is me attitude that's taken over lately. We're having a really, really, really good year. We currently have the 5th best record in all of D1. An RPI of .5536 would get us in just about every year.

Except this one, so far. Which is a bummer, along with tonight's result. But we are having a great year, regardless of how RPI shakes out.

ugarte

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

enough with the pollyanna posting!

Just say "woke," it's fewer keystrokes.

Dafatone

ugarte

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

enough with the pollyanna posting! when we tie (much less gag away a W, much less lose in OT) against a bad team it HURTS us. Badly. We are down to 15 in the Pairwise. it's ok to be mad about it. they've changed the way teams qualify for the postseason, so the ECAC standings just don't matter as much especially when we can't even win the regular season conference title.

It's definitely fine to be mad about blowing a lead at the last second in a game we really could've used.

I don’t understand the woe is me attitude that's taken over lately. We're having a really, really, really good year. We currently have the 5th best record in all of D1. An RPI of .5536 would get us in just about every year.

Except this one, so far. Which is a bummer, along with tonight's result. But we are having a great year, regardless of how RPI shakes out.

this is the kind of thing i contemplate on the nights that we win or maybe on a wednesday. in the immediate aftermath of a big ol' honk job i'm mad.

ugarte

Dafatone

ugarte

ER
lol 1 loss in 15 games. What a charmed life we lead.

enough with the pollyanna posting! when we tie (much less gag away a W, much less lose in OT) against a bad team it HURTS us. Badly. We are down to 15 in the Pairwise. it's ok to be mad about it. they've changed the way teams qualify for the postseason, so the ECAC standings just don't matter as much especially when we can't even win the regular season conference title.

It's definitely fine to be mad about blowing a lead at the last second in a game we really could've used.

I don’t understand the woe is me attitude that's taken over lately. We're having a really, really, really good year. We currently have the 5th best record in all of D1. An RPI of .5536 would get us in just about every year.

Except this one, so far. Which is a bummer, along with tonight's result. But we are having a great year, regardless of how RPI shakes out.

this is the kind of thing i contemplate on the nights that we win or maybe on a wednesday. in the immediate aftermath of a big ol' honk job i'm mad.

That's fair. Mad away.

Lots of people don’t agree you can have a good season and miss the NCAA tournament. It’s as simple as that. The team doesn’t go into the season with win% targets. Certainly the players won’t call that a good season.

Did we really expect that this team was going to go 3 months without really losing a game?

losing on the Rd in OT was somewhat of a help. Win the next 5 with 4 of them at home and see where we are then.

cuhockey93
Lots of people don’t agree you can have a good season and miss the NCAA tournament. It’s as simple as that. The team doesn’t go into the season with win% targets. Certainly the players won’t call that a good season.

My three goals every year are get a first round bye, make it to Lake Placid (or wherever the tournament is), and make the NCAAs.

If we have a great year by RPI standards and wind up just outside the bubble because this season is a weird aberration, I won't be happy, but it'll be hard for me to fault the team's performance.

Dafatone

cuhockey93
Lots of people don’t agree you can have a good season and miss the NCAA tournament. It’s as simple as that. The team doesn’t go into the season with win% targets. Certainly the players won’t call that a good season.

My three goals every year are get a first round bye, make it to Lake Placid (or wherever the tournament is), and make the NCAAs.

If we have a great year by RPI standards and wind up just outside the bubble because this season is a weird aberration, I won't be happy, but it'll be hard for me to fault the team's performance.

Well, I agree. If Cornell were, for example, the first team out of the NCAAs, I’d be terribly disappointed, but I’d be proud of the team.

In general, national ranking is by far the best and fairest benchmark for how good the season was.

cuhockey93
Lots of people don’t agree you can have a good season and miss the NCAA tournament. It’s as simple as that.

Lots of people like country music.

With 10 freshmen, we (16-5-5) come off a 14-game undefeated streak; 10 in conference (nearly half the conference schedule). We are in 2nd in league and won the Ivies. It's a very good season overall. It is ironic that Schafer has been and continues to be so successful that people unconsciously just assume that's a privilege we have. It isn't. Ask Harvard (5-17-4).

Holy crap, this freaking thread.

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Just for 67 years or so. [potsdamgreeks.blogspot.com]

(edit: I see JTW entered the room earlier to already lay this down)

Trotsky
These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

Yes, the color kid was a yippie green nobody, but the PBP was none other than Bob Ahlfeld, voice of Clarkson since 1996. One of the more respected announcers in the league for two decades. [www.nyhockeyonline.com]

The fact that even Trotsky lost a handle on the historical tidbits here is a little staggering.

upprdeck
iceing, lose a draw, allow a crazy angle shot and goal then give away in OT behind the net.

Lots of things to go wrong to get a loss and why is Clarkon the place so many of them happen.

As the game wore on, and we kept playing poorly, I could see this ending, because it's happened before.

I hate that building. It makes me mad because Cheel is such an un-intimidating and sterile place to play, but we keep getting snakebit in the last minute there. I don't have a count, but it feels like we've either lost a lead or the game a half-dozen times in the final minute there. I think there was a time Clarkson scored the tying goal with under 2 seconds left.

In 3 minutes of searching the last decade at Cheel:
11/15/2013: Clarkson scores winning goal with 0:37 left
1/29/2016: Clarkson scores winning goal with 0:28 left (in OT)
3/2/2019: Clarkson scores tying goal with 0:43 left
12/4/2021: Clarkson scores tying goal with 0:01 left. Cornell led by 4 with 6 minutes left.
2/23/2024: ...and the beat goes on...

They say the North Country trip is the hardest to sweep, and there's more proof.

RichH
I hate that building. It makes me mad because Cheel is such an un-intimidating and sterile place to play, but we keep getting snakebit in the last minute there.

Even less intimidating when their fans don’t show up. That crowd was shockingly bad.

Scersk '97

RichH
I hate that building. It makes me mad because Cheel is such an un-intimidating and sterile place to play, but we keep getting snakebit in the last minute there.

Even less intimidating when their fans don’t show up. That crowd was shockingly bad.

It was break.

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

It will pass. You have to expect a creche of scalded babies when we've all suffered through this interminable skein of one loss in 15 games together.

Ah, February break, I see.

Still, their Townie attendance has gone the way of the dodo.

RichH
As the game wore on, and we kept playing poorly, I could see this ending, because it's happened before.

We weren’t even facing the most dangerous lead in hockey, which is 4-0, of course.

We are not good at shutdown hockey this year. I’m going to chalk that up to having a bunch of freshmen. The struggles on the PK are in the same alley but are slightly more mystifying, because I have to admit Shane’s been playing pretty hot.

Trotsky

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

It will pass. You have to expect a creche of scalded babies when we've all suffered through this interminable skein of one loss in 15 games together.

jfc greg what the scalded babies are experiencing is "regret for what might have been."

our OOC schedule turned out, through no fault of our own, to be a dud, so our performance hasn't helped as much as we expected at the time. our early conference schedule is littered with inexplicable losses to, among others, a truly awful Harvard. as a result, now, in late February, when we blow a road W it reminds us that the long not-losing streak was necessary yet insufficient. all of that not-losing wasn't actually winning in the new, weighted-results post-polls world. We had four ties and two wins in OT during the streak with more frustration than relief in those six games.

I don't need anyone to be as frustrated with the season as I am - a season that gives plenty of hope for the future - but my god does it grate to be smugly mocked for actually paying attention.

RichH

upprdeck
iceing, lose a draw, allow a crazy angle shot and goal then give away in OT behind the net.

Lots of things to go wrong to get a loss and why is Clarkon the place so many of them happen.

As the game wore on, and we kept playing poorly, I could see this ending, because it's happened before.

I hate that building. It makes me mad because Cheel is such an un-intimidating and sterile place to play, but we keep getting snakebit in the last minute there. I don't have a count, but it feels like we've either lost a lead or the game a half-dozen times in the final minute there. I think there was a time Clarkson scored the tying goal with under 2 seconds left.

In 3 minutes of searching the last decade at Cheel:
11/15/2013: Clarkson scores winning goal with 0:37 left
1/29/2016: Clarkson scores winning goal with 0:28 left (in OT)
3/2/2019: Clarkson scores tying goal with 0:43 left
12/4/2021: Clarkson scores tying goal with 0:01 left. Cornell led by 4 with 6 minutes left.
2/23/2024: ...and the beat goes on...

They say the North Country trip is the hardest to sweep, and there's more proof.

Digging a little further back: [www.tbrw.info]

I also seem to remember sitting in a dining hall in 1990 hearing or reading about a tying goal where "The entire town of Potsdam was in the crease".

Scersk '97
Ah, February break, I see.

Still, their Townie attendance has gone the way of the dodo.

I would shake my head at this, but I'm not a big fan of crowded indoor spaces these days either.

RichH

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Just for 67 years or so. [potsdamgreeks.blogspot.com]

"Potsdam Greeks United" is a nice reminder of the fact that Clarkson and SUNY Potsdam (or whatever they're calling it these days) have a combined Greek system. This fact is also responsible for my sister's teddy bear having been mauled by the Clarkson hockey team's dog.

Scersk '97

RichH
As the game wore on, and we kept playing poorly, I could see this ending, because it's happened before.

We weren’t even facing the most dangerous lead in hockey, which is 4-0, of course.

We are not good at shutdown hockey this year. I’m going to chalk that up to having a bunch of freshmen. The struggles on the PK are in the same alley but are slightly more mystifying, because I have to admit Shane’s been playing pretty hot.

But don't forget that everything will be cured once we start scoring on the powerplay!

ugarte

Trotsky

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

It will pass. You have to expect a creche of scalded babies when we've all suffered through this interminable skein of one loss in 15 games together.

jfc greg what the scalded babies are experiencing is "regret for what might have been."


our OOC schedule turned out, through no fault of our own, to be a dud, so our performance hasn't helped as much as we expected at the time. our early conference schedule is littered with inexplicable losses to, among others, a truly awful Harvard. as a result, now, in late February, when we blow a road W it reminds us that the long not-losing streak was necessary yet insufficient. all of that not-losing wasn't actually winning in the new, weighted-results post-polls world. We had four ties and two wins in OT during the streak with more frustration than relief in those six games.

I don't need anyone to be as frustrated with the season as I am - a season that gives plenty of hope for the future - but my god does it grate to be smugly mocked for actually paying attention.

Much of what I’ve been thinking. The “streak” wasn’t really a streak and as much as I enjoy Harvard being terrible, they still haunt us with what turned out to be a truly damaging loss in the long run. I remember leaving Lynah that night furious and trying to explain to my family why. Now they see why. With our league schedule, we really can’t afford to lose except to Q. Our OOC looked good on paper but ASU and UMD turned out to be not as good as hoped.

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Just for 67 years or so. [potsdamgreeks.blogspot.com]

(edit: I see JTW entered the room earlier to already lay this down)

Trotsky
These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

Yes, the color kid was a yippie green nobody, but the PBP was none other than Bob Ahlfeld, voice of Clarkson since 1996. One of the more respected announcers in the league for two decades. [www.nyhockeyonline.com]

The fact that even Trotsky lost a handle on the historical tidbits here is a little staggering.

The bell isn't new. Playing the bell sound effect during play for hits, though? I don't remember that.

Dafatone

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Just for 67 years or so. [potsdamgreeks.blogspot.com]

(edit: I see JTW entered the room earlier to already lay this down)

Trotsky
These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

Yes, the color kid was a yippie green nobody, but the PBP was none other than Bob Ahlfeld, voice of Clarkson since 1996. One of the more respected announcers in the league for two decades. [www.nyhockeyonline.com]

The fact that even Trotsky lost a handle on the historical tidbits here is a little staggering.

The bell isn't new. Playing the bell sound effect during play for hits, though? I don't remember that.

I started going there in the early nineties. Trust me when I say that they ring it mostly for big hits, but also for moments in games where Clarkson also happens to show “grit” or whatever. Maybe we’ve only noticed it because the crowds aren’t as loud recently. Maybe they didn’t ring it as much. Maybe Clarkson has just sucked more.

Also, this is the second time you’ve called it a “sound effect.” It’s an actual bell rung by students/alumni. Cheel isn’t piping in any sound effects. Same with the way-too-over-the-top goal whistle: an actual steam whistle a member of the band has typically “played.”

RichH

Dafatone

RichH
Holy crap, this freaking thread.

Trotsky

Dafatone
Has Clarkson always done that stupid bell sound effect on hits?

It's stupid.

Not that I remember. It is idiotic.

Just for 67 years or so. [potsdamgreeks.blogspot.com]

(edit: I see JTW entered the room earlier to already lay this down)

Trotsky
These guys are pretty bad homers. I am used to Clarkson having much better announcers.

Yes, the color kid was a yippie green nobody, but the PBP was none other than Bob Ahlfeld, voice of Clarkson since 1996. One of the more respected announcers in the league for two decades. [www.nyhockeyonline.com]

The fact that even Trotsky lost a handle on the historical tidbits here is a little staggering.

The bell isn't new. Playing the bell sound effect during play for hits, though? I don't remember that.

I started going there in the early nineties. Trust me when I say that they ring it mostly for big hits, but also for moments in games where Clarkson also happens to show “grit” or whatever. Maybe we’ve only noticed it because the crowds aren’t as loud recently. Maybe they didn’t ring it as much. Maybe Clarkson has just sucked more.

Also, this is the second time you’ve called it a “sound effect.” It’s an actual bell rung by students/alumni. Cheel isn’t piping in any sound effects. Same with the way-too-over-the-top goal whistle: an actual steam whistle a member of the band has typically “played.”

They ring it for big hits in women’s games, too. Which is sort of interesting because those could in theory wind up being penalties.