Opponents and Others 2023-24

BearLover

abmarks

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.

Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.

Yeah, I saw the updated article that said he and a Michigan assistant are supposedly the two finalists (sorry, don’t have the link)

abmarks

BearLover

abmarks

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.

Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.

Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.

I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.

Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job". It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language. No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.

Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.

I knew you were responding to chimp food rather than me. I just thought your phrasing was impolite. I decided to point it out because a lot of your posts have an adversarial tone.

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

Well, he ruled Casey, Syer, and Topher, so I doubt it.

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

Way too much speculation going on. Maybe Adam assumed that someone would hire Syer away from Cornell as a HC and then Cornell would not be able to entice him back? Who knows? There are a million scenarios where Syer does not become Cornell HC, and only a few where he does, so maybe Adam is just playing the odds.

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

"CHN's report" - you mean the one I wrote?

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...

adamw

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...

To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.

Dafatone
To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.

+1

Dafatone

To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.

ah yes, the famous "brood x"

Al DeFlorio
Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?

we all have high hopes for jaques.

oops

Al DeFlorio

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?

My point was about promoting from within based on past program success. I wasn’t commenting on how successful or unsuccessful such internal hire would ultimately go on to be. So in terms of basketball, I am referring to Jon Jaques.

adamw

BearLover

Dafatone

pfibiger

Dafatone

BearLover

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.

That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."

That makes sense, too.

But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.

There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).

Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.

There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...

TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.

The way I look at it is:
—Cornell hockey is currently in the midst of an extremely successful period
—Syer has been associate coach throughout this period and for over a decade total
—Syer coaches the defense, which is excellent every season. He is Cornell’s lead recruiter, and recruiting has seemingly been quite good
—Cornell athletics has a history of promoting from within with respect to its most successful programs (including, recently, wrestling, lacrosse, and basketball)
—Syer is clearly willing to be head coach, or else he would not be interviewing at Princeton
—Princeton, which obviously does not have Cornell’s hockey pedigree but which has deep pockets and is willing to spend on athletics, and which is another Ivy (i.e. similarly situated to Cornell in terms of academic/admissions/transfer requirements) clearly thinks highly of him, if he is a “finalist” or “frontrunner” or whatever the article originally said

I take all those things together to suggest there would be a high likelihood that Syer ends up Cornell’s next head coach. No, not above 50%, but much higher than the likelihood of any other individual becoming the next head coach.

I don’t really see why I should think otherwise, but if you would like to explain why I’m very willing to be wrong.

BearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.

you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writing

ugarte

BearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.

you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writing

I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.

At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.

Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.


* _{albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.}

Obviously the heir apparent is Adam.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.

you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writing

I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.

Based on what!? Schafer hasn't retired. You think it somehow proves that Syer may replace Schafer because ... he may take a different job? I have no idea what the future holds, but I also don't have adam's sources. You've got nothing! You're arguing based on nothing and convincing yourself that you're winning.

ugarte

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.

you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writing

I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.

Based on what!? Schafer hasn't retired. You think it somehow proves that Syer may replace Schafer because ... he may take a different job? I have no idea what the future holds, but I also don't have adam's sources. You've got nothing! You're arguing based on nothing and convincing yourself that you're winning.

We have no idea what the basis was for Adam’s statement. He didn’t give a reason. He didn’t even say, “according to people I’ve talked to.” It could have very well been a gut feeling rather than based on any sort of intel. Does Adam really have a well placed source who knows the inner workings of the Cornell hockey program/athletics department? I don’t know, maybe? Even if he does, circumstances could have changed since Adam heard what he heard. There are lots of reasons Adam could be wrong. Given all the publicly available signs suggest Syer could be the next Cornell coach, and given Adam hasn’t given us any explanation for what he said, I believe what he said could be wrong.

I’m not trying to win anything. I really was just hoping for more information. I think it was pretty telling that three posters on here had wildly different interpretations of Adam’s initial post.

There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."

wrong thread sorry. lol

ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."

My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.

BearLover

ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."

My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.

I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.

Trotsky
At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.

Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.


* _{albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.}

I feel like I was just insulted - but Trotsky is using Ivy League words, and I only went that other place in town.

adamw

BearLover

ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."

My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.

I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.

By “publicly available information” I mean all the stuff I previously said (been associate head coach for long successful period, coaches the defense, leads recruiting, wants to be a head coach, Cornell often hires from within, wife works for the university, etc.). I’m going to drop this point now. I hope he doesn’t get hired by Princeton. I still believe there is a good chance he is our next head coach.

adamw

Trotsky
At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.

Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.


* _{albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.}

I feel like I was just insulted - but Trotsky is using Ivy League words, and I only went that other place in town.

TC3-South Hill is nothing to be ashamed of, Adam.

BearLover

adamw

BearLover

ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."

My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.

I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.

By “publicly available information” I mean all the stuff I previously said (been associate head coach for long successful period, coaches the defense, leads recruiting, wants to be a head coach, Cornell often hires from within, wife works for the university, etc.). I’m going to drop this point now. I hope he doesn’t get hired by Princeton. I still believe there is a good chance he is our next head coach.

All of your "publicly available information" led you to insist Cornell would be no better than 20th in the Pairwise this year.

In this opinion column in the BU student newspaper, the writer laments the lack of support from the student body for the school's hockey program.
"The support the team receives from the student body and BU community does not meet the expectations one would expect from such a high-caliber program."

Our son got paid by BU to work the penalty box and I don't think there was a huge amount of competition for the job. You can't yell or cheer but you have one hell of a view. I think at Lynah you could have charity bidding war for the right to work it.

(He went there for the hotel school. Got recruited by an ex-Cornell hotel prof who'd been a Hobart lacrosse guy early 1970s. In the era when the Cornell side of the sideline got pelted with beer bottles in 1973 or 1974.)

We all missed this 2 weeks ago:

The NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes have announced that the team has signed Quinnipiac sophomore defenseman Charles-Alexis Legault to a three-year, entry-level contract.

Good. Fuck them.

Trotsky
We all missed this 2 weeks ago:

The NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes have announced that the team has signed Quinnipiac sophomore defenseman Charles-Alexis Legault to a three-year, entry-level contract.

Good. Fuck them.

Hey, in other Quinnipiac news: This month is the 10th anniversary of the escapade of a Quinnipiac student who called in a bomb threat on graduation day in hopes of masking from her parents that she had used all the senior-year tuition and housing money tranferred from her parents to party, thus she would not be graduating, and figured if she called in a bomb threat, no graduation ceremony, parents wouldn't know. She called in the bomb threat from her own cellphone.
College Student Calls In Bomb Threat to Graduation So Parents Wouldn’t Discover She Dropped Out

Read it and weep, Greg: [www.wcvb.com]

Northeastern's Matthews Arena is 114 years old, seats 4666.

The most inclusive story is the Boston Globe:

Emily Spatz, boston.com
[A] letter [to the Boston Planning and Development Agency], sent by the university’s Vice President of Planning, Real Estate, and Facilities Kathy Spiegelman to the BPDA, said Matthews would be replaced by a 290,000 square foot facility for Northeastern’s sporting events. Matthews is the world’s oldest multi-purpose athletic building and was purchased by Northeastern in 1979, the school’s website reads.

If approved, the new facility would include an arena, a field house with multi-purpose turf, basketball courts, recreational courts, and “other accessory uses” to support Northeastern’s athletic needs, according to the letter.

“The Project will also include site improvements, including new street trees, pedestrian improvements, and public realm improvements,” Spiegelman wrote.

The author must be a generalist. Her story three days earlier:
"Boston news anchor appears to swallow a fly — or an eyelash — live on air"

And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Trotsky
And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Do they not have a historic preservation board in Boston? Or is the whole city so historic that they can tear anything down?

jtwcornell91

Trotsky
And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Do they not have a historic preservation board in Boston? Or is the whole city so historic that they can tear anything down?

The rule in Boston is you can bulldoze anything historically black, while for whites you must meticulously document somebody rich wants the land.

Today in the North Country

Trotsky
Today in the North Country

Geez, that’s a bizarre tragedy. Sad for the young woman and her family.

Al DeFlorio
Read it and weep, Greg: [www.wcvb.com]

Some interesting memories from the old Boston Arena. The 1966 ECAC Tournament was played there and we lost in the championship. Most interesting parts of that game were that although we finished second, lost to Clarkson 6-2 in finals, we were ineligible for the NCAAs. Also we didn't have our band there. So after Brown lost their game, the Brown band came to play for us.

The next year might have been the most memorable game played at the Boston Arena. We played in the Boston Christmas Tournament at the Arena. It was a three night, three game tournament, !2/28, 29 & 30. We won the first two and played BU in the third game. It was tied after 2 OTs, short memory but I think each were 20 minutes, and after having played what amounted to almost 4 games in 3 nights, both coaches agreed to call it a tie and quit. That's one reason why some of us long for going back to traditional OTs. Imagine if that game ended in a 5 min OT and then a shootout. Would anyone remember it?

Memorable quote from the Boston Globe, "It went past midnight, the trolley closed down, yet nobody left."

The Arena had an unusual quirk. It had an egg shaped ice and boards behind the nets. Rather than two corners, it was basically a continuously curved boards going from one side boards to the other side boards. Made for some interesting play.

surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach

Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.

Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.

abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach

Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.

Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.

A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.

Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.

BearLover

abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach

Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.

Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.

A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.

Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.

If that AHL coach weren't a Clarkson alumnus, I'd make the same inference. (Actually, I already agree that Clarkson is a program that is well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, But I have my own pro-ECAC biases.)

I think Casey Jones and Jean-Francois Houle's decisions to return to their alma maters reveal a lot about how strong former players' emotional ties are to their college programs. Heck, I was a terrible skater and a subpar intramural player, yet I have similar nostalgia and emotional bonds to Cornell hockey. This phenomenon is a significant part of what makes NCAA hockey great.

cbuckser

BearLover

abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach

Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.

Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.

A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.

Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.

If that AHL coach weren't a Clarkson alumnus, I'd make the same inference. (Actually, I already agree that Clarkson is a program that is well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, But I have my own pro-ECAC biases.)

I think Casey Jones and Jean-Francois Houle's decisions to return to their alma maters reveal a lot about how strong former players' emotional ties are to their college programs. Heck, I was a terrible skater and a subpar intramural player, yet I have similar nostalgia and emotional bonds to Cornell hockey. This phenomenon is a significant part of what makes NCAA hockey great.

I basically agree with you—but if Clarkson is already well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, what indicates Casey is an above-average coach? In his 12 seasons as head coach, only twice did Clarkson outperform Cornell in the Pairwise. Last year, they finished 37th. The year prior, 32nd.

I don’t believe the new NCAA rules are the reason they’ve regressed. Clarkson did lose a lot of players to the transfer portal, but they also brought in a lot of transfers. And they had several key contributors return for a fifth year (something not allowed for Cornell).

It’s hard to make much out of the advanced stats we do have for college hockey, given they don’t account for SOS (and Clarkson’s schedule has been relatively weak), but Clarkson’s CORSI suggests they are a middle-of-the-pack team the past few years—in line with their finish in the PWR. Their save percentage last season was quite bad, but their save percentage the prior year was average. And their shooting percentage was above average each of the past two years. Which is to say, there aren’t any signs they got particularly unlucky.

In 2022-23, Clarkson had 6 draft picks on their roster to Cornell’s 2. Last year, Clarkson had 7 draft picks to Cornell’s 6. So it doesn’t look like Cornell has much, if any, of a talent advantage. Clarkson recently renovated its facilities (mentioned in a recent CHN article) and just shelled out a bunch of money for Casey’s replacement. So how big is the resource disparity, really?

Two seasons is a small sample, though. And Clarkson had been on a nice run up until that point. It would be interesting to be able to do a deeper dive on what happened the past two years, if only we had access to the stats and information.

Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.

BearLover
Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.

I think culture and reputation are the key ingredients, and I expect Casey will maintain both. Systems and identity should remain mostly intact, too.

cbuckser

BearLover
Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.

I think culture and reputation are the key ingredients, and I expect Casey will maintain both. Systems and identity should remain mostly intact, too.

I'd add that Schafer was part of the (perhaps the entire) search committee. Mike's passion for Cornell hockey is no doubt just as strong in looking for his successor as it is in his playing and coaching throughout his affiliation with Cornell. And I trust Mike's judgement about how good other coaches are. So, I am optimistic about Casey as our next head coach.

In Mike We Trust.

At another school, an alum is hired to be the HC in waiting, replacing the current HC after the 2024-5 season.

Also see here, where the comparison is more in depth.

Swampy
At another school, an alum is hired to be the HC in waiting, replacing the current HC after the 2024-5 season.

Also see here, where the comparison is more in depth.

If you had to fabricate a name of a generic Notre Dame male athlete for your improv class, nothing you could conjure up would be as spot-on as "Brock Sheahan."

Have you ever wondered if it's possible to hate a coaching staff more?

Rumor in the rinks is Rick Bennett to Quinnipiac

— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) July 1, 2024

Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.

ithacat

abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.

I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]

Weder

ithacat

abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.

I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]

Thanks for the link. I particularly like this part:

Mankato Free Press
Leivermann acknowledged that he does have some work to do in terms of learning NCAA compliance rules, the NIL world and other stuff unique to the college game.

I hope Casey has warned him about the Ivy League's version of rules for the college game. Also, while it would be great to have closer ties to the NTDP, having closer ties with the USHL ain't exactly chopped liver.

Two quotes stood out to me. This was clearly Casey's hire.

Jones has spent the last 13 years as the head coach at Clarkson, and Leivermann has discussed joining Jones' staff there the past two offseasons. When the succession plan at Cornell was finalized, Jones reached out to Leivermann

.

You kind of got two head coaches at the helm there. Just my ability to sit back and learn there this year will be tremendous," Leivermann said. "Casey was the one kind of spearheading the hire. Just hoping to do a good job this year and to stay on staff for the future and continue to work under Casey."

Swampy

I hope Casey has warned him about the Ivy League's version of rules for the college game. Also, while it would be great to have closer ties to the NTDP, having closer ties with the USHL ain't exactly chopped liver.

Not at all…add in deeper ties with Minnesota too. Maybe this gives Cornell a chance with Gavin Kor. A former Shattuck player who was with Fargo last season. Between the WHL, the Minnesota schools, and other Big-10ish schools, he’s probably a long shot. Maybe I just like the name.

In case anyone wonders where, Ben Russell went to Northern Michigan: [nmuwildcats.com]

I have to wonder what all this turnover means to the team next season. That is a lot of transition in one season. How will this change the organization of the defense? We've lost two leadership coaches there. \

What specialties does this new coach bring to the team? Is he here to teach or learn?

I've spoken to some of the team members and they all say that they are looking forward to the coaching changes and what they mean for the future of the program

Casey has to pick his own leadership, I guess. Best of luck to Ben Russell.

pfibiger
Have you ever wondered if it's possible to hate a coaching staff more?

Rumor in the rinks is Rick Bennett to Quinnipiac

— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) July 1, 2024

He's listed on the QU staff directory now:
[www.qu.edu]

It's probably time to move on to 2024-25, but that takes a little more effort than replying to an existing thread.

This year's Winter Classic is expanding to include not just Blackhawks vs. Blues at Wrigley Field on December 31, but also Notre Dame men vs. Penn State men and Michigan vs the Ohio State men on January 3, followed by Wisconsin men vs Michigan State men and Wisconsin women vs. the Ohio State women on January 4. [chicago.suntimes.com]

Mission Creep.

Holiday Tournament at Schoellkopf!

wait, we use turf pellets..

probably gonna be a protest.

The Rancor
Holiday Tournament at Schoellkopf!

Beebe. Eddie Shore.

Weder

ithacat

abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.

I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]

Now Corey Leivermann is announced by Cornell. [cornellbigred.com]

David Harding

Weder

ithacat

abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire

[www.uscho.com]

(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)

That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.

I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]

Now Corey Leivermann is announced by Cornell. [cornellbigred.com]

I’m already a fan since they mentioned his dog in the announcement.

[www.reddit.com]

NHL star Johnny Gaudreau, formerly of BC passed away.

And his brother. Day before sister’s wedding. Awful

More specifically, Gaudreau and his brother were struck by a car while riding bicycles at dusk Thursday evening in New Jersey. The driver was arrested and charged with suspicion (as of the day after) of being drunk.

[www.cnn.com]

Nice nickname:

Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties

billhoward
Nice nickname:

Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties

Officially the team nickname is the Golden Gusties.

Sounds like a lot of hot air to me.

Jeff Hopkins '82

billhoward
Nice nickname:

Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties

Officially the team nickname is the Golden Gusties.

Sounds like a lot of hot air to me.

I've long held that Albertus Magnus College should name their men's teams the Fat Alberts.

RichH
I've long held that Albertus Magnus College should name their men's teams the Fat Alberts.

If one must veer in that direction, make it Phat Alberts

Upgrades at Lynah East.

[x.com]

Plenty of upgrades at our Lynah as well - ran into some of the boys about town and it appears some have taken advantage of the summer to work out and it shows

RPI beat UMA 2-1 in OT in an exhibition game. GWG by John Beaton. RPI also won a shootout on a goal by freshman Felix Caron (RPI's first AeroE hockey player since fellow French Canadian Joe Juneau).

It won't count for Cornell's strength of schedule

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