Opponents and Others 2023-24

marty

BearLover
CC has tied NoDak 2-2 through two periods despite being badly outshot. Time to !!!!PANIC!!!!

Not sure if I'll panic but if I do I'll PANIC!!. Using six extra exclamation points is inexcusable and I'm considering the same punishment that you meted out in Grady last night.

CC up 5-2 now. That warrants eight exclamation point, at minimum. Actually, though, this is pretty bad. We are now in a pack of 8 teams fighting for 2-4 spots. We have had, and will continue to have, by far the easiest schedule of these teams. We probably cannot afford to lose more than one game between now and the ECAC finals if we want an at-large bid.

Cc won and we go up. I don’t get it.

arugula
Cc won and we go up. I don’t get it.

Probably because St. Cloud goes down a smidge having gone 0-1-1 with NoDak, whom CC just beat. It’s bizarre but entertaining.

arugula
Cc won and we go up. I don’t get it.

Don’t pay too much attention to our exact rank. Instead, look at how many teams are bunched around us in RPI (which basically determines PWR). What’s important here is that another team that prior to this weekend was far behind us in the PWR (CC) has now jumped ahead of us. Going into this weekend, it looked like there were 6 teams fighting for ~2-4 at-large bids: UMass, Prov, Western Mich, Michigan, SCSU, and us. Now, you can add UNH and CC, both of whom swept top 5 opponents. We are less likely to make the NCAA tournament than we were when the weekend started.

Went to bed last night, all games were done, we were 14th. Wake up and we are 15th. Logical.

BC over Umass today would get us back to 14..

You can see a path to Cornell not losing a game from Dec 2 on, winning out, winning 3 ECAC games and losing to Quin and not getting in with PWR being so close.

A 6 loss season mignt not be enough.

Do any of these metrics factor in how a team is doing recently, versus how they played in November 2023?

arugula
Went to bed last night, all games were done, we were 14th. Wake up and we are 15th. Logical.

I guess it might have been late games complete but not yet factored?

George64
Do any of these metrics factor in how a team is doing recently, versus how they played in November 2023?

It used to be part of the criteria. “Record in last 10” or something similar back when the smoke-filled room still held a scrap of power. I remember being against that then.

arugula
Went to bed last night, all games were done, we were 14th. Wake up and we are 15th. Logical.

if all games were truly done - this would not be the case. There was a game in Alaska that ended about 2 a.m. ET -- so, did you account for that?

George64
Do any of these metrics factor in how a team is doing recently, versus how they played in November 2023?

This lays out the history of changes over time
[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Although I'm just now realizing that even though it specifically references the former "Last 16" (or Last 20) criterion - it doesn't say exactly when it was removed. Off the top of my head, I want to say around 2002 or 2003. Probably not later than that. You've given me another thing to do today - to look it up and add it to that document.

I'm actually trying add a "recency bias" to the KRACH (which is what is used by the Probability Matrix) -- however, given that I'm not anywhere close to a math PhD - what I have is pretty arbitrary and I'm not comfortable adding it. I mean, no matter what it will be arbitrary, but it would be nice to have some basis in mathematical principles.

Didn’t think Alaska-LIU was close enough but I guess it could be at the second level.

And Colgate lost to LIU last month.

BC leads Massachusetts 1-0 early.

RichH

George64
Do any of these metrics factor in how a team is doing recently, versus how they played in November 2023?

It used to be part of the criteria. “Record in last 10” or something similar back when the smoke-filled room still held a scrap of power. I remember being against that then.

With 10" you know you can get screwed.

arugula
Didn’t think Alaska-LIU was close enough but I guess it could be at the second level.

you're talking about differences of .0001 in team's RPIs ... every game affects everyone else's RPI at least a little.

arugula
BC leads Massachusetts 1-0 early.

UMass leads 3-2 late 2nd.

BC 5 Massachusetts 4 late third. Great game.

Gauthier to the empty net. BC 6-4. Jack Malone getting a lot of time for BC

Phew. BC hangs on.

And we're back to 14th.

arugula
BC 5 Massachusetts 4 late third. Great game.

Jack Malone playing on both PP and PK and getting a lot of playing time in general. Plus I think I saw an “A” on his jersey. Frankly, it feels extra unfair that a fifth year senior from Cornell goes to play for BC. Watching this game, BC looks like the most talented team in the country. I’m sure Malone would have played his fifth year at Cornell if that were allowed. Instead, he serves a much needed role to plug the one weakness BC has.

But, more importantly at this point, crisis averted. UMass winning this game would have made them very hard for Cornell to catch.

BearLover

arugula
BC 5 Massachusetts 4 late third. Great game.

Jack Malone playing on both PP and PK and getting a lot of playing time in general. Plus I think I saw an “A” on his jersey. Frankly, it feels extra unfair that a fifth year senior from Cornell goes to play for BC. Watching this game, BC looks like the most talented team in the country. I’m sure Malone would have played his fifth year at Cornell if that were allowed. Instead, he serves a much needed role to plug the one weakness BC has.

But, more importantly at this point, crisis averted. UMass winning this game would have made them very hard for Cornell to catch.

Next week UMass plays a pair with UNH in a battle of two teams Cornell would like to see lose...

BC avg 5+ a game since the new yr and they have a PP as well.. Gonna be a tough team to beat

This weeks games to help us.

ND splitting with Mich would be nice

trying to keep umass and NH behind us so maybe a split there

St Cloud/WMU. ST cloud jumps them ahead of us but puts WMU behind us. A split moves ST cloud down. A WMU sweep knocks them back a good chunk

CC/Omaha CC winning or splitting doesnt do much for us, IMAH sweeping knocks CC back and moves up a small amount

Cornell a tie/win keeps us about the same, 2 wins could jump a team

I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

I'm OK with that. I just don't feel like hauling myself out to Sioux Falls (especially if we lose the first game).

upprdeck
This weeks games to help us.

ND splitting with Mich would be nice

trying to keep umass and NH behind us so maybe a split there

St Cloud/WMU. ST cloud jumps them ahead of us but puts WMU behind us. A split moves ST cloud down. A WMU sweep knocks them back a good chunk

CC/Omaha CC winning or splitting doesnt do much for us, IMAH sweeping knocks CC back and moves up a small amount

Cornell a tie/win keeps us about the same, 2 wins could jump a team

We don’t want Notre Dame to split with UMich. We want them to sweep. Notre Dame is way too far behind us in RPI for them to be a concern. In the event Notre Dame catches us, we will likely be too low in the Pairwise to have a shot anyway.

The goal is to be in position for an at-large bid by the end of the season. The goal is not to be as high as possible by the end of this weekend. For example, CC splitting with Omaha (rather than sweeping) might not let us jump CC this weekend, but it would put us in much better position to jump CC by the end of the year. Moreover, it’s really just about getting into the NCAAs, and less about our rank assuming we do get in. For example, Western splitting with SCSU would give us the best shot of a higher seed, but it may lower our chance of getting into the tourney in the first place (because then we would be neck and neck with both rather than well ahead of one of them).

Here’s what I think we should root for:
Notre Dame sweeps Mich
UNH splits with UMass
Omaha sweeps CC
Western sweeps SCSU (this one I’m not certain of, it’s possible a split maximizes our chances)
UML beats Prov (just a one-game series)

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

I'm OK with that. I just don't feel like hauling myself out to Sioux Falls (especially if we lose the first game).

But this bustling metropolis has an airport with 8 gates! And they're putting in a parking garage!

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

I'm OK with that. I just don't feel like hauling myself out to Sioux Falls (especially if we lose the first game).

But this bustling metropolis has an airport with 8 gates! And they're putting in a parking garage!

Uh huh. And?

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

I'm OK with that. I just don't feel like hauling myself out to Sioux Falls (especially if we lose the first game).

But this bustling metropolis has an airport with 8 gates! And they're putting in a parking garage!

Uh huh. And?

Sioux Falls actually has more going for it than you'd expect. Largely because your expectations are gonna be extremely low.

Better food than you'd think, some nice parks, some very cool state parks not too far off, and all the cornfields you desire for your existential crisis needs.

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dafatone

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd like to see NoDak back in the #2 slot. That way, they get to play the CCHA autobid in Sioux Falls.

If they're #3 (with BU #2), BU gets the CCHA in Providence or Springfield and we get UND in Sioux Falls (assuming we're still at 14).

I'm willing to get jumped by rabid NoDak fans for the cause.

I'm OK with that. I just don't feel like hauling myself out to Sioux Falls (especially if we lose the first game).

But this bustling metropolis has an airport with 8 gates! And they're putting in a parking garage!

Uh huh. And?

Sioux Falls actually has more going for it than you'd expect. Largely because your expectations are gonna be extremely low.

Better food than you'd think, some nice parks, some very cool state parks not too far off, and all the cornfields you desire for your existential crisis needs.

Bottom line: if we lose the first game, I can drive home from Providence or Springfield. I have to stick around or go somewhere nearby if we're in St. Louis or Sioux Falls.

Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

BearLover
Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

Absolutely not safe to assume that.

There's more hockey left than people realize.

several teams around us play much harder games they can lose for sure. Need some of that to happen.

Stop measuring every breath with respect to the NC$$s. The important fact of every season is the ECACs. As with football and basketball, the NCAAs is a kitschy doohickey that was added to the end to make sportswriters feel important. Yeah, it would be fun to win, but measuring a season against it is like measuring your life by the size of your coffin.

Dafatone

BearLover
Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

Absolutely not safe to assume that.

There's more hockey left than people realize.

I disagree. Cornell is going to be 16th in the PWR after tonight. It will not be especially close to any of the teams ahead of them in RPI. Cornell has 6 games left before the ECAC final (7 if quarterfinals go to 3 games). Cornell will play zero teams in the top half of the Pairwise before the ECAC final. Therefore, any loss from now until the ECAC final will badly hurt us in the Pairwise. Assuming we lose the ECAC final (i.e., we’re in the world where we need an at-large bid to get into the NCAAs), then that means another loss is probably fatal because we would be 5-2 or 6-2 against a very weak schedule.

Remember, the teams we have left to play are:
StL (53)
Union (37)
RPI (56)
Someone bad
Someone bad
Someone bad

Trotsky
Stop measuring every breath with respect to the NC$$s. The important fact of every season is the ECACs. As with football and basketball, the NCAAs is a kitschy doohickey that was added to the end to make sportswriters feel important. Yeah, it would be fun to win, but measuring a season against it is like measuring your life by the size of your coffin.

Greg you are literally the only person who thinks this. It's not that I don't go absolutely apeshit over every round we advance as its own little prize, it's not that I don't consider winning the ECAC tournament a euphoric experience. i do! but not even making the NCAA tournament with as good a team as we have is a failed season.

Trotsky
Stop measuring every breath with respect to the NC$$s. The important fact of every season is the ECACs. As with football and basketball, the NCAAs is a kitschy doohickey that was added to the end to make sportswriters feel important. Yeah, it would be fun to win, but measuring a season against it is like measuring your life by the size of your coffin.

This is, obviously, a completely ridiculous take. If all that mattered was the ECACs, I wouldn’t watch our non-conference games. I would stop watching the regular season once we had secured a bye because there’s barely any reward for getting a higher seed beyond the top 4. Basically, the regular season wouldn’t matter at all, because we’re such a better program than most of the rest of the league that we can sleepwalk our way to a bye every year. Most stupid of all, the success of the entire season would ride on the few ECAC tournament games. If you root for a hockey team and all you care about are a subset of less than five games, you’re going to have a bad time because hockey games have extreme variance.

Case in point: if all that mattered was the ECACs, I’d have tuned out weeks ago once it became clear Cornell was going to get a bye. I would not have watched tonight’s game, and I wouldn’t have cared that Cornell blew a lead with under 30 seconds to go because it wouldn’t have mattered at all.

So just win the ECACs.

A national title without an ECAC Championship would be kind of hollow anyway, in my opinion.

In my dreams, the NCAAs would just be the regular season “champs” and champions of each conference, with those who unify those crowns getting preferential seeding. A couple of prelim rounds if necessary and the Frozen Four. Would be great.

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover
Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

Absolutely not safe to assume that.

There's more hockey left than people realize.

I disagree. Cornell is going to be 16th in the PWR after tonight. It will not be especially close to any of the teams ahead of them in RPI. Cornell has 6 games left before the ECAC final (7 if quarterfinals go to 3 games). Cornell will play zero teams in the top half of the Pairwise before the ECAC final. Therefore, any loss from now until the ECAC final will badly hurt us in the Pairwise. Assuming we lose the ECAC final (i.e., we’re in the world where we need an at-large bid to get into the NCAAs), then that means another loss is probably fatal because we would be 5-2 or 6-2 against a very weak schedule.

Remember, the teams we have left to play are:
StL (53)
Union (37)
RPI (56)
Someone bad
Someone bad
Someone bad

We were what, 11th a few games ago? Opponent quality is certainly important, but we still go up a good chunk for winning against weak teams.

It's really up to what everyone else does. Keep in mind that if two of the teams near us face off in an earlier round of their conference tournament, one of them's gonna lose twice.

Scersk '97
So just win the ECACs.

A national title without an ECAC Championship would be kind of hollow anyway, in my opinion.

In my dreams, the NCAAs would just be the regular season “champs” and champions of each conference, with those who unify those crowns getting preferential seeding. A couple of prelim rounds if necessary and the Frozen Four. Would be great.

Lol. Okay dude. Quinnipiac’s title last year felt hollow because they didn’t win the ECAC? Cornell winning its first national title in 54 years would feel hollow because it didn’t win a league tournament it’s won 12 times since then? Just mind-numbing how people think this way.

Yea, enough of the “national title is a fun little desert” thing. It’s the ultimate goal.

Different people value different things.

If I had to choose, personally, I'd take the national title. But I understand people who think the ECAC is what matters and the NCAAs are just a fun bonus exercise.

Dafatone
Different people value different things.

If I had to choose, personally, I'd take the national title. But I understand people who think the ECAC is what matters and the NCAAs are just a fun bonus exercise.

It’s not just about what you value, though. Well, I guess it ultimately boils down to that, but it’s just so silly to watch a 35-game season and only care about how a couple of the games go. Whether we make the NCAAs is a function of our entire season. How we do in the ECACs is just a couple of games that invariably come down to a few random events. If we make the NCAAs, we had a good season, because over a large sample size we were one of the best teams in the whole nation.

Dafatone
Different people value different things.

If I had to choose, personally, I'd take the national title. But I understand people who think the ECAC is what matters and the NCAAs are just a fun bonus exercise.

Basically my position. This ECAC drought is killing me.

The national “drought?” Whatever. I’m glad we’ve been legitimate contenders a few times. Super rare for other teams to even have that. We’re not North Dakota and never will be.

BearLover
Well, I guess it ultimately boils down to that, but it’s just so silly to watch a 35-game season and only care about how a couple of the games go. Whether we make the NCAAs is a function of our entire season.

Creeping into the NCAAs as the 14th team in is not a great season either. That’s why I like going to the extra show with hardware in hand. Anyone who wins a championship is a contender.

I do not mind the national title drought. We punch above our weight and get to the NCAAs a lot and win plenty of R16 games. If we win a natty I will go emotional supernova. I do mind the ECAC drought, despite the emergence of Quinnipiac, because it has felt more than attainable plenty of times since our last win.

It is still a big deal to miss the NCAA tournament because we can't take care of business against teams like Yale and Clarkson and Dartmouth. As a second-tier conference we simply don't have that margin for error and I can't shrug it off.

Scersk '97

BearLover
Well, I guess it ultimately boils down to that, but it’s just so silly to watch a 35-game season and only care about how a couple of the games go. Whether we make the NCAAs is a function of our entire season.

Creeping into the NCAAs as the 14th team in is not a great season either. That’s why I like going to the extra show with hardware in hand. Anyone who wins a championship is a contender.

obviously getting in with an ECAC trophy cures all ills. but if we have to win the conference title to make the tournament, history is mostly unkind.

and i watched yale skate with the big trophy after getting in as an at-large with a 4-seed. it looked fun.

Right but NoDak fans think they should win the national championship every year (delusional / entitled). I think most of us just think we need ONE asap because we have had really good teams a lot over the past 30 years. Also exacerbated by Yale/Union/Qpac.

We can't be hyperventilating over every single game's Pairwise impact.

Western Michigan tied up St. Cloud! Cmon Western Michigan!

ugarte
It is still a big deal to miss the NCAA tournament because we can't take care of business against teams like Yale and Clarkson and Dartmouth. As a second-tier conference we simply don't have that margin for error and I can't shrug it off.

If I remember correctly, Bearlover hates it when the ECAC is full of strong teams. He’s never been part of the “rising tide” faction.

But, as you rightly identify, that small margin for error is what we get.

Scersk '97

ugarte
It is still a big deal to miss the NCAA tournament because we can't take care of business against teams like Yale and Clarkson and Dartmouth. As a second-tier conference we simply don't have that margin for error and I can't shrug it off.

If I remember correctly, Bearlover hates it when the ECAC is full of strong teams. He’s never been part of the “rising tide” faction.

But, as you rightly identify, that small margin for error is what we get.

To be fair to BL, he hates the rising tide unless Cornell is at the crest of the wave and a bit better than the rest of the league.

Scersk '97
If I remember correctly, Bearlover hates it when the ECAC is full of strong teams. He’s never been part of the “rising tide” faction.

But, as you rightly identify, that small margin for error is what we get.

i take no position on whether the rising tide is good or bad for us. i have no idea. what i know is that right now we're at low tide and at risk of running aground.

ugarte

Scersk '97
If I remember correctly, Bearlover hates it when the ECAC is full of strong teams. He’s never been part of the “rising tide” faction.

But, as you rightly identify, that small margin for error is what we get.

i take no position on whether the rising tide is good or bad for us. i have no idea. what i know is that right now we're at low tide and at risk of running aground.

Absolutely agree. No matter how much I enjoy Harvard‘s dysfunction, they’re a symptom of a really weak league this year.

Scersk '97

ugarte

Scersk '97
If I remember correctly, Bearlover hates it when the ECAC is full of strong teams. He’s never been part of the “rising tide” faction.

But, as you rightly identify, that small margin for error is what we get.

i take no position on whether the rising tide is good or bad for us. i have no idea. what i know is that right now we're at low tide and at risk of running aground.

Absolutely agree. No matter how much I enjoy Harvard‘s dysfunction, they’re a symptom of a really weak league this year.

one thing i'll say for the rising tide: we get to watch better hockey week to week, and if you consider watching a game more than just a scoreboard race until the clock says 0:00, good hockey > bad hockey, win or lose. If i'm killing time and flipping through ESPN+ I watch BC, not Canisius.

ugarte

Trotsky
Stop measuring every breath with respect to the NC$$s. The important fact of every season is the ECACs. As with football and basketball, the NCAAs is a kitschy doohickey that was added to the end to make sportswriters feel important. Yeah, it would be fun to win, but measuring a season against it is like measuring your life by the size of your coffin.

Greg you are literally the only person who thinks this

Apparently not.

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover
Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

Absolutely not safe to assume that.

There's more hockey left than people realize.

I disagree. Cornell is going to be 16th in the PWR after tonight. It will not be especially close to any of the teams ahead of them in RPI. Cornell has 6 games left before the ECAC final (7 if quarterfinals go to 3 games). Cornell will play zero teams in the top half of the Pairwise before the ECAC final. Therefore, any loss from now until the ECAC final will badly hurt us in the Pairwise. Assuming we lose the ECAC final (i.e., we’re in the world where we need an at-large bid to get into the NCAAs), then that means another loss is probably fatal because we would be 5-2 or 6-2 against a very weak schedule.

Remember, the teams we have left to play are:
StL (53)
Union (37)
RPI (56)
Someone bad
Someone bad
Someone bad

And Clarkson is 36. So we just tied/lost to "someone bad."

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky
Stop measuring every breath with respect to the NC$$s. The important fact of every season is the ECACs. As with football and basketball, the NCAAs is a kitschy doohickey that was added to the end to make sportswriters feel important. Yeah, it would be fun to win, but measuring a season against it is like measuring your life by the size of your coffin.

Greg you are literally the only person who thinks this

Apparently not.

based on what? the closest support i think you got was "don't condemn him, there is more than one way to like things."

to the extent that anyone else focuses on the conference over the natty it is because the conference is reasonably attainable (and impressive and thrilling). the national championship is the stretch goal, and we are blessed to root for a program that can realistically dream of it.

we have a banner that says 1967 and 1970 on it hanging in the rafters. it isn't there because of ncaa greedheads, it's there because every good team in the country wants to prove that they're the best, whatever conference they play in.

even in losing last night there is path with the RPIs being so close that we could jump right back up to 13-14th or so tonight with all the teams in that 12-16 group being real close.

CC losing tonight is big and hopefully Denver takes them in 2 weeks
Mich losing to ND and then getting help from Minn next week
umass we beed UNH and then maine in 2 weeks as well
Prov we need to slip up somewhere for sure



so basically we need those teams in the top 10 to play well

Again, the logical extension of Trotsky’s argument is to not care about the regular season, not care about out of conference games, and put the entire season’s weight on 2-5 games in March. Last night’s game was irrelevant in Trotsky’s view, I guess. Which is nice for him, because if he actually cared about Cornell hockey having national success, last night was about as crushing a series of events as you could imagine in the regular season.

Jeff Hopkins '82

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover
Safe to assume Cornell is going to have to win every single game until the ECAC finals if they want to make the NCAAs.

Absolutely not safe to assume that.

There's more hockey left than people realize.

I disagree. Cornell is going to be 16th in the PWR after tonight. It will not be especially close to any of the teams ahead of them in RPI. Cornell has 6 games left before the ECAC final (7 if quarterfinals go to 3 games). Cornell will play zero teams in the top half of the Pairwise before the ECAC final. Therefore, any loss from now until the ECAC final will badly hurt us in the Pairwise. Assuming we lose the ECAC final (i.e., we’re in the world where we need an at-large bid to get into the NCAAs), then that means another loss is probably fatal because we would be 5-2 or 6-2 against a very weak schedule.

Remember, the teams we have left to play are:
StL (53)
Union (37)
RPI (56)
Someone bad
Someone bad
Someone bad

And Clarkson is 36. So we just tied/lost to "someone bad."

Correct

BearLover
Again, the logical extension of Trotsky’s argument is to not care about the regular season, not care about out of conference games, and put the entire season’s weight on 2-5 games in March. Last night’s game was irrelevant in Trotsky’s view, I guess. Which is nice for him, because if he actually cared about Cornell hockey having national success, last night was about as crushing a series of events as you could imagine in the regular season.

I share Greg's perspective on things, but I also can say I cared about last night's game quite a bit. I don't need to rehearse why.

But you do you, man. Your ad hominem stuff is getting tiresome, again.

Scersk '97
I share Greg's perspective on things,

dammit scersk this is terrible timing

ugarte

Scersk '97
I share Greg's perspective on things,

dammit scersk this is terrible timing

Well, I don't share his perspective on ALL things. That would be… disturbing?

Scersk '97

BearLover
Again, the logical extension of Trotsky’s argument is to not care about the regular season, not care about out of conference games, and put the entire season’s weight on 2-5 games in March. Last night’s game was irrelevant in Trotsky’s view, I guess. Which is nice for him, because if he actually cared about Cornell hockey having national success, last night was about as crushing a series of events as you could imagine in the regular season.

I share Greg's perspective on things, but I also can say I cared about last night's game quite a bit. I don't need to rehearse why.

But you do you, man. Your ad hominem stuff is getting tiresome, again.

If the ECAC tournament is what you care about, last night was a positive development, because our chance of getting the 2-seed actually went up. Hmm…

BearLover

Scersk '97

BearLover
Again, the logical extension of Trotsky’s argument is to not care about the regular season, not care about out of conference games, and put the entire season’s weight on 2-5 games in March. Last night’s game was irrelevant in Trotsky’s view, I guess. Which is nice for him, because if he actually cared about Cornell hockey having national success, last night was about as crushing a series of events as you could imagine in the regular season.

I share Greg's perspective on things, but I also can say I cared about last night's game quite a bit. I don't need to rehearse why.

But you do you, man. Your ad hominem stuff is getting tiresome, again.

If the ECAC tournament is what you care about, last night was a positive development, because our chance of getting the 2-seed actually went up. Hmm…

And if group think on eLynah is what you care about you haven't been paying attention.

Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

first of all, hoo boy. second of all, goddamnit, ASU!

ugarte

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

first of all, hoo boy. second of all, goddamnit, ASU!

Does "persisting in misconduct" mean not getting off the ice after being called for a game misconduct?

BearLover
Again, the logical extension of Trotsky’s argument is to not care about the regular season, not care about out of conference games, and put the entire season’s weight on 2-5 games in March.

No, it's not. It's to care about the game that is in front of your eyes, right now. Treat today's game as the end, not a means to the end of the NC$$s.

Be alive, not merely instrumental.

ugarte

Scersk '97
I share Greg's perspective on things,

dammit scersk this is terrible timing

This post, right here, is why you are awesome.

I promise to let you crass materialists alone in future, and not chide you as dupes of the emptiness of the national title hedonic treadmill, obscuring the spiritual transcendence of the ECACs.

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

Let's go to the video!

Trotsky

ugarte

Scersk '97
I share Greg's perspective on things,

dammit scersk this is terrible timing

This post, right here, is why you are awesome.

gotta keep it light. in the end it's something i watch from my couch that gets interrupted by life all the time.

marty

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

Let's go to the video!

"Scouts?"

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

"Face masking"?

I'm sorry, but -- what the hell is Dartmouth doing in fourth place??

Give My Regards
I'm sorry, but -- what the hell is Dartmouth doing in fourth place??

Drinking, presumably.

Trotsky

Give My Regards
I'm sorry, but -- what the hell is Dartmouth doing in fourth place??

Drinking, presumably.

Keeping it warm for Clarkson?

I thought we would drop much more in RPI so I’m glad to see us still at 16. We are still very much in this but certainly need to win out until the ECAC final, I could see us possibly making it even with an OT win next weekend, but lets not test that.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

Give My Regards
I'm sorry, but -- what the hell is Dartmouth doing in fourth place??

Drinking, presumably.

Keeping it warm for Clarkson?

Dartmouth actually wins the two-way tiebreaker against Clarkson.

interesting we would still be in 16th even had we held on for the win last night.

Trotsky

marty

Chris '03
Something not related to hand wringing over PWR:

Check out the third period box from Alaska last night. [alaskananooks.com]

Not sure I've seen "persisting in misconduct" before.

Let's go to the video!

"Scouts?"

Here's everything from the network

[youtu.be]

Early look at this week, so many games that matter now

BC needs to take care of UNH to stop them from creeping up
can Minn sweep Michigan If not Mich will jump up a good chunk ahead of us

CC with a split I dont think we can pass them but too many unknowns right now
Umass Lowell winning one would be be big to close the Umass lead

UND winning 2 would be huge as well to bring WMU into range
Denver sweep on the road doubtful but would bring ST cloud back into range as well

can merrimack take one off or Prov

Looks like we root for Maine to finish well the next 2 weeks.

We got about every good result we could have wanted last night but Cornell winning.

But even if we win the game we still would be in 16th place

Still a slim path to get past CC/WMU if they collapse but not likley

If we sweep the quarters, beat let’s say Colgate in the semis, and lose to qpac in the finals, how much help would we need for an at large? We talking 65% of in? 5%?

CU2007
If we sweep the quarters, beat let’s say Colgate in the semis, and lose to qpac in the finals, how much help would we need for an at large? We talking 65% of in? 5%?

id call it like a 10 percent chance, could be wrong though.

CU2007
If we sweep the quarters, beat let’s say Colgate in the semis, and lose to qpac in the finals, how much help would we need for an at large? We talking 65% of in? 5%?

I guess we'd want chalk, to strengthen our SOS and also all our opponents.

Ideally, of course, it's chalk until we upset the Skating Deerticks.

chimpfood

CU2007
If we sweep the quarters, beat let’s say Colgate in the semis, and lose to qpac in the finals, how much help would we need for an at large? We talking 65% of in? 5%?

id call it like a 10 percent chance, could be wrong though.

I'm guessing closer to 5, unfortunately. We need to roll through three straight, have some of the teams ahead of us get knocked out in two, and then need the conferences to shake out without upsets so that the top 14 get in.

We're at 16 right now, a smidge ahead of UNO. They're in a scarier conference and likely will play tougher opponents, so if they win 3 straight and lose in the finals, they probably pass us. We need to pass two teams to get into the top 14.

Prov has BU an Northeastern this weekend. 2 losses that would put them close to Cornell.

uMass has 2 with Maine.

Mich has 2 with ND

4 teams in the NCHC are playing with results that can help Cornell.

so in reality 7 teams that around us are playing where it doesn't help both teams.

In a perfect result world we could jump back up to about 13th.

what are the helpful results?

Bu beat Prov tonight.. 1 we wanted


Miami plays WMU
Denver plays CC
Minn D plays St cloud
NDak plays Omaha

ND plays Mich

Minn/Wisc not losing in theirs would be good

All 6 teams ahead of us have a shot at losing 2 games this weekend. We need teams to back up to have a chance at a AT large to still be in play

Maine got the win
ND had a 2 goal lead and lost
Mind Dul comes back from 2 down late to win in OT
Ndak loses to Omaha
Miami had a 2 goal lead vs WMU and lost

could have been 4 good results that help got 2

Denver losing early to CC in a very fast paced game.

17 in PWR

IF Denver sweeps this weekend and CC is just barely ahead of us
Maine sweeps and Umass is barely ahead of us
Minn D wins tomorrow and St cloude is barely ahead of us
NE wins tomorrow and Prov is barely ahead of us
Miami Wins tomorrow and WMU is barely ahead of us

you could have 5-6 teams within 1-2 tenths of a pt.

If Cornell had hung on vs Clarkson (or if Schafer had challenged the hand pass) or beaten Union, we’d have a good shot at an at-large bid. As it stands, we have almost no shot. To have a realistic shot at an at-large bid, we needed tonight to go extremely well. I didn’t. Sickness or no sickness, things just…fell apart at the end. At this point, I’m resigned to the likely reality we need to win the ECAC, which unfortunately means I’m resigned to the fact we are a long shot to make the NCAAs.

6 teams in the PWR ahead of Cornell can still tumble. We need to pass 3 of them.

no chance at an at large without a sweep next week and a win in the Semis.

Then the question is how far do we drop with a loss if its Quin and if its not Quin we would expect a win.

same 6 big games tonight that matter.

ND winning next 2 over Mich would mean Mich is done for the year and wont move much and certainly drops to where we can catch them with 3 wins.
ND had their chance last night.

Another salvo in the facility wars.


$320 Million renovation for Maine's Alfond arena and facilities


[www.uscho.com]

Maine knocks of Umass
NE ties Prov

so they play each other now and a sweep knocks the loser out

Need Denver to come back vs CC and Ndak to wake up vs Omaha and avoid a sweep

Minn D steps up and takes down SCS

all 4 teams ahead of us are within range

ND lost leads both nights vs Mich which probably puts Mich in now.

Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.

upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.

I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.