Opponents and Others 2023-24

I suppose we can start off this thread with today's announcement of Colgate's new head coach. That leaves Schafer as the longest tenured head coach in the conference I think

Iceberg
I suppose we can start off this thread with today's announcement of Colgate's new head coach. That leaves Schafer as the longest tenured head coach in the conference I think

Harder to put the link in?

Iceberg
I suppose we can start off this thread with today's announcement of Colgate's new head coach. That leaves Schafer as the longest tenured head coach in the conference I think

Colgate alum and former assistant coach Mike Harder '97 [colgateathletics.com]

They can yell "HARDER!" again, that's nice.

Trotsky
They can yell "HARDER!" again, that's nice.

Was he playing around the time "We want Weder" became a thing or am I off by a few years?

Iceberg

Trotsky
They can yell "HARDER!" again, that's nice.

Was he playing around the time "We want Weder" became a thing or am I off by a few years?

He’s Colgate class of ‘97, and the Weder series was March ‘96.

I certainly remember shouting “Hit Harder harder!” Amazing he’s still Colgate’s leading career scorer, considering 1) that was the era of lowest offense in modern hockey, and 2) they’ve had players the caliber of Andy MacDonald come through since.

Edit: 214 points. Damn, he was really good.

Iceberg
I suppose we can start off this thread with today's announcement of Colgate's new head coach. That leaves Schafer as the longest tenured head coach in the conference I think

Schafer is in fact the ECAC's longest tenured head coach. Pecknold was hired at Quinnipiac in 1994, one year before Schafer's tenure began, but Q didn't join the ECAC until 2005.

RichH

Iceberg

Trotsky
They can yell "HARDER!" again, that's nice.

Was he playing around the time "We want Weder" became a thing or am I off by a few years?

He’s Colgate class of ‘97, and the Weder series was March ‘96.

I certainly remember shouting “Hit Harder harder!” Amazing he’s still Colgate’s leading career scorer, considering 1) that was the era of lowest offense in modern hockey, and 2) they’ve had players the caliber of Andy MacDonald come through since.

Edit: 214 points. Damn, he was really good.

That's not the Harder chant that I remember.... The one that I recall was "F me harder"

The chant I remember was a sizeable group of Colgate coeds at Starr chanting "Harder! Harder!" with appropriate intonation. One of the best chants I have ever heard, by any crowd.

Trotsky
The chant I remember was a sizeable group of Colgate coeds at Starr chanting "Harder! Harder!" with appropriate intonation. One of the best chants I have ever heard, by any crowd.

I remember Shep Harder, who played goalie for Colgate around the same time, whacking his stick on the ice at the end of a penalty, and several of us shouting "Harder! Whack it harder!" (Actually that might have been at the Colgate-Clarkson game during a North Country weekend when their game was in the afternoon, and Cornell-SLU in the evening...)

Shep also picked up a fighting major at Lynah in 2000.

Chris '03
Shep also picked up a fighting major at Lynah in 2000.

Model citizen.

Chris '03
Shep also picked up a fighting major at Lynah in 2000.

And a double-DQ, IIRC, since he skated the length of the ice to fight with our goalie (Ian Burt?)

jtwcornell91

Chris '03
Shep also picked up a fighting major at Lynah in 2000.

And a double-DQ, IIRC, since he skated the length of the ice to fight with our goalie (Ian Burt?)

That was Union's Leeor Shtrom in 1998.

How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

I covered that game as a student and the postgame interviews (not so much the fight itself) have always stuck in my brain. Burt’s version was that he declined an offer to fight and that prompted Shtrom to say something along the lines of “Well, let’s go then.” (Too lazy to look up the story but it probably still exists somewhere online, though it is assuredly some mediocre writing.)

Weder

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How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

I covered that game as a student and the postgame interviews (not so much the fight itself) have always stuck in my brain. Burt’s version was that he declined an offer to fight and that prompted Shtrom to say something along the lines of “Well, let’s go then.” (Too lazy to look up the story but it probably still exists somewhere online, though it is assuredly some mediocre writing.)

The 1998 Suns aren't digitized, but the Ithaca Journal report is here: [www.newspapers.com]

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Well, it helps to have seen the absurdity in person. But once you read Bill's summary from the late, lamented Hockey-L, you'll remember it forever, too.

Give My Regards
"...suffice it to say that the next time somebody asks me what I consider to be the height of stupidity, I'll have an answer ready: five feet ten inches, because according to the game program, that's how tall Leeor Shtrom is."

Full summary:
[lists.maine.edu]

Beeeej

jtwcornell91

Chris '03
Shep also picked up a fighting major at Lynah in 2000.

And a double-DQ, IIRC, since he skated the length of the ice to fight with our goalie (Ian Burt?)

That was Union's Leeor Shtrom in 1998.

Oh, right. We seem to have had a lot of goalie fights back then.

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Well, I was just reflecting on the fact that current undergrads were not born when all this happened.

Beeeej

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Well, it helps to have seen the absurdity in person. But once you read Bill's summary from the late, lamented Hockey-L, you'll remember it forever, too.

Give My Regards
"...suffice it to say that the next time somebody asks me what I consider to be the height of stupidity, I'll have an answer ready: five feet ten inches, because according to the game program, that's how tall Leeor Shtrom is."

Full summary:
[lists.maine.edu]

I rarely missed a game between 1969 and 2018 except for 3 years in law school in the mid-70's so I quite likely DID witness the antics in person. I do vividly recall Randy Wilson's missed open net and defenseman Robbie Gemmel's goal scored from the crease in a game decades earlier, however. I guess my memory is selective....

dag14

Beeeej

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Well, it helps to have seen the absurdity in person. But once you read Bill's summary from the late, lamented Hockey-L, you'll remember it forever, too.

Give My Regards
"...suffice it to say that the next time somebody asks me what I consider to be the height of stupidity, I'll have an answer ready: five feet ten inches, because according to the game program, that's how tall Leeor Shtrom is."

Full summary:
[lists.maine.edu]

I rarely missed a game between 1969 and 2018 except for 3 years in law school in the mid-70's so I quite likely DID witness the antics in person. I do vividly recall Randy Wilson's missed open net and defenseman Robbie Gemmel's goal scored from the crease in a game decades earlier, however. I guess my memory is selective....

One of the best parts of life is trading memories. If I remembered what my friends do and vice versa, my world would be a sad place.

All of us except Marilu Henner have selective memory. Yippee!

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Like Italian (or Irish, pick one) Alzheimer's: You forget everything but the grudge.

dag14

Beeeej

dag14
How do you people remember this stuff? I am not sure what I had for breakfast this morning.

Well, it helps to have seen the absurdity in person. But once you read Bill's summary from the late, lamented Hockey-L, you'll remember it forever, too.

Give My Regards
"...suffice it to say that the next time somebody asks me what I consider to be the height of stupidity, I'll have an answer ready: five feet ten inches, because according to the game program, that's how tall Leeor Shtrom is."

Full summary:
[lists.maine.edu]

I rarely missed a game between 1969 and 2018 except for 3 years in law school in the mid-70's so I quite likely DID witness the antics in person. I do vividly recall Randy Wilson's missed open net and defenseman Robbie Gemmel's goal scored from the crease in a game decades earlier, however. I guess my memory is selective....

I remember Nethery's goal tying it up. Gemmell's goal less so.

I remember Robbie's goal primarily because of where he was when he took the shot -- practically in the crease. I mean -- what was he doing there? He was a defenseman!

Mike Vecchione wins the Calder Cup.

MIKE VECCHIONE WINS THE CALDER CUP FOR HERSHEY! pic.twitter.com/mUsNdIkQZB

— Hockey Daily 365 l NHL Highlights (@HockeyDaily365) June 22, 2023

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[www.tennessean.com]

The Tennessean
Tennessee State University is prepared to become the first Historically Black College and University to field a collegiate hockey team, the school revealed Wednesday ahead of the 2023 NHL Draft in Nashville.

A men's club team is planned for the '24-'25 season, moving to D-I by '26-'27, with women's team to follow.

23-24 opponent Arizona State to NCHC for 24-25.

Arizona State to Become 9th NCHC Member in 2024-25[t.co] pic.twitter.com/SixqDIFBMX

— College Hockey News (@chnews) July 5, 2023

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Chris '03
23-24 opponent Arizona State to NCHC for 24-25.

Arizona State to Become 9th NCHC Member in 2024-25[t.co] pic.twitter.com/SixqDIFBMX

— College Hockey News (@chnews) July 5, 2023

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An odd number of teams in a conference hurts my brain.

Wonder where Augustana winds up. D1 hockey in my backyard, somehow.

Edit: apparently they're CCHA.

Good for them.

Nacho needs another now if you're listening, Rand.

At least according to the recent SCOTUS decision, we don't have to worry about another Donato at Harvard.

Roy 82
At least according to the recent SCOTUS decision, we don't have to worry about another Donato at Harvard.

And keeping with the theme of admissions criteria, I found this piece on athletics and selective admissions to be annoyingly thought provoking. I think it unfairly singles out the Ivies, but I generally agree. While I enjoy seeing the best of the best play, it would be good to know that the athletes did not receive special treatment. That is not to say that athletic excellence doesn't demonstrate something of merit. But in many sports (e.g. hockey and lacrosse - to pick random examples ) it favors players that come from families that can afford expensive coaching and traveling teams.

Roy 82
At least according to the recent SCOTUS decision, we don't have to worry about another Donato at Harvard.

why would this possibly be true? SCOTUS didn't say anything about legacies. if anything, we have to worry about too many donatos.

ugarte

Roy 82
At least according to the recent SCOTUS decision, we don't have to worry about another Donato at Harvard.

why would this possibly be true? SCOTUS didn't say anything about legacies. if anything, we have to worry about too many donatos.

Are we at least done with the Biegas? It's fun to yell at each one of them that they're the worst of the Biegas, but it eventually gets old.

I'm pretty sure OP was ironic. As in, SCOTUS is deeply concerned about students being admitted to universities who aren't qualified to be there... except rich ones.

It's Need Based Admissions, and we need another building.

Did the decision refer to how U of Texas does admissions? Admission is pretty much guaranteed to Texas applicants who graduate in the top 10% of their HS class. This does a lot to level the playing field for disadvantaged kids. So it boosts diversity without resorting to racial quotas.

The great majority of black and hispanic kids admitted under Harvard's approach were from the top 20% of the income distribution. A large share of the black kids, over 1/3 I believe, came from interracial or well-off foreign families. To me, Harvard's program was more designed to perpetuate a permanent, if diverse, ruling class than extend opportunity to people who have little.

One of the justices commented something like that a white student from Beverly Hills would experience more diversity encountering a white student from Appalachia than he would encountering a black student from Scarsdale, which I felt was a good point. It would certainly be more unsettling, too.

I can't see any of this effecting Cornell hockey or lacrosse except if it decided to focus more on sports black kids play, which would be futile anyway and so something they might very well do. Also, legacy admissions seems to be another matter entirely.

ugarte

Roy 82
At least according to the recent SCOTUS decision, we don't have to worry about another Donato at Harvard.

why would this possibly be true? SCOTUS didn't say anything about legacies. if anything, we have to worry about too many donatos.

It is my understanding that the ruling opened the door for those seeking to end legacy admissions:
[thehill.com]
But you are right that the immediate ruling does not eliminate that.

The ruling is irrelevant to legacy admissions as a matter of law. It's simply a particularly hilarious self-own by our ruling class (and many of our classmates) of their hypocrisy. It should be enjoyed and savored as one of those moments when the scenery falls away and we see the bare wall at the back of the theater.

Trotsky
The ruling is irrelevant to legacy admissions as a matter of law. It's simply a particularly hilarious self-own by our ruling class (and many of our classmates) of their hypocrisy. It should be enjoyed and savored as one of those moments when the scenery falls away and we see the bare wall at the back of the theater.

I think the SCOTUS decided it was illegal to use "race" in admissions. Legacy admissions are de facto racially biased, but not explicitly race-based. Some "progressives" took this to imply the decision would open the door to similar lawsuits against legacy admissions. But I'm skeptical that this SCOTUS would treat de facto racism as unconstitutional, even though fair housing legislation has made de facto racism illegal (if you can prove it).

Swampy
even though fair housing legislation has made de facto racism illegal (if you can prove it).

For now. I assume the fasc will eventually end disparate impact and force us to prove intent.

Trotsky

Swampy
even though fair housing legislation has made de facto racism illegal (if you can prove it).

For now. I assume the fasc will eventually end disparate impact and force us to prove intent.

Oh, right. There’s no such thing as structural racism.

This article say Cornell has more legacy students than black students! (Notre Dame and USc, too.)

[www.bbc.com]

It's about Wesleyan University dropping them. MIT and Johns Hopkins already have. Maybe Cornell needs the $$$ more than they do? It's bad policy and they should drop it as soon as they are able to.

The People's Ivy.

But Jesus Christ, not those people!

Cruising through Canton and Potsdam last week, there's a lot of stuff you see by day that you don't see if you pull in at 5 p.m. in winter and head right from a diner to the rink. On Route 11, across the street from the Clarkson entrance wall, there's a display of dozens, maybe a hundred, old toilets with flowers in the bowls.

According to Syracuse station WSYR, the line of latrines stems from a circa 2000 protest by a resident (also artist and film-maker), who felt he was treated poorly in a land transaction back then. In protest, Morgan Elliot created a protest-in-art and, and with a background in film, made a movie, "Potty Town." <insert own "Now Streaming" joke>

Say hello to the Union College Garnet Chargers: [dailygazette.com]

Will
Say hello to the Union College Garnet Chargers: [dailygazette.com]

The one thing about them that was interesting.

So stupid.

Dutchargers

Take your pick, Lynah.

Edit: oh, shit, those aren't Dutch slurs, those are Dutch slurs. Don't take your pick.

Edit 2: OK. Whew. Take you pick.

RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

Ivies will probably take this opportunity to shoot themselves in the dick as usual. Performative Purity -- it's what's for dinner.

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

[rpiathletics.com]

ursusminor

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

[rpiathletics.com]

Good catch. I'll post the announcement for the assistant coaches on the seats of the "Honorary Referees" who sit near me in section 7.

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

Cornell's four-person men's hockey coaching staff (including HC and director of hockey operations) correlates to the now-allowed three coaches. Cornell's coaching roster. I assume hockey operations differs from assistant coach. [cornellbigred.com]

NAME	                TITLE
Coaching Staff
Mike Schafer '86	Head Coach	
Ben Syer	        Associate Head Coach	
Sean Flanagan	        Assistant Coach	
Ben Russell	        Director of Hockey Operations
Support Staff
Ed Kelly                Assistant Athletic Trainer
Sean Schmidt            Equipment Manager 

billhoward

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

Cornell's four-person men's hockey coaching staff (including HC and director of hockey operations) correlates to the now-allowed three coaches. Cornell's coaching roster. I assume hockey operations differs from assistant coach. [cornellbigred.com]

NAME	                TITLE
Coaching Staff
Mike Schafer '86	Head Coach	
Ben Syer	        Associate Head Coach	
Sean Flanagan	        Assistant Coach	
Ben Russell	        Director of Hockey Operations
Support Staff
Ed Kelly                Assistant Athletic Trainer
Sean Schmidt            Equipment Manager 

Pretty sure this is incorrect and a reading comprehension fail. Look at that list going back several years and the number of coaches and titles hasn't changed.

New rules are for three *assistant coaches*, not 3 coaches total

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

abmarks

billhoward

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

Cornell's four-person men's hockey coaching staff (including HC and director of hockey operations) correlates to the now-allowed three coaches. Cornell's coaching roster. I assume hockey operations differs from assistant coach. [cornellbigred.com]

NAME	                TITLE
Coaching Staff
Mike Schafer '86	Head Coach	
Ben Syer	        Associate Head Coach	
Sean Flanagan	        Assistant Coach	
Ben Russell	        Director of Hockey Operations
Support Staff
Ed Kelly                Assistant Athletic Trainer
Sean Schmidt            Equipment Manager 

Pretty sure this is incorrect and a reading comprehension fail. Look at that list going back several years and the number of coaches and titles hasn't changed.

New rules are for three *assistant coaches*, not 3 coaches total

ursusminor
RPI has hired former BU Assistant Athletic Director Dr. Kristie Bowers as its new AD. She played soccer at Binghamton.

BTW, RPI has an advertisement out for third paid assistant coaches for both its men's and women's hockey teams as the NCAA now allows. Is Cornell also getting additional ACs?

Abmarks is correct. RPI's staff list does not include the new coach yet and shows the head coach, two assistant coaches, and someone described as "operations coordinator". [rpiathletics.com]. RPI is very slow in updating things.

An RPI blog's take on RPI's defense and goalies. [thefieldhouse.substack.com] I assume that it is no secret that the first blogger listed is the same person whose computer-based predictions of the ECAC standings I posted on another thread, and then he commented after several Cornell fans' posts. An earlier evaluation of RPI's forwards is here [thefieldhouse.substack.com] .

It looks like I did not post the article stating that RPI's third assistant coach position was filled. [rpiathletics.com]

Some OOC games with possible PWR implications months from now have begun.

SLU beat RIT
Clarkson beat Notre Dame
BC beat Quinnipiac in OT
UCONN beat Colgate

Malone skating a lot for BC and Tupker for Q.

arugula
Malone skating a lot for BC and Tupker for Q.

I am pretty sure I heard the other Tupker playing for Union yesterday.

Firewagon hockey in Hockey East with UNH leading #2 BU 6-4 in the third.

ugarte
Firewagon hockey in Hockey East with UNH leading #2 BU 6-4 in the third.

FWIW, that's also the final.

Lindenwood with a tie at tOSU

Last night St. Thomas took Minnesota to OT and tonight it's 2-0 GGs with the clock winding down.

Man, I love the Pairwise during the first couple of weeks of the season before the math really starts mathing.

Holy Cross is currently #1.

Trotsky
Holy Cross is currently #1.

Will miracles never cease?

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
Holy Cross is currently #1.

Will miracles never cease?

That's what Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub thought.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
Holy Cross is currently #1.

Will miracles never cease?

That's what Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub thought.

Ah, the Ivy League and its esoteric humor.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky
Holy Cross is currently #1.

Will miracles never cease?

Nah, Bob Cousy's grandson laced up his skates for the Cross.

[Rambling aside: A fellow reporter with zero sports knowledge was assigned to write on the Springfield Mass. tip-off (basketball) classic back when this game mattered a lot (it allowed the participants N+1 games in their seasons). she interviewed honorary chair Bob Cousy, and at the end of the interview asked, "Mister Couseny [headslap 1], would you remind me of your relationship to basketball [headslaps 2-5]." Geezus Gawd. For the rest of the tournament, the sports desk was assigned to do the news-side stories. Just to avoid further embarrassment.

Dreams of a return to D3 sunk in the harbor like the Flying Dutchmen.

marty
Dreams of a return to D3 sunk in the harbor like the Flying Dutchmen.

Be about 3/4 mile away from Union's current Messa Rink. Be about the same size (seating); Messa is now 2225 seats. They can't play someplace else for two summers and the year in between, then return to Messa? Or does Union want to replace an athletic facility with an academic building, as Cornell is doing? Messa is as old as Lynah was circa 1980, that is a bit more than two decades.

Take the seating numbers with a grain of salt. The story says the new facility would have 3600 seats; it also says in the caption the rink would be 3600 square feet (factcheck: a 200x85 surface is 17,000 square feet). And it further says seating for hockey would be about 2200. There's a casino next door, a boat yard, and two hotels. It sounds as if the town likes the idea of a spiffed up waterfront. There may be some state-federal-local development funds.

There's a note that the site used to be a GE locomotive factory and that there would need to be a site environmental review. I'm not an environmental engineer but I know long-ago vehicle factories have some soil quality issues. I worked one summer at Morse Chain on South Hill (Borg Warner), they've been gone for 40 years, the site was finally closed as a business in 2011 and site remediation I don't believe has full approval quite. So, lotsa luck, Union.

Map has new rink location upper left along the river, existing Messa rink is lower right.

billhoward

marty
Dreams of a return to D3 sunk in the harbor like the Flying Dutchmen.

Be about 3/4 mile away from Union's current Messa Rink. Be about the same size (seating); Messa is now 2225 seats. They can't play someplace else for two summers and the year in between, then return to Messa? Or does Union want to replace an athletic facility with an academic building, as Cornell is doing? Messa is as old as Lynah was circa 1980, that is a bit more than two decades.

Administration saying it's cheaper: "...because expenses are shared with other parties, it is also the most cost-effective option.”

Take the seating numbers with a grain of salt. The story says the new facility would have 3600 seats; it also says in the caption the rink would be 3600 square feet (factcheck: a 200x85 surface is 17,000 square feet). And it further says seating for hockey would be about 2200. There's a casino next door, a boat yard, and two hotels. It sounds as if the town likes the idea of a spiffed up waterfront. There may be some state-federal-local development funds.

Not enough copy editors/editors anymore

SHitty caption- it was clearly referring to 3600 seats given all the other info in the article. Plus, the article's Header and sub-header don't really go together. Both are accurate, but misleading together.

3600 seat arena for concerts.
2200 seat hockey rink.

There's a note that the site used to be a GE locomotive factory and that there would need to be a site environmental review. I'm not an environmental engineer but I know long-ago vehicle factories have some soil quality issues. I worked one summer at Morse Chain on South Hill (Borg Warner), they've been gone for 40 years, the site was finally closed as a business in 2011 and site remediation I don't believe has full approval quite. So, lotsa luck, Union.

If GE was there before, there'll be a toxic stew left behind for sure. good luck indeed (or good luck getting the remediation paid for)

billhoward
There's a note that the site used to be a GE locomotive factory and that there would need to be a site environmental review. I'm not an environmental engineer but I know long-ago vehicle factories have some soil quality issues. I worked one summer at Morse Chain on South Hill (Borg Warner), they've been gone for 40 years, the site was finally closed as a business in 2011 and site remediation I don't believe has full approval quite. So, lotsa luck, Union.

Mandatory:

billhoward

Map has new rink location upper left along the river, existing Messa rink is lower right.

I give you credit Bill for posting the map. My "fell out of bed on my head" meter told me this is a fucked up location for the rink of a small school like Union, I didn't bother to look for the proof of my concussion conclusion, Thanks for doing this. I think the school will be running shuttles to the game. I can't imagine this is going to promote good student attendance. As much as I have no use for the Cornell Band stifling dorks at Messa Rink this seems to be an even more silly move than tamping down fun and rivalry. Free pizza if you show up won't counteract the inconvenient location. Maybe they'll offer a few chips for the Craps table or a full pulls pushes of the One Armed Bandit with each "adult" ticket.

Isn't the "Vampire Squid of the Week" Q facility well off campus, too?

Maybe this is the future. They'll put Lynah 2 at Cass Park.

Trotsky
Isn't the "Vampire Squid of the Week" Q facility well off campus, too?

Q's rink is on its York Hill Campus. When the rink was first opened, there wasn't anything else there. But now that campus -- which is on top of a hill as those of us who have gone to games there know -- includes a student center and three dorms for upperclass students. So yes, the facility is off Q's main campus, but isn't a standalone arena, since several thousand students live on the York Hill Campus. And Q runs shuttle busses from the main campus to the rink for their students (not to be confused with the shuttle busses Q runs from the York Hill Campus to downtown New Haven for the students who want to go clubbing on weekend nights).

FWIW, Lehigh's sports facilities are all on the other side of a mountain from its campus. They run buses for students on game days.

Jeff Hopkins '82
FWIW, Lehigh's sports facilities are all on the other side of a mountain from its campus. They run buses for students on game days.

Yale's football, soccer, lacrosse, baseball, track, tennis, golf venues are more than a mile from campus. Crew races 10+ miles from campus.

Harvard's hockey rink and football field are in a different town.

Trotsky
Harvard's hockey rink and football field are in a different town.

But it's only a half-mile walk from Harvard Sq. That's a shorter distance than from the North Campus dorms to Lynah.

Augustana is starting off with a bang. Beating Denver and CC in the same weekend. What kind of roster did they build for their first season?

upprdeck
Beating Denver and CC in the same weekend.

On the road.

upprdeck
Augustana is starting off with a bang. Beating Denver and CC in the same weekend. What kind of roster did they build for their first season?

Youngest player is 20; 11 players 23 and older. That's a start.

upprdeck
What kind of roster did they build for their first season?

Wow did they raid the portal!

I count 2 guys from Colgate, Ohio State, and St. Cloud, and 1 from Wisconsin, Bowling Green, UAF, ASU, Clarkson, Niagara, Miami, Providence, Wis-Stevens Point (D3). That's 15 transfers from other NCAA programs.

ugarte

upprdeck
Augustana is starting off with a bang. Beating Denver and CC in the same weekend. What kind of roster did they build for their first season?

Youngest player is 20; 11 players 23 and older. That's a start.

They can play bingo and shuffleboard with Q.

UMD came back to tie Minn the 2nd night. maybe when they get healthy they help us out with some wins.

I know that Cornell last year was among the leaders in the fewest SOG allowed per game. I was thinking about this Friday night when I compared the total SOG in the Cornell-Yale game to the SOG totals in the other ECAC games. Here's the breakdown for the weekend.

Friday night games
Cornell-Yale 43

Q-Dartmouth 70
RPI-Union 63
Colgate-Brown 64
Princeton-Harvard 64
Average for other four games -- 67.5

Saturday night games
Cornell-Brown 49

Q-Harvard 58
Princeton-Dartmouth 69
Union-RPI 52
Colgate-Yale 60
Average for other four games -- 59.8

For the season, we are only allowing 18 SOG per game, so it looks like we once again will be among the leaders in this category. It also helps that Cornell blocks a lot of shots. Against Yale, for example, we blocked 17 shots and Yale only had 20 SOG. This is nothing new for Cornell, of course, but it's still interesting to see. It will also be interesting to see if we can keep the SOG numbers low when we start playing some of the better offensive teams in the conference, which we will be doing over the next few weekends. Last year, for example, we gave up 17 SOG to Q in the first period when we played them in Hamden. In any case, it makes it a lot easier for our goalies to post impressive numbers when they don't have to face a barrage of shots.

Q and BU scoreless after 2 periods in a competitive game

Iceberg
Q and BU scoreless after 2 periods in a competitive game

not anymore, what a game we have going on, 1 vs 2 in the pairwise.

Go Q. You assholes.

Trotsky
Go Q. You assholes.

Our people. BU and Hockey East are now the dark side.

U Mass @ Sucks tied 3-3 with 3 goals scored (2-1) less than 5 minutes into the 2nd period. That is Harvard was up 2-1 after 1.

marty
U Mass @ Sucks tied 3-3 with 3 goals scored (2-1) less than 5 minutes into the 2nd period. That is Harvard was up 2-1 after 1.

U Mass up 6-5 with 12:22 left in the 3rd.

I'll be shocked if the ECAC isn't a two-bid league this year

It would not be "shocking," in my estimation. Q will be an auto bid, either Cornell or Harvard could get into that 9-12 belt, and then the other of them, or somebody else, could take the cheese in Placid.

I'll be shocked if the ECAC is a four-bid league this year.

Iceberg
I'll be shocked if the ECAC isn't a two-bid league this year

Could easily be a one-bid league this year…

Since we've got a few weeks between games, I thought I would share some details from an article (paywall) about the Michigan State hockey team which was published by The Athletic last month, and then reprinted on the front page of Sports Monday in today's NY Times. This part of the article is about Red Savage, a MSU player who was a fourth-round pick of the Detroit Red Wings and whose father had played in the NHL. Based upon this article, it sounds like MSU practices at 11 a.m. during the week, and most players have to take classes later in the day, starting at 3 p.m.

4:17 p.m.: After a 3 p.m. class, Savage has returned to Munn and is standing in his new team’s new room, where his Red Wings are playing the Ottawa Senators in the NHL Global Series.

On his way out, he passes by the team’s shooting room, sauna and steam room, the players’ dry stalls, their video room, a bathroom fully stocked with deodorant, fridges fully stocked with two catered meals a day (breakfast and lunch), hot and cold tubs equipped with underwater cameras and treadmills, and a ping pong room.

“The Euros love ping pong,” he says.

A big routine guy, Savage is normally at the rink from 9-3, off to class and then unplugged afterward with some Fortnite, cooking or football.

Later on, it talks about why he transferred to MSU from Miami.

After battling some nagging injuries, including discomfort left over from shoulder surgery, he was also drawn to reuniting with new head of athletic performance Will Morlock, who he worked with through GVN, the gym at the national program. He calls Morlock a “massive reason” he chose MSU.

“I had a ton of trust in him and just knowing that he can walk me towards what I want to be and where I want my body to be at. The support we have here on that front is … insane. … There’s a new toy in the gym like every week,” he says, talking about two new $50,000 apiece computerized and motorized weightless racks, and the iPads (with personalized plans under each player’s name) and high-speed cameras attached to every station in the gym.

After reading this article, which talks about how their new coach has MSU returning to its glory days, a few things in particular stood out. First of all, it's hard to imagine most of the Cornell players not being able to take morning classes, like apparently is the case at MSU. I also don't know how many of them spend six hours at Lynah on a regular basis. Secondly, there's no way most of the ECAC schools can compete with Big Ten schools when it comes to fancy training facilities. In any case, it made for an interesting read.

dbilmes
Since we've got a few weeks between games, I thought I would share some details from an article (paywall) about the Michigan State hockey team which was published by The Athletic last month, and then reprinted on the front page of Sports Monday in today's NY Times. This part of the article is about Red Savage, a MSU player who was a fourth-round pick of the Detroit Red Wings and whose father had played in the NHL. Based upon this article, it sounds like MSU practices at 11 a.m. during the week, and most players have to take classes later in the day, starting at 3 p.m.

4:17 p.m.: After a 3 p.m. class, Savage has returned to Munn and is standing in his new team’s new room, where his Red Wings are playing the Ottawa Senators in the NHL Global Series.

On his way out, he passes by the team’s shooting room, sauna and steam room, the players’ dry stalls, their video room, a bathroom fully stocked with deodorant, fridges fully stocked with two catered meals a day (breakfast and lunch), hot and cold tubs equipped with underwater cameras and treadmills, and a ping pong room.

“The Euros love ping pong,” he says.

A big routine guy, Savage is normally at the rink from 9-3, off to class and then unplugged afterward with some Fortnite, cooking or football.

Later on, it talks about why he transferred to MSU from Miami.

After battling some nagging injuries, including discomfort left over from shoulder surgery, he was also drawn to reuniting with new head of athletic performance Will Morlock, who he worked with through GVN, the gym at the national program. He calls Morlock a “massive reason” he chose MSU.

“I had a ton of trust in him and just knowing that he can walk me towards what I want to be and where I want my body to be at. The support we have here on that front is … insane. … There’s a new toy in the gym like every week,” he says, talking about two new $50,000 apiece computerized and motorized weightless racks, and the iPads (with personalized plans under each player’s name) and high-speed cameras attached to every station in the gym.

After reading this article, which talks about how their new coach has MSU returning to its glory days, a few things in particular stood out. First of all, it's hard to imagine most of the Cornell players not being able to take morning classes, like apparently is the case at MSU. I also don't know how many of them spend six hours at Lynah on a regular basis. Secondly, there's no way most of the ECAC schools can compete with Big Ten schools when it comes to fancy training facilities. In any case, it made for an interesting read.

Nice find, thanks for sharing

There are some YouTube videos with yours of college hockey facilities. For example, UMass, which provides its players 24-hour access to a rink and gym exclusive to the hockey team:
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Contrast with the Cornell men’s team, which shares its ice with the women’s team, figure skating team, club team, intramurals, and recreational skaters, and which has a couple exclusive bikes and treadmills.

BearLover
There are some YouTube videos with yours of college hockey facilities. For example, UMass, which provides its players 24-hour access to a rink and gym exclusive to the hockey team:
[youtu.be]

Contrast with the Cornell men’s team, which shares its ice with the women’s team, figure skating team, club team, intramurals, and recreational skaters, and which has a couple exclusive bikes and treadmills.

Didn’t they add a weight room in Lynah for just the hockey teams this year? I saw a video on Instagram in which Doug Derraugh gave a quick tour. I think it’s in a former locker room. So they’re at least doing what they can absent a much larger hockey facility.