2023 ECAC Post Season

In the metaverse they may be on sale.

Trotsky
If USCHO is to be believed, Friday 3/17 game times are:

4:00 Colgate vs Quinnipiac
7:30 Cornell vs Harvard

This is what the ECAC site says, note the precision of the state times ( [ecachockey.com] ):

The ECAC
EVENT
2023 ECAC Men's Hockey Championship

LOCATION (SEMIFINALS & FINALS)
1980 Rink - Herb Brooks Arena
2634 Main St.
Lake Placid, NY 12946
518-523-1655
info@orda.org

TICKETS
Tickets for championship weekend are on sale NOW. Fans can purchase tickets online HERE.

TICKET PRICES
All-Session = $70 + $5.23 (processing fees)
Daily = $50 + $4.04 (processing fees)
Student All-Session* = $40 + $2.46 (processing fees)
Student Daily* = $20 + $1.25 (processing fees)

Group tickets are available via box office.

*Students Tickets will be available on campuses for the participating schools for the championship and at a designated student window at the Olympic Center Box Office.

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GAME SCHEDULE
Semifinal 1: Friday, March 17 - 4:02 pm - No. 1 Quinnipiac vs. No. 5 Colgate
Semifinal 2: Friday, March 17 - 7:32 pm - No. 2 Harvard vs. No. 3 Cornell

Championship: Saturday, March 18 (7:30 pm)

not for nothing but I wonder if the team can even practice tomorrow with campus closed. Might not be anyone around to clean the ice surface or turn on the lights.

upprdeck
not for nothing but I wonder if the team can even practice tomorrow with campus closed. Might not be anyone around to clean the ice surface or turn on the lights.

In case anybody else wondered, 9-18 inches, holy shit.

yup.. snow and high winds.. gonna be a nasty day.

Leave tonight, guys...

FYI from Cornell ticket site:

“Cornell fans are encouraged to purchase tickets in Section 3 - which can be accessed by visiting the Lake Placid Olympic Center ticketing site, clicking the lock icon on the top of the screen and entering the access code ‘CORNELL23’”

You also save $10 using the code.

jfeath17
FYI from Cornell ticket site:

“Cornell fans are encouraged to purchase tickets in Section 3 - which can be accessed by visiting the Lake Placid Olympic Center ticketing site, clicking the lock icon on the top of the screen and entering the access code ‘CORNELL23’”

You also save $10 using the code.

That code's not working for me. (shrug) Oh, well.

HeafDog

jfeath17
FYI from Cornell ticket site:

“Cornell fans are encouraged to purchase tickets in Section 3 - which can be accessed by visiting the Lake Placid Olympic Center ticketing site, clicking the lock icon on the top of the screen and entering the access code ‘CORNELL23’”

You also save $10 using the code.

That code's not working for me. (shrug) Oh, well.

When I had purchased tickets on Saturday night there was a field displaying to enter a code that is not the correct place to enter the code. As the post above indicates, there is a small icon near the top of the screen, that on my phone is a white lock on a black background. It is just to the left of the login option. When you click on that you'll bring up a field that accepts CORNELL23 as the code, and you should then have the option of purchasing $60 all session tickets in Section 3. I just tested it shortly before 7:00 PM on 3/16 and it works. Still lots of good seats available in Section 3. (Guessing the last four rows closer to Section 4 is blocked for the band.)

Looks like weather will be fine after all.

If Colgate loses to Q or in the finals, we basically clinch a ncaa bid, right?

Dunc
If Colgate loses to Q or in the finals, we basically clinch a ncaa bid, right?

Yes. I'm not like 100% sure on that, but I'm 99% sure.

Seems to be a lack of excitement about this game today. I understand it's a tall order, but Harvard Sucks and Let's Go Red!

we played quin 6 periods and had 1 bad period
we played Harv 6 periods and had 1 bad period

The interesting thing is the Harv bad period we gave up 3 goals while actually out posessing them and out shooting them 14-8

Zero PP goals vs Harvard on 2 games on only 3 chances.. Need to do something there today

We’re on a playoff revenge tour of teams that beat us during the regular season. Clarkson down, Well get Harvard today and hopefully BU in the NCAAs

Colgate jumps out to a 1-0 lead
BU - PC scoreless after 1

Why is Mo Rocca doing the color commentary for the 'gate-Q semifinal on espn+?

st cloud /denver/ quin/ bu

tonights favs we want to see win.

upprdeck
st cloud /denver/ quin/ bu

tonights favs we want to see win.

I don't think I can hold my nose tightly enough to root for Quinnipiac.

Didnt say it was gonna be easy or fun.

jtwcornell91

upprdeck
st cloud /denver/ quin/ bu

tonights favs we want to see win.

I don't think I can hold my nose tightly enough to root for Quinnipiac.

It's a lighter nose-hold than tomorrow night will be if everything goes poorly today.

Too bad the games werent in the order to make it easier on knowing who to root for..

But who trusts BU to win twice anyway

Misconduct on Brind'amour, 5 minute major for Colgate.

ugarte
Misconduct on Brind'amour, 5 minute major for Colgate.

major killed, brind'amour obvs still gone. Young, who got kneed and had to take a powder, back. Still 1-0 with 2 minutes left in the second.

Don't know how Q didn't score in the last two minutes. They still have about a minute of PP to start the third.

BU - PC still scoreless after 2.

Bu with a great effort tonight 12 shots on goal with 3 min left

QU-Gate goes to OT.
PC up 1-0 with time running out for BU.

Overtime in Placid.

BU just tied PC with 2:32 left in regulation in Boston.

CC scores first against Denver and is up 1-0 late in the second.

imagine if CC and NDak win with BU losing and people would be wishing they rooted for Quin this game.

If Colgate wins today, the NCAA bid could very well come down to them having to lose the ECAC Final, whether it's against us or against Harvard.

But the model said Cornell had a 99.7% chance of making the NCAAs, how could this be happening??????

The announcer for this Colgate Q game just said that Q, Harvard, and Cornell are all in.

So we're doomed, right?

Can’t make this shit up: even the ECAC Hockey tournament announcers think Cornell is a lock to make the tournament. They just said so on the broadcast.

seeding is also an issue.. if teams like ndak get in who knows where we end up of we make it.

Want to avoid Fargo i suspect vs denver/minn?

Q draws an OT penalty and has their worst PP of the year until getting a shot in the waning seconds. End this, Ticks!

BU wins

at least now even if all the bad things happen tonight we still got 2 shots to get in.

2ot.. so at best our game probably starts 8:15-8:30

BearLover
But the model said Cornell had a 99.7% chance of making the NCAAs, how could this be happening??????

110% you'd point that out.

Is this a sophisticated attempt at anti-woofing?

so down goes denver.. they had beaten CC 11 in a row.

I started the afternoon rooting for Colgate but have switched allegiances — go Deerticks!

upprdeck
so down goes denver.. they had beaten CC 11 in a row.

Holy crap is CC on an improbable roll

5 outcomes left that help us.

CC 1-0 over Denver

Another Q penalty in the second OT.

Peretz gives up a rebound for a tap-in and Colgate wins 2-1 in 2OT.

Colgate wins

LGR

BMac
Colgate wins

Deservedly so. I thought they were the better team most of the game, and certainly in the 2nd OT

4 left..

if anyone is posting from LP, can you please let the rest of us know when our game will start? Thanks

does Merrimack - Lowell matter? (other than "it depends on whether you know which one beats BU"

dag14
if anyone is posting from LP, can you please let the rest of us know when our game will start? Thanks

~8:37

this is why you root for Quin.

we had 6 things that could happen to get in after this game we are down to 3 and one requires St cloud to win twice.

jfeath17

dag14
if anyone is posting from LP, can you please let the rest of us know when our game will start? Thanks

~8:37

Thank you!

if we dont get in that means the

2-3-5-6-7 teams all lose this weekend.. that would have been a nice ML parlay.

and if Mich loses to Min its 2-3-4-5-6-7..

Kovich is playing and DeSantis isn't dressed. I'm assuming he was injured last weekend, or in practice during the week.

We look tight so far.

DeSantis is in the [url=

Lines for tonight's nightcap between Harvard and Cornell #ECACHockey pic.twitter.com/XfthBmcGUF

— Josh Seguin (@JoshSeguin24) March 17, 2023

]lineup[/url] as the extra forward.

upprdeck
this is why you root for Quin.

we had 6 things that could happen to get in after this game we are down to 3 and one requires St cloud to win twice.

Yes but isn’t one of them Colgate losing even tomorrow night? If we win tonight but lose to Colgate are we out? Always so hard to know but that one weekend where we lost both a few weeks back could haunt us

Pghas

upprdeck
this is why you root for Quin.

we had 6 things that could happen to get in after this game we are down to 3 and one requires St cloud to win twice.

Yes but isn’t one of them Colgate losing even tomorrow night? If we win tonight but lose to Colgate are we out? Always so hard to know but that one weekend where we lost both a few weeks back could haunt us

Yeah, we'd be out, if BU also loses tomorrow and SCSU doesn't win tonight and tomorrow.

Dafatone

Pghas

upprdeck
this is why you root for Quin.

we had 6 things that could happen to get in after this game we are down to 3 and one requires St cloud to win twice.

Yes but isn’t one of them Colgate losing even tomorrow night? If we win tonight but lose to Colgate are we out? Always so hard to know but that one weekend where we lost both a few weeks back could haunt us

Yeah, we'd be out, if BU also loses tomorrow and SCSU doesn't win tonight and tomorrow.

Last question - should we lose tonight but colgate loses tomorrow are we in?

Pghas

Dafatone

Pghas

upprdeck
this is why you root for Quin.

we had 6 things that could happen to get in after this game we are down to 3 and one requires St cloud to win twice.

Yes but isn’t one of them Colgate losing even tomorrow night? If we win tonight but lose to Colgate are we out? Always so hard to know but that one weekend where we lost both a few weeks back could haunt us

Yeah, we'd be out, if BU also loses tomorrow and SCSU doesn't win tonight and tomorrow.

Last question - should we lose tonight but colgate loses tomorrow are we in?

Yup. I believe we are in unless Colgate wins, BU doesn't win, and SCSU doesn't win.

How does a playoff overtime impact pwr? Half a win?

Go Saint Cloud. Now tied 2-2.

We’re hanging in, but our possession metrics tonight is probably rather scary looking.

Well, shit.

That’s as close as a game gets. They should be proud. Hopefully toothpaste loses and we’re not done this year.

FYI - we move down 1 spot on PWR with this OTL

Edit: I guess we already did from the QPac loss? We are at 13 on PWR after factoring in this game.

We did a nice job all night limiting their skill from taking over the game, but Harvard played a sound defensive game, and we missed the net too often on most of the few good chances we had. Shane was great tonight, but it was just not enough.

It just seems we so rarely have the elite skill guys who can make a great offensive play when we need it. Like, forever. I don’t know if he doesn’t recruit that way or those kids don’t come here because they think we’re the 1995 New Jersey Devils.

Still seems likely we make the tournament anyway and maybe make some noise there. And Lynah sure was a blast last weekend!

Wish Cornell could get the type of talent Harvard has. Schafer did the best he could with the players he has.

So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Is there no consolation game anymore?

ER
Is there no consolation game anymore?

Nope, did away with that probably about 7-8 years ago

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

This absolutely blows. 0-3 vs Harvard on the season and we might lose our tournament bid. Terrible.

scoop85
We did a nice job all night limiting their skill from taking over the game, but Harvard played a sound defensive game, and we missed the net too often on most of the few good chances we had. Shane was great tonight, but it was just not enough.

For my money, this all goes back to losing to SLU and Clarkson late at home. Not being the “home” team is quite a disadvantage.

BearLover

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

I have thoughts on the probabilities, but I'm gonna wait til after tomorrow to share them. Wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing and all.

St. Cloud wins !!!!
Now being reviewed for offside ????

St. Cloud still wins !!!!

I said it before and I’ll say it again, there is a ridiculous talent disparity between Harvard and the rest of the league. Cornell had better hope that a large number of Harvard’s 15 draft picks leave for the pros, and that something happens in the coming years to close the talent gap. This isn’t tenable. Cornell has a solid team and played as well defensively as they reasonable could have, but even though Cornell did its best to contain Harvard’s offense, Harvard’s top two lines were creating changes far more dangerous than anything Cornell could put forth. It felt like a matter of time before Farrell, Coronato, Lafferierre, or any number of other uber-talented players potted the winning goal. If you put Michigan in the CCHA you’d have the same effect.

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies.

we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

love that BU's opponent tomorrow is now in 2OT i hope it goes 6 and ends at 2am

well, despite how much I want to think of the players and graduating seniors in particular getting a chance to play in the NCAA tournament
I think I am just too petty to cheer for Harvard to win, even though Colgate winning would reduce the number of at-large bids available

ugarte
we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

ugarte

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies. .

Game was on the CBS Sports Network, and final will be on there tomorrow.

ugarte

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies.

we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

So Cornell has three shots now, and we’re on the side of the favorite in all of them.

BearLover

ugarte

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies.

we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

So Cornell has three shots now, and we’re on the side of the favorite in all of them.

that's what i said!

ugarte

BearLover

ugarte

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies.

we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

So Cornell has three shots now, and we’re on the side of the favorite in all of them.

that's what i said!

Oh sorry I missed that. Should be an approximately three-in-one-thousand chance we miss the NCAAs by my calculations.

Even if Merrimack loses tomorrow would they even fall behind us after this?

ugarte

jkahn
St. Cloud wins !!!!

wow you were way ahead of the radio stream i was listening to. let's go huskies.

we need any one of three favorites to win tomorrow and i ran some numbers and there's roughly a 99.7% chance it happens.

I like those odds. And 99.7% of eLynah agrees. (We also have 99.7% fewer cavities but I forget why.)

Dafatone

BearLover

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

I have thoughts on the probabilities, but I'm gonna wait til after tomorrow to share them. Wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing and all.

I am not gonna wait. Even if all three games that matter were just toss-ups, the odds of all three going wrong would be .5*.5*.5 = .125 = 12.5%
If you give favorites a 60% chance to win, then the odds of three upsets would be .4 * .4 * .4 = .064 = 6.4%

So, even after all the bad results today, the odds that Cornell makes the tournament are still in the 93.6% to 87.5% range.

I know it might not feel right, but trust the math.

Throwing your hands up and saying that it must be wrong makes me think that you are the guy who loses the bet, not believing that in a room of 40 people, the odds are overwhelming that two have the same birthday. This also feels like it can't possibly be right, but it is.

nshapiro

Dafatone

BearLover

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

I have thoughts on the probabilities, but I'm gonna wait til after tomorrow to share them. Wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing and all.

I am not gonna wait. Even if all three games that matter were just toss-ups, the odds of all three going wrong would be .5*.5*.5 = .125 = 12.5%
If you give favorites a 60% chance to win, then the odds of three upsets would be .4 * .4 * .4 = .064 = 6.4%

So, even after all the bad results today, the odds that Cornell makes the tournament are still in the 93.6% to 87.5% range.

I know it might not feel right, but trust the math.

Throwing your hands up and saying that it must be wrong makes me think that you are the guy who loses the bet, not believing that in a room of 40 people, the odds are overwhelming that two have the same birthday. This also feels like it can't possibly be right, but it is.

Huh? I agree with your odds (for the most part—I think weighting for the favorites is closer than 60/40). I don’t agree with the 99.7% number ever being correct, though. The 99.7% number wasn’t based on 60/40 weighting for favorites. Rather, it was based on completely absurd weighting based on KRACH, which gave Q something like a 90% chance of beating Colgate.

nshapiro

Dafatone

BearLover

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

I have thoughts on the probabilities, but I'm gonna wait til after tomorrow to share them. Wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing and all.

I am not gonna wait. Even if all three games that matter were just toss-ups, the odds of all three going wrong would be .5*.5*.5 = .125 = 12.5%
If you give favorites a 60% chance to win, then the odds of three upsets would be .4 * .4 * .4 = .064 = 6.4%

So, even after all the bad results today, the odds that Cornell makes the tournament are still in the 93.6% to 87.5% range.

I know it might not feel right, but trust the math.

Throwing your hands up and saying that it must be wrong makes me think that you are the guy who loses the bet, not believing that in a room of 40 people, the odds are overwhelming that two have the same birthday. This also feels like it can't possibly be right, but it is.

My thoughts roughly echo yours. Was even gonna say some numbers if every game were a coin flip.

But again, the whatever and the thing.

There are 3 finals that matter tomorrow - CCHA, ECAC and NCHC, unless the 3 underdogs win all three, we are in NCAA

CU2007
There are 3 finals that matter tomorrow - CCHA, ECAC and NCHC, unless the 3 underdogs win all three, we are in NCAA

When was the last time the ECAC had four teams in the tourney?

BearLover

nshapiro

Dafatone

BearLover

ugarte
So we need any one of:

St. Cloud scores in OT and beats CC
Harvard over Colgate - Hey Trotsky where ya at on this?
BU over whoever wins UML/Merrimack

Right?

Right. Harvard and BU will be the favorites, so we have a pretty good shot.

The 99.7% number from the CHN model was a complete joke. I’ll keep harping on it until people stop citing it. It was cited by the Cornell Daily Sun, the ELynah twitter account, the popular “Everything College Hockey” social media account, and the literal commentators of tonight’s game. Publishing this model is doing everyone a disservice. It isn’t calibrated to reality. It isn’t backwards-tested. No one made any attempt to check whether weighting by KRACH yields accurate predictions. But they publish the model anyway and people keep referring to it.

I have thoughts on the probabilities, but I'm gonna wait til after tomorrow to share them. Wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing and all.

I am not gonna wait. Even if all three games that matter were just toss-ups, the odds of all three going wrong would be .5*.5*.5 = .125 = 12.5%
If you give favorites a 60% chance to win, then the odds of three upsets would be .4 * .4 * .4 = .064 = 6.4%

So, even after all the bad results today, the odds that Cornell makes the tournament are still in the 93.6% to 87.5% range.

I know it might not feel right, but trust the math.

Throwing your hands up and saying that it must be wrong makes me think that you are the guy who loses the bet, not believing that in a room of 40 people, the odds are overwhelming that two have the same birthday. This also feels like it can't possibly be right, but it is.

Huh? I agree with your odds (for the most part—I think weighting for the favorites is closer than 60/40). I don’t agree with the 99.7% number ever being correct, though. The 99.7% number wasn’t based on 60/40 weighting for favorites. Rather, it was based on completely absurd weighting based on KRACH, which gave Q something like a 90% chance of beating Colgate.

To add to this, here are the probabilities based on “weighting by KRACH”:
SCSU has a 75% chance of beating CC
BU has a 59% chance of beating Merrimack
Harvard has a 75% chance of beating Colgate

The chances of all three of those things failing is 2.6%, quite a bit lower than the 6.4% or 12.5% from
nshapiro’s numbers.

Again, we see here that, when “weighting by KRACH,” the further apart two teams’ KRACH scores, the more extreme(ly wrong) the probabilities are. As I have previously mentioned, according to this method, Minnesota would beat Dartmouth 97% of the time.

Here’s the thing, though—this discussion shouldn’t even be happening, because the burden on proof isn’t on random laypeople to disprove the methodology. Rather, the burden of proof is on the people publishing these models to show how and why weighting by KRACH yields predictive outcomes. To my knowledge, no one has put forth any argument why these models should be trusted. People just pick whatever random inputs they want, publish a model, and then everyone else eats it right up.

Maybe I am getting too tired, but YATC is now showing Merrimack ahead of us even if they lose, so we might need one of two favorites to win, Hahvahd or St. Cloud, not one of three.

nshapiro
Maybe I am getting too tired, but YATC is now showing Merrimack ahead of us even if they lose, so we might need one of two favorites to win, Hahvahd or St. Cloud, not one of three.

I’m getting Cornell ahead of them when I do it

BearLover

nshapiro
Maybe I am getting too tired, but YATC is now showing Merrimack ahead of us even if they lose, so we might need one of two favorites to win, Hahvahd or St. Cloud, not one of three.

I’m getting Cornell ahead of them when I do it

me too. every possible combination of underdogs except BU and we're still in on USCHO's doohickey.