St. Lawrence at Cornell 2023-02-18

It's past 6:30 and the Nazis are still on WHCU. Boo.

The older Mike gets, the more he sounds like Norm Macdonald. I find this extremely comforting.

I'm pretty sure Brent Brekke just said you gotta lose to learn how to win.

Andreev working hard, O'Leary enthusiastic chaos. Still scoreless, late 1st.

Trotsky
I'm pretty sure Brent Brekke just said you gotta lose to learn how to win.

Tell that to the 1970 team.

They lost to Denver in the 69 final. They learned.

ESPN+ cuts to commercial during the 2003 20th anniversary ceremony.

Committing a penalty after losing your stick is known as an O'Byrne.

Dafatone
Committing a penalty after losing your stick is known as an O'Byrne.

LOL. Reminds me of the sign they put on our penalty box.

"Reserved Dufresne."

Andreev and Tupker with posts tonight. That makes 6 or 7 by us in the last three games.

Am I the only one getting non-stop technical difficulties on ESPN+?

Swampy
Am I the only one getting non-stop technical difficulties on ESPN+?

it's fine for me

Playing well in the third; keep within our game and it will come.

Wallace with a bit of a coming out party tonight. He has been part of a lot of chances, positively.

Nice to hear Hey Bâby with Stephen Bâby in attendance

Still time but we were in control of this game for much of it. Disappointing.

awful weekend

Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

St. Lawrence received very bad reviews at the beginning of the season. Although I am a loyal Cornell fan I can't help but admire how much the Skatin' Saints have improved this season.

We could use a bye week.

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

It's got to be way less than that. We may need to win the next 4 if we don't win the ECAC's. Goinig something like 4-2 the rest of the way won't change our RPI much, and both Hockey East and NCHC could very well have tournament champions who are currently below us.

WTF did I watch tonight. And if this weekend was any indication, I expect the games at Brown and Yale to be dogfights

jkahn

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

It's got to be way less than that. We may need to win the next 4 if we don't win the ECAC's. Goinig something like 4-2 the rest of the way won't change our RPI much, and both Hockey East and NCHC could very well have tournament champions who are currently below us.

Not only that but there are conferences without having any team in the top ten so we are most definitely not safe

I’m in an absolute terrible mood as both the basketball and hockey teams shat all over their playoff hopes. I’m getting real tired of the hockey team having a late season collapse against terrible teams. Now we’re gonna have to win both next weekend and sweep our quarterfinal series to feel decent about our NCAA chances.

We tend to struggle with defensively sound teams that lack firepower more than we do with the most high-powered teams. Both opponents this weekend clogged passing lanes well and didn't give up many odd man rushes.

chimpfood
I’m in an absolute terrible mood as both the basketball and hockey teams shat all over their playoff hopes. I’m getting real tired of the hockey team having a late season collapse against terrible teams. Now we’re gonna have to win both next weekend and sweep our quarterfinal series to feel decent about our NCAA chances.

If it makes you feel any better about our prospects next weekend, Brown will likely still be backstopped by its backup, who isn't exactly tearing it up. Caron is injured. And the much vaunted (by Grady) Bulldog renaissance isn't all that impressive. Union and Quinnipiac both doubled them up on shot attempts, and, well, our possession game is very strong, this weekend's results notwithstanding.

Harvard, meanwhile, has a very tough roadtrip against two hungry teams, one of whom (Clarkson) they never play well against. But surely the masters of BS overtime will prevail.

For the quarters, I'm getting the strong feeling that we'll see Clarkson again. But I'd rather see them than Colgate (can't happen), Yale (Pearson), or Brown (Caron), who have the kind of goalies that can steal games. Honestly, I'm pretty annoyed Cooper Black (Dartmouth) is a freshman, and particularly that he's not our freshman. Dartmouth is going to be a tough out for whomever draws them.

Dafatone
We tend to struggle with defensively sound teams that lack firepower more than we do with the most high-powered teams. Both opponents this weekend clogged passing lanes well and didn't give up many odd man rushes.

We have to play very, very tight until we open up a lead. It's excruciating.

Have you noticed that we always seem to have small goalies? Watching Shane, he just kind of shrinks into the net. We don’t need a 6’6” keeper like Clarkson, but 6’1” would be good. They claim Shane is 6’0”. Lol.

arugula
Have you noticed that we always seem to have small goalies? Watching Shane, he just kind of shrinks into the net. We don’t need a 6’6” keeper like Clarkson, but 6’1” would be good. They claim Shane is 6’0”. Lol.

Don't get me started.

I know everyone (else) loved Andy Iles… But I saw Yale open him up like a bad can of tuna in Atlantic City his freshman year, and I think Schafer playing him for that championship game was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make as a coach. Should've played Garman, who was better statistically and was playing hotter down the stretch. Harvard did the same thing the next year. 2013 happened. And then in 2014, the Union juggernaut ended Iles's time as "the guy."

Yeah, Iles could steal a game every once in a while, but we are not the team for that kind of goalie. Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

Scersk '97

arugula
Have you noticed that we always seem to have small goalies? Watching Shane, he just kind of shrinks into the net. We don’t need a 6’6” keeper like Clarkson, but 6’1” would be good. They claim Shane is 6’0”. Lol.

Don't get me started.

I know everyone (else) loved Andy Iles… But I saw Yale open him up like a bad can of tuna in Atlantic City his freshman year, and I think Schafer playing him for that championship game was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make as a coach. Should've played Garman, who was better statistically and was playing hotter down the stretch. Harvard did the same thing the next year. 2013 happened. And then in 2014, the Union juggernaut ended Iles's time as "the guy."

Yeah, Iles could steal a game every once in a while, but we are not the team for that kind of goalie. Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

In my day we could win a national championship either way, Dryden or Cropper. Of course the team scored a lot more goals, too.

Scersk '97

arugula
Have you noticed that we always seem to have small goalies? Watching Shane, he just kind of shrinks into the net. We don’t need a 6’6” keeper like Clarkson, but 6’1” would be good. They claim Shane is 6’0”. Lol.

Don't get me started.

I know everyone (else) loved Andy Iles… But I saw Yale open him up like a bad can of tuna in Atlantic City his freshman year, and I think Schafer playing him for that championship game was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make as a coach. Should've played Garman, who was better statistically and was playing hotter down the stretch. Harvard did the same thing the next year. 2013 happened. And then in 2014, the Union juggernaut ended Iles's time as "the guy."

Yeah, Iles could steal a game every once in a while, but we are not the team for that kind of goalie. Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

I was never keen on Andy Iles as a player. And I'm saying that as someone who shared a few classes with him for the better part of four years. Easily the least formidable of the goaltenders I've seen since following Cornell hockey

It's 2023 and we're asking, once again, if Andy Iles is the answer.

ugarte
It's 2023 and we're asking, once again, if Andy Iles is the answer.

No, I don’t think I’ll ever get over Macho Grande.

Scersk '97
... Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

For me Scrivens is the best Cornell goalie in the past 20 years.

Scersk '97

arugula
Have you noticed that we always seem to have small goalies? Watching Shane, he just kind of shrinks into the net. We don’t need a 6’6” keeper like Clarkson, but 6’1” would be good. They claim Shane is 6’0”. Lol.

Don't get me started.

I know everyone (else) loved Andy Iles… But I saw Yale open him up like a bad can of tuna in Atlantic City his freshman year, and I think Schafer playing him for that championship game was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make as a coach. Should've played Garman, who was better statistically and was playing hotter down the stretch. Harvard did the same thing the next year. 2013 happened. And then in 2014, the Union juggernaut ended Iles's time as "the guy."

Yeah, Iles could steal a game every once in a while, but we are not the team for that kind of goalie. Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

I hope that's the prevailing wisdom now. Can probably dig up more than one thread here reliving the great Davenport/Scrivens debate.

shafer

Scersk '97
... Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

For me Scrivens is the best Cornell goalie in the past 20 years.

He certainly knew how to have some fun in goal too.

Dafatone
We tend to struggle with defensively sound teams that lack firepower more than we do with the most high-powered teams. Both opponents this weekend clogged passing lanes well and didn't give up many odd man rushes.

St Lawrence also clogged our offensive zone preventing really good looks and second chances. Clarkson forechecked like crazy, reminding me of our Harkness-era teams.

Iceberg

Scersk '97

Don't get me started.

I know everyone (else) loved Andy Iles… But I saw Yale open him up like a bad can of tuna in Atlantic City his freshman year, and I think Schafer playing him for that championship game was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make as a coach. Should've played Garman, who was better statistically and was playing hotter down the stretch. Harvard did the same thing the next year. 2013 happened. And then in 2014, the Union juggernaut ended Iles's time as "the guy."

Yeah, Iles could steal a game every once in a while, but we are not the team for that kind of goalie. Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

I was never keen on Andy Iles as a player. And I'm saying that as someone who shared a few classes with him for the better part of four years. Easily the least formidable of the goaltenders I've seen since following Cornell hockey

I often thought that Iles’ Ithaca roots contributed to Mike’s decision-making.

Does anyone have a list (names) of the 1973 & 2003 players who returned this weekend?

God help me for expecting that they would be introduced, individually, by name... SMH!

shafer

Scersk '97
... Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

For me Scrivens is the best Cornell goalie in the past 20 years.

I think I'd put Galadja at the top and Scrivens second, but I'm not certain.

Scrivens still holds the NHL record for saves in a shutout. Those Edmonton "defenses" didn't do him any favors.

1. Galajda
2. Scrivens
3. McKee

redice
Does anyone have a list (names) of the 1973 & 2003 players who returned this weekend?

God help me for expecting that they would be introduced, individually, by name... SMH!

Yes, but Arthur quite obviously introduced the Saturday crew from '03 The ESPN video didn't pick up anything but a muffle of his voice.

I assume the few that were there from the1973 team were introduced on Friday but that was even less clear as I watched it live.

marty

redice
Does anyone have a list (names) of the 1973 & 2003 players who returned this weekend?

God help me for expecting that they would be introduced, individually, by name... SMH!

Yes, but Arthur quite obviously introduced the Saturday crew from '03 The ESPN video didn't pick up anything but a muffle of his voice.

I assume the few that were there from the1973 team were introduced on Friday but that was even less clear as I watched it live.

The ‘03 team was not introduced individually either. Arthur just briefly mentioned Vesce as the leading scorer and Leneveu’s goaltending accomplishments since both of them were there. I know Moulson and Murray definitely weren’t there.

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

They don't update that matrix in real time. The current model now shows 50%

abmarks

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

They don't update that matrix in real time. The current model now shows 50%

How does the matrix predict the likelihood of future outcomes? For example, let’s say the 10th best team in KRACH plays the 25th best team. The 25th best team is at home. What odds does the model give the 25th best team to win? To my knowledge, there is no complete explanation of this anywhere. In past years, the model has yielded outcomes that are absurd. For example, a few years ago it gave each of several of the top seeds in the ECAC a >95% chance of winning their best-of-three quarterfinal series. That does not comport with the reality of hockey, which includes far too much randomness for the likelihood of a best-of-three series to be that certain. Several other similar absurdities led me to believe the model vastly overrates the likelihood of the higher ranked team winning. Which is to say, Cornell never had a 93% chance of making the NCAAs. That 93% chance was based on Cornell having an extremely high likelihood of beating Clarkson, StL, Yale, Brown, and their quarterfinal opponent.

It is impossible to “disprove” a probabilistic model, but until the publishers of the model put forth a detailed explanation of how the predictions are calculated, I’m going to continue to believe it is unreliable.

sah67

shafer

Scersk '97
... Give me a big brick any day. Like that Scrivens kid.

For me Scrivens is the best Cornell goalie in the past 20 years.

He certainly knew how to have some fun in goal too.

How did I know, before clicking on the link, that that's what it would be?

redice
Does anyone have a list (names) of the 1973 & 2003 players who returned this weekend?

God help me for expecting that they would be introduced, individually, by name... SMH!

I'm sure somebody does, but it's not me.

if someone was to go thru the last 2 games and stop the video as the scoring chances were showing up and ask you how many goals we would score I would think the answer would be like 10+

You could feel it sat as chance after chance nothing went in that they would lose on a simple play that led to a 2 on 1 for a tap in goal..

even the fact we lost 3 in a row with the amount of quality chances and not for a lack of effort or total lack of play on defense..

BearLover

abmarks

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

They don't update that matrix in real time. The current model now shows 50%

How does the matrix predict the likelihood of future outcomes? For example, let’s say the 10th best team in KRACH plays the 25th best team. The 25th best team is at home. What odds does the model give the 25th best team to win? To my knowledge, there is no complete explanation of this anywhere. In past years, the model has yielded outcomes that are absurd. For example, a few years ago it gave each of several of the top seeds in the ECAC a >95% chance of winning their best-of-three quarterfinal series. That does not comport with the reality of hockey, which includes far too much randomness for the likelihood of a best-of-three series to be that certain. Several other similar absurdities led me to believe the model vastly overrates the likelihood of the higher ranked team winning. Which is to say, Cornell never had a 93% chance of making the NCAAs. That 93% chance was based on Cornell having an extremely high likelihood of beating Clarkson, StL, Yale, Brown, and their quarterfinal opponent.

It is impossible to “disprove” a probabilistic model, but until the publishers of the model put forth a detailed explanation of how the predictions are calculated, I’m going to continue to believe it is unreliable.

After further review of the actual www, the replay shows the top of CHNs probability matrix page has the 3xplanation.

These are the results of 20,000 Monte Carlo simulations of the remaining games prior to Selection Day. The winner of each game in the simulation was determined randomly, weighted by KRACH. When that simulation was completed -- playing out the six conference tournaments -- a Pairwise was calculated based upon those results.

The numbers in the chart represent the percentage of times (among the total simulations run) each team placed in that spot in the Pairwise. Note that just placing in the top 16 does not indicate the team made it, due to automatic bids (AQ).

Please see below the chart for more information.

2 minute minor for not bothering to read

10 minute game misconduct for ranting after not bothering to read



Ps, 10 v 25 is hvd vs. UMD. Their respective krach numbers are 215.3 H vs 154.1 UMD. That puts hvd at 58% to win.

Hvd Win probability = 215.3/(215.3+154.1) = 58%

abmarks

BearLover

abmarks

arugula
Down to 15, yet still given 93% chance on chn.

They don't update that matrix in real time. The current model now shows 50%

How does the matrix predict the likelihood of future outcomes? For example, let’s say the 10th best team in KRACH plays the 25th best team. The 25th best team is at home. What odds does the model give the 25th best team to win? To my knowledge, there is no complete explanation of this anywhere. In past years, the model has yielded outcomes that are absurd. For example, a few years ago it gave each of several of the top seeds in the ECAC a >95% chance of winning their best-of-three quarterfinal series. That does not comport with the reality of hockey, which includes far too much randomness for the likelihood of a best-of-three series to be that certain. Several other similar absurdities led me to believe the model vastly overrates the likelihood of the higher ranked team winning. Which is to say, Cornell never had a 93% chance of making the NCAAs. That 93% chance was based on Cornell having an extremely high likelihood of beating Clarkson, StL, Yale, Brown, and their quarterfinal opponent.

It is impossible to “disprove” a probabilistic model, but until the publishers of the model put forth a detailed explanation of how the predictions are calculated, I’m going to continue to believe it is unreliable.

After further review of the actual www, the replay shows the top of CHNs probability matrix page has the 3xplanation.

These are the results of 20,000 Monte Carlo simulations of the remaining games prior to Selection Day. The winner of each game in the simulation was determined randomly, weighted by KRACH. When that simulation was completed -- playing out the six conference tournaments -- a Pairwise was calculated based upon those results.

The numbers in the chart represent the percentage of times (among the total simulations run) each team placed in that spot in the Pairwise. Note that just placing in the top 16 does not indicate the team made it, due to automatic bids (AQ).

Please see below the chart for more information.

2 minute minor for not bothering to read

10 minute game misconduct for ranting after not bothering to read



Ps, 10 v 25 is hvd vs. UMD. Their respective krach numbers are 215.3 H vs 154.1 UMD. That puts hvd at 58% to win.

Hvd Win probability = 215.3/(215.3+154.1) = 58%

I literally wrote my above post immediately after reading the exact web page you’re quoting, because it’s not at all clear what “weighted by KRACH” means. In addition to CHN, there is also the playoffstatus.com website which to my knowledge offers no explanation either.

Also, what you just said is incorrect. Harvard is 14th in KRACH and UMD is 19th. My above post asks about 10th in KRACH vs 25th in KRACH. (Notice that I specifically asked about KRACH because right before posting I read the exact webpage you accused me of not reading.)

But let’s assume for the sake of argument that you’re correct, and your interpretation of “weighted by KRACH” is accurate. In that case, you’ve proven my point that this is an absolutely abysmal way of predicting future outcomes. Let’s say #1 Minnesota plays #60 Dartmouth. Per your formula, that gives Minnesota a 570.9/(570.9+25.7)=96% chance of winning, which is completely absurd.

By the way, per this method, Minnesota’s change of beating Cornell? 78%. This is one of many insane results one derives from abmarks’ interpretation of “weighted by KRACH.” I hope for the sake of the model that this interpretation is NOT true. Repeatedly overweighting the better team’s chance of winning (which has been an obvious problem with these models for years) yields ridiculous outcomes like saying Cornell had a 93% chance of making the NCAA going into last weekend.

Yes, this is what "weighted by KRACH" means, and yes, KRACH greatly overestimates the win probability of the higher-rated team.

how many times do we think Minn would beat Dartmouth if they played 100x.. not 96 for sure. But given OT rules so no ties they probably win 70-80? Given that why would any formula put them at 96%

upprdeck
how many times do we think Minn would beat Dartmouth if they played 100x.. not 96 for sure. But given OT rules so no ties they probably win 70-80? Given that why would any formula put them at 96%

I'd generally be okay with assuming that the best team would beat the worst team 90% or more, though maybe not 96%.

I guess Dartmouth is the 2nd worst ahead of Lindenwood. And this year is a bit of an exception because I think Dartmouth is a good deal better than their record based on goal differential.

CHA's list of Seniors told Muzyka to pound sand. Is he off the roster because he entered the transfer portal for 2024?  He hung on in practice for all four years; too bad.

[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

Trotsky

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

That I pay for NYT and still have an additional paywall for sports is offensive.

2. Sam Malinski, RHD, Cornell-ECAC: Malinski has been a top defenseman in college this season. He has excellent playmaking ability. He makes a lot of difficult passes in the offensive zone and has the ability to run a pro power play with his vision and shot. His skating is solid too and he can create with his skill and feet. Malinski isn’t the biggest defender but he competes well enough that I think he has a shot to be a good pro.

12. Travis Mitchell, LHD, Cornell-ECAC: Mitchell has played a large role for Cornell this season. The senior defenseman and team captain often lined up on both special teams. He’s a big-body defenseman who competes well and could be a solid pro defender. His skating is fine for his size but not a major selling point. Whether he can move pucks versus men will be Mitchell’s main challenge as I wouldn’t call him a natural offensive type.

The Rancor

Trotsky

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

That I pay for NYT and still have an additional paywall for sports is offensive.

Here are two models:

Cable industry: charge all subscribers a fee to cover ESPN and regional sport networks licensing costs. Some watch. A lot don’t.

NYT: Basic subscription for the news/opinion. Add-on model for a well-developed sports writing site, cooking database, games, and shopping review site. All are available a la carte. If you want sports coverage, you can get it without penalizing those that don’t.

Which model is more offensive?

the latest NYT subscription i saw include the athletic.

Any comments on the Malinski and Mitchell rating, as opposed to broad commentary on the state of online journalism? I think it speaks well of Coach that he once again gets undrafted players and gets the best out of them. Both guys, particularly Malinski, have been excellent. I commented last season about how Malinski walks the blue line. NHL level stuff.

RichH

The Rancor

Trotsky

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

That I pay for NYT and still have an additional paywall for sports is offensive.

Here are two models:

Cable industry: charge all subscribers a fee to cover ESPN and regional sport networks licensing costs. Some watch. A lot don’t.

NYT: Basic subscription for the news/opinion. Add-on model for a well-developed sports writing site, cooking database, games, and shopping review site. All are available a la carte. If you want sports coverage, you can get it without penalizing those that don’t.

Which model is more offensive?

ESPN+ when they shut down WRPI free feed and stop WHCU from broadcasting radio PBP of lacrosse and then they....

arugula
Any comments on the Malinski and Mitchell rating, as opposed to broad commentary on the state of online journalism? I think it speaks well of Coach that he once again gets undrafted players and gets the best out of them. Both guys, particularly Malinski, have been excellent. I commented last season about how Malinski walks the blue line. NHL level stuff.

I’m surprised Malinski is listed #2 on this whole article, TBH. He’s great for CU, but this is eye-opening given the other names down further on the list. Anyone know the author and his expertise? Pronman?

arugula

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer.

Stienburg’s missed so many games this year, I wonder if he could get another year of eligibility? I’d really like to see him play healthy for a whole campaign.
.

RichH

arugula
Any comments on the Malinski and Mitchell rating, as opposed to broad commentary on the state of online journalism? I think it speaks well of Coach that he once again gets undrafted players and gets the best out of them. Both guys, particularly Malinski, have been excellent. I commented last season about how Malinski walks the blue line. NHL level stuff.

I’m surprised Malinski is listed #2 on this whole article, TBH. He’s great for CU, but this is eye-opening given the other names down further on the list. Anyone know the author and his expertise? Pronman?

Pronman is the Athletic's specialist for "amateur" levels--college, juniors, Europe. He predicts the draft, etc. So he should know.

RichH

arugula
Any comments on the Malinski and Mitchell rating, as opposed to broad commentary on the state of online journalism? I think it speaks well of Coach that he once again gets undrafted players and gets the best out of them. Both guys, particularly Malinski, have been excellent. I commented last season about how Malinski walks the blue line. NHL level stuff.

I’m surprised Malinski is listed #2 on this whole article, TBH. He’s great for CU, but this is eye-opening given the other names down further on the list. Anyone know the author and his expertise? Pronman?

Pronman and Scott Wheeler are the Athletic's amateur and European hockey experts. I subscribe largely because of their depth of knowledge.

scoop85

RichH

arugula
Any comments on the Malinski and Mitchell rating, as opposed to broad commentary on the state of online journalism? I think it speaks well of Coach that he once again gets undrafted players and gets the best out of them. Both guys, particularly Malinski, have been excellent. I commented last season about how Malinski walks the blue line. NHL level stuff.

I’m surprised Malinski is listed #2 on this whole article, TBH. He’s great for CU, but this is eye-opening given the other names down further on the list. Anyone know the author and his expertise? Pronman?

Pronman and Scott Wheeler are the Athletic's amateur and European hockey experts. I subscribe largely because of their depth of knowledge.

In the article, Pronman does give this caveat:

While I spent many hours on this article, I do not cover the free-agent world as extensively as I do the NHL Draft or drafted NHL prospects. Thus I cannot claim to have a complete, comprehensive scope of the free-agent world. There will be numerous players who sign that I don’t have listed here, but excluding them isn’t necessarily a commentary on the players; I may simply have never gotten around to watching them.

This reminds me of when I was in school, overlapping with Joe Nieuwendyk. My friends and I had no clue of how good he was. After all, the previous stars here-guys like Gary Cullen or Duanne Moeser-put up big numbers and never made a dent in the NHL. How clueless we were in those times where college hockey had virtually zero profile.

Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Ed Marinaro?

The Rancor

Trotsky

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

That I pay for NYT and still have an additional paywall for sports is offensive.

If you subscribe to nyt, that gives you a cess to the athletic as well.

abmarks

The Rancor

Trotsky

arugula
[theathletic.com]

Malinski and Mitchell mentioned as possible NHL level players, Steinburg mentioned as possibly a free agent this summer

Paywall = nope.

That I pay for NYT and still have an additional paywall for sports is offensive.

If you subscribe to nyt, that gives you a cess to the athletic as well.

There is a basic news subscription that doesn’t include The Athletic, Games, Cooking, or Wirecutter.

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Fullan, the same season.

Trotsky

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Fullan, the same season.

Larry Fullan played 4 games for the Washington Capitals during the 1974-75 season.

Brian McCutcheon played 17 games for the Detroit Red Wings that same season.

Not sure which one got there first.

ACM

Trotsky

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Fullan, the same season.

Larry Fullan played 4 games for the Washington Capitals during the 1974-75 season.

Brian McCutcheon played 17 games for the Detroit Red Wings that same season.

Not sure which one got there first.

Thanks, another thing to fix.

On Wednesdays I typically think "cool, only 3 more days to hockey." This morning I caught myself thinking, "shit, only 3 more days to hockey." That weekend left a mark.

There are discounted subscriptions for students and academics. Sometimes if you have a dot-edu email address, you can get it. Other cases, if you're a student when you sign up and maintain the email address past your period of study, you can maintain the subscription.

Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

billhoward
Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

$120 a month to have your conscience assuaged for paying low taxes while people starve seems like an excellent deal.

Trotsky

billhoward
Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

$120 a month to have your conscience assuaged for paying low taxes while people starve seems like an excellent deal.

I'm paying $1 per week for the full ee-subscription

My conscience is bought cheap

Trotsky
On Wednesdays I typically think "cool, only 3 more days to hockey." This morning I caught myself thinking, "shit, only 3 more days to hockey." That weekend left a mark.

Yes that was a painful weekend. Listened to the Saturday game on a flight from the west coast. Flying is so much fun.

Going to the Whale on Saturday with a sense of dread. At least the pizza will be good.

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

As long as Ken Dryden’s name came up —

I recently started reading The 100 Most Notable Cornellians. It includes many highlights of his career through publication in 2003, but surprisingly omits his backstopping our 1970 undefeated team.

Unfortunately, the book only includes undergraduates who eventually got degrees, so excludes, for example, graduate degree holders Toni Morrison and Pearl S. Buck, and undergrads who never received a degree, like Kurt Vonnegut, Michael Schwerner (murdered in Mississippi) and Harry Chapin.

Ken Dryden
and
Ken Dryden 2
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arugula

Trotsky
On Wednesdays I typically think "cool, only 3 more days to hockey." This morning I caught myself thinking, "shit, only 3 more days to hockey." That weekend left a mark.

Yes that was a painful weekend. Listened to the Saturday game on a flight from the west coast. Flying is so much fun.

Going to the Whale on Saturday with a sense of dread. At least the pizza will be good.

I'm bummed but it wasn't a disaster. We weren't our sharpest and still clearly outplayed both teams. And while neither Clarkson nor SLU are fantastic, they're two of the decent-er ECAC teams.

We were bound to drop some games we should have won eventually.

Or maybe I should say it was a disaster, but it doesn't mean we're doomed going forward.

George64

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

As long as Ken Dryden’s name came up —

I recently started reading The 100 Most Notable Cornellians. It includes many highlights of his career through publication in 2003, but surprisingly omits his backstopping our 1970 undefeated team.

Unfortunately, the book only includes undergraduates who eventually got degrees, so excludes, for example, graduate degree holders Toni Morrison and Pearl S. Buck, and undergrads who never received a degree, like Kurt Vonnegut, Michael Schwerner (murdered in Mississippi) and Harry Chapin.

Ken Dryden
and
Ken Dryden 2

Looks like a fun read. That Dryden fact was omitted because he did not play on the the undefeated team. He graduated in 69 with a pretty decent 76-4-1 record. Not too shabby.
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arugula

George64

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

As long as Ken Dryden’s name came up —

I recently started reading The 100 Most Notable Cornellians. It includes many highlights of his career through publication in 2003, but surprisingly omits his backstopping our 1970 undefeated team.

Unfortunately, the book only includes undergraduates who eventually got degrees, so excludes, for example, graduate degree holders Toni Morrison and Pearl S. Buck, and undergrads who never received a degree, like Kurt Vonnegut, Michael Schwerner (murdered in Mississippi) and Harry Chapin.

Ken Dryden
and
Ken Dryden 2

Looks like a fun read. That Dryden fact was omitted because he did not play on the the undefeated team. He graduated in 69 with a pretty decent 76-4-1 record. Not too shabby.
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If the sports betting industry could take bets on how long it would take for someone on this msg board to show they didn’t get a joke, we could endow Lynah Rink by now.

RichH

arugula

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Looks like a fun read. That Dryden fact was omitted because he did not play on the the undefeated team. He graduated in 69 with a pretty decent 76-4-1 record. Not too shabby.

If the sports betting industry could take bets on how long it would take for someone on this msg board to show they didn’t get a joke, we could endow Lynah Rink by now.

Rich, thank you. I forgot to use the sardonic font in my post.

I was at Lake Placid in ‘70, so even at my advanced age, I remember Brian Cropper was the goalie for our undefeated team. I was in grad school for Dryden’s entire tenure at Cornell and was at the Syracuse War Memorial Auditorium in ‘67. BTW, I also saw Dryden skate as a forward in one of his freshman games, against a Junior B team I think. Ned, or rather Pop Harkness, was having some fun.
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Trotsky
1. Galajda
2. Scrivens
3. McKee

Cropper (bc u have to).
Dryden
McKee

Duffus honorable mention bc I was friends with him

nshapiro

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Ed Marinaro?

Does politics work? Reno crushed them all.

arugula

George64

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

As long as Ken Dryden’s name came up —

I recently started reading The 100 Most Notable Cornellians. It includes many highlights of his career through publication in 2003, but surprisingly omits his backstopping our 1970 undefeated team.

Unfortunately, the book only includes undergraduates who eventually got degrees, so excludes, for example, graduate degree holders Toni Morrison and Pearl S. Buck, and undergrads who never received a degree, like Kurt Vonnegut, Michael Schwerner (murdered in Mississippi) and Harry Chapin.

Ken Dryden
and
Ken Dryden 2

Looks like a fun read. That Dryden fact was omitted because he did not play on the the undefeated team. He graduated in 69 with a pretty decent 76-4-1 record. Not too shabby.
.

…….

toddlose

Trotsky
1. Galajda
2. Scrivens
3. McKee

Cropper (bc u have to).
Dryden
McKee

"in the past 20 years."

Trotsky

ACM

Trotsky

David Harding
Who was the next Cornellian to make the NHL after Ken Dryden? Or any pro league?

Fullan, the same season.

Larry Fullan played 4 games for the Washington Capitals during the 1974-75 season.

Brian McCutcheon played 17 games for the Detroit Red Wings that same season.

Not sure which one got there first.

Thanks, another thing to fix.

Mccutcheon was first of the two - he was playing in November. Fullan didn't play his few games until much later in the season for the Caps.

Trotsky

billhoward
Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

$120 a month to have your conscience assuaged for paying low taxes while people starve seems like an excellent deal.

Styles of The Times would say staying thin.

billhoward

Trotsky

billhoward
Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

$120 a month to have your conscience assuaged for paying low taxes while people starve seems like an excellent deal.

Styles of The Times would say staying thin.

When I was in HS (1961-64), students could buy it for 15 cents per school week.

ursusminor

billhoward

Trotsky

billhoward
Apropos of the NYT, the daily newsstand price is $4 as of this month.

$120 a month to have your conscience assuaged for paying low taxes while people starve seems like an excellent deal.

Styles of The Times would say staying thin.

When I was in HS (1961-64), students could buy it for 15 cents per school week.

Living in New England, we subscribe to delivery of only the Sunday Times. The subscription includes complete electronic access to all daily issues of the Times.

Use the money you save by only paying for Sunday deliveries to buy a nice iPad, install the Times app, and spend a few dollars on a decent stylus pen, and you're good to go.

If you really want to be extravagant, put some more of the money you save on daily delivery into a good Zugu case for your iPad and research & buy a decent screen protector.

i wish i lived some place where I could get a paper delivered again

Dropping off our daughter in Ithaca for the new semester. We go to Collegetown Bagels and lo and behold a flock of hockey players are there getting food. My daughter happens to stand next to Shane in line. She is 5’9”. She is the same height as Shane.

arugula
Dropping off our daughter in Ithaca for the new semester. We go to Collegetown Bagels and lo and behold a flock of hockey players are there getting food. My daughter happens to stand next to Shane in line. She is 5’9”. She is the same height as Shane.

This was in response to a much earlier conversation about our history of petite goalies.

arugula
Dropping off our daughter in Ithaca for the new semester. We go to Collegetown Bagels and lo and behold a flock of hockey players are there getting food. My daughter happens to stand next to Shane in line. She is 5’9”. She is the same height as Shane.

He is listed at 6’0 on the Cornell site, 6’0 on elite prospects, 6’1 on hockeydb. For whatever that’s worth.

BearLover

arugula
Dropping off our daughter in Ithaca for the new semester. We go to Collegetown Bagels and lo and behold a flock of hockey players are there getting food. My daughter happens to stand next to Shane in line. She is 5’9”. She is the same height as Shane.

He is listed at 6’0 on the Cornell site, 6’0 on elite prospects, 6’1 on hockeydb. For whatever that’s worth.

Not worth much. I am 6'2.5" I am more than a half a head taller than Ian. Take a look at last season's games with Sucks. Gibson is allegedly 6'1" and watch how he stands in relation to the net as opposed to Ian's relative stature. This goes back to the conversation from February. I like Ian a lot, but drives me crazy that we always have undersized goalies.

arugula
I like Ian a lot, but drives me crazy that we always have undersized goalies.

Quick > big? Maybe? I dunno.

Do big quick goalies go anywhere but CHL?

Gibson, Caron, Perets just last season in the ECAC. Not talking 6’6” but 6’1” or even an actual 6’0”. I trust my eyes and Ian looks noticeably smaller than those three for example.