Recruits 2023 and beyond

Harvard had only 1 recruit drafted, Sean Keohane, in the 6th round. Here's a complete list of NCAA draftees

Cornell will have five incoming freshmen who have been drafted (two in the 3rd round, one in
the 4th, & 2 in the 6th).

When is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?

BearLover
When is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?

Never.

Trotsky

BearLover
When is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?

Never.

I see from tbrw.info that it used to be far more common for players to be drafted after their freshman season rather than prior to matriculating. In 1989, we actually had six players in the entering class who were drafted—but five of them weren’t drafted until their freshman season ended. (Same in 1990, though three of those were “supplemental” draft picks, whatever that means.)

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
When is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?

Never.

I see from tbrw.info that it used to be far more common for players to be drafted after their freshman season rather than prior to matriculating. In 1989, we actually had six players in the entering class who were drafted—but five of them weren’t drafted until their freshman season ended. (Same in 1990, though three of those were “supplemental” draft picks, whatever that means.)

Like I said.

From the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:

Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)

The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.

Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn’t deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.

The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.

Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.

“Little longer trajectory there,” Sweeney said of Walsh. “The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He’s going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there.”

617BigRed
From the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:

Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)

The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.

Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn’t deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.

The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.

Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.

“Little longer trajectory there,” Sweeney said of Walsh. “The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He’s going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there.”

Walsh is an interesting case. He didn’t play junior hockey until this year and was a Brown commit a year ago. Then he exploded in his first year of the USHL, putting up the second most points in the entire league. Despite this, no NHL draft scouting service had him ranked. On the one hand it seemed crazy that the second-leading scorer in the hardest junior league could go undrafted. But on the other hand, it is rare for a player to be passed on twice in the draft and then taken his third year of eligibility. It seemed there would be a higher chance of Pirtle or Robertson getting drafted. Pirtle hasn’t played junior hockey yet but has been highly regarded for awhile now. Robertson has had a very good USHL career and is a puck-moving defenseman, something everybody wants these days. But at the end of the day it was Walsh who got picked.

Don’t care how many nice things Sweeney says about one of our guys, he still Sucks.

BearLover

617BigRed
From the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:

Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)

The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.

Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn’t deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.

The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.

Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.

“Little longer trajectory there,” Sweeney said of Walsh. “The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He’s going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there.”

Walsh is an interesting case. He didn’t play junior hockey until this year and was a Brown commit a year ago. Then he exploded in his first year of the USHL, putting up the second most points in the entire league. Despite this, no NHL draft scouting service had him ranked. On the one hand it seemed crazy that the second-leading scorer in the hardest junior league could go undrafted. But on the other hand, it is rare for a player to be passed on twice in the draft and then taken his third year of eligibility. It seemed there would be a higher chance of Pirtle or Robertson getting drafted. Pirtle hasn’t played junior hockey yet but has been highly regarded for awhile now. Robertson has had a very good USHL career and is a puck-moving defenseman, something everybody wants these days. But at the end of the day it was Walsh who got picked.

I know he was an older kid, but boy did he kill it in the USHL last season.

[www.thestar.com]

underskill
[www.thestar.com]

Four of this school's last five captains have (or will be going to) played for Cornell. That's a good pipeline for us.

dbilmes

underskill
[www.thestar.com]

Four of this school's last five captains have (or will be going to) played for Cornell. That's a good pipeline for us.

And all of them were NHL draftees

Whither Aidan Cobb and Sean Mahoney? '02 Cornell commitments who have now disappeared off the radar. Cobb at least is playing hockey at Cornell -- for the club team.

Wha- happen?

Trotsky
Whither Aidan Cobb and Sean Mahoney? '02 Cornell commitments who have now disappeared off the radar. Cobb at least is playing hockey at Cornell -- for the club team.

Wha- happen?

Just speculation on my part, but I believe Mahoney struggled with injuries, and Cobb never seemed to develop his game after leaving the prep school ranks.

Michael Sandruck. I missed this guy. He announced his commitment in Instagram.

Listed at 6'1" and 205 lbs he should give the forwards good size.

Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

Love your optimism. Which too often is followed by soul-crushing setbacks. I saw my HS team lose the NYS sectional semifinals on a buzzer shot from midcourt. Within 5 years I saw Cornell leading Wisconsin in the NCAA semifinals 5-2 start of the third and lose in OT. And got to see the lax title game vs. Syracuse just a decade ago. I'm not sure I even believe in pragmatic optimism any more. Okay, I thought the basketball team had the chance to lead Kentucky in the early going and it was 12-6 early, then the pragmatic part kicked in.

But thank you.

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

This story says it was William Moore's grandfather who was a Cornell professor, and after some Googling it appears that it's Laurence Moore (emeritus prof. of American Studies).

I get your way of thinking Bill - I generally do the same. I remember that Wisconsin game back in the day - I think Dean Talafous was the Badger who had a big day to mount the comeback against the Red in that game. Add to the list the high stick disallowed goal against UNH in the 2003 Frozen Four. Ugh - that call was big.
Nice find Weder; thanks for passing along that article on William Moore!

Weder

This story says it was William Moore's grandfather who was a Cornell professor, and after some Googling it appears that it's Laurence Moore (emeritus prof. of American Studies).

Same story also says "His mother, Vanusa, is originally from Brazil and owns two restaurants and a catering business. Moore’s father, Patrick, is a Cornell-educated finance broker who grew up in Ithaca, N.Y., where his own father was a professor at Cornell."

So his dad is an alum as well...hopefully that is a strong pull for the kid. And with mom a restauranteur we can hope for a future Hotelie!

Then there's this guy:

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/junior-hockey/practice-got-william-moore-to-carnegie-hall-and-to-the-top-of-the-ohl-draft/article_a5a71e18-eb19-5141-9383-58b4723553b0.html
Matthew Schaefer, D, Halton Hurricanes: Schaefer is certain to be the first defenceman taken and there are scouts who have him No. 1 on their lists. Schaefer captained Team Ontario at the Canada Winter Games, where he scored in double overtime to lead Ontario to the championship over Saskatchewan.

Might this be another top player with a Cornell connection?

Not with that spelling.

Trotsky
Not with that spelling.

His grandparents may have changed their name to get into a country club.

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

Lane committed to Harvard yesterday. Harvard won the first day of recruiting (among all teams in the nation) with three very high-end commitments.

You beat me to it Bear!
Bill Howard - you are a very wise man and 100% correct with the comment "followed by soul-crushing setbacks." Yesterday may not have been soul-crushing but it was not good on the recruiting front. As Bear mentioned one of the guys, Aiden Lane, that I was hoping would commit to Cornell, has instead chosen Harvard. Oh well, his loss and poor choice, not Cornell's concern. Harvard really did well yesterday though as they cleaned up on day 1. Clarkson got a highly regarded prospect and Yale came away with two guys but I'm not sure of their potential. SLU and Dartmouth also picked up a player each as did a bunch of out of conference schools. (This is all through Chris Heisenberg's recruiting website). Not a big issue; Cornell often times isn't in on the first day kids and their are a huge number of exceptional players remaining. Still holding out hope for Cooper Dennis and William Moore!

It could be worse -- a Michigan football fan in the Bo Schembechler era. And memorialized in Big Chill.

Cole Tuminaro - a 6'4", 190 pound offensive defenseman out of Chicago - is Cornell's first 2007 birth year commit.

6' 4"
190
16

Alex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs

[www.eliteprospects.com]

ursusminor
Alex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs

[www.eliteprospects.com]

I don’t recall us ever having a recruit from AOF, which is a long-time prep power (see, e.g., Brian Leetch, Jonathan Quick, Trevor Zegras, etc.)

scoop85

ursusminor
Alex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs

[www.eliteprospects.com]

I don’t recall us ever having a recruit from AOF, which is a long-time prep power (see, e.g., Brian Leetch, Jonathan Quick, Trevor Zegras, etc.)

EDIT: dss28 reminded me recently that Todd Marr was AOF.

CHN ranks Cornell the best freshman class in the ECAC and #10 nationally.

The Big Red has a class that rivals Denver in terms of its top-to-bottom depth, which is impressive with a class of 11 new players.

Jonathan Castagna is one of the top scorers in the class. He had 72 points in 50 games for St. Andrew's College last season and was selected in the third round by Arizona. College hockey is a big jump from Canadian prep hockey, though, so it could take him time to acclimate, and some of the less-heralded forwards could emerge earlier. For example, Boston Bruins pick Ryan Walsh had 79 points for Cedar Rapids (USHL) last season.

Ottawa pick Hoyt Stanley leads the group of new defensemen along with Dallas pick George Fegaras.

Tyler Wishart was traded from Nanaimo to the Merritt Centennials. Currently on IR but expected to debut for them next month.

Justin Katz doesn't appear to be on any roster right now. I wonder what's up with him.

Never mind. He is on the West Kelowna roster now.

scoop85
Justin Katz doesn't appear to be on any roster right now. I wonder what's up with him.

Never mind. He is on the West Kelowna roster now.

He's a Fall '24 entry now.

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

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Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they’re literally from Ithaca.

BearLover, have you watched Cornell’s frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).

CAS
BearLover, have you watched Cornell’s frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).

Yes, they look great so far—been praising them in other threads. But they are not blue-chippers and they were not receiving anywhere near the hype of the three players Redpucks mentioned. Cornell evidently cannot, or chooses not to, compete for the USNTDP kids or similar.

I can understand the desire to get outta dodge and not go to college in your hometown.

BearLover

CAS
BearLover, have you watched Cornell’s frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).

Yes, they look great so far—been praising them in other threads. But they are not blue-chippers and they were not receiving anywhere near the hype of the three players Redpucks mentioned. Cornell evidently cannot, or chooses not to, compete for the USNTDP kids or similar.

The majority -- likely the vast majority -- of blue chippers have neither the ability nor desire to deal with Cornell's academic rigor, even when it is "Cornell."

Harvard is the only Ivy that regularly lands round 1 or 2 draft picks, and Harvard has advantages we lack (Boston, a 24/7 sloppy BJ by sports media, a casually non-judgmental attitude towards cheating).

Given that Cornell has never gotten blue chippahs, even in the days when Ned Harkness was recruiting like Peter Brand with speeddial, it may not be fruitful to imagine we could somehow start doing so.

Also, we have attracted USNTDP players:

Iles, Gartman, Bardreau, Fiegl, Bliss, and the mercurial Clint Lewis.

Iles, the Ithaca native....

Trotsky
Also, we have attracted USNTDP players:

Iles, Gartman, Bardreau, Fiegl, Bliss, and the mercurial Clint Lewis.

Yes. The last USNTDP player matriculated almost ten years ago.

To be clear, the only reason I would have hoped we’d be competitive for this player is the fact he grew up in Ithaca and surely attended Cornell hockey games as a kid. The fact we couldn’t get him despite being one of the top 5-10 programs in the country past few years suggests we aren’t remotely competitive for these kinds of players. I think the academic rigor thing is kind of BS, BTW—getting a 3.0 in AEM isn’t that hard when half the team is taking the same class.

BearLover
I think the academic rigor thing is kind of BS, BTW—getting a 3.0 in AEM isn’t that hard when half the team is taking the same class.

You have to show up for class and remain conscious. For a lot of those guys, that is too tough an ask.

you still have to be able to get into the school.. tons of kids we have wanted cant get accepted and end up elsewhere

I assume it’s more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they’re admitted.

we dont lose many kids once they are into the school. lots of help with that keeping the kid afloat

underskill
I assume it’s more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they’re admitted.

Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.

* _{Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.}

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

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Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they’re literally from Ithaca.

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

Redpucks1!

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

Looks like his grandfather was a Cornell professor and his father is an alum:

[www.thestar.com]

Trotsky

underskill
I assume it’s more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they’re admitted.

Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.

* _{Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.}

Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].

More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:

• Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
• Ann Arbor is further from home
• A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
• USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.

Swampy

Trotsky

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I assume it’s more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they’re admitted.

Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.

* _{Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.}

Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].

More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:

• Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
• Ann Arbor is further from home
• A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
• USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.

While perhaps not quite at Cornell’s level academically, a Michigan undergraduate education is more than “reasonably good.”

Swampy

Trotsky

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I assume it’s more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they’re admitted.

Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.

* _{Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.}

Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].

More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:

• Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
• Ann Arbor is further from home
• A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
• USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.

Cooper Dennis, rather than William Moore, committed to Michigan. Moore is still to my knowledge uncommitted. Both were born in Ithaca. Moore has the family connection to Cornell. Dennis appears to have spent his entire youth in Ithaca, while Moore seems to have moved to Toronto at some point.

Dafatone

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

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Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they’re literally from Ithaca.

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

Felt that way about New Haven.

Al DeFlorio

Dafatone

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

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Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they’re literally from Ithaca.

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

Felt that way about New Haven.

As an potential engineer I think my Mom had brainwashed me - I looked forward to going AWAY to college. I never applied to RPI. (Safety school was Lehigh.)

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).

David Harding

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).

it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from

ugarte

David Harding

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).

it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from

Nailed it.

ugarte

David Harding

I like Ithaca.

If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.

I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).

it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from

Exactly.

You could not have offered me anything to stay in my hometown. Even 5 hours away was really pushing it as too close.

Yup. For me, it was "get me to the other side of the country."

New goalie recruit, Erick Roest from the AJHL. Given that he’s 19 he would seemingly be coming next fall; wonder if this means Justin Katz is no longer Ithaca bound

scoop85
New goalie recruit, Erick Roest from the AJHL. Given that he’s 19 he would seemingly be coming next fall; wonder if this means Justin Katz is no longer Ithaca bound

sounds like erick roest is the one who we got justin katz

Tough room.

Dry den.

update on Tyler Wishart - back from injury and seems to be hitting his stride - 4 points in 2 games over the weekend, primary helper on OT winner, player of the game, and now 7 pts in 8 games. Charlie Major (from Skaneatlas aka Skinny atlas) also having a solid year for the Chicago Steel w 13 points in 18 games.

scoop85
Charlie Major, a 17-year-old forward from up the road in Skaneateles, committed to the Big Red today. He’s currently playing in the U-18 circuit, and has been drafted by the Chicago Steel of the USHL.

Katz still listed as a Cornell commit, so perhaps we're bringing in 2 goalies next year.

Pghas
update on Tyler Wishart - back from injury and seems to be hitting his stride - 4 points in 2 games over the weekend, primary helper on OT winner, player of the game, and now 7 pts in 8 games. Charlie Major (from Skaneatlas aka Skinny atlas) also having a solid year for the Chicago Steel w 13 points in 18 games.

Also worth commenting that Chase Pirtle, with 23 points in 22 games for Nanaimo, is the top scoring 2005 birth year player in the BCHL.

Redpucks1!
You beat me to it Bear!
Bill Howard - you are a very wise man and 100% correct with the comment "followed by soul-crushing setbacks." Yesterday may not have been soul-crushing but it was not good on the recruiting front. As Bear mentioned one of the guys, Aiden Lane, that I was hoping would commit to Cornell, has instead chosen Harvard. Oh well, his loss and poor choice, not Cornell's concern. Harvard really did well yesterday though as they cleaned up on day 1. Clarkson got a highly regarded prospect and Yale came away with two guys but I'm not sure of their potential. SLU and Dartmouth also picked up a player each as did a bunch of out of conference schools. (This is all through Chris Heisenberg's recruiting website). Not a big issue; Cornell often times isn't in on the first day kids and their are a huge number of exceptional players remaining. Still holding out hope for Cooper Dennis and William Moore!

With Lane committing to Harvard and Dennis to Michigan, that leaves Moore, who still isn’t committed anywhere. Which is interesting, because NeutralZone.com ranks him as the #1 prospect among all North American 2007-born players. I’ll go out on a limb and predict he will not be coming to Cornell…

BTW, does anyone have a subscription to Neutral Zone? They apparently rank the top 575 or so North American players by birth year. I‘d be curious to see where our recruits fall on the list.

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

Redpucks1!

Redpucks1!
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:

1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.

2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).

3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.

These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!

Dennis—UMich
Moore—BC
Lane—Harvard

Cornell strikes out with these elite recruits.

Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

Redpucks1!
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

I can’t disagree with any of this. But that doesn’t make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don’t seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he’d STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn’t seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it’s never gonna happen.

I agree with you 100%. I would love to see what Coach could do with some absolute stud recruits, but, as you said, it apparently isn’t going to happen. Thankfully Coach Schafer is dedicated to his alma mater and didn’t seek out other opportunities where he could have competed for championships on equal footing with the hockey factories. It will be a sad day when he retires.

Cornell did have 5 drafted recruits enter last fall, including two 3rd rounders. If Ben Robertson gets drafted later this month, that would give Cornell six drafted players from last year’s freshmen class. We are getting very good recruits.

We are beyond fortunate to have Coach. The best. The two recruits that stuck in my craw are Dustin Brown-from Ithaca, but didn’t go the college route so can’t be too bothered by that and Matty Beniers a double legacy who chooses Harvard and ends up at Michigan due to COVID. That just killed me. Otoh he is from Massachusetts.

Hard to be too upset with Coach's recruiting, though we do seem to be one or two elite players away for getting past that hump. I’m bummed Cornell hasn’t been able to get at least one of the last 2 Ithaca kids who’ve passed through the NTDP, but maybe the next one.

posted in the other thread that I am getting a sense Gio Degiulian might come next year. It's either that or one year of juniors.

I think BU, Michigan, BC and now Harvard have set themselves up as development grounds for NHL bound or NHL hopefuls. Those schools get all the USNTDP kids and most of them stay for 1-2 years and then are off to sign NHL contracts. Cornell not really looking for that. Looking for more success at the NCAA level year in and year out, looking for kids whose goal is to play great college hockey. The superstar NHL bound kids aren't really looking for that and honestly I dont think Cornell is looking for them. On the one hand there's a hump that is tough for us to get over, on the other, we are always near the top of the ECAC, always in the discussion for the tournament and make it a heckuva lot. Cornell is a choice. Its always a lot more involved than just the hockey program.

Redpucks1!
I agree with you 100%. I would love to see what Coach could do with some absolute stud recruits, but, as you said, it apparently isn’t going to happen. Thankfully Coach Schafer is dedicated to his alma mater and didn’t seek out other opportunities where he could have competed for championships on equal footing with the hockey factories. It will be a sad day when he retires.

kinda like what I said above, I would submit not that Schaefer could do better if Cornell drew better players. I think if Cornell jumped the shark and started acting like Ted Donato they would get those players but it's not that kind of program. I think that's really the way it should be.

Pghas
posted in the other thread that I am getting a sense Gio Degiulian might come next year. It's either that or one year of juniors.

I think BU, Michigan, BC and now Harvard have set themselves up as development grounds for NHL bound or NHL hopefuls. Those schools get all the USNTDP kids and most of them stay for 1-2 years and then are off to sign NHL contracts. Cornell not really looking for that. Looking for more success at the NCAA level year in and year out, looking for kids whose goal is to play great college hockey. The superstar NHL bound kids aren't really looking for that and honestly I dont think Cornell is looking for them. On the one hand there's a hump that is tough for us to get over, on the other, we are always near the top of the ECAC, always in the discussion for the tournament and make it a heckuva lot. Cornell is a choice. Its always a lot more involved than just the hockey program.

What Denver does so well is hit big with the 2nd-5th round type kids who turn out to be better than their draft slots. Whether that's good coaching, good luck, or a little of both, I don't know. That being said, this past year they did have both Buium brothers, with the younger Zeev likely a top-10 pick in the upcoming draft, so they do get a blue chipper every year or two.

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

I can’t disagree with any of this. But that doesn’t make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don’t seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he’d STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn’t seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it’s never gonna happen.

We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.

Trotsky

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

I can’t disagree with any of this. But that doesn’t make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don’t seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he’d STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn’t seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it’s never gonna happen.

We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.

Riley committed because his brother was already committed.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

I can’t disagree with any of this. But that doesn’t make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don’t seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he’d STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn’t seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it’s never gonna happen.

We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.

Riley committed because his brother was already committed.

you should start rooting for a school that gives out scholarships. i think you'd genuinely be a lot happier.

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Redpucks1!
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew’s College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, “we’re not looking for the best players, we’re looking for the right ones.” Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren’t likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he’s the best coach in the country. Can’t imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.

I can’t disagree with any of this. But that doesn’t make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don’t seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he’d STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn’t seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it’s never gonna happen.

We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.

Riley committed because his brother was already committed.

you should start rooting for a school that gives out scholarships. i think you'd genuinely be a lot happier.

I’d rather root for the school I actually attended and love

Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.

The Rancor
Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.

Different world back then, too. It wasn't as "I'm taking my talents to South Beach."

The Rancor
Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.

Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.

Swampy

The Rancor
Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.

Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.

Ken Dryden
At Princeton I'm told we'll win the ECAC's with me in net.

Ned Harkness
At Cornell we'll win the NCAA's.

marty

Swampy

The Rancor
Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.

Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.

Ken Dryden
At Princeton I'm told we'll win the ECAC's with me in net.

Ned Harkness
At Cornell we'll win the NCAA's with me resting my folded arms on my stick .