Clarkson Game Thread

ugarte

Trotsky
This is just a shit sandwich to eat right before la petit morte.

this is a public website i don't need to know this much about you

George64
Coach Schafer on Clarkson game - “It was a tough ending – something that's never really happened to our program before. I am responsible for it . . . I failed our team tonight by not having them better prepared for the six-on-five. I thought we did, but I have to take responsibility that we were not detailed enough, so this result rests on my shoulders . . . Our players played hard and unfortunately, it got away . . . We will use it as a lesson, and will make sure we never make the same type of mistakes again."

In this day and age, it’s nice to see someone holding themself accountable. Quit griping, LGR!
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billhoward

George64
Coach Schafer on Clarkson game - “It was a tough ending – something that's never really happened to our program before. I am responsible for it . . . I failed our team tonight by not having them better prepared for the six-on-five. I thought we did, but I have to take responsibility that we were not detailed enough, so this result rests on my shoulders . . . Our players played hard and unfortunately, it got away . . . We will use it as a lesson, and will make sure we never make the same type of mistakes again."

In this day and age, it’s nice to see someone holding themself accountable. Quit griping, LGR!
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Never happened to a Mike Schafer program before. In the memory of boomers who can't let go, there was this: 3/16/73, NCAA Friday semifinal game for the right to play a beatable Denver team, Cornell led Wisconsin 5-2 early in the third and lost in OT, 6-5. Saturday, Wisconsin beat Denver, winner of the Thursday semifinal, 4-2. It was one of the games in Jim Roberts' book Forever Faithful. That would have been Cornell's third title in seven years. We're still working on No. 3.

"It was a tough ending – something that's never really happened to our program before. I am responsible for it," said Mike Schafer '86, the Jay R. Bloom '77 Head Coach of Men's Hockey at Cornell. "I failed our team tonight by not having them better prepared for the six-on-five. I thought we did, but I have to take responsibility that we were not detailed enough, so this result rests on my shoulders."

Weder

dbilmes
If you're wondering why McDonald played both games over the weekend, this is what Schafer said in the official Brandon Thomas writeup after the St. Lawrence game:

Senior Nate McDonald made 19 saves to earn the victory, improving to 5-0 in his first five collegiate starts.

"I thought he did a solid job again tonight," Schafer added. "I thought he was better at controlling his rebounds. He just had a great week of practice. He was just dialed in all week in practice and focused, and I thought he elevated himself this week as a goaltender."

Like many of you, I felt that the bad-angle goal McDonald allowed to lose the shutout started to turn the momentum against us. There was also the icing call against us with about 30 seconds left which should have been waved off, and the strange decision to have the faceoff with 5 seconds remaining in our end instead of at neutral ice. From the Sun article:

After the whistle, Clarkson’s Chris Klack and senior tri-captain Kyle Betts got into it, with Klack delivering a punch to Bett’s helmet and Betts responding by driving Klack to the ice. The two were assessed offsetting roughing penalties.

After a review, the officials placed the puck in Cornell’s defensive zone. The decision seemed to be an incorrect adjudication of Rule 81.2, which stipulates that the puck be placed in the neutral zone following an altercation where the attacking team’s players come below the faceoff circles to get involved – which Clarkson defenseman Noah Beck did when he went to the corner to check out the action.

“We made mistakes, officials made mistakes, and Clarkson capitalized,” Schafer said.

With 4.7 seconds left, if the puck had been placed in the neutral zone Clarkson would have had the impossible task of winning the draw, entering the zone and getting off a shot. But it wasn’t placed in the neutral zone.

Also, we did have a power play in OT and had some good chances, but failed to capitalize. At least if we had scored on that power play we would have avoided the shootout and gotten the extra point. This was the first game this season where I felt we really missed Galajda. Even though it's been documented in his thread how he has given up similar bad-angle goals, it's hard to believe he would have let all four of those goals in during the final few minutes, especially the final one.

I looked at the rule and if you keep reading, it seems that since there were offsetting penalties the faceoff is supposed to be closest to where the play was whistled dead.

“When a violation of a rule has been committed by players of both teams on the play resulting in the stoppage, the ensuing faceoff shall be made at the point where the puck was when the stoppage occurred. If there is a differential in penalties, the faceoff will take place in the defending zone of the team with the additional penalty.”

[www.achahockey.org]

WHAT. A. GAME!!@ClarksonMHockey tie it up with less than two seconds remaining, and win the shootout to take a big 2️⃣ league points at home. Tsekos with the game-tying goal. Kaelble (1-2), and Gosselin (0-3) both with 3️⃣ point nights.#ECACHockey | #LetsGoTech pic.twitter.com/2ECK1opiIC

— ECAC Hockey (@ecachockey) December 5, 2021

upprdeck

Weder

dbilmes
If you're wondering why McDonald played both games over the weekend, this is what Schafer said in the official Brandon Thomas writeup after the St. Lawrence game:

Senior Nate McDonald made 19 saves to earn the victory, improving to 5-0 in his first five collegiate starts.

"I thought he did a solid job again tonight," Schafer added. "I thought he was better at controlling his rebounds. He just had a great week of practice. He was just dialed in all week in practice and focused, and I thought he elevated himself this week as a goaltender."

Like many of you, I felt that the bad-angle goal McDonald allowed to lose the shutout started to turn the momentum against us. There was also the icing call against us with about 30 seconds left which should have been waved off, and the strange decision to have the faceoff with 5 seconds remaining in our end instead of at neutral ice. From the Sun article:

After the whistle, Clarkson’s Chris Klack and senior tri-captain Kyle Betts got into it, with Klack delivering a punch to Bett’s helmet and Betts responding by driving Klack to the ice. The two were assessed offsetting roughing penalties.

After a review, the officials placed the puck in Cornell’s defensive zone. The decision seemed to be an incorrect adjudication of Rule 81.2, which stipulates that the puck be placed in the neutral zone following an altercation where the attacking team’s players come below the faceoff circles to get involved – which Clarkson defenseman Noah Beck did when he went to the corner to check out the action.

“We made mistakes, officials made mistakes, and Clarkson capitalized,” Schafer said.

With 4.7 seconds left, if the puck had been placed in the neutral zone Clarkson would have had the impossible task of winning the draw, entering the zone and getting off a shot. But it wasn’t placed in the neutral zone.

Also, we did have a power play in OT and had some good chances, but failed to capitalize. At least if we had scored on that power play we would have avoided the shootout and gotten the extra point. This was the first game this season where I felt we really missed Galajda. Even though it's been documented in his thread how he has given up similar bad-angle goals, it's hard to believe he would have let all four of those goals in during the final few minutes, especially the final one.

I looked at the rule and if you keep reading, it seems that since there were offsetting penalties the faceoff is supposed to be closest to where the play was whistled dead.

“When a violation of a rule has been committed by players of both teams on the play resulting in the stoppage, the ensuing faceoff shall be made at the point where the puck was when the stoppage occurred. If there is a differential in penalties, the faceoff will take place in the defending zone of the team with the additional penalty.”

[www.achahockey.org]

2 parts of the rule. 1 is where its placed when the 2 who took the penalties.. the other is when the clarkson dude entered the play after it was done from above the endline and that one should have moved it outside the zone.

an entire burrito wrapped in tinfoil

billhoward

an entire burrito wrapped in tinfoil

Not only did Clarkson take away Cornell chem professor / provost / FL vineyard operator Bob Plane (RIP 2018) to be Tech's president (this would be 1980s), now they're claiming to have a hotel school.

cbuckser

billhoward

an entire burrito wrapped in tinfoil

Not only did Clarkson take away Cornell chem professor / provost / FL vineyard operator Bob Plane (RIP 2018) to be Tech's president (this would be 1980s), now they're claiming to have a hotel school.

No rational fan would hurl a burrito at an obnoxious opposing fan unless the burrito tasted so terrible it was best used as a projectile.

cbuckser

billhoward

an entire burrito wrapped in tinfoil

Not only did Clarkson take away Cornell chem professor / provost / FL vineyard operator Bob Plane (RIP 2018) to be Tech's president (this would be 1980s), now they're claiming to have a hotel school.

No rational fan would hurl a burrito at an obnoxious opposing fan unless the burrito tasted so terrible it was best used as a projectile.

Drew2
Hey guys/gals,From a Tech perspective.... I was at the game last night (just got home after a 6 hour ride) I think the game was evenly played, I think your Goalie made some tremendous stops to keep us off the board early, that being said, I was impressed with your team speed, very unlike Big Red of years ago....the game has changed. It was a man's game last night, they were crushing each other, lots of ice baths for both teams.

Personally, I think we have a very good and tenacious forecheck and I think at the end, your boys were gassed, but a hard fought game on both sides.

A GOOD GAME.

By the way, maybe I missed it, but no word of how both bands came together and sang "Sweet Caroline" I loved it!

Stay safe,
Drew

osorojo
USCHO Hockey Guru wrote this headline: "Clarkson stages unreal rally to top Cornell . . ." "top"? New math? Clarkson graduate?

osorojo
USCHO Hockey Guru wrote this headline: "Clarkson stages unreal rally to top Cornell . . ." "top"? New math? Clarkson graduate?

Straight FILTH from Jack Malone. @CornellMHockey take the lead in Potsdam. pic.twitter.com/Lg2oSf8uHI

— ECAC Hockey (@ecachockey) December 5, 2021

jtwcornell91

marty

Iceberg

marty
Was I seeing double before the penalty. Looked like 4 Cornell players on the ice.

It becomes 4x4 after 2 minutes of OT

When you watch the replay the announcer said it was because the players called for roughing at the end of regulation came out at the end of their penalties to make it 4x4.

By that logic if there had been matching minors in regulation with the refs calling for the play to be 5x5 during the penalties then at the end of the penalty time they should come out and play 6x6.

This foolish 3x3 shit is a big turd on shaved ice.

I'm pretty sure the rule is that when a 4x3 power play ends in OT, the penalized player gets back on the ice, and they play 4x4 until the next whistle, when it goes back to 3x3.

marty

jtwcornell91

marty

Iceberg

marty
Was I seeing double before the penalty. Looked like 4 Cornell players on the ice.

It becomes 4x4 after 2 minutes of OT

When you watch the replay the announcer said it was because the players called for roughing at the end of regulation came out at the end of their penalties to make it 4x4.

By that logic if there had been matching minors in regulation with the refs calling for the play to be 5x5 during the penalties then at the end of the penalty time they should come out and play 6x6.

This foolish 3x3 shit is a big turd on shaved ice.

I'm pretty sure the rule is that when a 4x3 power play ends in OT, the penalized player gets back on the ice, and they play 4x4 until the next whistle, when it goes back to 3x3.

Here is the clip showing 3 on 3 overtime play unexpectedly becoming 4 on 4 just before the penalty is called on Clarkson.

jtwcornell91

marty

jtwcornell91

marty

Iceberg

marty
Was I seeing double before the penalty. Looked like 4 Cornell players on the ice.

It becomes 4x4 after 2 minutes of OT

When you watch the replay the announcer said it was because the players called for roughing at the end of regulation came out at the end of their penalties to make it 4x4.

By that logic if there had been matching minors in regulation with the refs calling for the play to be 5x5 during the penalties then at the end of the penalty time they should come out and play 6x6.

This foolish 3x3 shit is a big turd on shaved ice.

I'm pretty sure the rule is that when a 4x3 power play ends in OT, the penalized player gets back on the ice, and they play 4x4 until the next whistle, when it goes back to 3x3.

Here is the clip showing 3 on 3 overtime play unexpectedly becoming 4 on 4 just before the penalty is called on Clarkson.

So I'm guessing what happened is that the matching minors that went on the clock at 19:56 of the third stayed on the clock, and then at 1:56 of the OT, they released so that the 3x3 became 4x4 until the next whistle (which happened to be for the minor on Clarkson). I don't know what the rule says, but it seems like it would make more sense in that situation to take the penalties off the scoreboard and then release both skaters at the first whistle after their penalties ended.

marty

jtwcornell91

marty

jtwcornell91

marty

Iceberg

marty
Was I seeing double before the penalty. Looked like 4 Cornell players on the ice.

It becomes 4x4 after 2 minutes of OT

When you watch the replay the announcer said it was because the players called for roughing at the end of regulation came out at the end of their penalties to make it 4x4.

By that logic if there had been matching minors in regulation with the refs calling for the play to be 5x5 during the penalties then at the end of the penalty time they should come out and play 6x6.

This foolish 3x3 shit is a big turd on shaved ice.

I'm pretty sure the rule is that when a 4x3 power play ends in OT, the penalized player gets back on the ice, and they play 4x4 until the next whistle, when it goes back to 3x3.

Here is the clip showing 3 on 3 overtime play unexpectedly becoming 4 on 4 just before the penalty is called on Clarkson.

So I'm guessing what happened is that the matching minors that went on the clock at 19:56 of the third stayed on the clock, and then at 1:56 of the OT, they released so that the 3x3 became 4x4 until the next whistle (which happened to be for the minor on Clarkson). I don't know what the rule says, but it seems like it would make more sense in that situation to take the penalties off the scoreboard and then release both skaters at the first whistle after their penalties ended.

I agree. If the rules are as we now assume then four players in the box at the end of regulation would have resulted in a 5 on 5 as the penalties expired. But 6 players off for roughing at the end of the 3rd wouldn't have allowed a 6 on 6 when the penalties ended.