Polls

Cornell #15 in USCHO, behind Quinnipiac (8) and Harvard(14) in the ECAC. Seems high but glad to see that maybe others are more optimistic about our kids than we are.

🆕 @USCHO DI Men's Poll 🏒

1. Minnesota State
2. St. Cloud State
3. Michigan
4. Minnesota
5. Minnesota Duluth
6-20: [t.co]#NCAAHockey pic.twitter.com/VlwxcvdiTo

— NCAA Ice Hockey (@NCAAIceHockey) October 11, 2021

USA Hockey from 10/4:

1	St. Cloud State University, 477 (16)	3	2-0-0	2
2	Minnesota State University, 470 (9)	5	2-0-0	2
3	University of Michigan, 452 (6)		2	0-0-0	2
4	University of Minnesota, 391 (3)	4	0-0-0	2
5	University of Minnesota Duluth, 366	6	0-0-0	2
6	University of Massachusetts, 313	1	0-2-0	2
7	University of North Dakota, 292		7	0-0-0	2
8	Boston College, 272			8	0-0-0	2
9	Quinnipiac University, 222		9	0-0-0	2
10	Boston University, 178			10	0-0-0	2
11	Providence College, 134			14	1-0-0	2
12	Harvard University, 100			11	0-0-0	2
13	University of Denver, 99		NR	0-0-0	1
14	University of Wisconsin, 90		12	0-0-0	2
15	University of Nebraska Omaha, 39	NR	1-0-1	1


19	Clarkson
19	Cornell

Final column is "weeks in the top 25."

Dropping 14/18 spots? What'd we do?!

We always slide a bit in a the several weeks the rest of the NC$$ gets a head start.

Trotsky
We always slide a bit in a the several weeks the rest of the NC$$ gets a head start.

"What have you done for me late-ly?! Ooo-oo-oo-ooo-yeah!"

Trotsky
We always slide a bit in a the several weeks the rest of the NC$$ gets a head start.

I'm thinking disappearing for a season didn't help either.

We went from 15 to 13 in USA Hockey.

November 1st, Week Six
Cornell is 14th, was 15th, 63 points. Only Cornall and #9 Harvard (was 14) have played just 2 games. St. Cloud and Minnesota State, both 6-2, remain 1-2. Quinnipiac is 5th.
Poll results: [cdn4.sportngin.com]

USA Hockey
The USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll is conducted each week in conjunction with the American Hockey Coaches Association. The poll includes input from coaches and journalists representing each of the NCAA Division I ice hockey conferences, as well as composite votes from officers of the AHCA and USA Hockey.

Not clear if "input" means they actually vote.

billhoward
Not clear if "input" means they actually vote.

I strongly suspect that a lot of them don't. I suspect "input" means that someone, not necessarily the coach, but someone who is (or may not be) affiliated with the team and who has time for such things sends the vote in.

Years ago, Cornell football got a first-place vote in a Div. I-AA poll. They were undefeated at the time, but still, the coach was quick to point out that it was some staffer, and not himself, who actually voted. I think he was trying not to piss off Cornell's next opponent. (IIRC they lost anyway)

Give My Regards

billhoward
Not clear if "input" means they actually vote.

I strongly suspect that a lot of them don't. I suspect "input" means that someone, not necessarily the coach, but someone who is (or may not be) affiliated with the team and who has time for such things sends the vote in.

Years ago, Cornell football got a first-place vote in a Div. I-AA poll. They were undefeated at the time, but still, the coach was quick to point out that it was some staffer, and not himself, who actually voted. I think he was trying not to piss off Cornell's next opponent. (IIRC they lost anyway)

Not only did Cornell lose that week, they lost the following three weeks to close out the season. Unbeaten Penn was being ranked while unbeaten Cornell was not, so... I'm not convinced that someone other than Hofher cast that ballot.

Al DeFlorio

Give My Regards

billhoward
Not clear if "input" means they actually vote.

I strongly suspect that a lot of them don't. I suspect "input" means that someone, not necessarily the coach, but someone who is (or may not be) affiliated with the team and who has time for such things sends the vote in.

Years ago, Cornell football got a first-place vote in a Div. I-AA poll. They were undefeated at the time, but still, the coach was quick to point out that it was some staffer, and not himself, who actually voted. I think he was trying not to piss off Cornell's next opponent. (IIRC they lost anyway)

Not only did Cornell lose that week, they lost the following three weeks to close out the season. Unbeaten Penn was being ranked while unbeaten Cornell was not, so... I'm not convinced that someone other than Hofher cast that ballot.

Ugh, I remember that season. From undefeated to a losing Ivy record. And that was back when the Cornell football games were all on satellite, and the Cornell Club of Santa Barbara scheduled a viewing party for the Penn game at a sports bar in Santa Barbara, which kicked us off the TV in the 4th quarter so people could watch the start of some jock factory matchup. But didn't do the same thing to the people watching the Harvard-Yale game on the other of the bar's two feeds, because that game was special.

jtwcornell91
Ugh, I remember that season. From undefeated to a losing Ivy record. And that was back when the Cornell football games were all on satellite, and the Cornell Club of Santa Barbara scheduled a viewing party for the Penn game at a sports bar in Santa Barbara, which kicked us off the TV in the 4th quarter so people could watch the start of some jock factory matchup. But didn't do the same thing to the people watching the Harvard-Yale game on the other of the bar's two feeds, because that game was special.

"6 and 0! O and 4. 6 and 0! 0 and 4."

We went up by two in both USHO and USA Today this week!

🆕 @USCHO DI Men's Poll 🏒

1. St. Cloud State
2. Michigan
3. Minnesota State
4. Minnesota Duluth
5. Quinnipiac
6-20: [t.co]#NCAAHockey pic.twitter.com/fVBL1vcdm8

— NCAA Ice Hockey (@NCAAIceHockey) November 8, 2021

?s=20

Dunc
We went up by two in both USHO and USA Today this week!

🆕 @USCHO DI Men's Poll 🏒

1. St. Cloud State
2. Michigan
3. Minnesota State
4. Minnesota Duluth
5. Quinnipiac
6-20: [t.co]#NCAAHockey pic.twitter.com/fVBL1vcdm8

— NCAA Ice Hockey (@NCAAIceHockey) November 8, 2021

?s=20

6 more weekends of going one for two and we'll be ranked Number One.

CREEPING UP

🆕 @USCHO DI Men's Poll 🏒

1. Michigan
2. St. Cloud State
3. Minnesota State
4. Minnesota Duluth
5. Quinnipiac
6-20: [t.co]#NCAAHockey pic.twitter.com/bzm3fJ6HQg

— NCAA Ice Hockey (@NCAAIceHockey) November 15, 2021

?s=21

An 11-goal outburst will impress the voters!

Poll are basically 90% wrong this point in the year, and RPI was abysmally bad this weekend.

We probably should be somewhere lower like where we are on Pairwise. We also haven’t played Quinnipiac, Clarkson, and ND.

That said, the performance has been above expectations so far. This is still among the top half of teams under Schafer era.

ajh258
Poll are basically 90% wrong this point in the year, and RPI was abysmally bad this weekend.

We probably should be somewhere lower like where we are on Pairwise. We also haven’t played Quinnipiac, Clarkson, and ND.

That said, the performance has been above expectations so far. This is still among the top half of teams under Schafer era.

Given that Schafer teams have made the NCAA tourney in over half of his seasons as coach, I would gladly take that.

NDak would really help the PW this yr not much help from Alas/BU/Ariz st

upprdeck
NDak would really help the PW this yr not much help from Alas/BU/Ariz st

Does connectivity still mean anything? If so then that single game v BU might matter in close HE comparisons.

Trotsky

upprdeck
NDak would really help the PW this yr not much help from Alas/BU/Ariz st

Does connectivity still mean anything? If so then that single game v BU might matter in close HE comparisons.

Yep, for Pairwise reasons we want to beat BU and then have them tear through Hockey East

CU2007

Trotsky

upprdeck
NDak would really help the PW this yr not much help from Alas/BU/Ariz st

Does connectivity still mean anything? If so then that single game v BU might matter in close HE comparisons.

Yep, for Pairwise reasons we want to beat BU and then have them tear through Hockey East

As I understand it, the Pairwise tiebreaker is RPI, so unless both head to head AND common opponents add up to enough to beat out RPI, RPI is all that matters.

Which means that unless we play a team head to head, RPI is all that matters. So for all those Hockey East teams we don't play, if we win RPI and lose common opponents, we win.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Dafatone

CU2007

Trotsky

upprdeck
NDak would really help the PW this yr not much help from Alas/BU/Ariz st

Does connectivity still mean anything? If so then that single game v BU might matter in close HE comparisons.

Yep, for Pairwise reasons we want to beat BU and then have them tear through Hockey East

As I understand it, the Pairwise tiebreaker is RPI, so unless both head to head AND common opponents add up to enough to beat out RPI, RPI is all that matters.

Which means that unless we play a team head to head, RPI is all that matters. So for all those Hockey East teams we don't play, if we win RPI and lose common opponents, we win.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Right, I meant the Pairwise rankings which I agree are essentially just an RPI ranking. But our RPI is better if BU does well except against us, right?

A win and an OT win did little for Cornell's poll standings Nov. 22

USCHO/Coaches: Cornell falls from 9 to 10. Notre Dame, winner of 2 from #1 Michigan (in OT, both), jumped from 15 to 8; Western Michigan went from 13 to 7 (swept #2 St. Cloud State); and Nebraska Omaha went from 10 to 9.
[www.uscho.com]

USA Today/Hockey Magazine: Cornel remains at #10.
[www.uscho.com]

billhoward
A win and an OT win did little for Cornell's poll standings Nov. 22

USCHO/Coaches: Cornell falls from 9 to 10. Notre Dame, winner of 2 from #1 Michigan (in OT, both), jumped from 15 to 8; Western Michigan went from 13 to 7 (swept #2 St. Cloud State); and Nebraska Omaha went from 10 to 9.
[www.uscho.com]

USA Today/Hockey Magazine: Cornel remains at #10.
[www.uscho.com]

Our drop in the polls may reflect the impressive showings by ND, WM, and NO more than Cornell's performance. I believe if we had beaten and tied Michigan we would have moved up.

we get our shot at UND. just a split will be good for us.

Hockey polls Monday 11/29/21

Cornell 9 was 9 -- USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll

Cornell 9 was 10 -- USCHO

Cornell is the only one-loss team in the top 20. Cornell is also one of only two schools without double-digit wins (St. Cloud is 9-5, Cornell is 8-1-0)

ECAC teams in the USCHO Top 20: Q , Cornell 9, Harvard 17, Clarkson 19. BU did not receive votes.

[www.ncaa.com]

Is there penalty for failure to succeed any more? Cornell's poll standings are unchanged for 12/5 in wake of the Saturday night collapse:

* 9th in USA Today/Hockey magazine was 9th
* 9th in USCHO was 9th

Quinnipiac meanwhile moves up to #2, behind Minnesota State.
Harvard deservedly loses a couple spots after losing to Brown.
Clarkson deservedly moves up a spot.
[www.ncaa.com]

billhoward
Is there penalty for failure to succeed any more? Cornell's poll standings are unchanged for 12/5 in wake of the Saturday night collapse:

* 9th in USA Today/Hockey magazine was 9th
* 9th in USCHO was 9th

Quinnipiac meanwhile moves up to #2, behind Minnesota State.
Harvard deservedly loses a couple spots after losing to Brown.
Clarkson deservedly moves up a spot.
[www.ncaa.com]

In a vacuum, losing in a shootout (which is a tie as far as out of conference stuff like rankings is concerned) on the road against a ranked team isn't bad. And the rest of NCAA hockey is more used to seeing last-minute comebacks than we are.

I know. There should still be a scarlet letter attached to blowing a 4 goal lead. In some cultures, the leader might turn to seppuku. (n/a to coaching football)

billhoward
I know. There should still be a scarlet letter attached to blowing a 4 goal lead. In some cultures, the leader might turn to seppuku. (n/a to coaching football)

Good idea. Maybe Mike can atone by knifing Archer.

Swampy

billhoward
I know. There should still be a scarlet letter attached to blowing a 4 goal lead. In some cultures, the leader might turn to seppuku. (n/a to coaching football)

Good idea. Maybe Mike can atone by knifing Archer.

Trotsky

Swampy

billhoward
I know. There should still be a scarlet letter attached to blowing a 4 goal lead. In some cultures, the leader might turn to seppuku. (n/a to coaching football)

Good idea. Maybe Mike can atone by knifing Archer.

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The football coach is less competent than the spy. And that's saying something.

Elections have consequences.

 2 Quinnipiac
14 Cornell
19 Harvard

Trotsky
Elections have consequences.

 2 Quinnipiac
14 Cornell
19 Harvard

So do losses.

Cornell back up to 9th in USCHO poll. Knocked NoDak down to 10th.

better goalie play the first 2 games and we might have gone 3-1 pretty easily and who knows where we would be now.

upprdeck
better goalie play the first 2 games and we might have gone 3-1 pretty easily and who knows where we would be now.

Preparing for the Yale-Brown roadtrip, I would hope.

one game this weekend.. i guess we see who starts that game now.. i would almost expect to roll with it after the last 2 efforts.

upprdeck
one game this weekend.. i guess we see who starts that game now.. i would almost expect to roll with it after the last 2 efforts.

Figure it has to be Shane. I wouldn't mind getting Howe some starts. Rest is good, and Howe looked great to start the year.

But for now at least, Shane must be the starter.

could also be a fact that not practicing for real after all this time, he has now improved from the start of the year. the other 2 have been seen quite a bit in game situations,

We get a chance to knock off the newly crowned No. 1 team, Quinnipiac, on Saturday night.

Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Swampy
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Q has 35 shots and a 6-0 lead.

After 2.

Trotsky

Swampy
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Q has 35 shots and a 6-0 lead.

After 2.

Now 7-0, with 7 different goal scorers.

Robb

Trotsky

Swampy
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Q has 35 shots and a 6-0 lead.

After 2.

Now 7-0, with 7 different goal scorers.

They're gonna be exhausted...

I don’t know if the bottom rung of the ECAC has ever been weaker.

Trotsky

Robb

Trotsky

Swampy
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Q has 35 shots and a 6-0 lead.

After 2.

Now 7-0, with 7 different goal scorers.

They're gonna be exhausted...

from high-fives?

scoop85
I don’t know if the bottom rung of the ECAC has ever been weaker.

1989 called.

Not to speak of...

Robb

Trotsky

Swampy
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.

Q has 35 shots and a 6-0 lead.

After 2.

Now 7-0, with 7 different goal scorers.

Final: 9 by 9. 17 different point scorers. Every skater with a positive +/- (16 of them at least +2).

Goals against Quinnipiac in conference games this year:

0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
1
0

Quinnipiac has outscored the opposition 38-2 in its last eight games, six of which were against ECAC teams and two against LIU.

dbilmes
Quinnipiac has outscored the opposition 38-2 in its last eight games, six of which were against ECAC teams and two against LIU.

Watched about ten minutes second half of first period. Princeton never was able to set up in the offensive zone. Was like watching late 60s Cornell teams. Q outshot Nodak 36-19 in Q's only loss.

dbilmes
Quinnipiac has outscored the opposition 38-2 in its last eight games, six of which were against ECAC teams and two against LIU.

But they didn't play Cornell in that streak!!! Things will change for them on Saturday!

So much for Newton's third law. Quinnipac drops 1 place in both polls to #1, but there's no equal and opposite reaction for Cornell, flat at 8th in USCHO, down one to 9th in USA Today/Coaches poll

USA Today/USA Hockey - January 24, 2022
1.  Minnesota State was 2
2.  Quinnipiac 1
3.  WMU
4.  Michigan
5.  Denver
6.  St. Cloud
7   UMD
8.  UMass
9.  Cornell (was 8th)
Also got votes: No other ECAC team. 
Link: [www.uscho.com]

USCHO
1.  Minnesota State
2.  Q was 1
...
8.  Cornell (8)
Also got: Clarkson, Harvard 
Link: [www.uscho.com]

the way things are playing out we would end up #1 and not make the ncaa cause our PWR is so bad. If harv or clark stumble we dont play a team in the top 25 until we play Quin again.

PWR guys are already playing what-if. We're the three-seed, going to Allentown.

Evan Marinofsky, NCAA bracket predictions 1/24/22
The more interesting matchup [than 1-overall Minnesota State vs. AIC] is Minnesota Duluth and Cornell. It can be argued that no team was hurt more by the 2019-20 COVID-19 shutdown than Cornell.
[www.ncaa.com]

Q would go to Worcester. That's it for the ECAC.

The other sites are Albany and Loveland, Colorado. I think the NCAA knows Cornell no matter what the seed has to be within driving distance of Ithaca to help the gate. Allentown is 3-1/2 hours from Ithaca, 2 hours from Manhattan.

oh if only things open up by then and we make it that far..

upprdeck
oh if only things open up by then and we make it that far..

If we don't make it that far, the lone ECAC rep would be Quinni-PEE-yack, as we heard on the Saturday broadcast. Clarkson could be Golden Knights and Q could be Golden Showers. Unless that's the secret name of a Harvard Finals Club.

Harvard and Clarkson aren't in the top 20. Currently.

upprdeck
the way things are playing out we would end up #1 and not make the ncaa cause our PWR is so bad.

Honestly I don't care; never have. Maybe because I was an 80s fan, for me the ECAC is always what matters. The NC$$ is dessert and if we advance, great, if not, whatevs.

Win in Placid. Every year. That is the goal. The rest takes cares of itself.

Trotsky
Win in Placid. Every year. That is the goal. The rest takes cares of itself.

Which has been rebranded to a 200x85 rink. If only Douglas Murray had that.

billhoward

Trotsky
Win in Placid. Every year. That is the goal. The rest takes cares of itself.

Which has been rebranded to a 200x85 rink. If only Douglas Murray had that.

Or Sasha.

Slipping from 11th to 16th in one poll, DCU/USCHO. [www.uscho.com]

Weren't we like 9-1-1 at one point? Sheesh

billhoward
Slipping from 11th to 16th in one poll, DCU/USCHO. [www.uscho.com]

Weren't we like 9-1-1 at one point? Sheesh

6-1-4, which some referred to as 9-1-1.

If somebody saw 9-1-1, they should've picked up the phone and said, Mike, get help.

i can't believe we're still getting votes

billhoward
Slipping from 11th to 16th in one poll, DCU/USCHO. [www.uscho.com]

Weren't we like 9-1-1 at one point? Sheesh

We're not the only big-name team struggling. With its Beanpot loss last night,BC is now on a 10-game winless streak (0-9-1). And their long-time coach, Jerry York, was Coach of the Year last year.

Cornell in the polls week of 2/14/22 [collegehockeyinc.com]

USCHO 18 was 16 (3 spots back of Clarkson)

USAToday 1 vote received, not in the top 15, last of three Others Receiving Votes.

Pretty depressing. Cornell not in the top ten as of 2-22-22. Barely inside the top 20 for the poll that goes 20 teams deep, and still one place behind Clarkson (but way ahead of Harvard, an also ran). The other poll has us as an also-mention, just behind Harvard. Qunnipiac has slipped to fifth. See it here: [www.ncaa.com]

I also like to tell myself, the team barely in the top 20 that nobody in the top ten would like to play has to be Cornell. Every year, it brings some solace.

I guess being 5-0 against the teams we played in the polls means there is an upside. to get he ncaas we probably need to go 7-1 or 8-0 though.

upprdeck
I guess being 5-0 against the teams we played in the polls means there is an upside. to get he ncaas we probably need to go 7-1 or 8-0 though.

Harvard, Clarkson, Quinnipiac; pick any 2.

At this point I think there is an exactly equal chance we'll lose the QF as win in Placid.

the way the team is playing better chance of beating 2 of them than playing 2 lower teams and winning 2 games

USCHO poll Feb. 28 has Cornell 18 --> 17 (swapping with Clarkson). Also Quinnipiac 6th (-1) with 1 first place vote, Harvard also-receiving votes. Top Teams are Minnesota State, Minnesota, Denver, ND (Dakota not Dame), Michigan.
[collegehockeyinc.com]

CHN’s pairwise probability matrix has been posted. As usual, it assigns higher-ranked teams too high a chance of winning and lower-ranked teams too low a chance. And as usual, I will waste everyone’s time complaining about this. This year I will keep it short and instead highlight a few examples to illustrate the aforementioned issue: the matrix gives Q a 54% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. That is to say, they are more likely to win it than the entire rest of the field combined. The matrix also gives Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, and Princeton a combined 0.0% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. Not even a 0.1% chance—they quite literally have a 0.0% chance of winning the tournament. Collectively, the bottom 8 seeds have a 2.1% chance of winning the ECAC tournament, according to the matrix.

EDIT: BTW, the matrix gives Cornell a 10% chance to win the ECAC tourney and a 0% chance at an at-large bid.

BearLover
CHN’s pairwise probability matrix has been posted. As usual, it assigns higher-ranked teams too high a chance of winning and lower-ranked teams too low a chance. And as usual, I will waste everyone’s time complaining about this. This year I will keep it short and instead highlight a few examples to illustrate the aforementioned issue: the matrix gives Q a 54% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. That is to say, they are more likely to win it than the entire rest of the field combined. The matrix also gives Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, and Princeton a combined 0.0% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. Not even a 0.1% chance—they quite literally have a 0.0% chance of winning the tournament. Collectively, the bottom 8 seeds have a 2.1% chance of winning the ECAC tournament, according to the matrix.

EDIT: BTW, the matrix gives Cornell a 10% chance to win the ECAC tourney and a 0% chance at an at-large bid.

Importantly*, they give us a 0.0% chance at an at-large bid. The teams below us all have this field blank. I think this means our chances at an at-large bid are greater than zero but round down to 0.0%.

BearLover
The matrix also gives Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, and Princeton a combined 0.0% chance of winning the ECAC tournament.

Have them run an analysis where low-ranking BYDP makes the title game and opponent equals Cornell. Odds would change in a heartbeat. Or have we gotten that losing-to-the-losers syndrome behind us?

Dafatone

BearLover
CHN’s pairwise probability matrix has been posted. As usual, it assigns higher-ranked teams too high a chance of winning and lower-ranked teams too low a chance. And as usual, I will waste everyone’s time complaining about this. This year I will keep it short and instead highlight a few examples to illustrate the aforementioned issue: the matrix gives Q a 54% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. That is to say, they are more likely to win it than the entire rest of the field combined. The matrix also gives Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, and Princeton a combined 0.0% chance of winning the ECAC tournament. Not even a 0.1% chance—they quite literally have a 0.0% chance of winning the tournament. Collectively, the bottom 8 seeds have a 2.1% chance of winning the ECAC tournament, according to the matrix.

EDIT: BTW, the matrix gives Cornell a 10% chance to win the ECAC tourney and a 0% chance at an at-large bid.

Importantly*, they give us a 0.0% chance at an at-large bid. The teams below us all have this field blank. I think this means our chances at an at-large bid are greater than zero but round down to 0.0%.

Challenge accepted!

running numbers on just the known games over the next 7days or so in the matrix its hard to get Cornell much above the 17-19 range..
the issue is so many teams to jump this late.

We can beat Quin in the Tourney and flip 1 PWR, had we not screwed up the first Clark game would could have flipped that one as well.

but you have Conn/Merri/Prov/BU/Mass Low/NE all ahead of us hard to jump and entire league since they will play each other.. You need mass to beat one of them and then have BC/UNH/maine knock off a couple too. But jumping them all only gets you to 14-16 range..

its why the PWR hurts we beat Quin/Clark/BU all h2h but we dont own the PWR over any of them.

So you're telling me there's a chance!?

Knocking on the door at 21.

Give Princeton a vote, cowards!

9-10 Ariz st is getting votes?

a couple more weeks off and we can make it in.

For what it's worth, the ECAC not doing well in KRATCH rankings. Q is ranked No. 2, while Harvard is 19 and Cornell 22. Dartmouth and Yale are two worst teams in the country.

Sisyphus is rolling, again.

18 in USCHO, 17 is USA.

What criteria are used to construct college hockey rankings, and which ranking system has most successfully predicted the winners of contests between ranked teams?

osorojo
What criteria are used to construct college hockey rankings, and which ranking system has most successfully predicted the winners of contests between ranked teams?

Google PWR, RPICH, KRACH, and PEBCAK.

Trotsky

osorojo
What criteria are used to construct college hockey rankings, and which ranking system has most successfully predicted the winners of contests between ranked teams?

Google PWR, RPICH, KRACH, and PEBCAK.

There's some (slightly old, like pre-weird-OT-and-shootout-system) discussion at [elynah.com]

Is PEBCAK a new rating system, or did you just tell him to google GOATSE?

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrahhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

if we get a system better at predicting outcomes let me know.. I have some money to spend.

Climb every mountain, ford every stream. 15.

Q 1, Harvard 9.
BU 7.

Which rating system has most accurately predicted D-1 college hockey game winners so far this season?

osorojo
Which rating system has most accurately predicted D-1 college hockey game winners so far this season?

Rankings/ratings/polls are not meant to predict future outcomes, ergo no one tracks how predictive they are.

osorojo
Which rating system has most accurately predicted D-1 college hockey game winners so far this season?

Planning a flyer on DraftKings?

14 in USA.

osorojo
Which rating system has most accurately predicted D-1 college hockey game winners so far this season?

Your mom.

If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

osorojo
If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

As I wrote on the prior page, the intent of “current rating systems” is not to predict the outcomes of hockey games.

osorojo
If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

If by rating we mean PWR, RPICH, KRACH, the intent is to measure teams' relative prior performance to assess where they should be ranked for NC$$ selection. NC$$ hockey has a problem: there are tight sets with extremely good relative rankings (the conferences) but then only loose bounds between the sets, making relative ranking of members of different sets difficult. Metrics like PWR are an attempt to normalize all members against a common baseline. They are similar to the sabermetrics that attempt to adjust for differences in ballpark effects or era effects in MLB.

But those assessments only imply potential predictive likelihoods of future events. One would assume a team ranked higher in the metric will, on balance, beat a team ranked lower over a sufficiently large sample, but particularly in single elimination playoffs you get one data point, so at best you are talking about a probability function. There is also not great confidence that prior results will predict future outcomes because team composition changes with injuries, and teams themselves tend to become better (or worse) as the season goes on.

It's the littany of reasons why social science correlation coefficients tend to be a lot lower than natural science. It's the nature of working with humans and not leptons, and of complex systems rather than simple machines.

osorojo
If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

I tried this. It doesn't work very well.

Swampy

osorojo
If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

I tried this. It doesn't work very well.

Red beartrap?

Swampy: I'll let you borrow MY Aunt Beulah for a couple of predictions, you lucky dog. Don't worry about kickback from cranky posters. They aren't any better at predicting hockey game winners than my Aunt Beulah. [Maybe that's why they're so cranky?]

OK, I'm convinced. Somebody has put an AI/ML project here to pass the Turing Test.

It's the Townhall cadence and Ben Garrison humoriness that gave it away.