Incoming Recruits
Gracie had George.ugarte
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Trotsky
Gracie had George.ugarte
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
And then there's Fenneman.
Trotsky
Gracie had George.ugarte
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Gracie had George.ugarte
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
How many days did you say it is before the season starts?
Swampy
Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Gracie had George.ugarte
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
How many days did you say it is before the season starts?
Too damn many.
It would be easier if one's MLB team were in contention.
Trotsky
Per Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy. Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting.
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny’s kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
I'm okay with that because he might not be good enough. Beniers OTOH is a projected early pick.scoop85
Trotsky
Per Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy. Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting.
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny’s kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
He's from Hingham so hopefully the parents just have Boston Disease. His other choice was BC.
Trotsky
I'm okay with that because he might not be good enough. Beniers OTOH is a projected early pick.scoop85
Trotsky
Per Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy. Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting.
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny’s kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
He's from Hingham so hopefully the parents just have Boston Disease. His other choice was BC.
The Manderville kid was a pretty decent recruit, although certainly nowhere near the recruit Beniers is. Too bad we couldn’t leverage the double legacy in his case.
scoop85
New forward recruit from the BCHL. McIntyre's scoring at about a point per game pace this season.
He's gonna need to add some bulk.
Trotsky
Gonna turn 19 in less than a month, if he needs another year to bulk up he would graduate as a 24 1/2-year old.
I didn't mean he should take a year off. I was just suggesting he's kind of "light" at 5'10" / 160.
Ah. Yes, I agree with you.Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Gonna turn 19 in less than a month, if he needs another year to bulk up he would graduate as a 24 1/2-year old.
I didn't mean he should take a year off. I was just suggesting he's kind of "light" at 5'10" / 160.
Excited to announce my commitment to play D1 hockey at Cornell. Special thanks to my friends, family and teammates for everything. Can’t wait to get started #Bigred pic.twitter.com/vGny1D1eYf
— Joe Howe (@_JoeHowe34) November 12, 2019
BCHL goalie originally from Ontario. 5-12 with a 3.69 GAA and .903 save% in 20 games for the Victoria Grizzlies.
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scoop85
A little more info about Howe. He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
Trotsky
scoop85
A little more info about Howe. He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
Howe previously played for Upper Canada College (which I believe is actually a prep school), where Colin Greening came from. So some additional Cornell pedigree there.
Bruce Pattison,'69 also came to Cornell from Upper Canada College.scoop85
Trotsky
scoop85
A little more info about Howe. He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
Howe previously played for Upper Canada College (which I believe is actually a prep school), where Colin Greening came from. So some additional Cornell pedigree there.
Jeff Kahn '70 '72
Trotsky
Barrie sounds familiar. I'll do a query tonight; wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of our guys came from there.
I think Mike Quinn and Gary Meager may have been from Barrie. Neither played a great number of varsity games. The bar was high to advance from the freshman team in the spring of 1971 to THE team in the fall.
I imagine NCAA recruiters had to BS all the prospective freshman that they would make it.
Author!
marty
Author!
Most of the players are veterans of the Canadian Junior B league (only Goodkind and Straight are Americans)' where offensive checking is legal.
Huh? When did offensive checking become legal in the NC$$? Or was this just a Frosh team rule?
SSS comments on the frosh:
Malone: perfectly cromulent with a flash now and then
Tupker 14: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Tupker 21: already battling Motley for the 19th skater role
Stienburg: very sharp and skilled, could be a star
Berard: I didn't notice him much but hey no big mistakes
Muzyka: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Dirven: invisible; that's a good thing for a freshman D
Mitchell: Always seems to be in the right place
Malinski: back-to-back ECAC ROTW!
Dirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.Trotsky
Carrying over from Tom's post on the Yale thread, I love seeing Malinski on the pp as a freshman. He looks absolutely comfortable out there -- part of the phenomenal freshman class. As a veteran observer of the program told me last weekend: "we replaced three solid senior defensemen with freshmen and I don't notice the difference."
SSS comments on the frosh:
Malone: perfectly cromulent with a flash now and then
Tupker 14: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Tupker 21: already battling Motley for the 19th skater role
Stienburg: very sharp and skilled, could be a star
Berard: I didn't notice him much but hey no big mistakes
Muzyka: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Dirven: invisible; that's a good thing for a freshman D
Mitchell: Always seems to be in the right place
Malinski: back-to-back ECAC ROTW!
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It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.ugarte
Dirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
I don't even mean it in a Bobby Shore old-time-hockey way, I just mean when I see him, it's mostly because he's working for possession.Trotsky
It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.ugarte
Dirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
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ugarte
I don't even mean it in a Bobby Shore old-time-hockey way, I just mean when I see him, it's mostly because he's working for possession.Trotsky
It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.ugarte
Dirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
I understood that. They are the guys who won't leave the boards or the corner as long as the opponent has possession. I love those guys, too. IIRC Greening was great at it, so it isn't mutually exclusive of talent. Mullin is great at it. It's really hard work.
Mike lives for that shit, so if Dirven's doing it he's going to log quality time.
Not just a frosh rule, there was no body checking in the offensive zone in NCAA hockey when I was in school. Nevertheless, Ned's teams were awesome, aggressive forechecking teams, but it was like a full court press - no body hits but we were totally on top of the other team's attempts to get the puck out of their D zone. In a conversation I had one time with Giles Threadgold, the best ref in my era, he stated that John Hughes was the best forechecker he had ever seen in college hockey.Trotsky
marty
Author!
Most of the players are veterans of the Canadian Junior B league (only Goodkind and Straight are Americans)' where offensive checking is legal.
Huh? When did offensive checking become legal in the NC$$? Or was this just a Frosh team rule?
Jeff Kahn '70 '72
Yes. You could draw a penalty for "checking in the offensive zone."Trotsky
So you could tie up the stick but not F=ma a guy? Like women's hockey now?
Al DeFlorio '65
What was the rationale for just the O zone? Less chance of injury backchecking than forechecking?Al DeFlorio
Yes. You could draw a penalty for "checking in the offensive zone."Trotsky
So you could tie up the stick but not F=ma a guy? Like women's hockey now?
marty
Trotsky
Barrie sounds familiar. I'll do a query tonight; wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of our guys came from there.
I think Mike Quinn and Gary Meager may have been from Barrie. Neither played a great number of varsity games. The bar was high to advance from the freshman team in the spring of 1971 to THE team in the fall.
I imagine NCAA recruiters had to BS all the prospective freshman that they would make it.
Author!
From Barrie (that I have):
Andy Craig (87), Stewart Smith (89), George Swan (69).
I have neither Quinn nor Meager in my records. Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Trotsky
I have neither Quinn or Meager in my records. Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
I don't know of any connection.
MeagherTrotsky
Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Al DeFlorio '65
Oh.Al DeFlorio
MeagherTrotsky
Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
As you were.
Trotsky
Oh.Al DeFlorio
MeagherTrotsky
Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
As you were.
Before this goes any further off track, see the attached rosters from the varsity vs. freshmen game of Nov. 1970.
There is no Gary "Meagher". There is a Gary Meger. I haven't been able to find a freshman team roster listing hometowns, so I have no idea where he was from.
The Nanaimo Clippers (remember them?), announced yesterday that Jack O'Brian, the youngest member of the team, has committed to Cornell for the 2022-2023 season.
Here are some excerpts from the announcement:
Darren Naylor, Vice President and Head Coach of the Clippers
Jack is a throwback type defenceman whose first objective is to take care of his own end. He is extremely calm and rarely makes a poor decision. Jack is a natural leader and mature beyond his years. This is a first of what will be many accolades for Jack moving forward including a future high NHL draft pick.
and
ROOKIE 2003 DEFENCEMAN JACK O’BRIEN COMMITS TO CORNELL UNIVERSITY
As a 16 year old, O’Brien is the youngest Clipper this season yet he has been a mainstay on a Clippers’ defence core that currently has allowed the 2nd fewest goals against in the BCHL. He has taken on a defensive role and has shown incredible poise and maturity that one would expect from a 19-20 year-old veteran defenceman.
That's right.scoop85
I believe it's Jack Lagerstrom who's been injured, not Suda
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he’ll be coming to Ithaca next season.
scoop85
New recruit with the cool name of Sullivan Mack, a smallish (5’11” 180 lb) but speedy forward who’s scoring at an almost 2 ppg clip at Kimball Union Academy. I can’t seem to post Neutral Zone’s tweet about the commitment, but NZ says Mack has moved from 3.25 stars to a “high” 3.75 star rating, and that he’s a “High compete player w/a high ceiling.”
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he’ll be coming to Ithaca next season.
Is his nickname SMack? If not, it should be.
scoop85
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he’ll be coming to Ithaca next season.
We then would have 4 F / 2 D slated to replace 3 F / 1 D (Bauld, Malott, I don't wanna think about it, and Kaldis):
F Cobb (3/02)
D Lagerstrom (3/00)
F Mack (7/00)
F O'Leary (3/00)
F Penney (10/00)
D Rayhill (3/01)
Unless we're really going to 18 F (+6) and 10 D (+4) that suggests to me that Lagerstrom is still hurt and/or Cobb will get a year of seasoning in the USHL.
Trotsky
scoop85
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he’ll be coming to Ithaca next season.
We then would have 4 F / 2 D slated to replace 3 F / 1 D (Bauld, Malott, I don't wanna think about it, and Kaldis):
F Cobb (3/02)
D Lagerstrom (3/00)
F Mack (7/00)
F O'Leary (3/00)
F Penney (10/00)
D Rayhill (3/01)
Unless we're really going to 18 F (+6) and 10 D (+4) that suggests to me that Lagerstrom is still hurt and/or Cobb will get a year of seasoning in the USHL.
Yeah, I too think Cobb may well be going the USHL/BCHL route
Trotsky
By my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
ursusminor
Trotsky
By my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
Yes, I can run that tonight. I have queries for states, provinces, and countries all set up but I can only access the back end DB from home.
Proud to announce my commitment to play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. Thank you to everyone who has helped me get to this point! #BigRed pic.twitter.com/Wmh0psPUc0
— Tim Rego (@Tim_Rego98) January 29, 2020
ursusminor
Proud to announce my commitment to play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. Thank you to everyone who has helped me get to this point! #BigRed pic.twitter.com/Wmh0psPUc0
— Tim Rego (@Tim_Rego98) January 29, 2020
Several sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
"If a player won't go in the corners, he might as well take up checkers."
-Ned Harkness
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...redice
Several sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
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ugarte
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...redice
Several sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Looks like we're getting another Kaldis/Malinsky type D-man, which will be nice with Yanni graduating.
19-33-52 in 46 GP for Brooks; leading D scorer on his team by a huge margin. 2nd among D scoring in the entire league. The #1 guy (Michael Benning) is a Denver commit.
We seem to be getting high quality as well as quantity. And that is how it's done.
ursusminor
Trotsky
By my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
States:
CA
CO
CT
DE
DC
FL
IL
MD
MA
MI
MN
MO
NH
NJ
NY
NC
ND
OH
OR
PA
RI
TX
UT
WI
Provinces:
AB
BC
MB
NB
NF
NW
NS
ON
PQ
SA
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
ursusminor
Interesting list, Trotsky. Who was from the Northwest Territories?
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Joe Dragon.
abmarks
ursusminor
Interesting list, Trotsky. Who was from the Northwest Territories?
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Joe Dragon.
Yes, the stories that I remember hearing about Joe's home were: A: He lived 1000 miles north of Edmonton and B: He lived so far from campus that he couldn't go home for Christmas and get back before break ended. WOW!!
ursusminor
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Yes, it's officially QC, Others:
NW Territories is NT
Newfoundland is NL (Newfoundland and Labrador)
Saskatchewan is SK.
And I'm surprised that we've never had someone from PEI.
Anybody who doesn't like it is welcome to build their own site.
Trotsky
I keep PQ because I like it. Likewise, NDak will always be the Sioux and Colgate will always be the Red Raiders.
Anybody who doesn't like it is welcome to build their own site.
And Lehigh will always be the Engineers.
So there!
Weder
I'm surprised we've never had a player from Vermont
Depends on your definition of "player from" ...
Geoff Raynak, from Franklin, VT, was a backup goalie on the 92-93 team. Never played, but was definitely on the roster.
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scoop85
New recruit with the cool name of Sullivan Mack, a smallish (5’11” 180 lb) but speedy forward who’s scoring at an almost 2 ppg clip at Kimball Union Academy. I can’t seem to post Neutral Zone’s tweet about the commitment, but NZ says Mack has moved from 3.25 stars to a “high” 3.75 star rating, and that he’s a “High compete player w/a high ceiling.”
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he’ll be coming to Ithaca next season.
Looking at the roster it appears he has a younger brother named Revelin.
From the NE Hockey Journal:
Mack's commitment to the Big Red ends one of the most hotly contested recruiting battles of the prep season. The Anchorage, Alaska, native was being procured by several top programs, including Denver and Michigan. There was known Ivy interest with Cornell and Harvard.
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he’d likely never play.
Was Raynak's sister on the women's team? I think I remember her more than him.Robb
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he’d likely never play.
Geoff lives in Bend, now. Lucky bastard.
20 years later and it looks like getting Kanji ice time on senior night is an improvement to the policyRobb
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he’d likely never play.
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ugarte
20 years later and it looks like getting Kanji ice time on senior night is an improvement to the policy
Kanji was one of the incorrect answers to one of the scoreboard quiz questions last week. I'm not certain, but I think the question may have been who was the last player to wear the number 1 before it was retired.
ugarte
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...redice
Several sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Wonder if someone whispered in Mallott's ear. [ajhl.ca]
THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE
OF THE ALBERTA JUNIOR HOCKEY LEAGUE
Tim Rego Commits to Cornell University
January 29th, 2020 @ 12:00 am
BROOKS, AB (January 29, 2020) - The Brooks Bandits of the Alberta Junior Hockey League (AJHL) are thrilled to announce that 2000-born defenceman Tim Rego has committed to Cornell University.
The Mansfield, Massachusetts native leads all Bandit defenceman in points with 52 (19 goals, 33 assists) in 46 games played. At 6'0” 180lb the blue liner is 2nd in the AJHL defenceman scoring race and leads all defenders with 19 goals.
Located in Ithaca, New York, the Cornell Big Red compete in the ECAC, under head coach Mike Schafer. Rego is the second Bandit in franchise history to commit to Cornell joining current Big Red captain, Jeff Malott.
Prior to joining the Bandits, Rego skated with Williston Northampton School where he was team captain and led all defensemen in scoring with 24 points (13 goals, 11 assists) in 27 games.
Extremely honoured and excited to announce my commitment to play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. I’d like to thank my family, friends, teammates, and coaches for helping me get to this point. #bigred @CUBigRedHockey pic.twitter.com/H7221htTVh
— Kyler (@KylerKovich) February 21, 2020
ursusminor
Extremely honoured and excited to announce my commitment to play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. I’d like to thank my family, friends, teammates, and coaches for helping me get to this point. #bigred @CUBigRedHockey pic.twitter.com/H7221htTVh
— Kyler (@KylerKovich) February 21, 2020
6'1", 187 lb forward from Nanaimo
DOB 2002
Current stats: 49 GMS, 17G 21A, 41 PIM.
The Nanaimo webpage has him as a 2021-2022 arrival.
But for perspective, Gretzky had a 378-139-517 season in 85 GP.
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LW Kyler Kovich
Nanaimo, BCHL | 6’0, 180 | 1/31/02 | NCAA: Undecided
Kovich easily was one of the more impressive forwards throughout the game. He was physical with an in-your-face style, but he also looked very smooth with the puck in transition while showing off soft hands. Kovich spent most of the match on Team West’s top line with Danny Weight and Carter Savoie, but Kovich was far from a passenger. He’s a very good skater who made well-timed reads that helped him get an extra step or two on puck-gazing opponents. Although he played alongside several dependable puck handlers, Kovich confidently carried the puck through the zone and made smart plays near the line. His vision, timing of pass delivery, and pass accuracy were impressive as well.
BMac
Don’t leave us hanging! Who was it? Chabot?
Troy Davenport.
pfibiger
From this review of the CJHL Top Prospects Game:
[www.thedraftanalyst.com]
LW Kyler Kovich
Nanaimo, BCHL | 6’0, 180 | 1/31/02 | NCAA: Undecided
Kovich easily was one of the more impressive forwards throughout the game. He was physical with an in-your-face style, but he also looked very smooth with the puck in transition while showing off soft hands. Kovich spent most of the match on Team West’s top line with Danny Weight and Carter Savoie, but Kovich was far from a passenger. He’s a very good skater who made well-timed reads that helped him get an extra step or two on puck-gazing opponents. Although he played alongside several dependable puck handlers, Kovich confidently carried the puck through the zone and made smart plays near the line. His vision, timing of pass delivery, and pass accuracy were impressive as well.
Based on the public info Kovich seems like the kind of recruit that will fit right in with our style of play and be an early contributor.
BearLover
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
The staff has done a terrific job the past few yers identifying talented players who fit well with the high tempo system the coaches have installed, and who can get through admissions. While there’s no guarantees of course, it’s nice to be able to enjoy current success while keeping an eye to a future that continues to look bright.
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.BearLover
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
Trotsky
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.BearLover
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
I was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coachSwampy
Trotsky
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.BearLover
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
nshapiro
I was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coachSwampy
Trotsky
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.BearLover
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
I'm not sure your statement and Swampy's items 1 & 2 are mutually exclusive. After all, it's a coach's decision who to recruit.
nshapiro
I was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coach
I am coming around to the idea that Donato 2020 is the new and improved coach that he wasn't when he began. (I think he earned his undergrad A's.)
Or not?
Whew! A league that has 4/7 in the top ten ain't chopped liver. Quint noticed how much better we are this year on faceoffs. But our work is cut out for us in our league.
MEA CULPA: SOMEHOW I POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG FORUM!
Swampy
Quint Kessenich has 4 Ivies in the top ten this week. We're #7, behind Yale (#1) & Princeton (#5), and ahead of Penn (#9).
Whew! A league that has 4/7 in the top ten ain't chopped liver. Quint noticed how much better we are this year on faceoffs. But our work is cut out for us in our league.
Our hockey prospectives will be so encouraged by this success elsewhere in our athletic department that we'll get all the top recruits.
03/23/02: Maine 4, Harvard 3
03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
03/26/05: UNH 3, Harvard 2
03/25/06: Maine 6, Harvard 1
Nice to see that not only can he score, but he plays a 200 foot game. Should fit right in!
scoop85
Sullivan Mack named Prep Player of the Year by Neutral Zone
Nice to see that not only can he score, but he plays a 200 foot game. Should fit right in!
I played around on the Neutral Zone webpage to find out about Mack's school, Kimball Academy. It seems they have an assistant coach named...Matt Underhill!
Oh sweet Jesus, there's another Fusco coming to Bright.
Trotsky
Oh sweet Jesus, there's another Fusco coming to Bright.
Yeah, I saw that, too.
Makes it easier to know who to despise, tho.
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