RPI 0 @ Cornell 4 (FINAL) - Game 2, 3/14/09

Safety Sieve!

Lange is in net for RPI.

York must have had a 43 shot limit.

Where is Joe Devin?

Is that "you can't do that!" for icing? Funny.

Joe Devin has an undisclosed injury.

Is it possible, with all the penalties tonight, that NONE OF THEM have been on Burgdoerfer???

lynah80
Joe Devin has an undisclosed injury.

Suffered during the 2/20 game against RPI.

Thanks Lynah80, there are a couple of players that should not be playing if Joe where healthy. I love Cornell but some of these guys play scared

Northeastern just went up 2-0 on UMASS.

Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Dan Nichols going off for hitting from behind.

I think just a 2 minute call.

Which just turned into a 4 v. 4.

Davenport spun down, now 4 on 4.

Just as I was about to say "Kill, Red, Kill", RPI did it for me.

And we're going up a man, thanks to another RPI penalty.

Appert pissed as RIP gets called for charging Scrivens.

Very nice Cornell EA setup on the delayed penalty.

Now 4 on 4.

I wonder, how much time has been played 5 v. 5?

TimV
Scoreboard says total shots are 43-8. Wasn't it 18-5 at halftime???

And we're whipping them in the third half, too!

Mugford called for slashing. Gets a second penalty with a parting push in the face (hitting after the whistle). Stupid.

edit: Jillson will serve Mugford's second minor

4 on 4

5 guys in the boxes now. When Schafer talks, the league listens.

Gallagher hauled down on the face off. Had a lot of trouble getting off the ice. I hope he is okay.

marty
Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Play has been very poor in the third period.

Cornell now 5 on 3.

Gallagher goes back to the locker room.

Princeton now trails 4-2 with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd.

SLU(t)s up 5-3.

marty

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Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Yale up 2-0 on their way to Albany with one minute left. And the Bulldog announcers are patting themselves on their broadcasting backs.

And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

peterg

TimV
Scoreboard says total shots are 43-8. Wasn't it 18-5 at halftime???

And we're whipping them in the third half, too!

HA! FMP

marty
And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

Sir, I challenge you to... fisticuffs!

Greening tripped. RPI is hauling down everyone.

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Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Yale up 2-0 on their way to Albany with one minute left. And the Bulldog announcers are patting themselves on their broadcasting backs.

And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

And RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

What is that pink thing on the far boards just to the left of the visitor's penalty box? It looks like a... a...

These refs can't possibly think they're calling a good game, can they?

marty

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Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Yale up 2-0 on their way to Albany with one minute left. And the Bulldog announcers are patting themselves on their broadcasting backs.

And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

And RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

Yale wins 2-0 and Onion up by 5-2!

RPI looks defeated.

Big Red goes 5 on 3 again.

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Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Yale up 2-0 on their way to Albany with one minute left. And the Bulldog announcers are patting themselves on their broadcasting backs.

And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

And RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

I'm only listening, but I've got to imagine they have a point to some degree, with 20+ penalties called in the game. Unless there's a brawl on the ice, it seems unnecessary.

Wow, bench minor too. This is a lot like the '95 QF at Clarkson, when we spent the whole third period of game 2 in the box.

RPI looks clueless, giving up 5 on 3's. Cornell looks tired.

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Shots are 38-16 Princeton over Union even though Union leads 4-1.

Shots now 44-20 with a little over 5 minutes left and Union up 4-2. Let's Go Dutch.

Yale up 2-0 on their way to Albany with one minute left. And the Bulldog announcers are patting themselves on their broadcasting backs.

And now a bit of fist-a-cuffs at the Whale.

And RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

Yale wins 2-0 and Onion up by 5-2!

Onion forces game three on Sunday.

lynah80
RPI looks clueless.

Let's hope they stay that way tomorrow.

Another More RPI penaltyies.

A few seconds2 minutes with a 5 v.3 and 2 chances to improve our 1/15 PP.

Greening!!

Now 2/16. and a 5 v. 4

More 5 on 3.

"apparently contact to the head is not allowed in tonight's game"

Uhh...is it ever allowed?

Greening!

Greening from Ross. Aypical PP unit.

Davenport's 1st point of the year!

Thank God - power play now 2 for 17.

lynah80
RPI looks clueless, giving up 5 on 3's. Cornell looks tired.

Let's hope momentarily tired. Worn-out-after-playing-three-games is not the best way to roll into Albany.

Whew.

a 5 min slashing penalty on RPI with 4 seconds left in the game. Most appropriate for this game.

Good Job Red!!

RPI has lost their way...

UMASS just scored to pull within 1 goal, ~ 14 minutes left in the 3rd.

other coach to have when your hockey team just won.

marty
RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

This is a little unfair. I think they were complaining that nobody can enjoy a game where play is stopped so often by the officials (with an unspoken caveat that the winning team will find it enjoyable anyway).

I found that they were pretty levelheaded about the whole thing. I didn't hear them complain that any particular penalty call wasn't justified, though they found the game was called unusually tight in general.

ugarte

marty
RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

This is a little unfair. I think they were complaining that nobody can enjoy a game where play is stopped so often by the officials (with an unspoken caveat that the winning team will find it enjoyable anyway).

I found that they were pretty levelheaded about the whole thing. I didn't hear them complain that any particular penalty call wasn't justified, though they found the game was called unusually tight in general.

I only wish it had been St. Lawrence.

I missed it. where was Schafer tonight?

also, the team may have looked "tired" at the end, because with a 3 goal lead, and on the PP most of the third period, they didn't have to give it their all. also, more play time for players like Ross, Punches, etc.

RPI was thoroughly defeated and they looked like a really bush league team tonight. They were incapable of staying out of the penalty box: slashing, hooking, roughing, hitting after the whistle, whatever. Let's hope that no one was seriously hurt (on either team). The mood in the hotel for RPI tonight will be grim and hopefully, they will be thinking a lot about the long wait for 2009-2010.

Power Plays:

Cornell: 2 for 18
RPI: 0 for 8

Shots:

Cornell: 56
RPI: 9

Shutout for Scrivens. He didn't have to stand on his head, but he has to feel a lot better than he did last night.

Robin
I missed it. where was Schafer tonight?

also, the team may have looked "tired" at the end, because with a 3 goal lead, and on the PP most of the third period, they didn't have to give it their all. also, more play time for players like Ross, Punches, etc.

Suspended for his comments last night about the officiating.

BC upset UNH 1-0. UMass Lowell upset Vermont 4-2. UNH and Vermont are eliminated from the Hockey East playoffs. The losses will help Cornell in the Pairwise.

Robin
I missed it. where was Schafer tonight?/quote]
Schafer got suspended for criticizing the officiating in last night's game. He got his wish - a different pair of refs who called everything. (Oh, and a win.)

KeithK

Robin
I missed it. where was Schafer tonight?

Schafer got suspended for criticizing the officiating in last night's game. He got his wish - a different pair of refs who called everything. (Oh, and a win.)

I think the ECAC had to suspend Schafer because of what he said. But also, they probably watched the game and decided he was right.

Wisc 3-1 in 3rd (v. MSU).

UMD beating CC in 3rd,

Denver v. Anchorage tied at 2.

Sorry, I didn't catch the North Dakota score. I am at the age where I can barely remember team/scores for 2 games (and remember Pi to two numbers past the decimal point ).

All I can say is, poor Arthur. He has to certify the official score.

Rita
Wisc 3-1 in 3rd (v. MSU).

UMD beating CC in 3rd,

Denver v. Anchorage tied at 2.

Sorry, I didn't catch the North Dakota score. I am at the age where I can barely remember team/scores for 2 games (and remember Pi to two numbers past the decimal point ).

That's only 2 fewer than there are.

Trotsky
Is that "you can't do that!" for icing? Funny.

Answering late, after just getting back from the game and reading through everything. But no, the "You can't do that" was in response to one of the refs (I think it was Murphy) retrieving Lange's stick for him. And as luck would have it, based on how quickly play came back into the RPI end, it's not clear that Lange would have been able to retrieve it himself. I was shocked. I'm pretty sure I've never seen that before. It seems to me that a goalie losing his stick is part of the game, and that having to weigh the option of leaving the net to retrieve it versus playing without it is also part of the game. I don't understand how a ref could essentially change the game by retrieving it for him.

Anyone that knows something about officiating care to comment? Dpperk, perhaps?

ugarte

marty
RIP announcers complaining that they can't enjoy a game with their team in the box.

This is a little unfair. I think they were complaining that nobody can enjoy a game where play is stopped so often by the officials (with an unspoken caveat that the winning team will find it enjoyable anyway).

I found that they were pretty levelheaded about the whole thing. I didn't hear them complain that any particular penalty call wasn't justified, though they found the game was called unusually tight in general.

I agree - I was listening to two games, reading the message board, checking the Onion game tracker and doing the WSJ crossword. It was hard to make a fair comment. I was just enjoying their pain and at the same time I was being somewhat of a pain, myself.

It was Kotyra that got the stick. Almost positive refs can't do that. I know a player can't pick up another stick and hand it off. I've seen refs and linesmen pick up sticks and hold onto them until stoppages, but I've never seen an official hand a stick to a player or goalie.

CowbellGuy
It was Kotyra that got the stick. Almost positive refs can't do that. I know a player can't pick up another stick and hand it off. I've seen refs and linesmen pick up sticks and hold onto them until stoppages, but I've never seen an official hand a stick to a player or goalie.

THe only time they can do this is in a rec league.

MAJOR breach IMO.

Frankly, I found the officials to be too friendly with RPI players. We saw on linesman (Asst Ref?) patting an RPI player on the backside near the RPI bench. Lots of friendly chatter better the officals & RPI players. Add in the goalie stick thing and it looks bad for the on-ice officials.

RPI fans could easily counter that I should look at the number of penalties called on their team. Clearly no favoritism there.

the penalty calls were even until the last 9 min when cleary RPI just started tackling/holding/tripping anything that moved. at that pt in a 3-0 game does it really matter

CowbellGuy
It was Kotyra that got the stick. Almost positive refs can't do that. I know a player can't pick up another stick and hand it off. I've seen refs and linesmen pick up sticks and hold onto them until stoppages, but I've never seen an official hand a stick to a player or goalie.

Rule 3-1-e
e. A player or goalkeeper shall not participate in play while in possession
of more than one stick, except that a penalty shall not be assessed
to a player who is struck accidentally by the puck while carrying a
replacement stick to a teammate (see 6-4-c).

Rule 6-4-c (also quoted elsewhere in the thread)
b. A goalkeeper may continue to play with a broken stick until a stoppage
of play or until the goalkeeper legally has been provided with a stick.
c. A player whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the
ice from any part of the rink but must obtain a stick at the players’ bench
or be handed one by a teammate not serving a penalty. A goalkeeper
whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the ice surface
from any part of the rink but may receive a stick from a teammate without
proceeding to the players’ bench.
PENALTY—Bench minor.

I was 700 miles away and not even watching the video, so this is pure speculation, but I offer this hypothesis: Most sticks loose on the ice are there because they are broken and have been dropped, as required. Kotyra reacted to the loose goalie stick on the ice as he would normally to a broken stick, picking it up to get it out of play. Once he had it in his hands, he realized it wasn't broken and then faced the problem of what to do with it.

We've seen quotes from the rules and from the statisticians manual. There must be an officials manual somewhere.

Then allow me to clarify. The goalie lost his stick behind the net. Cornell was in RPI's end and got a bunch of chances and shots that were blocked or saved, but he was stickless for a good 20-30 seconds. Eventually RPI got the puck out of the zone. Kotyra was the trailing ref and was behind the net. When everyone had cleared the zone, he skated over, picked up the stick, and handed it to the goalie. It was completely deliberate and ridiculous. All the officials' rules are in the rulebook.

David Harding

CowbellGuy
It was Kotyra that got the stick. Almost positive refs can't do that. I know a player can't pick up another stick and hand it off. I've seen refs and linesmen pick up sticks and hold onto them until stoppages, but I've never seen an official hand a stick to a player or goalie.

Rule 3-1-e
e. A player or goalkeeper shall not participate in play while in possession
of more than one stick, except that a penalty shall not be assessed
to a player who is struck accidentally by the puck while carrying a
replacement stick to a teammate (see 6-4-c).

Rule 6-4-c (also quoted elsewhere in the thread)
b. A goalkeeper may continue to play with a broken stick until a stoppage
of play or until the goalkeeper legally has been provided with a stick.
c. A player whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the
ice from any part of the rink but must obtain a stick at the players’ bench
or be handed one by a teammate not serving a penalty. A goalkeeper
whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the ice surface
from any part of the rink but may receive a stick from a teammate without
proceeding to the players’ bench.
PENALTY—Bench minor.

I was 700 miles away and not even watching the video, so this is pure speculation, but I offer this hypothesis: Most sticks loose on the ice are there because they are broken and have been dropped, as required. Kotyra reacted to the loose goalie stick on the ice as he would normally to a broken stick, picking it up to get it out of play. Once he had it in his hands, he realized it wasn't broken and then faced the problem of what to do with it.

We've seen quotes from the rules and from the statisticians manual. There must be an officials manual somewhere.

But as stated here: Rule Book Quote
only the goalie can play with a broken stick. So for your theory to be true either Kotyra didn't remember the rules or can't tell a goalie stick from a regular stick or picked the stick up and then thought "OOPS - WTF do I do with this thing?"

None of these constitute good officiating. But then that was what many at the rink thought about the whole evening.

redice
We saw on linesman (Ass. Ref?) patting an RPI player on the backside near the RPI bench.

FYP