Cornell 3 RPI 0
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:17PM
sah67
A dirty hit on Davenport at the buzzer and a brawl ensues.
Real classy, RPI.
RPI hockey is the most useless collegiate program in the nation. I hope they leave ECAC. We gotta get them back in Lynah.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: sah67 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:19PM
Cactus12
Game DQ
And on Burgdoerfer, who also got a Game DQ in our game at RPI last year. Classy guy.
Re: Rensselaer Institute for Idiots
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:22PM
And RPI fans boo'd our team.. after their player cheap shot Davenport following the game-ending whistle.
What kind of background did these uneducated acne-faced morons come from?
What kind of background did these uneducated acne-faced morons come from?
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:23PM
lynah80
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
Burgdorfer was the guy who ran one of our guys (also from behind) at RPI 2 years ago and enraged Sawada on the bench. I'd like to see a good ol' Charlestown Chiefs game at Lynah against these jerks.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: cbuckser (76.197.12.---)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:24PM
Erik Burgdoerfer is the same guy who got DQ'd for blatantly hitting Joe Scali from behind in last year's game at RPI.lynah80
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:26PM
cbuckserErik Burgdoerfer is the same guy who got DQ'd for blatantly hitting Joe Scali from behind in last year's game at RPI.lynah80
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
it's hard to say who I would rather see get hit by a truck. Burgdoerfer or Nickerson.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: lynah80 (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:27PM
Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:33PM
lynah80
Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 09:34PM by Oat.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: Chris 02 (---.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:40PM
And the winner of the 2009 TBRW Kevan Melrose-Matt Nickerson Award goes to...
Erik Burgdoerfer of RPI!
Erik Burgdoerfer of RPI!
Re: Rensselaer Institute for Idiots
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:52PM
Oat
And RPI fans boo'd our team.. after their player cheap shot Davenport following the game-ending whistle.
What kind of background did these uneducated acne-faced morons come from?
What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: lynah80 (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:06PM
Yes, the best way to pay them back will be to stuff Lange's net with pucks.
Re: Rensselaer Institute for Idiots
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:09PM
Johnny 5
What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.
Re: 1.) He said "Davenport shouldn't have positioned himsefl that way and left himself vulnerable like that. That's not a smart thing to do." And he later said something along the line of "Cornell is not going to shake hands with RPI, thus creating bad blood between the teams... when there really is no reason to have bad blood.. blah blah blah this is unnecessary.."
Re: Rensselaer Institute for Idiots
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:17PM
OatJohnny 5
What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.
Re: 1.) He said "Davenport shouldn't have positioned himsefl that way and left himself vulnerable like that. That's not a smart thing to do." And he later said something along the line of "Cornell is not going to shake hands with RPI, thus creating bad blood between the teams... when there really is no reason to have bad blood.. blah blah blah this is unnecessary.."
Three penalties at the end of the game. None necessary, one with the possibility of serious injury, and bad blood because of no handshake?
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Re: Rensselaer Institute for Idiots
Posted by: garrynayl (---.sub-70-198-116.myvzw.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:35PM
Realizing that language is always an issue in hockey talk I think we should refrain from the use of "idiot" and "moron" on this thread. It's just wrong and subjects this forum to justified critical comments from the rest of the earth.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 18, 2009 11:26AM
Oatlynah80
Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.
How'd that work out for him again?
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: DisplacedCornellian (---.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com)
Date: January 18, 2009 05:45PM
daredevilcuOatlynah80
Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.
How'd that work out for him again?
I think he caught syphilis...
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: dragonfan (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 19, 2009 06:21AM
1.00:37 M.Kennedy 8 (unassisted)
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: redliner (---.midrivers.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:17AM
lynah80
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
Here's the video of the hit and the aftermath
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2009 01:18AM by redliner.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: imafrshmn (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:56AM
redlinerlynah80
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
Here's the video of the hit and the aftermath
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect, that the hit was legal and that Davenport put on an acting job to sell it. By the looks of the video, it was clearly (to me anyway) boarding. It is also clear that Davenport took a very hard fall into the boards and was no doubt shaken up--why he would want to try to sell an injury (especially at the end of a game) is beyond logic. I'm not so sure whether the situation warranted beyond-minor penalties, from the video, because I am not sure that Davenport couldn't help slamming the board head first.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 12:39PM
In real time I was sure it was a penalty. Then watching in slow motion I was momentarily unsure (Edit: I was fixated on the fact that he hit Davenport from the front) until I read the boarding rule:imafrshmn
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect, that the hit was legal and that Davenport put on an acting job to sell it. By the looks of the video, it was clearly (to me anyway) boarding. It is also clear that Davenport took a very hard fall into the boards and was no doubt shaken up--why he would want to try to sell an injury (especially at the end of a game) is beyond logic. I'm not so sure whether the situation warranted beyond-minor penalties, from the video, because I am not sure that Davenport couldn't help slamming the board head first.
I don't see how you could argue that this wasn't the case here. Davenport was thrown violently into the boards. One could argue that the hit was legal and that Davenport was off balance and should have done more to protect himself but none of that matters according to the rule description. Besides, Burgdoerfer was clearly trying to shove Davenport into the boards. Notice the extension he gets at the end of the hit. This was a shove, not a check.NCAA Hockey Rule Book
SECTION 3. A player shall not body check, cross-check, elbow, charge or
trip an opponent from the front or side in such a manner that causes the
opponent to be thrown violently into the boards (see 6-23).
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ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: cbuckser (---.ospd.ca.gov)
Date: January 21, 2009 12:41PM
The ECAC issued supplemental discipline today for repeat offender, Erik Burgdoerfer. The two-game suspension is in addition to the one-game suspension Burgdoerfer earned with the game disqualification. The suspension is in response to Burgdoerfer's hitting-from-behind major/game misconduct in Friday's game against Colgate, as well as the boarding major/game disqualification at the end of Saturday's game.
In this morning's paper, Brandon Thomas wrote about Cornell's reactions to the play.
I don't buy the RPI argument that Burgdoerfer's hit was a clean shoulder-to-shoulder check. It's true, but it misses the point. Boarding is the appropriate penalty to call when a hit that would have been legal in open ice causes a player to fly violently into the boards. Taylor Davenport was several feet from the boards and was off-balance and vulnerable when Burgdoerfer lit into him. In NCAA hockey, boarding by definition is a hit from the front or the side; a check from behind must be called hitting from behind, not boarding.
In this morning's paper, Brandon Thomas wrote about Cornell's reactions to the play.
I don't buy the RPI argument that Burgdoerfer's hit was a clean shoulder-to-shoulder check. It's true, but it misses the point. Boarding is the appropriate penalty to call when a hit that would have been legal in open ice causes a player to fly violently into the boards. Taylor Davenport was several feet from the boards and was off-balance and vulnerable when Burgdoerfer lit into him. In NCAA hockey, boarding by definition is a hit from the front or the side; a check from behind must be called hitting from behind, not boarding.
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 12:53PM
Burgdoerfer isn't going to win the Lady Byng any time soon, but this seemed more unfortunate than malicious. It wasn't Melrose or Nickerson.
He should send Davenport a get well soon, though. That was a scary fall.
He should send Davenport a get well soon, though. That was a scary fall.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 12:57PM
"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.imafrshmn
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:03PM
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.Trotsky
Burgdoerfer isn't going to win the Lady Byng any time soon, but this seemed more unfortunate than malicious. It wasn't Melrose or Nickerson.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:09PM
Hey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: ugarte (---.z75-46-65.customer.algx.net)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:23PM
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: imafrshmn (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:25PM
Yes, that is what I meant, not implying anything about RPI fans in particular.imafrshmn
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect
Trotsky
"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses,
Thanks for this bit of experience. I have never met RPI fans in person or been to their rink. It does bother me though that lots of online ECAC hockey fans "hate" Cornell fans for being "classless" or "snobs" or whatever. Admittedly, I am only a student and don't personally know the Cornell fan community very well. However, from my 3+ years of going to games, I believe that our fans, while being intense and provocative, almost always know where to draw the line in serious matters of sportsmanship (like when opposing players are hurt at Lynah).Trotsky
but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 01:27PM
EXACTLY!The game is over, let it go.ugarteAnd the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
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Davenport possibly out for this weekend
Posted by: sah67 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 02:45PM
From the IJ article about the Burgdoerfer hit:
Ithaca Journal
As for Davenport's condition, the outlook for this weekend's games at Lynah isn't good.
"He's not better yet," Schafer said Tuesday. "We hope to get him back for maybe one game this week. We'll find out. He might not be back for either.
"Each day hopefully is a better one for him, which they have been so far," he added. "He hasn't practiced yet this week, so we'll see what (today) brings."
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 21, 2009 02:47PM
I think that was just a florid way of saying that Ralph is old.Trotsky"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.imafrshmn
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Dpperk29 (128.153.220.---)
Date: January 21, 2009 03:19PM
ugarteAnd the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Robb (---.etn.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 03:22PM
From the Ithaca Journal article, it sounded like Schafer, et al, took exception to the run RPI took at Scrivens with just over a minute to go, so they kept playing full speed. Very unfortunate - if either team had taken the high road, this entire situation could have been avoided.Dpperk29ugarteAnd the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: redliner (---.midrivers.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 03:32PM
RobbFrom the Ithaca Journal article, it sounded like Schafer, et al, took exception to the run RPI took at Scrivens with just over a minute to go, so they kept playing full speed. Very unfortunate - if either team had taken the high road, this entire situation could have been avoided.Dpperk29ugarteAnd the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...
Within the same IJ article, here's Schafer's response, "Our guys will have a long memory when they come back to Lynah"
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.cmbrmaks.akamai.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 03:54PM
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 04:16PM
In fairness, there have been a couple times in my slow pitch softball league that I have gotten worked up enough that I could imagine at least wanting to do what Burgdoefer did. So I can't condemn the kid too much.Jim HylaEXACTLY!The game is over, let it go.ugarteAnd the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."TrotskyHey, granted. Context matters.KeithK
Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
Note: I have never sent seriously injured anyone in my softball games, intentionally or otherwise. Well, I have sent a teammate to the hospital for stitches but that was an accident.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 21, 2009 04:42PM
If suspensions could be structured intelligently, he would be suspended for that game rather than an undifferentiated next two games.Kyle RoseIf Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.redliner
Within the same IJ article, here's Schafer's response, "Our guys will have a long memory when they come back to Lynah"
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2009 07:00PM
After seeing it for the first time, here's my thoughts:
The aftermath was bad, but the hit wasn't as bad as I expected. It was exacerbated by the fact that Davenport lost an edge and hit hard, but it wasn't a slam from behind directly into the boards.
However, neither was it so innocent. Davenport did not lose his edge afte the hit. He lost it just before or during, and he still went through with it and, furthermore, finished it off with a nice extra shove.
It was stupid, it was dangerous, and it was deserving of repercussions. It just wasn't the most blatant or dangerous there's ever been.
The aftermath was bad, but the hit wasn't as bad as I expected. It was exacerbated by the fact that Davenport lost an edge and hit hard, but it wasn't a slam from behind directly into the boards.
However, neither was it so innocent. Davenport did not lose his edge afte the hit. He lost it just before or during, and he still went through with it and, furthermore, finished it off with a nice extra shove.
It was stupid, it was dangerous, and it was deserving of repercussions. It just wasn't the most blatant or dangerous there's ever been.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2009 07:22PM
That sums my thoughts up fairly well. From reading about the aftermath and suspension before seeing that video, I expected it to have looked a lot worse.DeltaOne81
After seeing it for the first time, here's my thoughts:
The aftermath was bad, but the hit wasn't as bad as I expected. It was exacerbated by the fact that Davenport lost an edge and hit hard, but it wasn't a slam from behind directly into the boards.
However, neither was it so innocent. Davenport did not lose his edge afte the hit. He lost it just before or during, and he still went through with it and, furthermore, finished it off with a nice extra shove.
It was stupid, it was dangerous, and it was deserving of repercussions. It just wasn't the most blatant or dangerous there's ever been.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2009 10:10PM
Josh '99I think that was just a florid way of saying that Ralph is old.Trotsky"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.imafrshmn
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Oat (---.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 12:16AM
imafrshmn
It does bother me though that lots of online ECAC hockey fans "hate" Cornell fans for being "classless" or "snobs" or whatever. Admittedly, I am only a student and don't personally know the Cornell fan community very well. However, from my 3+ years of going to games, I believe that our fans, while being intense and provocative, almost always know where to draw the line in serious matters of sportsmanship (like when opposing players are hurt at Lynah).
Most people who don't like Cornell fans are the other upstate New York fans (Colgate, Clarkson, Union, and RPI). It isn't anything that we do in particular.
So many people in America hate the Yankees. You can find so many Yankees haters in every town, every state (not just in Boston). When seriously asked why, their answer is "we just do. Yankees suck. we just hate'em."
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: lynah80 (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 01:06AM
Kyle Rose
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 11:16AM
Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 11:20AM
Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: ben03 (---.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 12:44PM
Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 12:58PM
That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.ben03Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 01:37PM
lynah80Kyle Rose
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof)
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: lynah80 (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 01:43PM
daredevilculynah80Kyle Rose
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof)
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.akamai.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 02:17PM
lynah80daredevilcu
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof)
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.
OMG, won't somebody please stop the woofing?!!
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Robb (---.etn.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 02:29PM
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."lynah80daredevilculynah80Kyle Rose
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof)
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Give My Regards (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 03:34PM
Robb
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 05:44PM
Josh '99That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.ben03Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
Oh yeah?
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 05:48PM
So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.Give My RegardsRobb
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: nr53 (---.cisco.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 06:55PM
martyJosh '99That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.ben03Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
Oh yeah?
From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 22, 2009 07:28PM
Josh '99So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.Give My RegardsRobb
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 22, 2009 08:45PM
martyJosh '99So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.Give My RegardsRobb
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?
I don't know about technicians, but it takes about 700 students. 1 to screw in the bulb, and 699 to go crazy when it turns on!
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Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2009 06:23AM
daredevilcumartyJosh '99So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.Give My RegardsRobb
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?
I don't know about technicians, but it takes about 700 students. 1 to screw in the bulb, and 699 to go crazy when it turns on!
Well since don't consider yourselves technicians are you at least junior techs?
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: ithacat (---.cbs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 23, 2009 07:54AM
Kyle Roselynah80daredevilcu
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof)
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.
OMG, won't somebody please stop the woofing?!!
Thank you...
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: January 23, 2009 08:13AM
nr53martyJosh '99That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.ben03Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
Oh yeah?
From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p
I had a friend at Cornell who was a transfer from Purdue. He knew the same version, except I think he sang "cesspool of the world."
Edit: Oh and thank you. Now I have that fucking song stuck in my head.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: January 23, 2009 11:10AM
I think it works better with "To hell with" than "Hail to".Jeff Hopkins '82nr53martyJosh '99That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.ben03Josh '99Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?nyc94Oat
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
Oh yeah?
From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p
I had a friend at Cornell who was a transfer from Purdue. He knew the same version, except I think he sang "cesspool of the world."
Edit: Oh and thank you. Now I have that fucking song stuck in my head.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 23, 2009 01:26PM
I'm a business student, don't ask me what the engineers want to be called these days. They're all nuts no matter what school you go to anyway.
Re: ECAC Suspends Erik Burgdoerfer for Two Games
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: January 23, 2009 02:02PM
"Employed."daredevilcu
I'm a business student, don't ask me what the engineers want to be called these days.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: ugarte (---.z75-46-65.customer.algx.net)
Date: January 23, 2009 03:57PM
I'll take Songs the Cornell Pep Band Can't Play at Lynah for 800, Alex.
What is Hail to the Victors?
From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
What is Hail to the Victors?
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0 (3rd period)
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 23, 2009 06:34PM
martyJosh '99
That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Oh yeah?
Given how pathetic midi files are in the first place, what's more pathetic is that our toolish friend here has (1) substituted the bridge for the intro, (2) screwed up the bridge, and (3) generally messed up the harmonies.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 24, 2009 01:31PM
Guess who leads the league in penalties-in-minutes? No, you don't get 3 guesses. He has 72 with next closest 58 in overall games. If there were more minutes for ECAC imposed penalties, then it would be astronomical.
He already has more ECAC PIM this year than every player last year and 25 more than the next closest in ECAC play this year. Yeah, I know that the 10 min ones add up quickly, but that's the point.
I guess it's clear the pattern of his career, rather than the hit on Davenport, is what lead to the ECAC penalty.
He already has more ECAC PIM this year than every player last year and 25 more than the next closest in ECAC play this year. Yeah, I know that the 10 min ones add up quickly, but that's the point.
I guess it's clear the pattern of his career, rather than the hit on Davenport, is what lead to the ECAC penalty.
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Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: cbuckser (76.197.12.---)
Date: January 24, 2009 02:18PM
Jim Hyla
I guess it's clear the pattern of his career, rather than the hit on Davenport, is what lead to the ECAC penalty.
Can anybody think of another occasion in which a player left one game with a game misconduct and followed it up in the ensuing game with a game disqualification? I can't.
Re: Cornell 3 RPI 0
Posted by: lynah80 (---.MED.UPENN.EDU)
Date: January 26, 2009 12:02AM
He also had a 10-min misconduct against Quinnipiac on 11/15/08 for slashing the goalie after the whistle.
Should this guy be allowed on the ice with a stick?
Should this guy be allowed on the ice with a stick?
RPI: 3rd in the nation in PIM/game
Posted by: lynah80 (---.MED.UPENN.EDU)
Date: January 26, 2009 12:18AM
2008-2009
Rank Team Penalties-for-PIM PIM/gm
1 Ferris State 234-for-592 22.77
2 Mercyhurst 205-for-523 20.92
3 Rensselaer 200-for-517 20.68
4 Wisconsin 237-for-531 20.42
5 Michigan 211-for-515 19.81
It's part of their team culture.
Rank Team Penalties-for-PIM PIM/gm
1 Ferris State 234-for-592 22.77
2 Mercyhurst 205-for-523 20.92
3 Rensselaer 200-for-517 20.68
4 Wisconsin 237-for-531 20.42
5 Michigan 211-for-515 19.81
It's part of their team culture.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2009 03:31AM by lynah80.
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