Daily Sun

[CUlater \'89]

I have to stretch  Rich's statement to include '85 to '89 (my tenure on the job).  It was an perennial showdown between the Sun and the Daily Pennsylvanian in many of newspaper publishing competitions.  We had a particularly strong rivalry in the Sports departments, extending to the football field for our annual pre-Penn-Cornell classic.

The first time I read the Crimson, I was shockingly disappointed.  Ditto for the BU Daily Free Press -- pretty skimpy coverage and less-than-stellar writing for a school with a whole separate journalism program (although by '92 it had improved -- along with the hockey team).

[RichS]

oh my God...a less than complimentary word about cornell... ::uhoh::

Does Al D know about this?

Actually, you could do better at IC for quite a number of curricula!

[Ben Doyle 03]

Keep it in the sandbox please. . .::rolleyes::

[Adam Ganderson]

"You keep using this word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."  

[melissa \'01]

I read the sun every day for my last 2 years at cornell and in the 7 months since i have left i read it online each morning with a cup of OJ before getting ready for work. it is how i keep up to date with my alma matter and i too think that it's a great college publication. having at times searched our competitors papers (to see what is being said about the cornell team from their perspectives) i realize what a great thing we have. thanks for all the hard work and coverage. what was said by Charles really needed to be said. i only hope that the article is reprinted before the harvard game next year in an attempt to kill this horrible habit.

[jy3]

Charles,
Thank you for all the wrap-ups that have been written this year about the hockey games. I know that there are a bunch of Lynah Faithful who haven't the time or the resources to listen to the games or go. The paper gives them the opportunity to read about the games from someone who was there. I don't agree with the bad writing comments, and I should know somewhat since I was an English major (though you probably can't tell from this post ;-) ).
As for the fans, throw 'em if they throw crap. Throw 'em out if they attack other fans. Realize this everyone - for every person you kick of the hockey rink, there are about 3 frosh who would love to have that seat.
In closing, I think that Charles was not saying that he knew what happened in placid, just that he had heard it.
anyway,
LGR!

[Ben Doyle 03]

Please. . .enlighten me;-)

[AdamGanderson]

Sorry...  I thought the quotes would make you hear Inego Montoya.  That's what I get for trying to be funny.  : )

[jeh25]

My name is Inego Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die

[Robb]

Re: the LP banner ripping.  Here's the real deal:

Someone (I believe Ray DiLaureo;s (sp?) mother) had made a beautiful banner by cutting out colored construction paper letters and pasting them on brown butcher paper.  Twice.  Each letter was in white with a red shadow.  The banner read (and I kid you not): "Ahh - Springtime in Lake Placid.  The snow is melting, the birds are singing, and Ray DiLaureo and the Saints are back in town."  It was huge, and must have taken hours to make.  Unfortunately, the owner of said banner guessed wrong - all the Cornell fans ended up sitting under where she had chosen to hang it.  There was much consternation amongst the Cornell fans.  What to do?  We didn't want to rip it down, for fear of appearing like hooligans.  Instead,  a few guys went off, got a sheet, and wrote on it with a magic marker, "SLU: if you can spell 'Safety School,' they let you in."  Only if I remember correctly, it had some spelling/grammatical mistakes in it (besides ending the sentence with a preposition).  Now where do you suppose this banner was hung?  Right over the SLU corner.  Within about 5 minutes, a bunch of SLU fans had ripped it down, and I can't really say that I blame them.  Immediately, the SLU banner "was destroyed."  (NB: intentional use of passive voice for dramatic effect.)     So yes, technically, SLU started the banner trashing.  However, the Cornell fans who hung the banner knew exactly what was going to happen - we (if I say "we" when referring to the team when we're winning, I feel obligated to say "we" in this situation as well) were just itching for an excuse to rip down the SLU banner, and the events played out exactly as calculated.  So were Cornell fans hooligans, or were they merely responding in kind to the banner-ripping that had been wrongfully initiated by the SLU fans?  Judge for yourself.

I don't know anything about the six-year-old's sign - that one was new to me.

[Ben Doyle 03]

The real deal, huh, (the sign was mine). . .I will say you correctly observed that the sign had misspellings and grammatical errors, those were intended to be blatantly obvious. . .it's called humor, you might want to try it sometime:-D. We (being myself and my roommate) tried to hang the sign near our section and were told we could not b/c it would cover the advertisements. We then moved to hang it behind the goal in our end of the rink, again no dice. The rink staff then suggested that we hang it on the other end of the rink, the SLU end of the building (NOT our first choice).  There was no ulterior motive or premeditated intent involved when hanging the sign as our friend Robb has stated (you're assuming something w/out firsthand knowledge:`( ). Just b/c you were in the building doesn't mean you know all. So, Robb if you're going to stand in judgment of actions that were not your own. . .please, at least go to the source to get the facts straight (I believe that's how this all started).  

LGR!!!

[jeh25]

Hey Ben-

I'd back off just a touch. I know that you didn't mean to dis Robb but you could have pointed out the situation regarding the available space for signage without attacking him.

To be fair, Robb did end his post with a question w.r.t to intent of the Cornell sign makers. Although he did lean toward assuming the worst, he did in fact, leave that as an exercise for the reader. I think if you had stated your additional info in a different manner, it may have been received in a better light.

I know Robb to be a fair guy who calls it as he sees it. I also know that you are a good guy who knows a lot about the game of hockey and is a diehard fan. I suspect that Robb would have considered your side if you didn't immediately attack him.

Just my $.02.

-j

[Ben Doyle 03]

John, "calling it as he sees it" is exactly where we run into the problem. Seeing something doesn't equal the facts; I understand your point regarding my previous post and I respect your opinion, but I have to say the presumptions made regarding the actions of others were incorrect, resulting in a post that was admittedly a knee-jerk reaction.
So. . .Please, next time you are going to state "facts" don't assume too much.

Robb, my apologies:-)

[Robb]

No problem.  I think this is a case of the blind men and the elephant.  I was standing with many fans who *were* explicitly saying, "Boy, I hope SLU rips that banner down so we can rip theirs down."  I admit that I made a generalization when I said that all Cornell fans (including the banner hanger) were feeling this way.  I don't even know if the people who ripped down the SLU banner were the same ones who put up the Safety School banner (note the passive voice in my previous post).  I do know that no Cornell fan made a move toward the SLU banner until SLU ripped yours down, and that wasn't a coincidence.  So, while you, the banner hanger, may not have intended anything of the sort, many Cornell fans did see the opportunity once your banner was hung and were openly hoping that SLU would rip it down.  So from what I saw, I definitely perceived that Cornell fans were simply hoping for an excuse.  You have made it clear that this was not *your* intent, and you obviously didn't see or hear the people that I did, so you have a completely different view of the same event.   Sorry to have read intent into your actions; I definitely didn't know about the lack of alternate banner space.

[Ben Doyle 03]

Hey, all's well that ends well. Chalk this one up to a sizable misunderstanding.

LGR!!!!!