Alumni in the Pros -- Jan 2006

Brian · January 03, 2006, 06:52:48 PM

What happened to Iggulden last night, 19 minutes in penalties! What is a face shield penalty?

Molgestron · January 03, 2006, 11:19:47 PM

Saw Nieuwendyk in NJ tonight, and although he's had some great games recently, the Devils held him shotless. It also seemed like he got a lot less ice time than some of the other Panthers- disappointing because I picked the game to see him, although Elias returned and had a great night so that was nice. In a REALLY small crowd, I saw at least two Cornell jerseys and set next to a Quinnipiac fan who wouldn't stop talking about Cashman.

My question of the game is why do referees give coincidental diving and hooking (in this case) penalties? I've seen it happen a few times and tonight it looked as if a hooking call was going to cut short a Florida 5x3 until the Devils player got called for a dive. Is it because the diving player exaggerates even when there is an actual penalty? Hopefully someone here can enlighten me.

Jacob '06 · January 04, 2006, 12:35:18 AM

[quote Molgestron]Is it because the diving player exaggerates even when there is an actual penalty? Hopefully someone here can enlighten me.[/quote]

Yes.

Josh '99 · January 04, 2006, 01:19:50 AM

[quote Molgestron]Saw Nieuwendyk in NJ tonight, and although he's had some great games recently, the Devils held him shotless. It also seemed like he got a lot less ice time than some of the other Panthers- disappointing because I picked the game to see him, although Elias returned and had a great night so that was nice. In a REALLY small crowd, I saw at least two Cornell jerseys and set next to a Quinnipiac fan who wouldn't stop talking about Cashman.[/quote]A small crowd at a Devils game? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

bigred06 · January 04, 2006, 03:10:25 PM

The penalty you are talking about was the worst call i've seen this year. Paul Martin dove to poke the puck down the ice just killing a penalty not trying to draw a hooking penalty.

Pete Godenschwager · January 04, 2006, 03:53:58 PM

[quote Brian]What happened to Iggulden last night, 19 minutes in penalties! What is a face shield penalty?[/quote]

I think the face shield penalty refers to fighting while wearing a face shield. If you saw Murray's fight the other night, he quickly took off his helmet before his scrap to avoid this.

Edit: Apparently, this penalty is only applied if the person wearing the shield is deemed the instigator.

Molgestron · January 04, 2006, 03:58:08 PM

[quote bigred06]The penalty you are talking about was the worst call i've seen this year. Paul Martin dove to poke the puck down the ice just killing a penalty not trying to draw a hooking penalty.[/quote]

Thanks. I had a bad view of those near side boards so I couldn't see it well.

And I've been to plenty of terribly attended Devils games, but I don't think the crowd there could have filled Lynah. Of course, NHL.com has the official attendance at 10,039, but the arena looked ~20% full. Stupid that they're spending the money for a new arena. If people don't go to the Meadowlands, can't see that they're going to go to Newark.

To put this thread back on track, LeNeveu is at .905, 3.06 since going back to San Antonio. Not so stellar, but it's not like he has a D to help him out. Similar numbers to Danis (.903, 2.73) and Jimmy Howard (.900, 2.76)

Josh '99 · January 04, 2006, 04:14:30 PM

[quote Molgestron]And I've been to plenty of terribly attended Devils games, but I don't think the crowd there could have filled Lynah. Of course, NHL.com has the official attendance at 10,039, but the arena looked ~20% full. Stupid that they're spending the money for a new arena. If people don't go to the Meadowlands, can't see that they're going to go to Newark.[/quote]To be fair, Newark is a LOT easier to get to than the Meadowlands (which is famously inaccessible by public transportation). I still maintain that nobody gives a crap about the Devils, but I don't think moving to Newark will hurt their (piss poor) attendance any.

Brian · January 04, 2006, 06:48:02 PM

[quote Pete Godenschwager][quote Brian]What happened to Iggulden last night, 19 minutes in penalties! What is a face shield penalty?[/quote]

I think the face shield penalty refers to fighting while wearing a face shield. If you saw Murray's fight the other night, he quickly took off his helmet before his scrap to avoid this.

Edit: Apparently, this penalty is only applied if the person wearing the shield is deemed the instigator.[/quote]

Thanks, it makes more sense if you compare it to the Murray fight. However, seems foolish that you have to think about taking your helmet off, especially when your pissed off! Silly NHL!

Liz '05 · January 04, 2006, 09:05:22 PM

[quote Pete Godenschwager][quote Brian]What happened to Iggulden last night, 19 minutes in penalties! What is a face shield penalty?[/quote]

I think the face shield penalty refers to fighting while wearing a face shield. If you saw Murray's fight the other night, he quickly took off his helmet before his scrap to avoid this.

Edit: Apparently, this penalty is only applied if the person wearing the shield is deemed the instigator.[/quote]

Is there a safety concern related to this? I'm not sure I see the reasoning behind the penalty

Jacob '06 · January 04, 2006, 09:12:56 PM

[quote Liz '05][quote Pete Godenschwager][quote Brian]What happened to Iggulden last night, 19 minutes in penalties! What is a face shield penalty?[/quote]

I think the face shield penalty refers to fighting while wearing a face shield. If you saw Murray's fight the other night, he quickly took off his helmet before his scrap to avoid this.

Edit: Apparently, this penalty is only applied if the person wearing the shield is deemed the instigator.[/quote]

Is there a safety concern related to this? I'm not sure I see the reasoning behind the penalty[/quote]

You don't wanna punch someone in the visor, it would cut up your hand probably.

Dpperk29 · January 04, 2006, 09:23:05 PM

or if on the off chance the visor broke/came off the helmet it would cut the other guy up pretty good too...

KeithK · January 04, 2006, 10:59:36 PM

[q]Thanks, it makes more sense if you compare it to the Murray fight. However, seems foolish that you have to think about taking your helmet off, especially when your pissed off! Silly NHL![/q]I don't know. Putting restrictions on fighting, even relatively minor ones like this, seems like a pretty good idea to me.

David Harding · January 05, 2006, 12:13:03 AM

I certainly wouldn't want a broken piece of my own visor putting my eye out. On the other hand, I can imagine having that shield making me feel less vulnerable and thus more likely to instigate.

Liz '05 · January 05, 2006, 09:20:26 AM

I suppose I can see the broken visor argument, but if that's the concern the instigator should be pulling off his opponent's visor before taking a punch (i.e. the opposite of what I understand the rule to be). The instigator would, presumably, be getting the best shot in first, right?

In my experience, helmets come off if there's a serious fight, along with gloves, not because of a rule, but as a result of the fight. It may not be true in reverse, but I think requiring the helmets to be off ups the chances of it being a serious fight. Silly, then, to penalize wearing a helmet.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen a NHL game since the Whalers, and thus the only fight-viewing I have comes from college hockey.