New Recruit

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]Jim Hyla Wrote:

 [Q2]Greg Berge Wrote:

 It's theoretically possible to move a guy back from F to D.[/Q]
Wow, I guess so . The reason I mentioned on another thread, that I was interested in Dan Lodboa's #14 jersey, was because of that very point. He was a good forward on the 67-68 team, as a soph. The next season Coach Harkness "moved him back" to D. All he did was to become an All-American, at D, for the 1970 team. Not that those things are as likely in modern   times, but it certainly worked then. As an aside, that same year, 68-69, Coach Harkness moved Steve Giuliani from D to F.[/q]

Harry Orr was another All-American D whom Ned moved from F.  I think Bruce Pattison might have been a forward before his varsity tenure as well.  My recollection on Giuliani is the reverse, Jim.  Last year's media guide lists him as a W in 67-68 and 68-69, and then a D/W in 69-70.

I'm guessing the transition would be tougher today than it was then, but I'm not sure I can give any good reasons why.

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 [Q2]Jim Hyla Wrote:

 [Q2]Greg Berge Wrote:

 It's theoretically possible to move a guy back from F to D.[/Q]
Wow, I guess so . The reason I mentioned on another thread, that I was interested in Dan Lodboa's #14 jersey, was because of that very point. He was a good forward on the 67-68 team, as a soph. The next season Coach Harkness "moved him back" to D. All he did was to become an All-American, at D, for the 1970 team. Not that those things are as likely in modern   times, but it certainly worked then. As an aside, that same year, 68-69, Coach Harkness moved Steve Giuliani from D to F.[/Q]
Harry Orr was another All-American D whom Ned moved from F.  I think Bruce Pattison might have been a forward before his varsity tenure as well.  My recollection on Giuliani is the reverse, Jim.  Last year's media guide lists him as a W in 67-68 and 68-69, and then a D/W in 69-70.

I'm guessing the transition would be tougher today than it was then, but I'm not sure I can give any good reasons why.[/q]Al, I got my info from the old Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter. As an aside, did you ever get that? It was published for years by Don T. Birkmayer, out of Troy. Anyway, his Nov. 26, 1968 edition lists Giuliani as switched fron defense. I'll try and look it up further, but not now,

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]Jim Hyla Wrote:
Al, I got my info from the old Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter. As an aside, did you ever get that? It was published for years by Don T. Birkmayer, out of Troy. Anyway, his Nov. 26, 1968 edition lists Giuliani as switched fron defense. I'll try and look it up further, but not now,[/q]
I remember the Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter, but never subscribed.  

As I recall, when Ned switched Orr to defense, he moved Paul Althouse from defense to forward--so there was at least one "reverse" conversion.  Interesting swap.  Speed and quickness from F to D; size from D to F.

[ursusminor]

FWIW, Don Birkmayer, the longtime RPI PA announcer, retired a few years ago and moved to Ithaca of all places.  

[jkahn]

Lodboa played left wing his entire sopomore year, '67-'68, then played only left defense thereafter.  At the beginning of his junior year he had no shot from the point whatsoever, to the point where it was almost comical.  However, all of the sudden (I'm sure after a lot of practice), he had this great slapshot which showed up at a Christmas break tournament in Boston.  Everyone had been overplaying Bruce Pattison, who had an awesome shot from the right point, and this made us absolutely awesome with the two of them out there, especially on the power play.  I remember returning to Ithaca after the break to report the good news about Lodboa's development.
As far as Giuliani, he also started as a forward, and my recollection is that he moved back mid-way through his sophomore year, after playing on a line with Garth Ryan and John Hughes for the first half of the season.   Based upon what others have said here, perhaps it was the middle of his junior year though.  However, other than Pattison, Giuliani, Lodboa and Lowe, I can't think of any other defenseman for the '68-'69 year (maybe Ian Orr but he didn't get any playing time), so I think the change came earlier, and I'm sure it was a mid-year switch for him.

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

However, other than Pattison, Giuliani, Lodboa and Lowe, I can't think of any other defenseman for the '68-'69 year (maybe Ian Orr but he didn't get any playing time), so I think the change came earlier, and I'm sure it was a mid-year switch for him.[/q]
The roster in last year's media guide shows Richard Fullan as a defenseman in 68-69, but I have no recollection of him playing.  Of the four you named above,  two (Lodboa and Giuliani) started their Cornell careers as forwards, and somewhere I believe I read Pattison was at one time a forward, too (but that could also be totally inaccurate).

[ursusminor]

FWIW, I have the program for the Cornell game at RPI on 12/4/68 (won by RPI in OT, BTW :-D ) showing the following defensemen dressed for Cornell: Lowe, Fullan, Lodboa, Duthie, Pattison, and Orr. Fullan and Pattison started.

[jkahn]

[Q] Al wrote:
 I believe I read Pattison was at one time a forward, too (but that could also be totally inaccurate). [/Q]
I believe the only time Bruce played forward on the varsity was a game at Colgate in '68-'69 where he played center, which seemed strange to all of us there, and almost like Ned and Bruce decided to have a little fun against a weaker opponent.  We won 7-0 and he played well.  He may have been a forward as a freshman though.  

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2] Al wrote:
 I believe I read Pattison was at one time a forward, too (but that could also be totally inaccurate). [/Q]
I believe the only time Bruce played forward on the varsity was a game at Colgate in '68-'69 where he played center, which seemed strange to all of us there, and almost like Ned and Bruce decided to have a little fun against a weaker opponent.  We won 7-0 and he played well.  He may have been a forward as a freshman though.[/q]
Sorry.  I meant to say either before he came to Cornell or perhaps as a freshman.  Ned did like mobile, active defensemen who could join in the offense.  His forwards were well-trained--under fear of God-knows-what--to swing back and cover for a rushing or pinching defenseman.

[pfibiger]

I emailed the guy who runs ontariodraft.com, curious if he had any more solid info about Matt Beca, and he said:

"Our guess is as good as yours to be honest, that
article was meant to be a fun pre-season projection,
and for the most part, has no inside track whatsoever
... it was an educated guess. One thing is for sure,
where ever Matt ends up, he'll be a dandy. Very solid
hockey player."

So it looks like that projection doesn't carry too much weight

Also, Evan Barlow's scoring line is now:
13-9-8-17, good for 2nd on the team in ppg.

Mike Kennedy's current line:
16-7-9-16

[pfibiger]

both this:

http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/1413/graphics/college05.pdf

and this:

http://www.ajhl.ca/education/99-00_uscb.html

list a new recruit, currently playing with the Drayton Valley Thunder of the AJHL.

Taylor Davenport
DEFENCE
HT: 5'10" WT: 175
D.O.B.: Apr. 15,1985
HOMETOWN: Okotoks, AB

so far this year:
21-4-8-12-42

One of his teammates was just picked up by Princeton.

[calgARI '07]

Good to see it's a defenseman.  At 5'10, he could very well be the Downs replacement.  
One has to think one or two of the five forwards listed for next year will not come until 2006.  If all five come and there are no more forwards added, then that would give the team 17 forwards.  That sure seems like a lot.

[littleredfan]

Does this mean we'll have two T. Davenport's (although one will be in net) and two C. Abbott's? Let confusion reign

[KeithK]

Well, they're certainly not related - separated by 1000+ miles and only three months at birth.

[calgARI '07]

Davenport has been added on Heisenberg's website.  Interesting to note that the date listed for his commitment is June 2nd, yet he was just added.