Rumors on ECAC expansion

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]kesiwick Wrote:

 Moy's column is bull. He applies equal weight to each category, which isn't the case. He doesn't calculate how much money each respective school is planning to pump into its athletic program in the short term and over the long term given its financial/endowment strength. He doesn't capture the intangible factors with regard to each school's history and relationship with the other ECAC schools. He doesn't factor in other hockey venues -- i.e. alternative game sites -- for all the schools cited. And he doesn't know what each school promised behind closed doors. Yale wants no part of QU going to the ECAC and on and on and on -- [/q]


My reaction exactly.  Holy Cross would be the best fit, academically and geographically.  Proximity to Boston is a big plus, too.  But then...this is the ECAC.

[rstott]

I wonder if the school presidents will have much say in this?  If so I'm sure the Ivy League ones would strongly favor Holy Cross which is a decent school over the others which all seem pretty second-rate.

[rstott]

I wonder how much input school presidents will have?  I'm sure the Ivy League ones would strongly favor Holy Cross which is a decent school over the others which all seem pretty second rate.

[KeithK]

[q]Moy's column is bull.[/q]Oh come on, you're being way to harsh.  He's using a simplified analysis to to look at the situation and speculate as to what will happen.  He can't know the closed door things and trying to properly weight each of the individual factors is pointless when you don't know how the committee will do it.

Basically Moy's article does a perfect job for what it's really trying to do - fill the news gap before the ECAC decision is announced and provide some food for discussion on off season discussion boards.

BTW - The analysis, with all it's limitations, does emphasize that SH and Mercyhurst are very much long shots, Niagara has a chance based on hockey success, Q is banking on it's new rink proposal and HC has the academic advantage.  Not that these things are terribly new and exciting, but at least he has them correct (with some numbers on academics).

[min]

i think there should be a poll about this..  my money is on holy cross.

[adamw]

No one has ever cited any evidence that Yale doesn't want QU in the ECAC.  Yet there is evidence declaring the opposite -- i.e. Wayne Dean's comments in support of QU.

[Petunia]

I vote for Niagara.
HOWEVER, I sense this is will not happen because Niagara is too far from the other schools geographically.

I felt Moy's analysis completely missed the geographic fit aspect.

[jy3]

t-h*ere is a poll but i cant access it on uscho from this computer to give u the link

[KeithK]

USCHO is reporting that it's down to Quinnipiac and Holy Cross.

http://www.uscho.com/news/2004/07/12_008601.php

[Jacob '06]

I'm betting it will be holy cross

[KeithK]

[q]I'm betting it will be holy cross[/q]Considering that it's been reduced to two and we're past the announced decision date, I'd bet both schools have advocates among the ECAC AD's.  By all reports (er, rumors) Harvard and Dartmouth at least want HC.  But if it were that simple then they'd have made the decision already.  McDonald and his rink plans have probably impressed some, not to mention the fact that Q would give 18 scholarships while HC would give none.

[jy3]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaah/news?slug=ap-ecac-niagara&prov=ap&type=lgns

not sure if u guys saw this. i was confused by the wording. i originally thought the author meant they TURNED DOWN the offer but i now i realize they were turned down


i see the info is in the uscho article as well. so it is one, both, or none. we shall see

[jy3]

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?s=11726380dcffc6feebaaa7034323283a&threadid=40391

link to poll

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:
...not to mention the fact that Q would give 18 scholarships while HC would give none.
[/q]
Good reason for picking Holy Cross.  League champs, best academics, and need-based aid only.

[KeithK]

[q]Good reason for picking Holy Cross. League champs, best academics, and need-based aid only.[/q]I see your point and I don't necessarily disagree.  But I'm just saying that in terms of long term competitiveness, Q would have an easier time with scholarships than HC without.  That might sway some people (esp the non-Ivies) considering how Union has fared in the league.