2022 Incoming Recruits

[RatushnyFan]

They were big but not so lumbering........I was impressed with their skating and tenacity which led to long stretches of possession.  It wasn't a fluke or even very close IMO.

[arugula]

Howe no longer on roster on website.  According to Wikipedia (great source?),e signed with the Toronto Marlies, but I see no other evidence of that.

[BearLover]

One interesting note on our promising freshman forwards is that all committed to Cornell very late in the process. Between Donaldson, Bancroft, Wallace, and DeSantis, the earliest commitment was Bancroft on 11/11/21; i.e., each committed no earlier than nine months before matriculating. Donaldson and DeSantis were UConn decommits, while Wallace was a MSU decommit. Cornell was able to find these players in the latest stage of recruiting. Current recruits for future seasons are quite a bit younger and rawer.

Throw in Seger transferring at the end of last season and it becomes even more wild that a year ago none of these players planned to ever be suiting up for Cornell.

[Dafatone]

One interesting note on our promising freshman forwards is that all committed to Cornell very late in the process. Between Donaldson, Bancroft, Wallace, and DeSantis, the earliest commitment was Bancroft on 11/11/21; i.e., each committed no earlier than nine months before matriculating. Donaldson and DeSantis were UConn decommits, while Wallace was a MSU decommit. Cornell was able to find these players in the latest stage of recruiting. Current recruits for future seasons are quite a bit younger and rawer.

Throw in Seger transferring at the end of last season and it becomes even more wild that a year ago none of these players planned to ever be suiting up for Cornell.

That is fascinating, given how often we get an exciting recruit and then they don't show up for two years (or ever, sometimes).

[BearLover]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly going up against a far more talented Harvard team. Unless Cornell figures out a way to compete with Harvard in recruiting, Harvard beating Cornell and winning ECAC championships will continue to be the norm.

Looking at their roster, Harvard recruits heavily from Massachusetts prep schools. Cornell can't really compete with them there. Harvard also recruits a few players each year from the US National Team Development Program. Again, Cornell seems to be uncompetitive for these players. We have historically ended up with a few of these players, such as Bardreau, Bliss, Tschantz, and Fiegl, but these recruits were all basically depth guys on the Under 17/Under 18 teams and I don't think we've had a single recruit from the USNTDP since 2014.

It would be great if Cornell could shore up the above weaknesses by winning recruiting battles in upstate NY, and indeed we have gotten some good players from there and continue to (eg. Ryan Walsh, who is among the USHL scoring leaders and should be coming next year). But even still, a lot of those guys end up at schools like BU.

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

[Dafatone]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly going up against a far more talented Harvard team. Unless Cornell figures out a way to compete with Harvard in recruiting, Harvard beating Cornell and winning ECAC championships will continue to be the norm.

Looking at their roster, Harvard recruits heavily from Massachusetts prep schools. Cornell can't really compete with them there. Harvard also recruits a few players each year from the US National Team Development Program. Again, Cornell seems to be uncompetitive for these players. We have historically ended up with a few of these players, such as Bardreau, Bliss, Tschantz, and Fiegl, but these recruits were all basically depth guys on the Under 17/Under 18 teams and I don't think we've had a single recruit from the USNTDP since 2014.

It would be great if Cornell could shore up the above weaknesses by winning recruiting battles in upstate NY, and indeed we have gotten some good players from there and continue to (eg. Ryan Walsh, who is among the USHL scoring leaders and should be coming next year). But even still, a lot of those guys end up at schools like BU.

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

The plan is to continue getting players who play college hockey at a high level. A graphic they showed at the start of the game had our age a full year older than Harvard's, and it's not like our team is all seniors. Age is good at the college level.

If draft picks were everything, Harvard would be smoking everyone.

[Al DeFlorio]

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

I don't think you have a clue as to where Harvard stands in the pantheon of American universities, rightly or wrongly.  Harvard's yield rate is consistently in the 80-85% range.  Cornell's is 60-65%.  Kids who are accepted to Harvard go there, whether hockey players or not.  Only MIT has a comparable yield rate, and it's a different animal.  We can debate the merits of Harvard's reputation till we're blue in the face, but it is what it is, and it makes recruiting easy.

[BearLover]

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

I don't think you have a clue as to where Harvard stands in the pantheon of American universities, rightly or wrongly.  Harvard's yield rate is consistently in the 80-85% range.  Cornell's is 60-65%.  Kids who are accepted to Harvard go there, whether hockey players or not.  Only MIT has a comparable yield rate, and it's a different animal.  We can debate the merits of Harvard's reputation till we're blue in the face, but it is what it is, and it makes recruiting easy.

I think I'm pretty well aware of Harvard's academic reputation. It's quite similar to that of Yale and Princeton, two schools that Cornell badly out-recruits.

[Al DeFlorio]

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

I don't think you have a clue as to where Harvard stands in the pantheon of American universities, rightly or wrongly.  Harvard's yield rate is consistently in the 80-85% range.  Cornell's is 60-65%.  Kids who are accepted to Harvard go there, whether hockey players or not.  Only MIT has a comparable yield rate, and it's a different animal.  We can debate the merits of Harvard's reputation till we're blue in the face, but it is what it is, and it makes recruiting easy.

I think I'm pretty well aware of Harvard's academic reputation. It's quite similar to that of Yale and Princeton, two schools that Cornell badly out-recruits.

Yale and Princeton are not in the Boston area to attract those Massachusetts prep school kids, do not have Harvard's hockey history, and ,sorry to say, do not have the aura of Harvard.  If, in fact, you really are "well aware of Harvsrd's academic reputation," you simply don't understand its manifestations.

[Tcl123]

If it wasn't for Covid, we would potentially only be 3 years removed from a national championship (we were ranked #1 at the time and had as good/if not better chance than anyone). When was the last time Harvard was ranked #1? I can't recall seeing that for a decent amount of years (I could be wrong).

[chimpfood]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly going up against a far more talented Harvard team. Unless Cornell figures out a way to compete with Harvard in recruiting, Harvard beating Cornell and winning ECAC championships will continue to be the norm.

Looking at their roster, Harvard recruits heavily from Massachusetts prep schools. Cornell can't really compete with them there. Harvard also recruits a few players each year from the US National Team Development Program. Again, Cornell seems to be uncompetitive for these players. We have historically ended up with a few of these players, such as Bardreau, Bliss, Tschantz, and Fiegl, but these recruits were all basically depth guys on the Under 17/Under 18 teams and I don't think we've had a single recruit from the USNTDP since 2014.

It would be great if Cornell could shore up the above weaknesses by winning recruiting battles in upstate NY, and indeed we have gotten some good players from there and continue to (eg. Ryan Walsh, who is among the USHL scoring leaders and should be coming next year). But even still, a lot of those guys end up at schools like BU.

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

Cornell doesn't want high nhl draft picks that leave after 2 years and force a constant cycle of recruiting. We want solid, 4-year players that can be a part of a cohesive team, not stars.

[BearLover]

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

I don't think you have a clue as to where Harvard stands in the pantheon of American universities, rightly or wrongly.  Harvard's yield rate is consistently in the 80-85% range.  Cornell's is 60-65%.  Kids who are accepted to Harvard go there, whether hockey players or not.  Only MIT has a comparable yield rate, and it's a different animal.  We can debate the merits of Harvard's reputation till we're blue in the face, but it is what it is, and it makes recruiting easy.

I think I'm pretty well aware of Harvard's academic reputation. It's quite similar to that of Yale and Princeton, two schools that Cornell badly out-recruits.

Yale and Princeton are not in the Boston area to attract those Massachusetts prep school kids, do not have Harvard's hockey history, and ,sorry to say, do not have the aura of Harvard.  If, in fact, you really are "well aware of Harvsrd's academic reputation," you simply don't understand its manifestations.

As I say above, I'm not looking for Cornell to compete for the Massachusetts prep school kids. Sounds like your plan for Cornell to compete with Harvard in recruiting is that there is no plan—we should just give up. Yale won a national title and made the NCAAs 6 out of 8 years in the mid-2010s, by the way.

[marty]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly...

Yes it is but I haven't done the math to determine just how tired we are.

[BearLover]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly going up against a far more talented Harvard team. Unless Cornell figures out a way to compete with Harvard in recruiting, Harvard beating Cornell and winning ECAC championships will continue to be the norm.

Looking at their roster, Harvard recruits heavily from Massachusetts prep schools. Cornell can't really compete with them there. Harvard also recruits a few players each year from the US National Team Development Program. Again, Cornell seems to be uncompetitive for these players. We have historically ended up with a few of these players, such as Bardreau, Bliss, Tschantz, and Fiegl, but these recruits were all basically depth guys on the Under 17/Under 18 teams and I don't think we've had a single recruit from the USNTDP since 2014.

It would be great if Cornell could shore up the above weaknesses by winning recruiting battles in upstate NY, and indeed we have gotten some good players from there and continue to (eg. Ryan Walsh, who is among the USHL scoring leaders and should be coming next year). But even still, a lot of those guys end up at schools like BU.

I'd be curious to know if the coaching staff has any sort of answer for Harvard's recruiting dominance. Our future recruiting looks good, but not Harvard levels of good. What's the plan?

Cornell doesn't want high nhl draft picks that leave after 2 years and force a constant cycle of recruiting. We want solid, 4-year players that can be a part of a cohesive team, not stars.

I can't remember the last player who left Harvard within two seasons (excepting the COVID year). Louis Leblanc in 2010? All their stars stay at least three years (Vesey stayed four, Fox stayed three, Donato stayed three).  Coronato this season may be the first to leave after two seasons in a very long time.

[BearLover]

It's getting pretty tiring repeatedly...

Yes it is but I haven't done the math to determine just how tired we are.

Let me plug in some random inputs and then publish a model for you