Dead (or Zombie) Cheers

[Section A]

I think a Hornby substitution in Hey Baby is perfectly appropriate; I mean, the crowd loves the guy, not to mention the tune by now. Why not let it last one more year?

[jtwcornell91]

Avash '05 wrote:
I think a Hornby substitution in Hey Baby is perfectly appropriate; I mean, the crowd loves the guy, not to mention the tune by now. Why not let it last one more year?

How about because it's stupid because the real name of the song is nothing like "Hey Hornby"?  If you want to give him one of Baby's cheers, why not Austin Powers with the line "Do I make you Hornby, baby?" replacing "Yeah, Baby, yeah!"

[jtwcornell91]

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:
Gary Glitter 'you suck's:
I don't know what you guys think is so horrible about this one. Yeah, the word suck(s) is overused, but I actually think the people who created this one found a pretty neat 'backbeat' to use in that. The timing is great musically (it coincides with the beginning of the next go 'round of the cheer) and I think it's good cheer-wise - it would have been nice to come up with something more unique than "you suck", but I don't think it's worth killing an otherwise good idea for. Not everything new is bad :-P.

This one is uncreative not just because it's another overuse of "suck" but because everyone else does it.  Gary Glitter, the ultimate Jock Jam, is so overused as to be generic in sports (e.g., used by every team that can't think of something better to play after a goal), but we've made it our own with the "sieve" and "Rough 'em up, rough 'em up, go CU" parts.  ("We're gonna beat the hell out of you" has been around longer and is more widely used.)  A few years ago people everywhere started changing the "hey" to "hey--you suck", and I'd have hoped we'd just stick with our own stamp on that rather than copying the "you suck" generica.

Incidentally, there's a modification of a standard Jock Jam that I'm sorry never caught on; one of these little tunes happens to consist of a repeating four-bar pattern with roughly the same cadence as the cowbell; at a Dartmouth game a few years ago (sans Age) they were piping it in and some of us started doing the cowbell cheer to it.  I think when I have heard this tune at Lynah, if anyone says anything, it's "sieve".

Incidentally incidentally, speaking of Jock Jams, if anyone feels up for reviving the old pastime of stealing from the Clarkson band, they do a great thing to "Y'all Ready for This?", where they yell "sieve ... sieve ... sieve ... sieve sieve" at the appropriate intervals; it's pretty cool and not yet done to death.



Post Edited (04-25-03 19:17)

[Tub(a)]

[q]How about because it's stupid because the real name of the song is nothing like "Hey Hornby"? If you want to give him one of Bâby's cheers, why not Austin Powers with the line "Do I make you Hornby, baby?" replacing "Yeah, Bâby, yeah!"[/q]

JTW sums it up nicely. I am going to be pushing to kill the song, because it loses the all important "clever" factor. The Austin Powers cheer is virtually guaranteed to become "Do I make you Hornby?" That should be enough.

[Section A]

Okay, okay, I understand...hey maybe if Baby ever comes back and coaches here, it could return. Ya never know.

Grant, any new songs the band might be playing next year?

[Tub(a)]

New Songs: Definitely
New Cheers: Uncertain

Talk to me if I win the conductor election study week

[Anne 85]

Sorry, I have to say that I think that playing the Hey Baby song for Hornby is perfectly appropriate.  Yes, it loses a degree of cleverness when the player's name isn't actually in the lyrics, but it's a catchy tune and a blast to sing.  And, the words of the cheer part are MUCH more applicable to Hornby than Baby (or his mom).

The Austin Powers thing is kinda cute, but it's not really a satisfying cheer -- the Hornby reference is just tacked onto the end and it is often just a mumble in the crowd.

Since someone mentioned it, I really had a problem with the band playing Underdog last season.  I understand that many people were singing the alternate lyrics, substituting LeNeveu, etc., but it is rarely appropriate to call a top 10 team an underdog.  If Hey Baby needs to be dropped because Baby is no longer on the team (waaaah), then Underdog has to go until Underhill's son plays for Cornell.

If the issue is crowd participation, I would suggest that more people sing along with Hey Baby than Underdog (whichever lyrics they choose to use).   In addition, the Underdog/LeNeveu song would never keep going when the band stops playing.

Since I'm on a roll, and this post is already way too long, I'll just mention that I really enjoy it when the band plays the theme from the Muppet Show.  And there is a certain resemblance between Hornby and Animal....



Post Edited (04-26-03 12:32)

[Mike Steinfeld]

re: band music... explained!

Before reading further, try to think how many new songs/cheers you think you heard the band play this semester...

Now then, the retention of the band with music is about as low as the retention of Lynah with new cheers. That being said, the following were new songs that the band played at a rehearsal this semester:
Cum on Feel the Noize
Cleveland Rocks
Back in Black
A Little Less Conversation
Cruel Summer
Let it Whip
The Time Warp

And the following were new cheers played in rehearsal:
Aaron Sommers' Theme (dunno real title, that's what RPI calls it though, predates any idiot named after a stupid movie)
Living on a Prayer
We're Not Going to Take It
The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down
Phantom of the Opera Overture
'Everybody Dance Now' (sorry, so far below my musical radar as to not care what the actual name is)

The last 3 cheers were never played at a game, nor would I count on hearing Little Less Conversation or Cleveland Rocks in the future, but I doubt many non-band people could name the rest, and let's just say that this was an extremely promiscuous semester for music, with the standard numbers being much lower. Compare it to the list of all the new pepband music of the last four years in approximate chronological order.  

Side Note: 2 conductors elected each semester, each conductor gets a $50 budget for music (approx 1 song), plus there are student/alumni done arrangements (average is about 1 song or cheer sheet a semester).
* Means retired and cut from the folder.

Full Songs:
Karn Evil 9; 2nd Impression
Any Way You Want It
Money*
Sell Out*
Roundabout (Semi retired)
Rocking the Paradise (Semi retired)
Hazy Shade of Winter*
Love Shack*
Paradise City
Video Killed the Radio Star*
Wooly Bully*
What's my Age Again*

Just as an FYI: Roundabout and Rocking the Paradise never sound good, but won't die either, which is why they're rarely heard outside of rehearsal.

Cheers: (* meaning people would be shocked if they were called up)
Low Rider*
Watermelon Man*
Soul Bossa Nova
Oye Como Va*
We Got the Beat*
Macho Man
Twilight Zone
Shake Your Booty*
Funky Town* (semi retired)
Boss of Me

Sectional Cheers wax and wane with the skill/numbers of the section, as well as the relative incompetence of the conductor. A very strong bone section for the 1999-2002 era is most of the reason why Underbone got played basically all the time, and the loss of some strong players this year is more responsable for it not being played than Underhill graduating. Same goes for the trumpet things, like MacGuyver. If you have conductors who don't know a damn thing about hockey also, people get impatient and you start hearing the various sections play on their own a lot more as well, and there were definitely semesters (or even individual games) where that happened with err... regularity.

Nothing like being called to work Hot Truck at the last minute on a Saturday night to give you insomnia at 4:30.

[Mike Steinfeld]

And just for the record, the flute section are the only people in the band that enjoy playing the Muppet theme. If not for them whining in their high pitched voices whenever anybody tries to get rid of it, it'd have been gone years ago.

[jtwcornell91]

Did anything ever come of that arrangement of "Message to You Rudy" that someone worked out?

[SCoff]

I thought you guys did Battlestar Galactica.

[God]

People talking about the band on elynah make me sick. Especially when the bulk of them are idiots.


So for a relevant point. When people say trumpet cheers, they mean, performed by trumpets. Not some clique thing.

With trombones, the underdog song is a song that they like to play.

In both cases, songs are ultimately controlled by those people

[CUlater]

[Q]...but would you really want it to replace Swanee,... [/Q]

I would, but there should be room for both, since they are basically part of the same "theme" (tough-talking cheers interspersed into simple, childhood melodies).

Do you seriously think "Fight, Maim, Kill" would be hard to catch onto?  And the ending (with the sound of the entire rink shouting "Fight, Maim, Kill" echoing around) is a lot more impressive than "Swanee".

[Tub(a)]

CULater:

You should include the rest of the sentence in your quote so I don't look like I was holding Swanee up as the supreme infallible cheer that no one should ever speak of removing I did mention other cheers in that sentence. [q]but would you really want it to replace Swanee, Hey Bâby, or Leneveu/Underhill/Underbone?[/q]

I personally don't have a problem with the cheer, but it simply didn't impress the few times we played it this year. Half of the reaction was confusion, some didn't understand why we were playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb," and a small group of individuals actually did the cheer.
 
It also is a long cheer which is hard to fit in time-wise. Sure, Swanee goes over occasionally, but a couple of tubas are hardly as distracting or noisy  as 15 trumpets. With the 15 second faceoff rule in effect, fewer and fewer "long" cheers can be played. Unless the band suddenly starts liking it, or hundreds of fans flood the conductors' inboxes, it will likely not be played.

[Tub(a)]

[q]I thought you guys did Battlestar Galactica.[/q]

Yeah, we do, but I think "Mike" was just listing conductor introduced songs. **)

[q]In both cases, songs are ultimately controlled by those people[/q]

I didn't know that G-d fought for the Pep Band! Wouldn't G-d have an email though?  ::screwy::