Cornell lacrosse 2020

Started by billhoward, May 06, 2019, 03:58:11 PM

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Swampy

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Quote from: SwampyI know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.

Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job? [edit add:] Multiple reports earlier in the month said he's gone.

It's also notable that Syracuse is MIA in the all-star game.

Ken711

Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.

Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).

Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.

Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.

https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html

jeff '84

Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711

"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."

scoop85

Quote from: Ken711Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.

Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).

Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.

Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.

https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html

And I believe our own Chayse Ierlan was the #2 ranked goalie in the 2018 HS graduating class.

billhoward

Quote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.

billhoward

Quote from: Ken711Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.
Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).
Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.
Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.
https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html
Burkinshaw started two games, played in 11, had almost 200 minutes of playing time, mostly early (the season was 1200 minutes). Either the coaches saw him as close to eventual starter Alex Rode, they wanted to give him mop-up minutes, or maybe they feared he was unhappy already and they didn't want him jumping ship. Burkinshaw was a freshman, Rode a sophomore.

Swampy

Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.

CGS is a two-year college for incoming freshmen, after which they continue on in regular majors, including the most academically demanding, such as pre-med or engineering. It was started after WW II to help students attending under the G.I. Bill reacclimate to academic pursuits after being away from school for 5-10 years.

In recent years it's been used for students with good enough H.S. records to gain admission but some weakness that suggests a need for a different approach. This largely consists of a very structured curriculum of coordinated required courses covering subjects most other schools with liberal arts requirements require. The individual courses themselves are team-taught by CGS faculty and may be designed to combine multiple subjects (e.g. a writing-intensive course covering Western history with extra emphasis on the context & impacts of scientific discoveries taken in sync with another course on scientific concepts timed to cover them when the "history" course does.)

I'm actually a fan of this approach. It's not that different from what I had my first two years in Engineering at Cornell: a curriculum of coordinated required courses with only 1-2 electives. Obviously the subject matter is different, and the courses are interdisciplinary, but the structured approach and wholistic pedagogy is similar. My biggest criticism is that CGS has no math requirement.

I think the approach is far superior to what many schools do these days: have unstructured Gen. Ed. requirements often in a "University College." It's common to have incoming students choose 40 credit hours of courses from well over 10,000 hours of course offerings. Frequently these offerings are by departments competing to build their numbers by offering entertaining gut Gen-Ed courses for non-majors.

If we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.

Obviously this last point is difficult to judge. By channeling "weaker" students to CGS, BU clearly lowers the potential level of academic work, at least initially. But I've heard BU professors say that when students enter their majors in their junior year, the ones from CGS are often better prepared than than those who went into A&S straight out of high school. So there's some evidence CGS achieves its goal of raising students' academic capabilities.

Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a "factory of credentialing" and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.

billhoward

Quote from: SwampyIf we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.
CGS may well work as you've described, and not a bad idea. But: There may be some with lesser educational-attainment prospects. Say, student-athletes who fall into the academic cohort "dumb as a rock." BU does recruit in Massachusetts towns such as Marblehead.

(In fairness to BU, it's a far better school than 40 years ago. On many rankings it's a top-fifty US university. Credit to John Silber, BU's hot-headed president who alienated faculty and students, yet when he left in 1996 after 26 years at BU, it was markedly better. Silber is one of America's few college presidents who managed to unite the faculty as one.)

Roy 82

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.

.........

Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a "factory of credentialing" and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.

What we really need is to found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study. But where would we ever find that? :-D


upprdeck


scoop85

Quote from: upprdeckI just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured

Awful news

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: upprdeckI just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured

Awful news

That just sucks.

Swampy

Inside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool. For Cornell fans, the news is awful.

Quote from: Inside LacrosseYale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.

Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. ::scream::

scoop85

Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool. For Cornell fans, the news is awful.

Quote from: Inside LacrosseYale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.

Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. ::scream::

I think you're overstating this.  We have a good class coming in, with 3 Under Armour All Americans for the 1st time.