Clarkson at Cornell 11/18/17

Started by Beeeej, November 18, 2017, 10:06:04 AM

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BearLover

Quote from: SwampyI'd also add that Clarkson has played a tougher schedule. It has played six ranked teams, of which 4 continue to be ranked. Among non-ranked teams in the ECAC, its toughest opponent was Union, which is currently tied with us in second place.

We've played 3 ranked teams, but of these only Clarkson has a current record commensurate with its ranking. Among our non-ranked ECAC opponents, Princeton has the best record @ 3-3-1. If one excludes Cornell from the top 6 teams in the ECAC, Clarkson is the only one we've faced. The others we've faced are all in the bottom 6.

This is not necessarily to say we're overrated. But especially with a team as young as ours, a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge.
Yes, it is true that leading up to Clarkson we hadn't played anyone impressive and then we played Clarkson and got smoked. Dartmouth, St. Lawrence, and UAH are all having difficult seasons and against Q, Princeton, and Harvard shots were even and Cornell scored the winning goal with under 7:30 to go. Which is to say, our 7-0 start was probably as much the result of luck and an easy schedule as it was us being a good team.

Which isn't to say we aren't good, but you can't conclude that we're a tournament-caliber team from the first eight games.

Swampy

Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: SwampyI'd also add that Clarkson has played a tougher schedule. It has played six ranked teams, of which 4 continue to be ranked. Among non-ranked teams in the ECAC, its toughest opponent was Union, which is currently tied with us in second place.

We've played 3 ranked teams, but of these only Clarkson has a current record commensurate with its ranking. Among our non-ranked ECAC opponents, Princeton has the best record @ 3-3-1. If one excludes Cornell from the top 6 teams in the ECAC, Clarkson is the only one we've faced. The others we've faced are all in the bottom 6.

This is not necessarily to say we're overrated. But especially with a team as young as ours, a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge.
Yes, it is true that leading up to Clarkson we hadn't played anyone impressive and then we played Clarkson and got smoked. Dartmouth, St. Lawrence, and UAH are all having difficult seasons and against Q, Princeton, and Harvard shots were even and Cornell scored the winning goal with under 7:30 to go. Which is to say, our 7-0 start was probably as much the result of luck and an easy schedule as it was us being a good team.

Which isn't to say we aren't good, but you can't conclude that we're a tournament-caliber team from the first eight games.

Agreed. Additionally, my point was that we have to play tougher competition to get better as a team.

billhoward

BU is currently ranked 18. After Clarkson, we will drop to the 8-15 range (guessing), so it should be an even match and our chance for the first win ever against BU at the Garden.

redice

Frankly, I think we got outworked.   If we played as hard against Clarkson as we did against Harvard, the result would have been very similar....   A close game with a late goal deciding it...
"If a player won't go in the corners, he might as well take up checkers."

-Ned Harkness

Iceberg

Well with 4 more games (all winnable I think) to go, there's still a lot of play left before the Holiday break. It wouldn't surprise me to see Stewart in net on Tuesday and then have Galajda start against BU. It does seem that teams are getting the memo to shoot high on Galadja but it's early in the season and he's playing well as a freshmen in net.

upprdeck


Dafatone

I'll agree that Clarkson looked like the Yale teams of five-ish years ago. Fast, aggressive, and a great forecheck. That being said, I thought we played them fairly well. The first period was closer than 2-0 and we had a lot of pressure in the third. The second was pretty ugly.

We probably weren't running the table on the season. Good for the team to face some adversity. We'll see how the rest of the season develops. I hope Donaldson's okay.

redice

Quote from: upprdeckis stewart even dressing yet?

No!
"If a player won't go in the corners, he might as well take up checkers."

-Ned Harkness

andyw2100

Quote from: IcebergIt wouldn't surprise me to see Stewart in net on Tuesday and then have Galajda start against BU.

Quote from: upprdeckis stewart even dressing yet?

He wasn't dressed last night.

A-19

i don't know what you guys are talking about. we looked terrible saturday.  you're just not going to win a game when you take that many penalties, let up 2 power play goals, and don't ever score on your own power plays.  clarkson thoroughly outworked us, and kielly was barely tested, save for the beautiful breakaway shot (angello or fiegl?) in the 2nd that dinged off the post.  yes, the reffing was horrible.  absolute ghost calls.  two of those calls led to power plays that resulted in goals.  but we had no goals at all, and barely any quality shots.  our breakout was terrible we weren't able to sustain any pressure or consistent flow offensively.

btw maybe we should start all our games late, unannounced. the "townie" section was near-packed by faceoff, but the student sections didn't fill up until the second period

andyw2100

Quote from: A-19...save for the beautiful breakaway shot (angello or fiegl?) in the 2nd that dinged off the post.

That was Fiegl.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: A-19i don't know what you guys are talking about. we looked terrible saturday.  you're just not going to win a game when you take that many penalties, let up 2 power play goals, and don't ever score on your own power plays.  clarkson thoroughly outworked us, and kielly was barely tested, save for the beautiful breakaway shot (angello or fiegl?) in the 2nd that dinged off the post.  yes, the reffing was horrible.  absolute ghost calls.  two of those calls led to power plays that resulted in goals.  but we had no goals at all, and barely any quality shots.  our breakout was terrible we weren't able to sustain any pressure or consistent flow offensively.

btw maybe we should start all our games late, unannounced. the "townie" section was near-packed by faceoff, but the student sections didn't fill up until the second period

I think those 2 statements are sort of incompatible. The refs sucked, but blame our guys for too many penalties?
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A-19

the reffing was bad, but it wasn't what did us in. if you don't score goals, you don't win. it's not like the game was 4-3 and we can say, yeah, if those ghost penalties weren't called, we woulda won.  on top of the ghost calls, we took a bunch of correctly-called, needless penalties.