Cornell lacrosse 2018

[djk26]

Congratulations to Yale, your 2018 Ivy League men's lacrosse tournament champions.

SO happy to eat my words.  I am pleasantly surprised, and very impressed.  Congratulations to Cornell, good luck in the NCAA tournament.  Let's go Red!::cheer::

[CU77]

Committee random noise goes against Cornell.

[upprdeck]

i cant believe they admitted on TV they dont care about the eye test at all its all in some random numbers they use to slot teams, but they dont even use that consistently.

[mountainred]

i cant believe they admitted on TV they dont care about the eye test at all its all in some random numbers they use to slot teams, but they dont even use that consistently.

It's whatever they need to get to the result they wanted.  If the numbers had been flipped, we would have heard "Syracuse beat them head to head."  You have to think the NCAA looks at Putin's Russia as a role model.

(Yes, that was hyperbolic hyperbole).

[semsox]

Whatever. We're going to have to beat some good teams in the tournament. I'm not even sure Syracuse is a good team, so bring em' on

[Swampy]

I agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

[scoop85]

I agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

After my initial frustration, I started thinking in these same terms—we'll have a "no respect" chip on our shoulders that should counteract the SU "revenge game" storyline.  That being said the seeding rationale is nonsense.

[mike1960]

I agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

After my initial frustration, I started thinking in these same terms—we'll have a "no respect" chip on our shoulders that should counteract the SU "revenge game" storyline.  That being said the seeding rationale is nonsense.

I hope you folks are right. A Sunday night game in the cavern of the dome: I don't like it. Not at all.

[billhoward]

Busy day at Carrier Dome. Graduation runs 9am to noon Sunday. Good luck parking.

[Johnny 5]

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/CULax%20NCAA%20Selection%202018.jpg

Max Siebald and I are now having flashbacks.
If I have to park in Camillus, I'll be there.
(Not that my presence will have any effect on the outcome?)

In any event.....

::flipc::  SU (again)

"Let's Go Red!!"

::cheer::

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

Can we send Jason Kelce up there (in full Mummers regalia) to wind them up for the game?  ::popcorn::

[upprdeck]

no doubt it will be a better game not playing in the rain which is the forecast right now.. reality is its only a bit further if you dont live in town.

Still just NCAA being dumb.. I also imagine attendance is built in.. there will be a bigger crowd in the Dome.

[Scersk '97]

Robbed in the seeding. Carcaterra spelled it out: Conference tournament winner, higher RPI than Syracuse, and beat Syracuse head to head, but Syracuse gets the home game. Total nonsense.

Strength-of-Schedule has always been the most important factor in lacrosse. It's not how you play; it's who you play. (Unless that goes against the ACC, which it almost never does.) All that matters is finding a way to "reward" Maryland, Duke, Hopkins, Virginia, and Syracuse with the highest seeds possible.

Frankly, I'm amazed they didn't find a way to wedge North Carolina into the field.

[billhoward]

no doubt it will be a better game not playing in the rain which is the forecast right now.. reality is its only a bit further if you don't live in town. Still just NCAA being dumb. I also imagine attendance is built in.. there will be a bigger crowd in the Dome.

Q.E.D.

As for Cornell game location: Syracuse undergrads are gone. Graduation was in the morning and those still marooned in Syracuse are stuck having dinner with parents and great aunts.

[billhoward]

2018 D1 men's lacrosse seedings
1 Md - Canisius/Robbie Morris
2 Albany - Richmond
3 Yale - Umass
4 Duke - Villanova
5 Hopkins - Georgetown
6 Loyola - Virginia
7 ND - Denver
8 Syracuse - Cornell

Cornell's road to the final four goes through Syracuse, then the Maryland-Canisius/Robbie Morris winner at Annapolis the following weekend. As seven-seed (if Kessenich seeded the field), Cornell if it won the first game, would have played at Hofstra in the quarterfinals.


After Cornell blew out Yale, before the NCAA announced its magic, this was Quint Kessenich's bracket. He had Cornell as the 7-seed, at home, not the 9-seed, but still playing Syracuse. https://twitter.com/QKessenich/status/993201088663883781

Inside Lacrosse reaction to the seeding. There is much teeth gnashing over how the South got screwed as chronicled in 2018 NCAA Tournament Reaction: Snubs and Surprises

Loyola-Virginia Slated for Hofstra
Quint Kessenich's last projected bracket was nearly spot on, aside from three differences — 'Nova in over Rutgers/Ohio State, the play-in game participants and the Greyhound-Cavalier [Loyola-Virginia] rematch occurring as a six-seed, as opposed to a No. 8. That's surprising for this reason: if that matchup had been No. 8, the winner would've (presumably) played Maryland at the Navy Quarterfinal, which would've likely brought a huge crowd, even bigger than what the Terps are promised when they play the winner of Cornell-Syracuse (at least if you account for how much better that fanbase would've drawn at Hofstra, which the NCAA should because they keep the gate at both venues).
—T.F.

... some concern for Cornell playing at Syracuse ...

So Many Questions...
As excited as I am to see so many riveting match-ups, I have some many gripes with the bracket at first glance. Personally, of all the teams in the running for the last team in, Rutgers should have made it in. I know quality losses don't exist unless we label it 'RPI,' but this team beat eight-seed Syracuse, then lost twice to one-seed Maryland (once by a goal) and then lost a one-goal game to five-seed Johns Hopkins. Most times when I watched Rutgers, I saw an exciting team with potential to make a run. That's the definition of a wildcard and a team you want in the postseason. Of course, there are strong cases for Bucknell (great resume) and Ohio State (hot team) as well.

Then how is a 12-4 Ivy League champion Cornell team visiting a 8-6 Syracuse, especially when Cornell beat them by five goals in head-to-head competition?

How is Robert Morris in the play-in game? How is Hopkins the five-seed after winning the most competitive conference in lacrosse?
—DAN ABURN

NCAA lax chair explained to the Baltimore Sun why Cornell got dropped into the 9 seed. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/lacrosse-blog/bs-sp-john-hardt-qa-mens-lacrosse-20180506-story.html

Q: How did Syracuse get the No. 8 seed and a home game in the first round over Cornell, which defeated the Orange, 13-8, on April 10?
A: That is a great question because I think a lot of folks are going to point to Cornell's head-to-head victory earlier in the season over Syracuse, and I also think that both Syracuse and Cornell had very close RPIs with maybe Cornell being a spot or two ahead of them. But as we drilled down further, Syracuse was 3-1 against common opponents while Cornell was 2-2. Syracuse was undefeated in the [Atlantic Coast Conference] regular season, which made an impact when you look at the quality and that being the No. 1 RPI conference in the country. They had quality wins over Notre Dame, Duke and Virginia. And I also think that because it was so close, we ended up looking at bad losses, and in that regard, Cornell had two losses that were bad losses considered by the committee, and that was Colgate and Princeton whereas Syracuse's worst loss of the season was to Navy with an RPI of 17. So we took that all into consideration, and we gave the slight edge to Syracuse, and that's why they were awarded the [No.] 8 seed and are hosting Cornell in the [Carrier] Dome in that first round.