ECAC FANS

[waldenbe]

Yes I am the current Floozie (Social Chair) of the Clarkson Pep Band.  Yes I know about copywrite, and won't take any information off of the cheers page of the site without first asking the webmaster.  I originally posted this same request on the USCHO message board, you can go and look there yourselves.  The reason I also posted here is because one of your fans sent me an email saying that I should.  And since Cornell has one of the strongest followings in college hockey I was hoping that your fans would know about or have contacts to other team's fans.  I also posted on the Clarkson Hockey Roundtable asking for information.  I don't know of any other forums for ECAC teams, but if there are any others I'd be happy to know about it.

As far as keeping your cheers secret.  Going to Lynah for the past two seasons, as well as Lake Placid 2 years ago I can testify that there's a lot of people at Clarkson who already know about the majority of your cheers(And I look forward to going back to Lynah this weekend, its much more fun than some of the more docile rinks). I've been to every ECAC rink atleast once and the fact is that things don't stay original for long.  Pretty much every team has a variation of the most common cheers.  I don't mean to do any team injustice, I just thought it would be fun to celebrate the fans for each team because real fans are so intense.

To try to prove that this is legitimate and won't be used maliciously here's the progress page for the project: http://www.clarkson.edu/~waldenbe/tc341/progress.html . I wish I could list the assignment specifically, but the professor sucks and its buried in the middle of a web page somewhere.

Sorry for 'causing all the trouble, I didn't think this would create such a controversy.

-Brian Walden
waldenbe@clarkson.edu

[Greg Berge]

Oh for goodness sake, it isn't exactly the Manhattan Project.  I'm sure Clarkson has a lot more important things to worry about than the cheers of their third-biggest rival.  It's the equivalent of us launching a secret initiative to steal St. Lawrence's one cheer...

[Keith K]

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[Ben Doyle 03]

Well said;-)

[Josh '99]

KeithK '93 wrote:

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Seriously.

But why does the subject read "SLU cheers"?

[Jim Hyla]

Look, why don't we all support this guy. Anything that gets ECAC enthusiasm going is good. Let's all say go for it.

[jy3]

guys guys
i was the one who suggested him going here. he did post on USCHO first. i figured everyone could spread their wisdom.
and if u are worried about copyright, realize that it is on the web, anyone can grab anything about copyright. if he wanted to steal stuff he would be posting in another name so that he could get the link and then take and publish what he needs in another name!

[jeh25]

What a load of utter horseshit.  By your reasoning, if Age's leaves the keys in a Ducati in his driveway, I can ethically and legally take it because it is easy to do so?  Or put another way, if you fail to lock the front door to your apartment, can I boost your TV and cds because you failed to take adequate access control measures?

Just because something is freely available on the web or otherwise does not give others the right to purloin said property, be it physical or intellectual.

That having been said, I never meant to imply that the eLynah cheers page should be treated as some sort of state secret.  I think the matter may have been confused when JTW mistook my copyright concerns for some sort of security concern. Had I actually wanted to secure the page, I am clever enough not to rely on security through obscurity, and would have had apache reject accesses from clarkson.edu, slu.edu, yale.edu, etc.

-john

[Ben Doyle 03]

Down boy. . .

[JordanCS]

Actually John, if you leave your keys in your car, and it's RUNNING, and someone steals your car and kills someone with it, you ARE liable for that persons death.  Sort of the big legal version of the "attractive nuisance" clause.

[jtwcornell91]

John E Hayes '98 '00 wrote:

JTW mistook my copyright concerns for some sort of security concern.

Um, okay.  I just didn't see how not pointing out a page he could have found with two clicks was going to keep him from plagiarizing it.  What should keep him from plagiarizing anything is that it's wrong.  At any rate, what I imagine he has in mind is something like a scholarly paper which would summarize, compare and contrast, etc., all the ECAC cheers, with things like your cheers page used for information (you can't copyright the information, just the presentation) and likely referenced in some sort of bibliography.

But mostly I was looking for an excuse to use the little paranoid smiley guy.
 ::uhoh::
;-)

[jeh25]

Perhaps my post was a little over the top; I'd been banging my head against the tax code for hours and was a little hot under the collar.

(Random aside - I thought our taxes were gonna be lower this year; how did I go from getting a $1900 refund last year to owing $1200 this year. Grrr.)

Anyway, Brian said he would respect the copyright of others so I have no reason to suspect that he'll pull a Joe Biden on us. I'll try to wait patiently for his email before I ready the tar and feathers.

anywho,

-j


(Don't know who Joe Biden was? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/biden.htm)

[CUlater \'89]

If he merely copies the cheers, I don't think he has violated anyone's copyright protections...mostly because the cheers themselves are already in the public domain and unless Age created the cheers himself and properly copyrighted them, he (and this website) have no right of authorship to be protected.

If, on the other hand, he uses someone's posts or other "original" material that Age (or others) have provided here, well, then he has to address the copyright issues.

[jeh25]

a) I own the copyright on the cheers page - not Age.

b) copyright law was changed in 1989 such that all works are automatically copyrighted - you no longer need to register the work to get copyright protection.

c) compilations of quotes, etc are copyrightable.

d) even if c) were not true, the cheers page contains enough commentary such that is is not merely a list.

Sorry to be so pedantic; if I weren't a scientist, I'd probably be in constitutional law. I actually enjoy the esoteric house of cards that constitutes our legal system.

Here is more than you ever wanted to know on copyright. http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html

[CUlater \'89]

You're correct, of course, although I had thought that he was just planning on doing his own compilation of cheers from around the hockey world, and using your list as a resource.  The cheers themselves are not copyrightable by you, although your compilation certainly is.